The CULT that PREYS on Appalachian Trail Hikers 😬
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- The CULT that PREYS on Appalachian Trail Hikers 😬
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Me and my friend from the Army and I hiked the trail and was approached by three Hippie looking dudes who wanted to talk to us about their new utopian community, and we said we weren't interested. Then they said we needed to pay to continue to walk "their" part of the trail. We said our taxes that we pay every year goes to that. They, for some reason, started to get really stupid with us holding their hiking sticks in a threatening manner. We laughed and said you want those sticks shoved up your asses you should move. One of the more scruffy looking one took a step towards my friend, and we both pulled out our small pew pews, and they all three stopped and said guns aren't permitted on their trail. My friend said take them, please. They left us after that.
LOL nice
Just watched a short saying you don’t need a gun while hiking I love how badass you and your friend are
@@kvngbanks ey yo me too bud
You would be a fool for hiking unarmed
I love hard as army dudes that get one over dick heads
Make no mistake kids.
When the product is free, you're the product!!
Never heard it put that way but damn you hit the nail right on the head
*Laughs in open source*
@@uku4171 you’re still expected to do something with open source lmao, when Linus put out Linux like that his main goal was to have others develop it.
@@dylanb0404 no, not every user is expected to contribute.
Their best product, is the Yerba... their religious practices and adherence to, pass.
On the 3rd day hiking, my buddy and I came across a group of really nice people. Some were in their 50s/60s, others younger than us. We were just about out of Georgia at that point heading North. They were clearly hippies and seemed off. They invited every hiker to join in on free hot dogs, snacks, and beer. We hung out and even set up camp nerby, but they creeped us out a lot. They told us they drove from around Maine to Georgia and back to spend the entire hiking season every year supporting hikers. They kept talking about how they couldn't wait to get to know us on our journey. Some of them said they used to be hikers, but were now a part of the travelling cravan. We quietly left before dawn the next day.
A week or so later we went to restock on supplies in a nearby town. One of the hippies came into the general store we were in, recognized us, and told us they were a few miles ahead. Once she left, the man behind the counter told us to stay the hell away from that group. That most "trail angels" he sees are harmless, but that particular group was well known for preying on young hikers like us. He knew them all by name and said we weren't even the first this year he's had to warn. So when we got back to the trail, we decided to set up camp early hoping to end up further behind that group. Never ran into them again for the duration of our journey. Every other "trail angel" we ran into was a Godsend.
Interesting story. Never thought of this before tbh. What exactly did he mean by "prey upon young travellers" exactly? That could mean anything from trying to nonviolently Recruit people to join a cult or rob, murder, and eat them. Kind of a wide range of undesirable outcomes of varying degrees of seriousness.
@@Tyler_W Recruitment for sure. Probably to leach money, add more working hands, and/or rope us into their possible cultish ways. Can't really confirm the last one because we bailed on them pretty fast, but the first 2 options are incredibly likely.
I don't think they had anything planned as dark as murder or as direct as robbing us blind and leaving us for dead. Nothing about them screamed to us they were straight up evil. They just came across very disingenuous and made our Spidey senses tingle. And if the store clerk warned us to stay away from cannibals without telling us they were *cannibals* i'd haunt his store forever. With how they were so (too) open and inviting, we felt more like they wanted to keep us around as long as they could. My buddy brought up the culty feeling they gave off, but I felt more like they either wanted to make us feel so damn welcome that we'd volunteer to chip in on their travels, or they'd eventually manipulate us into feeling like we *had* to chip in.
Or the most boring and likely possibility that the clerk knew these vagabond drifters did a whole lot of drugs and didn't want us to end up doing the same.
Boo hoo
Silly geese
@@Tyler_WIt’s a large enough group of people, willing to take anyone in who will go along with their cult that it could be all of the above
You dodged a bullet there
My neighbor’s big brother ended up getting sucked into the 12 tribes and worked really hard farming for them for 11 years. They treated him like a second class person because they have white supremacist philosophy, and they were constantly manipulating and playing mind games on him. He wrote a book about his experience after escaping called “Better than a Turkish Prison”
Its worth reading.
Sounds fascinating so I'm going to purchase the book. Thank you for the suggestion.
Wow..what a trip...trap
He should tell his story on the cults to consciousness channel :) I don’t think they’ve cover the 13 tribes yet
Glad he got out. Gonna keep an eye open for that book.
Muh white supremacy, we are in the most dirty multi cultural country in the world. We've given the country away to foreigners. Yet people STILL talk about this made up bs. I WISH it were true
When you’re miles into the woods the laws can’t actually be enforced, it’s up to you to protect yourself.
Truth
@@michaelhearns6968 can you fight them to get the chli and drinks? I'm asking for a friend
@@darkclaws1234567891 If there's one thing I know about cults it's that consuming their food/drinks is rarely a good call.
@Michael Hearns sounds like a fair fight tho them children have lower center of gravity so it might be difficult but not hard
I'm glad I have a pink revolver this should be fun
As an Appalachian Trail hiker, we know about these jerks. They've been around a long time. Many hostels ask for donations only in order to avoid paying a business tax. If you're not charging, you're not in business.
I live in Chattanooga, and we have a Yellow Deli restaurant here, just off the campus of UTC. They serve deli sandwiches and their walls are COVERED with religious quotes. Years ago my sister-in-law got sucked in to their cult and was about to join the 12 tribes. She had sworn to give them all of her possessions, including her car (at the time was in her dad's name.) He went to the location she was living, and through threats of violence and legal actions, he left with her, her stuff and his car.
I don't condone violence, but in this case it worked.
Haha, I've eaten there! Used to live in Chatt. Good food, but I was careful not to engage in convo w them lol
We have one here in Ithaca NY as well.
@@msbeecee1you knowingly ate cult food?
@teonactalpizza haha yes I did... I didn't know that much abt them 😳 never went back
My daughter's best friend just moved there to start school. I will have to warn her.
There are several Yellow Delis in the NorthEast I grew up near one in NY. Some friends of my parents (a married couple without kids) would frequent the deli and got to know a teenage girl (15) who worked there. She always chatted them up and they became pretty close. These friends owned a business in town not too far from the deli. One day late at night they were closing up the shop and the teen girl appear frantically banging at their door practically begging them to take her in. They let her stay at their house and she explained that her older brother (over 18) had recently ran away from the cult and as punishment the leader of the chapter had ordered her parents to send her away to California so that she could be married to the leader of the cult as retribution for her brother leaving. She explained that her parents had agreed and explained to her what a great honor it would be to carry the children of the cult leader and this she fled in the night to save herself from becoming a sex slave. The cult ultimately pressed charges for kidnapping but the young girl testified against her parents and the cult that they regularly abused her, denied her any education and indoctrinated her for years. My friends beat the charges and ultimately adopted the girl. She said her parents had been homeless alcoholics prior to joining the cult and were lured in with what started as charity but ultimately became complete brain washing. All money was controlled by the chapter leaders and the group was forbidden from contacting outsiders beyond strictly overseen situations like at the delis. These people are pedophiles and master manipulators who try to take advantage of the less fortunate at their lowest to steal everything from them. Many people hike the AT at times of uncertainty in their lives and might fall prey to these vultures and many people in the cult have themselves been mislead into its clutches. Be very careful here.
holy fuck
@Big Chungus they call themselves the 12 tribes or something like that. They seem to worship the old testament, they celebrate yom kippur and call God Yahweh. They have a couple restaurants in Massachusetts. Common Ground in Hyannis and the Blue Blinds bakery in Plymouth. Their food is actually really delicious and made in house. its unfortunate that there might be child abuse. Awhile back the Plymouth commune has allegations of abuse of child labor made against them. Many ex members have since come out to claim they physically abuse children. That children are beaten regularly and mercilessly. They believe unruly children need to have their will broken. Children with ADHD and autism are wrapped tightly in sheets so that they cannot move throughout church services. Adult members are supposed to work non-stop at the commune owned construction company. The adult males bring their children along to have them work construction.
No joke I've been to one in a particular college town in NY. So creepy to know what's going on behind the scenes
@Big Chungus same one the video is mentioning. 12 tribes. They own a cafe called the yellow deli that they use as a front for recruitment and also funding. If they identify you as suggestive enough to join they'll make a go for it.
Can someone explain how these cults are allowed to exist while being known for weird shit like that? Like how tf has the fbi not raided every single one of these delis by now or captured the leaders? Shit maybe they are but Id like to know.
You can check out anytime you want,
But you can never leave.
They're living it up at the Hostel Appalachia 🎵🎶🎵
Welcome to the hostel yellow deli
Exactly! 🎵
@@WarPigstheHun 🤣😂 that fits and it's hilarious! thanks for the laugh
I was looking for this comment! Those lyrics began playing in my head as I listened to this...that & the Time Warp...
I used to work right next door to this place! My aunt, who is an old hippy with dreads down to her feet, used to let Appalachian trail hikers stay in the barn at her house on South Street in Bennington, Vermont. She lovingly called it "The Vortex." She never expected any kind of payment. The first night was always given and if they stayed longer, they were only asked to help out around the property whether that be yard work or cleaning.
She doesn't live there anymore- she bought an old school bus, painted murals all over it and now drives it around the country. But if this channel gets a lot of hikers, which I'm assuming it does, I'm sure there are a few that have been through The Vortex ❤
Is your Aunt's name Arla?
Is that a *Zardoz* reference?
@@angelamitchinson8439 YES!!! How'd I know someone would know her lol my mom was her sister
Oh, holy shit. I remember Arla. I also know Arlo (Guthrie). It tickled my brain. I believe I met her at Bread and Puppets up in Glover.
@@Treebeardicus This absolutely made my day, thank you for sharing ❤️😊
The 12 Tribes will try to get you to join their cult and work on their commune. This is a teaching lesson that not everyone who is friendly and giving is your friend.
It's a question of what they are gaining from giving you "free" food. For them to reach out to you first they have to have the better deal. For kind people the reward is fulfillment of a good deed done, but people are good at acting kind...
As a Vermont native and someone who goes outdoors a lot, also living just down the road from one of the groups farms they are incredibly, deeply unsettling people. I had one woman come into my work and give out pamphlets to all the employees and customers. I had to ask her to leave and she got beet red in the face that I was ‘denying her’ from spreading their word, and when we closed late at night and I was walking I noticed that she was sitting with a man in a truck across the street, watching me. I’ve seen and heard of some worse encounters, they are most certainly a cult.
carry weapons for your own safety please. I've dealt with religious nuts in my old hometown and it was basically a requirement to leave the house armed.
For me it’s quite the opposite in my interactions, in my small town out in North Carolina, the 12 tribe folks here usually stick to their own and when they do converse with us, they’re frighteningly friendly. One thing i’ve noticed is that at 5:00 am every morn they walk down the road and sorta disappear, I know they ain’t goin to church cause they ain’t got tools and building with them but the stranger thing is that there ain’t nothin being constructed out here out the moment. They are very strange and mysterious people indeed.
I mean Christians and Mormons do the same thing. If one gets to colonize they should all have that same opportunity to be equally as annoying just saying. I wish I could opt out of them all but nope people still try to force their views on me 🙄
Consider, the *Molotov cocktail*
12 tribes kidnap hippies at festivals. They invite you in for cookies and tea. The tea knocks you out and you wake up at one of their communities and are forced to work. It takes days before a window opens for you to escape. They prey on hippies because the vast majority won't report it to the police. I've been kidnapped twice. Still won't call the cops it's been almost 20 years and I've only called once.
They also "provide medical attention" at Phish shows. Stay away from them.
Oh I beat the SHIT out of like 3 of them at bakers dozen when I came back from the bathroom to find them accosting my girl at the time. Funny thing was the only person who needed medical attention at the end of the situation was them.
well if I run into them on the trail ill have the strap, and I wont ever be at a Phish show so... I think im ok lmao
You mean to stay away from Phish shows, right? 😂
@@ernestslocomb6501 I won't have to be told twice!
@@ernestslocomb6501my man spitting facts.
Remember kids, if something is free, then you are the product
Good advice
Everyone should be cautious but I don't think that blanket statement applies especially on the trail. I got countless numbers of "FREE" food and rides from train angels... and I doubt any one through hikes the Appalachian trail without "FREE" kindness from a few strangers.
Especially when religion’s involved.
They exists throughout the OZARK mountain trails too. Watch for random tent people .
Fun Fact: In 1955, at the age of 67,
Grandma Emma Gatewood was the first woman to hike the Appalachian trail. She told her family she was going for a walk and called them 3 months later from the AT.
Nice. Grandma gatewood was a true badass, unlike the FPS video game gun nuts in this post. G.G. was the real deal. She carried an army duffle over her shoulder, wore Keds (Velcro running shoes) and had a shower curtain for a tent. Hiked the AT multiple times. WITH NO FIREARMS. She's 10 times more hardcore than anyone on this post. Including myself. Much respect....
She must have kept herself in excellent physical condition her whole life. She is a great badass!
@cwd243 There's nothing wrong with defending yourself from nature or man with a gun. Just because one person was ok without one doesn't mean you don't need one. There's about a million homicide cases that all start with people hiking.... you also never know when a bear is going to just decide to fuck your day up.
@@chilli1695 "a million homicides?" Not. Even. Close. There's been 10 on the AT since 1974, zero on the PCT, and one on the CDT since it was finished. There's .8 deaths a year in all of the lower 48 related to bears, and a portion of those were deaths from captive bears. About 150-200 people die in national forests and parks every year. They are from Drowning, falls, and car wrecks, in that order. Does your pew-pew have a PFD built in it? Lol. If you don't EDC in your everyday life, you don't need one hiking in the lower 48. This isn't my anecdotal experience, these are facts put out by the USFS. Be scared if you want to, but say you are scared. There's much more in your neighborhood to be scared of than the woods. Not opinion, that's just facts...sorry...
She called them from the trail in '55 🤔
I fish in Alaska's Bristol Bay during the summer, and they have a site there to supply their deli. We've never had any actual bad stuff happen, but they're always trying to lure the crew in for tea. Oh, and their children NEVER smile. Ever. The adults are friendly and outgoing, but the kids have some serious "Children of the Corn" energy. Pretty spooky.
Duuuuude last year we had greenhorns have dinner with them every Saturday. I went to the store to see what the deal was and felt an overwhelming need to ask if everyone was okay but they wouldn’t let me talk to the woman alone. Super sad, they make me wanna John wick it up they’re sketch people
Bro where in the bay I fish in Naknek
@@Jar2114 Yoooooo Egegik!
Their....
Yeah pretty common in religious cults where at least some of the adults are having sexual encounters with kids. That would be a good reason not to smile
I stayed with them for a week. I think when you actually go to live with them you sign away your assets to them if you have any. You’re supposed to do everything for the good of the tribe. These guys go way back. They used to prey on people tripping on acid at Grateful Dead shows, take them on their bus, and take them away to live in one of their “communities”.
That doesn't make sense acid trips don't last forever
Truth.
@@rafaelnavarro5522that’s funny.
I’ve hiked the Appalachian trail (Va) on many occasions. The essential list:
-Rope or something similar
-Mylar emergency blanket
-Flashlight(extra batteries)
-Zippo Lighter
-Life straw
- bag of raisin and a small jar of peanut butter
- cell or satellite phone
And a must is a firearm with ammunition (454 Casul is my preference )
Safe hiking everyone and it’s always good to hike with at least 4 companions to cover every angle .
I think you should stress heavily the satellite phone. I've heard of phones not working in many areas of the woods. Your would have way better luck with that versus a cell phone.
Don't drink the green drink. There's a yellow deli near me. As soon as you walk in you can tell something is way off. The staff act like they will be beaten if they talk out of line. Real creepy vibe.
Why not drink the green drink?
Freaks
@@OP5redsolocup I wanna know too
Nothing in the drink, I drank it. Just their local brew of tea. Didn’t have a problem when I stayed there in 2017.
Tried the green drink, it was pretty tasty, just plain old matcha. However, what was not tasty, was the vibes while I waited for my drink.
I like how at the start of the video he confidently identifies them as a cult. At the end of the video he’s like “maybe there’s something going on here? Maybe?” It’s like bro. Pick a lane
Sorry No, they are a real thing
@@galaxybabyz6592 No shit Sherlock. You missed the point of the comment.
@@austrotten8952 but they are a cult
No they're a cult. We have a yellow deli in town and everyone knows it
@@galaxybabyz6592 🤦♂️
Why the hell hasn't the Justice Department shut them down?? They might be the ones murdering hikers!
I was literally thinking the same thing! Missing 411 shit
Lol..."justice department"...
There's a Yellow Deli down the road from where I live (Vista, CA). Its actually a really unique place with a tavern style architecture that's very homey and I'd recommend going otherwise. The problem is the employees/family are dead inside, and you can tell there is definitely something off. We thought it was family owned because they all dressed Amish but they had unusual social cues. They have a farm here too called Morningstar Ranch where they supposedly get their food from. If you're unfamiliar, it's best to avoid people who name things "Morningstar".
Really quite absurd people. Wasn't surprised to find out it's a cult.
Yes can you tell us a little bit more about how their social cues were off .. if you can just tell us anything more about what you noticed .
I like the yellow deli in vista! Actually LOVE the food! The people were always super friendly to me. I am a frequent flyer...
@@onadifferentwalk7901same. Delicious food and teas!
Ya yellow deli Vista I love the place it has really great food and beautiful building!! Just way to eager to let people come join and live with them... I almost went but moved. I wanna hear more now
Morning star as of the vegan product? And there is something about that name in the Bible which I don't remember which verse but I remember it is in the Bible. I have to look it back up. I'm trying to remember if Morning starches a good or bad thing. It's only mentioned once.
Every city that they’re in, they set up in specific locations, near vulnerable populations. Usually near universities. It’s always intentional. I can confirm, my fam used to rescue people from 12 tribes.
That's so interesting, how would you go about rescuing them?
@@Frank-jr1ly I don’t know how my parents First got connected with them.. I know they knew someone who was in. A few of them lived with us for a while, while my parents helped them get on social assistance and get a place of their own, etc. (Looong story, but we were in a cult too, but of course we were in a good one 🙄)
@@Shalomjoyyywhat do they need rescue from
@@jules1728 are you new to the topic of cults? Genuine question. Like every cult, they control every aspect of their members lives. Members are not permitted to leave, and even if they did, they’ve been so isolated from community that they don’t have anywhere to turn to get on their feet. Also, 12T is specifically known for abuse, physical and s*xual.
@@Shalomjoyyy yes i am. The only other cult I knew of Manson and I believe it was over
They have a Yellow Deli in Vista California and they prey on the Van life kids who live by the beach. Also please do not support their products or services they provide. The people that work at the Yellow Deli do not get paid.
Spent 4.years there doing homework while in college, its actually super good food but definitely cult like vibe
Yellow delis are all tried to the 12 tribes cult (child beaters and molesters)
Still out of line .
I wonder what's in those cold cuts as well... 🤔
@@Marina_Marauder they are vegan its weird
It’s illegal to charge a trail fee, so if any hostel tries to charge or tax you to use the trail you call the police on them
". . . you call the police . . .
Reminds me of Jack Nickelson in The Last Detail.
" You're gonna call the Shore Patrol ?"
"I AM the M/F Shore Patrol !"
Yes cause they'll have a squad car up in the mountains in 5min lol gtfo you're on your own on those trails
FTP
Yeah they'll send the helicopters and ATVs up there. It'll be a few hours til they arrive but justice never rests!
Staying on private property is not a trail is fee?
The Yellow Deli isn’t just in Appalachia, they have destinations/restaurants all over the country. There’s a couple in California and I know a lot of them tend to be near college campuses and tourist destinations
Never heard of this. Thank you for the story. Would be interesting to look at their books.
Yes, there’s a Yellow Deli near the University of Colorado campus in Boulder. ‘Nice’ staff, but a weird vibe….
This actually makes a ton of sense. We are staying at a campground on the pacific crest trail(just outside LA), we have helped a few people(mainly because I have kids & I always think what would I want if those were MY kids in that situation...plus we spent a decade in TX & thats just what you do)
All are grateful, some start off suspicious....makes more sense now.
Stay. A. Way! A couple of us went to the Chattanooga hive and saw it first hand. Right away, they tried separating the husband's from the wives, and the whole group had a wolf pack vibe.
@Bill H call whatever you want, idc. We were at their home and restaurant for an overnight visit and once we got back to their house we loaded up and came back home. Like I said, STAY AWAY!
@@Backflipspagetti Well why in the hell would you go to their home and hang out with them to start with? That's like playing with fire then being all dramatic when you get burnt.
@Bill H really? At the time we didn't know much about them , so we went to learn more. Wolves in sheep's clothing and we didn't get burnt.
@@Backflipspagetti So you did it for TH-cam content?
@Bill H I don't create content.
“Cult that prays on hikers”
“Oh that’s nice”
“Preys”
“Oh “
5.1k likes, that’s dumb
😂😂
This one got me
@Steinhawk way to lighten the mood 💀
@Steinhawk they aren't talking to God
@Steinhawk oh that was humor? they have tutorials for that if u need help
When I was in college, one of my professors joined the 12 tribes. Got himself fired when he started handing out pamphlets in class.
That’s really weird
And creepy
Poor guy 😢
It would be great to see a Netflix documentary about this, or even better yet, a horror film about it 😂
A TH-camr, RecklessBen has covered this massively and infiltrated them, I highly recommend his videos on the Yellow Deli
So people know, that isn't their only location, another is in Valley Center, CA. They ask you to sign over all of your assets, it is how they make money. FBI and cops won't do anything because I'm sure they get a kick back. Reckless Ben's recent video pretty much proves this point as the cops admit they have a working relation. Thank you for raising awareness about these domestic terrorists who use child and slave labor.
Meanwhile everyone in the comments “they’re so nice🥸”
We have one in BC
@@giga_chad9 they are really nice.. everyone signs over their goods... but not everyone has goods... some people give up their land and money others just come with the clothes on their backs...
@@octavia4324 yup that's the group I stayed with many times... love them
@@sebastianellis6110 you love a group of people that do horrific child abuse?
They target college students a TON. They have a Yellow Deli on campus at UTC (Chattanooga). I went to school there. The yellow deli was always a place we all went, it felt very homey and the folks seemed very friendly. It was a welcome reprieve for students feeling homesick, wanting a warm “home cooked” meal. They had lots of different teas and stuff too. Tbh the food was really good. Too bad they’re a horrible sex cult 😳
Didn’t learn about the truth until many years after college. There were always rumors that it was run by a cult, but most of us I think assumed people were being dramatic- the folks running the deli seemed more like Mennonite or something of that nature.
Wtf 😅😅😅 thanks for the warning
I live in Chattanooga and my brother does too and he's an avid hiker in recent years. I will warn him about the Yellow Deli, hoping he already knew and has steered clear.
They set one up in hiddenite NC. Built a million dollar log cabin restaurant. And have become super cozy with the small town city leaders
@@bobbyhill1013 the rabbit hole is so deep 😅
I live about 45 minutes from Chattanooga and my cousin told me about him and his wife going in there and they offered them jobs and he was like what’s the pay and they told him that he’d make a little but his wife wasn’t allowed to make money lmfao
Once you're in, if you try to leave the 12 tribes, they'll send you to another part of the world. It happened to my friend Abigail 😔
lol can they get me out of the USA ? im a felon with no passport , want to leave USA all i go to do is join this cult?
My friend got kicked out, and he ran. He ended up buying a farmstead in MO.
If you get the chance you should try to explain to everybody more of her story as it sounds like something that needs to be heard
@gardensofthegods I would love to! It happened in Manitou Springs, CO sometime around 2010. I'm pretty sure she was born in the 12 tribes but I'm not exactly sure. She was rebellious and a wild child and so were my group of friends. Sometimes she'd sneak away and smoke weed with us haha. But overall she was a very good girl. Very kind hearted and we loved her! One day she started to become distant with us because her people were probably telling her that we were agents of evil or something and we just kind of accepted that she has to do her own thing. We'd still visit her at the Mate Factor but it was awkward. Sometimes we'd still get a giggle out of her though. She was so sweet. They had Saturdays off completely so sometimes we could hang out without her sneaking away. Well the last thing this cult wants is for you to have enough connections and support to leave. So in the blink of an eye she was gone. They told us she was studying the Bible and permanently living in Australia now. Just like that 🫰none of us have ever seen her again. I still think about Abigail sometimes and I just hope she's happy and okay. Anyone in Australia 🇦🇺 lmk if you know someone about 27 yo in the 12 tribes named Abigail! 💞
@@emilyholway9892 I hope she's ok
My boy scout group stayed at a yellow deli at one point, originally we were going to stay for two nights but those delivery guys just gave us all bad vibes. No matter how nice it just felt off. Only a few of us could sleep that night, because of that feeling. So when we finished the 1st half of our trip and found that the deli was the only place available for us at the new location our leaders ended it a day early and had their wives and other church members pick us up, we were about an 8 hour drive from home. I'll never forget that creepy feeling those deli guys gave me though.
@Chet Senior The majority of that kind of shit in the scouts was scout to scout. The minority was adult to youth. And fuck you, that man practically raised me when my parent refused to.
Where do you think they get their meat from to produce their signature smoked deli ham?
How many people vanish on the trail each year?
Thank God that vibe was all he gave you!
@chetsenior7253that's an ignorant and biased thing to say. By that same logic, you should be cautious and discerning about literally anyone in any position of authority over kids (as you rightly should be). There are bad and predatory troop leaders because there are bad and nefarious individuals who try to infiltrate any position of authority that might give them greater access to their potential victims. There's nothing inherently suspicious about men being troop leaders.
@@stevenwyatt5239wait, so you think those hippies cultists are feeding hikers long pig? I'm not saying you're wrong (honestly, very little surprises me anymore), but do you have any direct evidence or credible basis for suspicion of this? Truth be told, there are probably a lot of things that could cause people to go missing deep in the woods. National parks and remote hiking trails are gorgeous and amazing, but as far as I'm concerned, people should be more serious about their personal protection and should always keep their head on a swivel. You never know who or what might be around the bend that you don't want to meet...
My best friend grew up in this cult-hearing the reality within it and the effect it has had is harrowing and I can’t believe it still exists
What was his experience?
'Most hostels suggest a donation, they're different - they suggest a donation'
Alright
The Yellow Deli has a restaurant in San Diego county, and is exactly the same as this. They target people who are vulnerable to cult practices.
The Yellow Deli has a restaurant in Chattanooga, TN. I haven't been, but I've heard the food is delicious. I've also been told to not go alone because they try really hard to convert you if you are.
Their food isn’t that good imo. I got a sandwich there and it was weirdly soggy
I haven’t been, but yeah the whole 12 tribes/yellow deli thing was founded in Chatt back in the 70’s
Yeah, their 'Long Pig' Dawg is to die for.....
They also prey on hippies at jam band concerts. They have for years. They look for people who are high on psychedelics or lost and take them in and people literally never see them again. They have huge buses and go on tour with Phish, WSP, Dead related bands etc. They are not good people and I recommend people stay far away from them.
why aren't they good? What have you heard? It seems they have more members than scientology so they might be doing something right. Some people crave structure. I doubt they trap people and throw them in 'the hole' like scientology does.
@@tribalismblindsthembutnoty124 Sounds like you know more than everyone and you’re so smart. Why don’t you join up with them and let everyone know what great people they are and how they’re so much nicer than scientologists? I’d love to hear your account of just how great it is.
@@DingleMcGilacutty just asking what you heard. You don't have to get nasty. WHO went missing and was never heard from again? What does this group call itself? Where are they located? If you know something, please give the deets. This is important. Someone might be missing. I live about 30 mins from the appalachian trail. I could find this missing person. Or are you only repeating what you heard? If so, what is your source?
@@tribalismblindsthembutnoty124 they have a compound in Vermont. They have one in Savannah and one in colorado outside of Boulder. They’re called the 12 tribes. Like i said, they’re at most every major hippy concert with a huge bus looking for people high on psychedelics to join them. Those people are often not heard from again. It’s also fairly common knowledge they hike the AT looking for people of the same ideological beliefs as your run of the mill college hippies. They’re are numerous discussions about them on the internet. And i have seen them at shows. They’re very nice at first. Jesse Jarnow discussed them in his book “Heads”. They’re a pretty well known cult. And if you don’t want people to respond to you like that, maybe don’t insinuate that my response is based on tribalism. I have seen them first hand and they’ve been traveling around since the late 70s/early 80s following the dead and phish etc.
@@DingleMcGilacutty ok. Sounds like hippies. Who is missing?
If you go to the Yellow Deli and don’t feel a strange vide your not very emotionally aware. The place is strange, food is good.
Honestly after everything that I have read and I do believe people are telling the truth , I would not want to contribute to the success of that place and therefore , no matter how good their food or coffee is I would not financially support it .
@@gardensofthegods Agreed, never again.
Now I'm gonna start carrying on hikes. Not just because of dangerous wildlife, because of these people.
If you have the ability to carry and you don't you're being foolish. I even do sports with a gun on 🤣🤣🤣
They tried getting me to join for free food. I used to clean their pool on one of their compounds. The kids always looked so sad.
That's horrible, being raised in a cult.
Yes they used to do that to my son
Anytime you meet a stranger out on a trail, you should instantly be very wary and be ready to defend yourself. Too many crazies out there and you can't take the risk of not being well armed.
Bro stay home. You sound crazy. If you don't feel safe on the trail stay home.
@@benjaminroy6479 you are never "safe". And if you're out on the trail thinking everyone else is out there to sing kumbaya with you, then you are delusional.
@@benjaminroy6479 lol I hope this is ur real name so I can watch for it in the news it won't be long hahaha nothing safe about this world anymore
@@billhollendale795 Your utopian delusions aren't worth anything at all. Waste your time elsewhere.
@@benjaminroy6479 uneducated and unprepared
They didn't charge me any money but instead insisted on milking 11 teaspoons of man gravy out of me while being held down by people reading Ben and Jerry's ice cream ingredient labels.. wasn't sure at first but I have been going back every year for as long as I can remember..
"Beware the man who calls the mountains, woods, and waters home, woefully often they've a heart of coal"
-some old man i went to church with a long time ago.
I'd trust them before I'd trust any city person
@@chrism4008 I think the old guy was just telling me to be wary of who I trust, from what I remember he was hella paranoid. But hey I've heeded that advice and I haven't been prey to a cult or murder yet so I'd say it works.
They have branch in my home town (Pulaski, TN). They get in trouble from time to time for violating child labor laws. Also, it’s common for members to go without food if they’ve upset the group.
You never even explained what the cult does or how it manages to get the people to join
Well the man and the woman who run the cult are basically your typical Christian cult leaders, and they draw in people and basically enslave them. They're extraordinary wealthy, and they rule their slaves with an iron fist.
He didn't bother to ask.
They're not bad people.
Just odd.
Idk what they do after you join but they were asking me "what I wanted most out of this life" etc and then telling me how and where they can provide that, and as I said in a comment elsewhere, everyone of the people that talked to me was like a perfect specimen of a human. Seemed like they were using very attractive women as a lure. Maybe that is just my imagination, I had been alone on the trail for months at that point and might have thought a lamp was beautiful..
Edit.. just to add it here again, I didn't witness anything really weird during my short time there
My understanding is they use the standard method. They are just very friendly.
@@joeladams2540 you can’t say “they” aren’t bad or that “they” aren’t good. Because the reality it good people join cults; some people get what they need out of life from them.
And bad people join cults, and do bad shit.
There are bad people in 12 tribes and good ones. Why does everyone in this country try to do with grouping theme in every aspect of American life. Very weird
Honestly man these people were nice to me on my thru hike. I just stayed for one night and they were kind and respectful. Just don’t drink the macha lol
what's going on with their matcha?
@@its-beady-eyes5120it’s probably dosed lol
Thats literally how they all get you
that’s why i NEVER hit the trail without my handgun or any type of personal protection.. i’ll always sacrifice weight for security and peace-of-mind. Also i strongly believe in the saying “it’s wiser to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.”
You forgot to mention the fact that alot of the hikers are kind of lost souls looking for something but are not quite sure what it is they are searching for. Prime fodder for these groups.
This is why you carry a "walking stick" with you.
It’s why you carry a gun and don’t go alone. Maybe I don’t get the metaphor; it’s late and I’m tired. But seriously, don’t go anywhere you don’t know unarmed. A sidearm is the bare minimum
Never walk away from home
ahead of your axe or sword.
You can't feel s battle in your bones
or foresee a fight.
walking stick loaded with .45-70
VT has constitional carry. As long as youre not a prohibitated person your can carry both open and/or conealed without permit or notice pretty much everywhere except a few gun free places; airport, school, hospital etc
Or a force equalizer that distributes change in the form of 45 acp or 9 mm
"If it sounds too good to be true, it is." Always talk logically. If they don't want a payment, but expect your time, it's time to bounce.
Dude just called anybody doing extended travel homeless 🤣
As someone who lives close the this stretch of mountains but in another state I can say that anytime you go into the woods it’s a good rule of thumb to have a firearm or two. I will take a 9mm striker fire and depending on where I’m going possibly even an SBR in the backpack. One thing you do NOT want to experience is people out in the woods with nefarious intentions. Nobody is coming to help you and it’s best to have fire superiority😂
having two guns on you just for a walk in the woods is pretty ridiculous. I keep a gun on me when I'm backpacking or camping way out in the boonies but that's it.
@@John-sr2hr two is better than one
@John-sr2hr you know, there's a saying. Two is one and one is none
@@davidbrunner4413 That's why I carry five.
@@westrim you do you
If they don’t make money on the hostel, they are making it somewhere else. That sounds like a lot more than a cult to me.
Additionally, intense child abuse is a mandatory part of their doctrine.
They also target young college kids. They’ve started opening Yellow Delis near universities across the Tennessee Valley.
These people are why I seldom hike alone and when I do I have my dogs with me. They’re big enough and scarier enough to keep me out of trouble, plus my boy has the ability to see into a man’s soul on sight and give an accurate character assessment for me 😂 So yeah, doubt he’d like this bunch.
There just hippies trying to get rid of people's egos in there own way that's all any religion is. I bet there rational and compassionate people just like everyone else
@@dylaningram6896 someone doesn’t know reckless Ben 😂
and that's why you would lose to a fight instantly
@@dylaningram6896 No. You’re the type that would either fall into a cult, or are already in one. They’re manipulators and almost always child predators.
@snage-thesnakemage2672 I don't lmao after making this comment I was informed lol
Had a hippie group try to do this on a few trails out here I was on a trail scouting for deer season coming up I was stopped by two guys it first seemed like they just wanted to talk then they told me there's a fee for the trail I told them last I checked this is state maintained trail my taxes cover that the guy doing the talking got aggressive and the other looked like he was gonna try something so I painted them both with bear spray walked back to the parking lot and called the county sheriff department this went in for months with other hikers till forestry wild life officers started making arrests no issues since
I thought using bear spray on people was Illegal
Not if it’s in self defense. As a female that does a whole lot of camping by herself, I carry bear spray and guess what.. I’m sure as heck not carrying because of bears.
@@wendyhanberg8733 I hear ya!!
They aren't kidnapping just making them stay longer.
He showed a photo of Nimble Will Nomad!! Props to Nimble Will, a long distance hiker. Followed him when he hiked R66 in 2017.
Generally if you aren't paying customer you are the product
Except for Sikhs! Damn good food and beautifully GENUINELY friendly people.
SO SATT GÓÐI
Sounds more like strategic marketing and aggressive panhandling
They're trying to open a Yellow Deli on the coast of Oregon! So far the town has been VERY against it and has been doing the most to ensure it will NEVER open!
They have one in Winnipeg and they’re SUPER rude to healthcare workers and they have had a ton of their kids taken away by CPS
What?? Where in the 'peg?
🎉probably why they are rude
Winnipeg health care workers are actual cess of the earth.
Remember kiddos, carry a firearm wherever you go. Whether its man or nature, some things will prey on you. Pray you never use it, but stay trained and vigilant. It is your last resort, remember that and act accordingly
Good advice, but they aren't going around "preying" on anyone in any way a firearm helps with. They are persuading people to join them, nothing more. If you don't want to join, don't be persuaded.
Or just leave bat shit crazy America and avoid all other places paranoid Americans congregate.
I just want to say that, as a firearms owner and a supporter of the right to bear arms, it’s not reasonable to believe that a gun is the answer to every problem lol.
This is just a different version of “If you’re not paying, you’re the product”
My family was seduced by this cult. They are all out now, but the younger ones are still dealing with the fallout.
we have these Twelve Tribe weirdos here in Ithaca too. They made some good wraps when their restaurant was open but they are legit creepy.
Good food will always overrule red flags😂
@@bennettbush3906 That’s how they get you - the number of cults I’ve joined because of a good sandwich…
@@netto6681 Bro over here joining cults to get a good sandwich lol
@@johnhostetler2167 free food is quite enticing my dude
their food is really good but yeah they are weird
Thank you for spreading awareness of these nutjobs. The comments suggest they harangue and threaten people frequently. These cults revel in the shadows, and Public scrutiny will teach them to behave.
12 tribes fled Germany a couple of years ago. Here they'd face charges for child abuse and neglect and having all minors taken out of the cult and separated from them.
The leader tells parents that they have to "discipline" children daily, from young toddler age. Spanking, beating with willow sticks on bare legs and bottoms, locking them up in darkness, food deprivation, hard work.
So if you meet them... that's not a smile on their faces, it's showing fangs.
Yellow Deli in Chattanooga too. Incredibly creepy preying on college students at UT Chattanooga.
Reckless Ben has been doing some videos about the 12 Tribes and infiltrating them.
There is also a Yellow Deli in Chattanooga, TN and they prey on college students as they are VERY CLOSE to the campus.
I was just about to say this cuz I live in Chattanooga. Those people are fucking weirdos.
Yeah that's what I'm finding on Wikipedia rn
I live there and it is literally on campus, its on the edge of campus but it’s there. Personally I don’t care because they make a damn good sandwich.
@@connormartin1519I can't understand how university/college officials would not complain to City Council or frankly to the police given the nature of their tactics.
This must be added to the list of things to look out for when helping your child choose a university/college. That and a visit to the top say three on your list to be sure these l👀ns are nowhere to be found.
Another question, has this Cult ever been properly investigated? From what I've been reading it spears as though their members are being mistreated, suffering financial abuse and, this one is my belief, as in all cults members are genuanly afraid of what the consequences of leaving might be.
Do they have a "charitable status" or whatever they call it. (I'm thinking of Scientology here). Is the IRS keeping a close watch on them? I can't imagine they are reporting all of the money they have taken from their followers. This sounds likea dangerous Cult to me. 😒
What exactly do they do to them?
There's a yellow deli in Oneonta, NY.
If you live near there and haven't heard about these psychos... stay away
@Sarah G start off with, they will say or do anything to get you to join them. They believe in wife sharing, to the point where the women are just incubators. Passed around till a seed sets.
They are abusive, the men are stronghanded with women an children. Their goal is to have like 70,000 men to sacrifice on some given day to "save the world from itself"
They are a massive group of psychos.
My first interaction with them was in a diner in Cobleskill. Three dudes came in and sat down near us, started talking about their great Utopia community. Tried to sell me and another male friend on all you could have s*x, with any woman we wanted. We would only have to work and put in time at the yellow delis around the country, give all our money to the group and they'd take care of everything else we needed. Tried playing the "world's gonna end soon, the new world order was gonna collapse, we all need to band together" and all this other crazy shit.
It was later I met someone who left the cult and is scared to death of them, believes they're gonna get killed for leaving because they know too much.
Good food tho
You're just mad because you aren't as happy as they are. What a sad sorry existence you have.
I'm a foreigner so tell me about them.
I actually visited it when I was there, they were really kind
Had a co-worker who got stuck and stranded in of these places when his camper van broke down and he ended up getting help from this type of group and couldnt leave for months.
Twelve Tribes also has a division in Chattanooga where we also have a Yellow Deli. They were run out of town inthe 70s but somehow were able to re-establish themselves here around 10 or so years ago.
All I can add to this is, one time, long ago, in a jam with no place to go at the time living in Va., I found a 12 tribes website, which led me to a farm, construction business & coffee shop in the Shenandoah Valley run by them. I emailed them at first with my situation, my willingness & ability to work, and expressed it would only be temporary.
But then I got a phone call from some younger guy who said he ran that entire operation and just the way he said to me "Come on brother, what are you waiting on?" right after he asked me what sort of liquid assets I would bring with me and have access to. As soon as I ended that call I forgot all about the 12 tribes cult/extortion racket and their slave labor operations.
They kicked my friend out for not handing over his house and 401k. And not wanting to remarry. I think there was more, but he never said. They "let" him continue to work outside of the cult because of how much money we make, and he just went home to them and handed over his paycheck.
😳
Scary stuff out there, if it sounds to good to be true, it is. ❤
Knew a guy named Hawkeye that worked in the yellow deli in Oceanside, CA. One of my friends was trying to get info out of him about the women in the back that had bruises on them. My friend dragged me with him constantly to look into the shady ness he was concerned about.
I live in the SD area. I had no idea there was a yellow deli here. How long ago was this
Those were fist kisses from the dear leader
I skate with a kid who lives with a cult. He and his little brother are actually the nicest and most humble people I’ve ever met. He’s never once mentioned it or pushed it on me.
You are probably a safe haven for him, I wouldn't want to spoil my safe space either.
@@cooperhough7583 they all seem to be genuinely happy people. They run a bakery and I have recently found out they have the same exact restaurant mentioned.
So I worked with a guy who invited me to go to Killington to ski. (He lived in Rutland), so i went up to visit for a few days. He took me to that Deli. It was completely vegan, and I left still kinda hungry after a big sandwich. As we were leaving, we got into a conversation about boats and how they own one for the people in the group to go vacation on. The girl almost had a stroke when I told her the wood it was made out of is endangered now.
Anyway, I told him after we left that it was a cult. The tables are handmade and have "bible " quotes around the edges. I grew up wanting to be a missionary, so I knew my bible and knew they were slightly tweaked. He said oh no. That's because they use blah blah bible. Don't remember the name, I have never heard of it either.
A few months later, he comes to work with some guy in tow. Says he "drank the kool-aid" and joined the group. This guy stayed by his side for about 3 months. Like glued to his side. A few years on.... they kicked him out because he refused to hand over his 401k and house to them. Also, they had a problem with him not wanting to marry (he was twice married and divorced to the same woman)
It was absolutely crazy. He never wanted to sit down and discuss the bible with me, or pray together. Nothing. Very secretive abouts this "Christian" community
Where I live there is a restaurant operated by these guys in New York and when I was an intern I was in their town. Creepiest fuckers I ever met who don’t pay their employees and tried to convert some of us. The creepiest encounter with them was when three of us went there, the waitress seemed to be zonked out and when she came back in the end to ask if we wanted dessert, we said we were good, she then put her hands together leaned to the right and just said in the creepiest wispy voice, “contentness”. Needless to say we never went back
maybe she was tired, wanted to be polite, but thought that saying you're good isn't the same as content, because a fat fucker could be content on his gorging but truly not be good
Oneonta baby 🫡
I live in a town right outside the city where this hostel is! It's really common to pick up hitchhikers and drop them off at the yellow deli and the deli is located on the busiest street in the city. Most people recognize the employees as pretty weird but most don't seem to realize it's this super messed up cult.
The way you're talking doesn't sound like they're kidnapping, brainwashing or murdering people, so what exactly denotes them as a cult?
My S&W snubbie fits perfectly into a side pocket of my backpack.
Look up the Marshall Fire near Boulder Colorado.
It devastated several neighborhoods. Completely wiped them off the map.
It was started by the 12 Tribes on their property, where they were burning trash inside of a barn, for some crazy reason, during a high risk fire season.
If you don't pay with cash, you pay with something else. Usually you are the commodity.
A lot of people disappear forever on that trail. It’s never good to hike completely alone in any state parks because shady stuff happens and also if you fall or get a serious injury you could end up succumbing to the elements and dying.
No, no they don't. A very few amount of people disappear forever on long trails. Especially the AT. You are more likely to "disappear" in your hometown than on any trail. You've been watching too many missing 411 vids....
@@cwd243Many of the people who “disappear”, are also choosing to disappear
@@Hidden_Seeker_ damn Skippy. That's why we all have "trail names". We all want to "disappear" in that regard. Lawyers, bikers, the homeless, the college kid, they are all equal in the eyes of the trail gods....
@@cwd243 still its a good advice. Never hike alone always in groups of 4 because if one of you gets injured and cant get up one can stay with that person while the other 2 can go and look for help
@@lunaasonininongry6297 I hiked the entire Benton MacKaye Trail. 300 miles. Alone. Barely saw anyone. No problems. Doesn't matter how many or how few people are with you. This is what's important:
Let someone know where you are going, when you are coming back, and a hard date and time that authorities will be notified if you don't show.
Have a paper map of where you are going with a compass. A real one. I use a lensatic one Learn how to orient the map, find your bearing and shoot bearings. (Most people say they can do this, but don't actually know how to do it)
Carry at least one extra day food. Preferably two.
Other than duct tape, quick clot, ibuprofen, super glue, and epi pen, and a needle and thread a med kit is useless. If you've experienced trauma that severe such as a compound fracture, sucking chest wounds, stroke/cardiac arrest, severe lacerations or head trauma, a med kit won't help you. What's most important in that situation is how fast you can get to a hospital. Your hiking buddies still have to go for help if you are ambulatory or not. That takes time.
A PERSONAL LOCATION BEACON CAN SEND HELP TO YOU ANYWHERE IN JUST MINUTES. ALWAYS CARRY ONE, KNOW HOW TO USE IT, AND KEEP IT CHARGED.
I will hike alone in a heartbeat. I won't climb into the deer stand 40 feet from my house without my PLB ....
I've stopped in the deli before on my way to visit my family, and the vibe is sooooo weird, like you can feel that the employees aren't just employees, and if you try to talk to them one-on-one one the older male hosts will steer the conversation away
They also have another chapter that has infiltrated parts of San Diego California. Moved into some guys house way way back and found out that he was apart of that tribe and bounced fast. He shortly after our departure found out from another tenant that the sheriffs department raided his home and no one ever saw him again
I went there once long ago. It wasn’t a totally horrible experience. The thing that put me off and several others was when one dude started yelling at another dude for missing a volleyball hit during a fun match. The yelling was so intense that it shook us, since all of their behavior up to that point had been fairly genial.
Did you expect cultists, aka wolves in sheep's clothing, to reveal themselves immediately or after you sacrificed your soul? If youre that gullible you need to reevaluate all of your beliefs.
Luke 22
Here in Chattanooga,TN we have a Yellow deli. Theres always been rumors around about the people that work there being in a cult of some sort, and didn't believe it really until one day our waiter gave us a bunch of pamphlets and tried to invite us to hang out with them. This is like a local thing, funny to see it online
They're all over the country. Look up Reckless Ben. He's been infiltrating them.
Didn't someone commit suicide in cleveland tn with one of their menus in their pocket? Like hung themselves off the highway or something.
This cult actually originated in Chattanooga in 1972
@@benfinnegan6893 I haven't heard of that, but I do know they were investigated by the CUI for their cult activities and child abuse stuff that happens with their tribe. They have like a 400 page "child training manual". And also all of the people that work at these delis are members of the tribe and are unpaid.
@@l.w0lfcloud962 I didn't know that, I just remember hearing several years ago from my mom to be careful going their because she heard they were part of a cult lol. Never thought too deep about it until they talked to me about going to one of their farms in Vermont
Let’s put a timeline on this. Yellow Deli goes WAY back. When I was growing up in Dalton, just south of Chattanooga, we had a Yellow Deli. This was in the mid 1970’s! It was THE hangout for teens. Turkey & Swiss on an onion roll + a funky tea made us feel cool in that little old house with candlelit cubbies and old bourbon barrels as tables. Never had even the remotest clue they were a cult!! Teen memories completely upended!
How can they be preying on hikers when they can live for free by working for free?
“It takes all kinds of critters to make Farmer Vincent’s fritters.” -Motel Hell 😂
I FUCKING LOVE THAT MOVIE
Who doesn’t love Motel Hell?! Meats meat and man’s gotta eat!
Don’t forget about their cafe the Mate Factor in Manitou Springs. They like to follow Phish shows and other hippie shows and pick up people tripping too hard, because in their bus they use the altered state of mind their victim is in to brain wash them. Living in Manitou, it’s really sad to see the cultists you can tell were brain washed, they’re barely there. And I also feel very badly for the children, who walk to work at young ages while looking at the general public in bewilderment and longing.
‼️‼️‼️ I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS COMMENT there are a lot of hiking trails around manitou as well
Meanwhile, after looking at the Yellow deli yelp reviews in Boulder.
-Accusations of child labor and abuse.
-Accusations of bizarre sexism.
-Accusations of them starting the Marshal fire and burning down over 1000 structures.
However, the sandwiches are cheap so despite all that 5 stars.
O_O
Mate factor makes some bomb ass sandwiches tho 😂
God I couldn't imagine tripping nutsack at a show and ending up in some cultists trailer....
This. I've seen that bus at a bunch of festivals. I actually saw it at hulaween last year. I can't believe they are still allowed to be present at shows and festivals. I guess they have a right, but it's just creepy to know that some people go on their bus and never come back to the real world. It's weird vibes for sure. I heard not to eat their cookies or scones.
I'll never get that 45 seconds back.
My daughters father told me about this years ago. They frequently visit music festivals too
My friend had an awful time leaving this cult. Love bombing is how they get you in and make you comfortable but things change when you choose to stay. They certainly recruit in particular places like hiking trails, concerts and universities areas.