A veigar complaining about bs with a point click one shot, infinite scaling, and a disappointing circle of stun all while being one of the most infuriating character designs. Gotta love the irony
@@roeenili3140 or he could you know, switch lanes with Akali, ask Hecarim for a good gank (Hecarim is at fault too in this game for not coming to help mid). Also Crown could have helped Veigar. All in all he should be able to 1v1 apmf after some time anyway, or don't engage in a 1v1 with mf and go kill other champs
@@trixon2118 Under no circumstance should Veigar ever be able to 1v1 AP MF. The only way he can possibly take her on is if he lands the baby cage, and she's so fast she can virtually walk through the whole thing before it spawns.
I always prioritize Horizon Focus over Cosmic Drive for AP MF. The health and cdr are nice, but Horizon adds the extra oomph to your ult that the AP build lacks. You should also try the alternate AP MF build where you go Everfrost and Horizon to get guaranteed ults.
@@joshlawlor3409 I imagine he does! It was more a general comment expressing how op she is haha. Perhaps others on here hadn't thought of that hybrid build 🤷🏻♂️
as a veigar support main (ex veigar mid main) im actually tilted seeing this veigar not getting stacks fast enough, and btw veigar support works well with mf adc with make it rain and the cage
For anyone that wants to try this build I have somewhat optimized it over the course of like 20 games. Rush lyandris and lucidity boots (mpen boots are just not worth it imo) then go for nashors so ur autos and q deal some more dmg when they actually manage to get on top of u and then ur w is also not wasted. After that grudge because after that point ur r deals a ton of dmg from the ap and is honestly crucial for most teamfights. Grudge also slows which makes it really hard for them to get away. I honestly mostly finish or FF at this point in the game but I guess u can either go all in going rabadons and last item infinity edge for the highest dmg spike . I tried embrace multiple times but it honestly sucks.
Veiger: "Hi, I'm Veigar. I have an aoe stun that traps you, a point and click ultimate that executes and farming gives me free ap. Mf: hello Veigar. I'm an adc.
Ya but half of Vieger stuns were literally him trying to edge stun MF not entrap her... so not like he cared to set up for hec and hec clearly saw this
4:44 Tip on post kill push/farming: you focused the minions instead of the tower. If you had hit the tower and let their minions push fully out of the tower range, your wave would not half crash and your cannon would not die to the tower before it reaches the tower. Then you could be autoing the tower while your cannon takes agro and probably get a plate. I know this is nit picky but as a pro player I hope you appreciate this level of detail and see that it's just because I love ya Zwag, no homo.
you are very correct but it’s also the thought of denying veigar the farm but making it crash before he can get back which, although he might not get playing, creates a bigger gold difference
@@_rapids3238 You would be right if he and Viegar were even or if Zwag was behind in gold. But grabbing as much gold as early as possible to get to his first item power spike is more important in this context. Not that it really matters because he outramped so hard Viegar quit xD
viktor with aery, manaflow band, transcendence, scorch, shield bash, revitalize. Items are lich bane rush, with mythic alternator item, magic pen boots, didn’t get to finish the game it does massive damage and fun to play. Game ended at 16 minutes
This is like AP Tristana back in the day. People would just rage quit against me, there was nothing they could do and if they fell under 50% HP, they were immediately dead. The trade off was having no real presence in fights due to long cool-downs though.
I love burn mf. Thank you. I always wanted to see you play taric. Can he be played ap? Lethality? I see mostly bruiser tank or support. I have seen lightrocket build a kraken some times
slow doesnt really stack well this season, her e is 30% a second, rylais is 30% a second too but this isnt really 60%, its more 30%+ of that 30% slow, means 10% added, in total only 40% slow for a 3k gold item, thats just a waste, unfortunately.
@@kamilpaprocki790 the only thing he was right is the 30% slow on rylais and that it's not worth it to build if u already have a slow. everything else is wrong. the slow on her E scales from 40-60% and slows don't stack at all, only the highest one applies. so rylais would only work on q and ult but in a AP build u wouldn't really use ult without E anyway.
7:34 wondering why he didn't flash. His flash cd was like a second before yours and you still had 30 seconds on your flash when you ulted him. So it was still on CD.
Have an idea xD play the spawn comp and kill with spawns like belvet, yorick naferi, malhazar.... cant think of the last culd be anne or ivern😂for tribute for ze ze rod
viable under certain conditions (you're last pick, no assasins/mobility champs that would interact with you in lane) pretty much only do it vs mages/tanks
why do you never get a zed or a talon mid ? When i try any new champs in mid I always get a zed or talon who deal 80% of my hp as damage at lvl 3 with electrocute.
Exactly. Instead of just trying to frustrate the opponent, giving constructive criticism would be way better. I would much rather hear @Zwag saying what to do to counter his own strategy instead. What we need is for players to improve and get along. Not pick on each other and get even more annoyed at a game that is prone to that...
E and both burns do magic damage though, which is the majority of what he's casting. He planned on getting a Cleaver (Serylda's would have worked too) if the game got to that point. Besides, between Liandries and Cosmic, ability haste wasn't an issue.
Can anyone confirm whether this build is viable for the same rank like if you're in gold against gold opponents? Also would dark harvest be viable instead of comet?
yeah It's pretty good, but you shouldn't really play it against assassins, in my opinion.. And dark harvest works too! You can get it super easy, but comet is nice for that early poke
I think maybe building Serylda's instead of cleaver would be better cuz u still get the armor pen, the haste and on top of that ur E gets a gigantic slow. Then again cleaver's armor shred also allows ur team to make use of it so both come with their advantages ig
Been doing this since last season, since I barely play league, I defaulted to this easy, oppressive play style with MF. Incredibly easy to play. I usually go: Liandry, rylai’s, horizon, etc. Slowing them with the rylai’s is actually very effective for increasing dmg with the E. I started off with demonic 2nd way back when but just like rylai’s more.
slow doesn't stack like Void already said, so Rylai is trash. Liandry > Horizon > Embrace > Void Staff > Rabadon. Possible items are Seraph's Embrace/Fimbulwinter and Morellonomicon.
i didn't really play league on pc but i have some time to play wild rift on my phone and these fun builds are good to mess with some people who think yasuo, zed, ezreal OP
Dude what is the music at 12 😂😂 i remember this song but i dont know what is it 😂 nice video love mf never see her ap but wow it works 💪🏻 is that really at 16:30 deku palace from majoras mask i like you you become follower 👍
Comment for the algorithm Do full movement speed Irelia with bork, stride, phantom dancer, and black cleaver. Also use sudden impact in your runes. Trust, my good sir
A veigar complaining about bs with a point click one shot, infinite scaling, and a disappointing circle of stun all while being one of the most infuriating character designs. Gotta love the irony
i tried khazix agasint old op riven top lane.. she complained too it was good (back when riven had a 3 second shield and was just really good)
All veigar players deserve all the shit flame and cheese they get
Its skill gap whats the fun in bullying bronze?
@@roeenili3140 or he could you know, switch lanes with Akali, ask Hecarim for a good gank (Hecarim is at fault too in this game for not coming to help mid). Also Crown could have helped Veigar. All in all he should be able to 1v1 apmf after some time anyway, or don't engage in a 1v1 with mf and go kill other champs
@@trixon2118 Under no circumstance should Veigar ever be able to 1v1 AP MF. The only way he can possibly take her on is if he lands the baby cage, and she's so fast she can virtually walk through the whole thing before it spawns.
"This is like the third game in a row somebody quits on me."
AP Miss Fortune is too stronk. Thanks for the video, Zwag.
“Did Zwag get the first 6 CS?”
Yes, he got all 6!
Win Streak: 1
I can't beat you here if you are here exactly when the vid drops, my dude. Nevertheless, I am impressed.
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I always prioritize Horizon Focus over Cosmic Drive for AP MF. The health and cdr are nice, but Horizon adds the extra oomph to your ult that the AP build lacks. You should also try the alternate AP MF build where you go Everfrost and Horizon to get guaranteed ults.
Or u should just go ad for 10x the dmg
@@maltezz not subbed to zwag are ya lol. What is "meta"?
But building to make your ult a big part of your focus defeats the purpose of going AP in the first place since it does physical damage.
The problem with horzion is that it only activates of ur e. And without passive the items gold efficiency is arse
I usually take this build top to annoy the shit out of whoever I lane against so I need to try that thank you
10:38 made me laugh "My cannon" *zooms in*
Liandrys + Collector on MF is really good too, the burn executes when you get them low enough
yea getting this early makes the E ult combo so deadly
I can almost assure you that he is aware that collector works with Landry's and Demonic.
@@joshlawlor3409 I imagine he does! It was more a general comment expressing how op she is haha. Perhaps others on here hadn't thought of that hybrid build 🤷🏻♂️
You’re gross and I love your thinking lol
How can one man be so calculated, but miss so many minions 🤣
@4:41 you really missed a great pun “it would be a real…MISFORTUNE…if he ganked “
Yeah its really misfortunate he did
Is it a pun if you just use the character's name as the pun it was intended to be ?
Isn't that another TH-cam leaguer's thing tho?
@@pkphantom it’s every league youtubers thing
Fun fact: Zwag takes flash but never uses it just to give his opponent a slight advantage
I’m dead with the “Unfortunate...” at the end lol
what do you do when golds and silvers keep quitting on ya? try these builds in diamonds+
Yeah these channels are just for fun content but they’re playing against noobs lmao
as a veigar support main (ex veigar mid main) im actually tilted seeing this veigar not getting stacks fast enough, and btw veigar support works well with mf adc with make it rain and the cage
Holy...Event horizon + Rain + Bullet time....that sounds nasty!
For anyone that wants to try this build I have somewhat optimized it over the course of like 20 games.
Rush lyandris and lucidity boots (mpen boots are just not worth it imo) then go for nashors so ur autos and q deal some more dmg when they actually manage to get on top of u and then ur w is also not wasted. After that grudge because after that point ur r deals a ton of dmg from the ap and is honestly crucial for most teamfights. Grudge also slows which makes it really hard for them to get away.
I honestly mostly finish or FF at this point in the game but I guess u can either go all in going rabadons and last item infinity edge for the highest dmg spike .
I tried embrace multiple times but it honestly sucks.
I was curious if nashors works with Q
@@bryanincommiefornia5629 q applies on hit effects
“Did Zwag place a ward before 6 minutes?”
No… 1 minute late.. 5:52
Lose Streak: 1
Um... 5:52 is before six minutes, so the answer to your question is "Yes" instead of "No."
@@khalaq2 in the game
@@pikaboo1726 Ah, I see what I did. My mistake.
When jhin said "get back to your lanes shoo" I felt that
Veiger: "Hi, I'm Veigar. I have an aoe stun that traps you, a point and click ultimate that executes and farming gives me free ap.
Mf: hello Veigar. I'm an adc.
All I know is if I were that hecarim, I would have sat on you mid lane the whole game. It was his easiest lane to gank with the best setup.
Ya but half of Vieger stuns were literally him trying to edge stun MF not entrap her... so not like he cared to set up for hec and hec clearly saw this
"my cannon" Everytime i luv it
Mah kennen
**Game ends**
No one:
Absolutely no one:
Jhin: gg mid diff. Midget mental
I was just watching Jhin type all game. lol
"go to your lanes shooooo"
Hahahahaha
@Southern Cali Cmon m8. It's the first time I've used it. It's also true. At the end of the game Jhin was the only one typing still.
"Did Zwag get the first Cannon?"
Yes, 2:12
Win Streak: 6
first 6 and first canon :)
This vid was the one that earned my sub. Even funnier than the Vi mid video.
16:22 this is a prime example of me in life rn
4:44 Tip on post kill push/farming: you focused the minions instead of the tower. If you had hit the tower and let their minions push fully out of the tower range, your wave would not half crash and your cannon would not die to the tower before it reaches the tower. Then you could be autoing the tower while your cannon takes agro and probably get a plate. I know this is nit picky but as a pro player I hope you appreciate this level of detail and see that it's just because I love ya Zwag, no homo.
you are very correct but it’s also the thought of denying veigar the farm but making it crash before he can get back which, although he might not get playing, creates a bigger gold difference
@@_rapids3238 You would be right if he and Viegar were even or if Zwag was behind in gold. But grabbing as much gold as early as possible to get to his first item power spike is more important in this context. Not that it really matters because he outramped so hard Viegar quit xD
Damn, I wish he did make another. This was hilarious.
bruh this the only vid I havent watched in the past months and i get it recommended every time I enter youtube
Oh. This thing that's existed for years still exists. Oh, ok.
Good video, hope you have a nice day!
For me I really like grabbing the ad version of crystal scepter; having yourult slow for 30% is too good cause it keeps them taking more url hits
I'm pretty sure they stack
"just dodge it" LMAO
The power of that E makes me want to play League so bad. I had no idea you could go AP with MF, long poke OP
viktor with aery, manaflow band, transcendence, scorch, shield bash, revitalize. Items are lich bane rush, with mythic alternator item, magic pen boots, didn’t get to finish the game it does massive damage and fun to play. Game ended at 16 minutes
Zwag you bad boy broke the game 3 times in a row😂
This looks soo freaks good, will definetly try this and abuse it in solo que and with my team. Thanks for the video!
This is like AP Tristana back in the day. People would just rage quit against me, there was nothing they could do and if they fell under 50% HP, they were immediately dead. The trade off was having no real presence in fights due to long cool-downs though.
how about first strike or this build as support?
6:48 when you said to "run away" did you think that the W gives MS?
It reactivates her passive, which gives her MS. E slow into W to gain distance after Hecarim jumps on him is a solid strategy.
@@Tawleyn oh I thought it was just her old passive. Im confused. I have to look this up.
@@Henry-mw1xg her W passive gives out of combat ms, but her W active can give her ms (in addition to attack speed) in combat while its up
@@astrosloth0199 but look at time stamp I put, when he press' W it doesn't give MS, at 6:48
Her W is not an MS active anymore
Have you ever tried nightharvester ziggs? You lack mana but damn your burst and poke are nutty I had a lot of fun trying it.
I love burn mf. Thank you. I always wanted to see you play taric. Can he be played ap? Lethality? I see mostly bruiser tank or support. I have seen lightrocket build a kraken some times
Taric top and taric jungle are honestly terrifying
Buiser works, AP works too.
Not going to lie, i watch mostly his “i make people rage” videos
"My cannon" 3 times in one video, I'm so happy.
Have u considered building rylais? Would it make enemies extra slow= more dmg
slows dont stack which is why hardly anyone builds rylais because most champs already have slows thereby lowering the items value
slow doesnt really stack well this season, her e is 30% a second, rylais is 30% a second too but this isnt really 60%, its more 30%+ of that 30% slow, means 10% added, in total only 40% slow for a 3k gold item, thats just a waste, unfortunately.
@@AngelosRitter ahh didnt know that , that sucks
@@kamilpaprocki790 the only thing he was right is the 30% slow on rylais and that it's not worth it to build if u already have a slow. everything else is wrong.
the slow on her E scales from 40-60% and slows don't stack at all, only the highest one applies.
so rylais would only work on q and ult but in a AP build u wouldn't really use ult without E anyway.
Serylda's would be the better choice since it would add a slow to his Q and ult while also providing armor shred for their physical damage.
7:34 wondering why he didn't flash. His flash cd was like a second before yours and you still had 30 seconds on your flash when you ulted him. So it was still on CD.
Yes, I am back to tell you lot to like the video before Zwag's dance ends, so go do it already. Love ya Zwag, keep up the great work!
Not the zoom on the canon ! 😩😂
That's so true, you could just dodge the aoe ability with a 0.5 casting time without any movement abilities duhhh
Do you used to play metroidvanias?
Day 2 of wishing zwag a good day for himself
Have an idea xD play the spawn comp and kill with spawns like belvet, yorick naferi, malhazar.... cant think of the last culd be anne or ivern😂for tribute for ze ze rod
love doing this in ARAM
would you say that Ap Miss is a viable pick or just for casual play?
viable under certain conditions (you're last pick, no assasins/mobility champs that would interact with you in lane) pretty much only do it vs mages/tanks
why do you never get a zed or a talon mid ? When i try any new champs in mid I always get a zed or talon who deal 80% of my hp as damage at lvl 3 with electrocute.
the real burn happened at 4:44
hand delievered by kayle
"This is the third time they've ff'd"...Zwag problems
True Damage Miss Fortune R, to erase entire teams, additionally with Black Cleaver for that extra shred
Can you do a build on rek sai I’ve never played him or seen him played, would be interesting
can you show the rune page somewhere?
You should give commentary on what to do as the opposing enemy when your straight booty slapping them. So I know what to do facing this lol
Exactly. Instead of just trying to frustrate the opponent, giving constructive criticism would be way better. I would much rather hear @Zwag saying what to do to counter his own strategy instead.
What we need is for players to improve and get along. Not pick on each other and get even more annoyed at a game that is prone to that...
Please do this combo again for a longer game or at least a few quick games! This one ended way to early! Good work and keep it up mate 🙂
Ap burn mf is always a surprise cause no one thinks she would deal that much dmg til its late
Flame and ragequit you say? You have my undivided attention.
Isnt sorch shoes troll, since ur ult does phys dmg? Better get ionian for more spam..
E and both burns do magic damage though, which is the majority of what he's casting. He planned on getting a Cleaver (Serylda's would have worked too) if the game got to that point. Besides, between Liandries and Cosmic, ability haste wasn't an issue.
What elo is he playing?
"they just keep quitting on me" XD
Can anyone confirm whether this build is viable for the same rank like if you're in gold against gold opponents? Also would dark harvest be viable instead of comet?
yeah It's pretty good, but you shouldn't really play it against assassins, in my opinion..
And dark harvest works too! You can get it super easy, but comet is nice for that early poke
You pick Veigar when you want to turn your brain off, which is probably why they were so angry to begin with.
Woke they ass up 😂
The castlevania dawn of sorrow ost in the back was the best
I love the music just to this MF-gameplay. Just a whole vibe!
Good stuff Zwag
I think maybe building Serylda's instead of cleaver would be better cuz u still get the armor pen, the haste and on top of that ur E gets a gigantic slow.
Then again cleaver's armor shred also allows ur team to make use of it so both come with their advantages ig
The E already has a larger slow, Serylda's slow contributes nothing here on E
3.33 cleanest dodge I ever seen
Rage quit videos are best videos.
Nice video thank you!
It's MISS FORTUNATE that you missed that pun at the end of the vid lol
Is this a new mic? your audio and voice quality is different
hands down my fav MF build for Blitz and such, fun seeing it in SR
fun starts at 7:23
Veigar's name, Grille-Pain, is actually meaning "Toaster", of course he got roasted
those vision wards are passive 😂
Does anyone know what elo this is? Is this bronze? I love playing ap Mf but this won't work in plat for sure
Got to love when the hope scaling team only slim win condition is so brittle minded
Been doing this since last season, since I barely play league, I defaulted to this easy, oppressive play style with MF. Incredibly easy to play. I usually go: Liandry, rylai’s, horizon, etc. Slowing them with the rylai’s is actually very effective for increasing dmg with the E. I started off with demonic 2nd way back when but just like rylai’s more.
But her E already slows more than Rylai and afaik slows no longer stack
slow doesn't stack like Void already said, so Rylai is trash.
Liandry > Horizon > Embrace > Void Staff > Rabadon.
Possible items are Seraph's Embrace/Fimbulwinter and Morellonomicon.
Ah yes, Veigar the most fun champ to play ever.
stacking champs are fun though :
I wanna see the whole Kayle supp build :(
i wish u would have had ur ult ready when they did herald , that would have been beatifull to watch
What Elo is this?
Song at 13:00???
Nice strategic 😁😁
8:01 he said it! he said the thing!
10:38
i didn't really play league on pc but i have some time to play wild rift on my phone and these fun builds are good to mess with some people who think yasuo, zed, ezreal OP
When enemy has skill issue:
*Mad cause bad.*
“Midget mental” I’m crying 💀💀 bro you’ve inspired me to try AP MF mid and and maybe support. Btw who did you ban?
Dude what is the music at 12 😂😂 i remember this song but i dont know what is it 😂 nice video love mf never see her ap but wow it works 💪🏻 is that really at 16:30 deku palace from majoras mask i like you you become follower 👍
What’s the rest of the build
He's so pro that got character's name as a nick
176th day of algorithm comment 👑
What's elo?
Personally I'd go collector after 2 ap items
jump to 10:30 for funny moment
Y’all even if he smurfs these are actually hilarious to watch 👋
You have to give the other team a chance and play more Janna!
Comment for the algorithm
Do full movement speed Irelia with bork, stride, phantom dancer, and black cleaver. Also use sudden impact in your runes. Trust, my good sir