@@Nev3RmiNd Yeah i get that, but the thing is that the base models just look "forgettable" if that makes sense, in gmod you can point at something and go "oh that's gman from half life" etc. without mods and stuff. GMOD just has this weird feeling. But that's just me i guess, maybe i just need to give s&box some time
That's because people in general grew up and still live on the nostalgia of GMod left... and of course, the brutalist art that Source left with their games. I actually love Source 2 and everything that's made from it (in this case, S&Box), but Source's grungy, brutalist art and games like Half-Life 2 are compelling because IT IS: it's like going on an amazing adventure, but pessimistic, terrible, polluted, depressing, sometimes claustrophobic, or sometimes you are in a very open area or wasteland... but empty and lonely... we humans love these things, these things and these ideas of "worlds apocalyptic" in which we imagine, we are the heroes... BUT, in real life, not only would it not be possible (or at least not so much) but it would be the other way around: WE WOULD NOT LIKE A WORLD LIKE THIS, because it is one thing to dream about it and another is to live it... in Half-Life 2, we are fascinated by that apocalyptic world, only because we do not live it in our own flesh and we do not suffer pain, hunger or whatever, but it also makes us think about what an alternative reality like that would be like... we like it just because we are in the comfort of our homes playing on a keyboard and mouse or controller.
The best point of comparison i've seen is the carpet design with cartoonish 2d roads, houses and trees printed on them. There's a large number of people that have an immediate nostalgic connection to these carpets from their childhood, but they are in no way integral to allowing a child to play with their toys.
Didn't Garry say he didn't want game assets being ported into S&Box?..If that's true, it might ruin the game a bit, since assets from other games are one of the parts that makes GMod special for me.
From a legal standpoint it probably makes sense ... but from a player's perspective, being able to have guns, character models, ragdolls and who knows what else from pretty much any game was one of Gnod's biggest features. Hell, I'd argue that Gmod would have never taken off in the first place if it hadn't been built around HL2 assets. Plus, imagine how much different things would be if there had been no videos with any of the TF2 characters?
@@TristenTheArgonian All garry can do is remove them off the place what he hosts them on. You can probably get mods from external websites and import them into s&box anyways.
@@kumi6797 What is Half-Life? Is it like a cheap remake of Half-Life: Source, the amazing and completely bug free game made by Valve Software in 2004?..........
S&box isn't using HL:Alyx's assets because Garry doesn't want to create another Counter-Strike: Source problem that Garry's Mod had. It was easier to use Half-Life 2's assets in Garry's Mod because by default all source engine games/mods get all of Half-Life 2's Models, Textures and animations with almost no requirements. The only requirement for mods is that you have the proper SDK installed on Steam.
@@AmelpsXettNo, you won't, and it's not to prevent a CS:S situation either. It's just because Garry doesn't want to pay a bigger cut to Valve for including HL assets.
Every gmod fan waits for this, and when its publicly released 50% of people will use some sort of hl2 character as their player model and other half will use what they used in gmod
majority of people iv talked to who have access to S&Box, say theyll stay with Gmod. and about 75% I talked to after explaining that its not Gmod 2, it cant port stuff like maps over 1:1, and DarkRP or the like of it wont be present, that means all the RP gamemodes wont be there, and IP protection so starwars, harry potter, Halo, ect wont be present. because donations cant be pocketed. ... say theyll stay on Gmod.
don't think gmod will die after s&box releases, the game has been immensly popular for like a decade now and even right now its still growing, about the pc thing, source 2 is incredible with optimization, might see less fps then on source 1 like in cs2 at the moment but once they figure it out it'll be smooth like butter (i hope.) .
Completely agree on the Half-Life assets part, probably my biggest worry when it comes to S&box. I'm confident Valve's assets gave a massive boost to the early days of gmod, hell even today there's still maps and addons that use their assets coming out, CS:S is still a requirement on so many addons that come out now. I have a feeling that there could be copyright infringement issues when it comes to that and S&box. Gmod at least started out as a mod, so it would be stupid for Valve to strip it of their assets later on, but as I understand S&box will come out as an independent game from day 1, I could see them using Valve's assets being a problem.
As I see it right now, S&box looks like it wants to be a sort of "Roblox", where it's the platform with the foundations, like servers and a stable engine (i don't know if S&box provides servers for games but Roblox does) for developers to make and easily publish their own games within.
Honestly this is what it's seemed like for awhile, I'm cautiously optimistic. I think it could be a really cool thing if it works out well, though I'm not sure if they're keeping with Lua (my personal favorite lang, which both GMod and Roblox utilize). Given the server browser, I suspect their own servers host the actual game assets, but the game servers are hosted by other players, which honestly is probably for the best, closer to something like BYOND, another good example of this kind of platform, than the rather hit-or-miss servers of Roblox.
@@kellerweskier7214 Roblox came out in 2006, with its idea already being set in stone around 2004. GMOD did release on Steam in 2006, but I highly doubt the developers would have taken much, if any inspiration from it lol
@@kellerweskier7214 roblox was made as a platform for children (young people overall) to play and create in places (small scale games at most), it's essentially what it is today from the beginning
yes it would be great if they added assets from other source 2 games or they could add a mounting systhem where you could mount cs2 if you have it installed.
5:15 I'm pretty sure they mentioned in a blog post that they didn't want to run into another "everyone needs counter strike: source" issue, so that's why they don't use half life alyx assets
Garry's Mod was indeed heavily reliant on Half Life 2 as a base for its entire success. Its role as a physics based sandbox was a niche that had not yet been fulfilled to the degree Garry's Mod managed to. However, it is important to note that Garry's Mod is a *physics based* sandbox, only being such because Half Life 2 was a *physics based* game. Valve is known for pushing only the latest and most innovative game ideas in their flagship titles, which at the time physics was that new and bright future for games that Half Life 2 sought to explore. However, physics has long passed the front of innovation and Valve is looking for new ideas to expand upon. For that reason, there never will be another Half Life title where physics is the center of gameplay, and as such you can't have a Garry's Mod 2 based on a title which does not exist and will not exist. Half Life Alyx is that new Half Life title, it pushes the ability of games by expanding to be the greatest VR title so far, its just not accepted as that because some people can either not play it or it is not a physics based / nostalgic game which the other Half Life titles occupy. I agree Half Life Alyx does not have the same feel as the other titles, but that is because it is a new game exploring an entirely new medium which can never feel the same as platform shooters. If you want to play a game like Garry's Mod, you can just play Garry's Mod. A new coat of paint on the same experience will never be fulfilling, and for the people expecting Sbox to be Garry's Mod 2 are only dumbing down its potential to be an inferior modernized version of an existing game. For Sbox to succeed, it should be encouraged and supported to do something entirely new.
The bean cartoony characters are off putting, I will agree with that. Even if its a older title now HL2 assets could still easily be used as a base. Not sure why Garry want's to distance himself considering how vital it was to the success of the game.
i feel like i am getting old. when i first saw S&Box i thought "Gmod 2" like many before, and you and many people say: "its really not" which does not have to be bad, but its the same framework of gmod, but i feel that you never have any of the data. all the files are serverside stuff and if one day the servers are done, you couldn't sit down and make a nice wire creation out of boredom on your own because you need to load into some gamemode browser that 404s on you. the idea of data mortality (the death of a game) or "abandonware" makes me angry and that the thing i look up to seems so tailored to online play just makes me uneasy. gmod wasn't perfect but it had the formula down methinks.
If s&box is hard to understand, the easiest way is to think of it like a way more sophisticated and adult centered Roblox. S&Box is a game developing engine focused on sharing, friends, parties and fun.
I’ve had the game for a couple weeks. I can’t see it ever being successful like gmod. No steam workshop, no half life props, roblox like game modes rather than servers. I heard copyright will also be enforced in their proprietary workshop. Shame Valve gave Facepunch the Source 2 SDK first because they wasted it on this.
majority of people iv talked to who have access to S&Box, say theyll stay with Gmod. and about 75% I talked to after explaining that its not Gmod 2, it cant port stuff like maps over 1:1, and DarkRP or the like of it wont be present, that means all the RP gamemodes wont be there, and IP protection so starwars, harry potter, Halo, ect wont be present. because donations cant be pocketed. ... say theyll stay on Gmod.
One thing that strikes me about the playermodels is that having strange looking avatars in a sandbox game is... generic as all hell, granted realism like Gmod had doesn't make it super special but it damn well makes it less generic and jarring
if i recall correctly, Facepunch was given the engine but if they wanted to use valve's assets they had to pay a % cut of the overall revenue.. for each valve game that they took assets from . I think the overall reason for this is becasue valve wants facepunch to stand on its own leg and create something of their own instead of relying on valve. also im pretty sure that they are intentionally trying to make it as far away from half life as possible, considering the overall aesthetic and the horrible sausage characters. Also its important to remember that valve as a company is getting old, like gabe just reached 60 years old and many of the employees are also pretty old.. doing online games is many magnitudes easier than creating a believable singleplayer experience and most of their success is from this market (multiplayer). like both half life games were kinda considered failures (by valves standards) even if many people loved them
1:39 I don't know what you mean, you said you wanted "a normal human bean", and you got one. Make up your mind! Also, I think it's better if this game creates its own assets. Gmod was fun because of the HL2 assets, but you can't catch lightning in a bottle twice. This way, the mod can actually stand on its own, without being tethered to an aging game. It can do its own thing, and the beans are part of that. They add character.
I agree with last commenter. Even if Facepunch wants S&box to have its own aesthetic, or the skeleton of one, these models are just ugly and unappealing. They add nothing.
S&box is more server sided, gmod is more mod sided gmod wont die because of S&box, like a lot of people exagerate about (not you radiation), rather, S&box will provide a new experience, something different, ya know? tho uh, things arent lookin' too good, atleast its not finished, would be bad if this was the final product we recieved
i'm just excited for when things like DarkRP are implemented into S&Box, i mean there's already infamous maps like downtown v2 being made in s&box and it's just a sure future that i can't wait for since it's bound to happen and it'll be very cool
The "beans" as eligible characters in the game is called Terry (he has neither a gender nor a certain ethnicity or anything, he is just a character that serves as a placeholder and as a main character if you want, at the same time). And they are one of the S&Box mascots (I don't know if there are more officially), I think the other two are realistic humans with different skin and hair tones (in fact, one of them has no hair on his head, he's bald) , that right now I don't remember their official names... in the future you will be able to choose or add your own skins or characters to choose from... there are people who are trying to make imports or their own creations to add.
gmod started as a way to shit around in the source engine but what we all ended up finding was a public browser of different gamemodes that download instantly-- each tuned slightly different there were a lot of unique gmod modes that i wish were drawn out into full titles
I hope Terry will become I widely beloved character in the internet, after S&Box releases. Terry plushes will soon hit the market. Btw, Terry is the bean characters that you described.
@@selectionn they will make it to release and the game won't flop. The only condition for the game to flop is if developers wont want to develop for it. And currently no one wants to stop
The bean models are just the official supported models, the customizability the game modes enable allow the creators to put any model they desire as the character model.
Garry made a point to not add half life assets to s&bot because it would allow valve to take an extra 25% cut on royalty for the game and it was too much for him to be willing to agree too.
S&Box feels so... pitiful. Like, literally everyone would love it if just Garry's Mod was put on Source 2. But he goes and makes this weird bean person game with out of place assets, no art style, and the only real content all being community made.
I'm only really interested in it for the games bundled in like the alpha port of TF2, I agree Half Life should be used in it and to replace those damn beans.
Looks like a combination of Gmod and Roblox, which is pretty obvious. Not saying it's a bad thing, but the visual style of the game doesn't interest me at all, so I'll stick to Gmod.
I think, many people don't realize s&box is not a mod, it's a stand alone game running on source, that's why it doesn't have all the HL:A stuff, Garry said so at some point; S&box is not a GMod sequel, it is its own thing
Ngl I shat my pants when I saw the gif cube... also holy shit nice! I can't wait to know more about s&box, although I'm a little worried this "avatar" thing might be used for some kind of monetization scheme. I would really hate to see the spirit of modding break by making it a paid service and a business model rather than a community effort.
even with s&box being development and i also highly doubt it will get popularity like its predecessor, gmod will still be my favourite sandbox game, watching those 2010s gmod videos back then, led me getting gmod where i have hours of fun from the addons, still arguably an iconic game even for a decade old game
The only thing I'm excited about, is making animations and machinimas in S&Box. Like how you make animations in SFM and machinimas in Gmod. S&Box is not just a game, it's a content creating machine.
Ngl, i really love the default map, it's so smooth and realistic at same time, i love the details in it aswell liminality. Would be nice if you could do video just about the default map, seems really interesting.
A few notes: 1 - Regarding the download speed, I think it might be a client-side thing. I'm not sure what your download/upload speeds are, but I have horrifically poor internet and the time it takes for me to download a gamemode, map or asset are pretty much on-par with the times you mentioned in the video. 2 - I'm surprised how few people mention this, but one of S&Box's biggest problems right now is that, because it's still in heavy development, it's easy for gamemodes, scripts, shaders, etc to just break. I got my hands on a S&Box key recently and was super excited to try some gamemodes I heard about long ago, especially some of Eagle One Development's early stuff, only to find out that a lot of old content doesn't exist anymore (likely because years of overhauls to game engine's base code broke a lot of systems that early gamemodes/assets relied upon, and devs decided it was not worth the hassle of fixing it if it's going to be broken again within a month. Admittedly that's speculation on my part, but the point is: old content dead). Hopefully when the public version comes out (and changes to the base engine code become less frequent) gamemodes/maps/assets will have a longer shelf-life, but until that happens most of S&Box can only be experienced in-the-moment.
there aren't a lot of fully done games within sandbox. people would need to make one first. though there's already several games that are in a playable state. so, at the release day there won't be many fun games.
I've had my hands on s&box for at least 2 years now and I'll tell you, I'm extremely skeptical about it. for all intents and purposes this is roblox on source 2
I think the reason why you don't see Half Life props is because Gmod was a mod for Half Life 2 so of course it would include HL2 props, once Valve had officially published Gmod, they were probably okay with it using their assets. This time, I think Valve only licensed the engine but didn't allow the use of their newer assets from HL: A.
@@ninjacat230 No? They weren't even using Source 2 until last year. They can use those assets but they don't want because Valve apparently wants more money for that
I get why your confused by some of the decisions Facepunch made during the video. I i highly would recommend at some point going through Garry's blog where he explains why some of those decisions were made, like why the Terry character models are the main models of the game (even tho they plan to also add realistic ones now) or why they aren't using the steam workshop anymore.
to be fair, s&box started development before HL:A, so not using it as a base is understandable, but we NEED the ability to mount other games like Gmod can. also, those "bean" people are the WORST, and I can't see myself buying this if I'm forced to use them
i just got access to it today and i got a couple things to say about it, the servers run extremely smoothly but it just doesn't feel all there its still a little weird and unfamiliar like the spawn menu is literally just community content from what i can tell multiplayer is really shitty it doesn't feel fun most of the time your just running around and dying constantly
s&box is it's own thing, it's not a hl:a mod, and it's why it isn't dependent on any Valve assets. They use source 2 because it's more intuitive than UE
The only thing I hate is this invite system for getting keys, I've tried to get a key in 2021 I believe - no luck Hope this new system will be better or just make pre-orders Garry, please.
The game isn't even close to what I would say early access, maybe even Beta. There are changes everywhere all the time and I doubt it will release anytime soon. That's why the current state of it is oriented to developers
sandbox lets you create game inside the platform without having to pay another license like in source 1. this is a massive boost for any creators that want to publish their game on steam using source 2.
sandbox uses the source2 version from HL:A. they've been making so many changes in the engine itself that they've become another branch of source2 version. valve could give them the updated source2 from cs2 if they wishes so, though idk if that's a possible.
![[TF2] Would Source 2 Even Help?](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/SYMZMEKr5nA/mqdefault.jpg)
You can see how dark and gritty Rad Haz is, he just randomly drowned a dog like it's nothing.
rad haz hitting the gritty limit, TH-cam might notice
Beta version of Radhaz is indeed dark like that 💀
John Wick has been angered.
Dark and Griddy 🕺
Can't believe he turned dark and griddy
I agree with the "Half life foundation", the artstyle of gmod was (atleast for me) the thing that made me interested in it in the first place
the second s&box is released you'll get all the half life assets. Its a no brainer
@@Nev3RmiNd Yeah i get that, but the thing is that the base models just look "forgettable" if that makes sense, in gmod you can point at something and go "oh that's gman from half life" etc. without mods and stuff. GMOD just has this weird feeling. But that's just me i guess, maybe i just need to give s&box some time
That's because people in general grew up and still live on the nostalgia of GMod left... and of course, the brutalist art that Source left with their games. I actually love Source 2 and everything that's made from it (in this case, S&Box), but Source's grungy, brutalist art and games like Half-Life 2 are compelling because IT IS: it's like going on an amazing adventure, but pessimistic, terrible, polluted, depressing, sometimes claustrophobic, or sometimes you are in a very open area or wasteland... but empty and lonely... we humans love these things, these things and these ideas of "worlds apocalyptic" in which we imagine, we are the heroes... BUT, in real life, not only would it not be possible (or at least not so much) but it would be the other way around: WE WOULD NOT LIKE A WORLD LIKE THIS, because it is one thing to dream about it and another is to live it... in Half-Life 2, we are fascinated by that apocalyptic world, only because we do not live it in our own flesh and we do not suffer pain, hunger or whatever, but it also makes us think about what an alternative reality like that would be like... we like it just because we are in the comfort of our homes playing on a keyboard and mouse or controller.
Same
The best point of comparison i've seen is the carpet design with cartoonish 2d roads, houses and trees printed on them. There's a large number of people that have an immediate nostalgic connection to these carpets from their childhood, but they are in no way integral to allowing a child to play with their toys.
Didn't Garry say he didn't want game assets being ported into S&Box?..If that's true, it might ruin the game a bit, since assets from other games are one of the parts that makes GMod special for me.
Garry doesn't know what he wants anymore lol.
Doesn't really matter what garry wants. People can do whatever the hell they want.
@@gordonfeetman445 not if garry doesnt let it happen.
From a legal standpoint it probably makes sense ... but from a player's perspective, being able to have guns, character models, ragdolls and who knows what else from pretty much any game was one of Gnod's biggest features.
Hell, I'd argue that Gmod would have never taken off in the first place if it hadn't been built around HL2 assets. Plus, imagine how much different things would be if there had been no videos with any of the TF2 characters?
@@TristenTheArgonian All garry can do is remove them off the place what he hosts them on. You can probably get mods from external websites and import them into s&box anyways.
4:20 Nice to see that half life source is still flawless no matter the engine
This comment just gave me a great idea! Someone should port Half-Life: Source to the GoldScr engine. Never been done before so it might not work....
@@CatsT.M so, half life?
@@kumi6797 What is Half-Life? Is it like a cheap remake of Half-Life: Source, the amazing and completely bug free game made by Valve Software in 2004?..........
This ain’t Garry's mod, its Garry's game.
its garry's unfinished games creating platform. What garry's mod was intended to be
I like that
Literally
S&box isn't using HL:Alyx's assets because Garry doesn't want to create another Counter-Strike: Source problem that Garry's Mod had.
It was easier to use Half-Life 2's assets in Garry's Mod because by default all source engine games/mods get all of Half-Life 2's Models, Textures and animations with almost no requirements.
The only requirement for mods is that you have the proper SDK installed on Steam.
no, its because he didnt want to build the game out of someone else's work. You will be able to mount source games in the future.
@@AmelpsXett And where did you hear that?
@@AmelpsXettNo, you won't, and it's not to prevent a CS:S situation either. It's just because Garry doesn't want to pay a bigger cut to Valve for including HL assets.
I can't believe this game is this active even though it's only invite key exclusive
Also i can't wait for a source 2 version of JBMod
They changed the system now where whoever has access to the game gets a key generated every friday.
wait is jbmod still alive? month ago i checked the game but all servers were empty
@@Yourlocalwordrobe last night I was on a server with 2 other people. It's really off on, you will be lucky to find a server with more than 3 people
@@joeyvg07 this Monday at 4 am I played a full TTT game and a full quake styled shooter game with like 12 people. It's crazy
Have access, its unfinished to the point where not being granted a key is not a loss at all. barely any people play anyway
i wish someone would make a box of sand
newman:
s&*
Every gmod fan waits for this, and when its publicly released 50% of people will use some sort of hl2 character as their player model and other half will use what they used in gmod
If they want GMod, then let them just play GMod.
Nah im staying in gmod (i have a shitty pc)
@@Kratos_Messi7050 real
majority of people iv talked to who have access to S&Box, say theyll stay with Gmod. and about 75% I talked to after explaining that its not Gmod 2, it cant port stuff like maps over 1:1, and DarkRP or the like of it wont be present, that means all the RP gamemodes wont be there, and IP protection so starwars, harry potter, Halo, ect wont be present. because donations cant be pocketed. ... say theyll stay on Gmod.
don't think gmod will die after s&box releases, the game has been immensly popular for like a decade now and even right now its still growing, about the pc thing, source 2 is incredible with optimization, might see less fps then on source 1 like in cs2 at the moment but once they figure it out it'll be smooth like butter (i hope.) .
Completely agree on the Half-Life assets part, probably my biggest worry when it comes to S&box. I'm confident Valve's assets gave a massive boost to the early days of gmod, hell even today there's still maps and addons that use their assets coming out, CS:S is still a requirement on so many addons that come out now. I have a feeling that there could be copyright infringement issues when it comes to that and S&box. Gmod at least started out as a mod, so it would be stupid for Valve to strip it of their assets later on, but as I understand S&box will come out as an independent game from day 1, I could see them using Valve's assets being a problem.
They're not including Half-Life assets because they don't want to pay a bigger cut to Valve, at least that's the excuse Garry gave last time.
im predicting now that the number one mod on the workshop will be a gmod conversion and will be forever
Pretty much like JBmod, most the addons just add stuff from gmod
There is someone literally developing a Gmod 2 mode for the game with Gary's approval
As I see it right now, S&box looks like it wants to be a sort of "Roblox", where it's the platform with the foundations, like servers and a stable engine (i don't know if S&box provides servers for games but Roblox does) for developers to make and easily publish their own games within.
Sounds like fun
Honestly this is what it's seemed like for awhile, I'm cautiously optimistic. I think it could be a really cool thing if it works out well, though I'm not sure if they're keeping with Lua (my personal favorite lang, which both GMod and Roblox utilize). Given the server browser, I suspect their own servers host the actual game assets, but the game servers are hosted by other players, which honestly is probably for the best, closer to something like BYOND, another good example of this kind of platform, than the rather hit-or-miss servers of Roblox.
uh. tbh? Roblox wanted to be like gmod. and S&Box is doing just that, with more emphasis on different platforms rather than sandbox.
@@kellerweskier7214 Roblox came out in 2006, with its idea already being set in stone around 2004. GMOD did release on Steam in 2006, but I highly doubt the developers would have taken much, if any inspiration from it lol
@@kellerweskier7214 roblox was made as a platform for children (young people overall) to play and create in places (small scale games at most), it's essentially what it is today from the beginning
yes it would be great if they added assets from other source 2 games or they could add a mounting systhem where you could mount cs2 if you have it installed.
@@QuackCola mounting system will happen. They already confirmed it.
Somebody legit thought that something Gmod 2 needed was Fanboy and Chum Chum player models
An alpha project, using placeholder models? I never would've thought.
@@benjaminzarkhin1293 That is a lotta effort put in for placeholders then
Can’t wait for it to be released to the public!
@@ZenTaurenI do
@@ZenTauren YES PLEASE
I got access 2 years ago because of a workshop collection I made, do you want a key? I've been making a map for it.
@@ZenTauren Ok! I added you!
i have a mid range pc. i don't know if i could run sandbox. but i'd take any free keys.
Facepunch calling it a "worthy sequel to Garry's Mod" is pretty disingenuous when it's missing a lot of what makes Garry's Mod Garry's Mod
5:15 I'm pretty sure they mentioned in a blog post that they didn't want to run into another "everyone needs counter strike: source" issue, so that's why they don't use half life alyx assets
Garry's Mod was indeed heavily reliant on Half Life 2 as a base for its entire success.
Its role as a physics based sandbox was a niche that had not yet been fulfilled to the degree Garry's Mod managed to.
However, it is important to note that Garry's Mod is a *physics based* sandbox, only being such because Half Life 2 was a *physics based* game.
Valve is known for pushing only the latest and most innovative game ideas in their flagship titles, which at the time physics was that new and bright future for games that Half Life 2 sought to explore.
However, physics has long passed the front of innovation and Valve is looking for new ideas to expand upon.
For that reason, there never will be another Half Life title where physics is the center of gameplay, and as such you can't have a Garry's Mod 2 based on a title which does not exist and will not exist. Half Life Alyx is that new Half Life title, it pushes the ability of games by expanding to be the greatest VR title so far, its just not accepted as that because some people can either not play it or it is not a physics based / nostalgic game which the other Half Life titles occupy. I agree Half Life Alyx does not have the same feel as the other titles, but that is because it is a new game exploring an entirely new medium which can never feel the same as platform shooters.
If you want to play a game like Garry's Mod, you can just play Garry's Mod. A new coat of paint on the same experience will never be fulfilling, and for the people expecting Sbox to be Garry's Mod 2 are only dumbing down its potential to be an inferior modernized version of an existing game. For Sbox to succeed, it should be encouraged and supported to do something entirely new.
me personally, i’m not that excited for s&box
The bean cartoony characters are off putting, I will agree with that. Even if its a older title now HL2 assets could still easily be used as a base. Not sure why Garry want's to distance himself considering how vital it was to the success of the game.
"garrys biggest bomb was gmod" - some guy in a dacoobers video
Theres something fun & special about playing a 20 year old game thats still popular and fun, S&box wont beat Gmod.
i would stomp the s&box player characters into a fine brown paste if i saw them scuttling along the floor in real life
ah yes Cry of Fear: Source 2
i feel like i am getting old.
when i first saw S&Box i thought "Gmod 2" like many before, and you and many people say: "its really not" which does not have to be bad, but its the same framework of gmod, but i feel that you never have any of the data. all the files are serverside stuff and if one day the servers are done, you couldn't sit down and make a nice wire creation out of boredom on your own because you need to load into some gamemode browser that 404s on you.
the idea of data mortality (the death of a game) or "abandonware" makes me angry and that the thing i look up to seems so tailored to online play just makes me uneasy. gmod wasn't perfect but it had the formula down methinks.
That's a good point tbh
If s&box is hard to understand, the easiest way is to think of it like a way more sophisticated and adult centered Roblox. S&Box is a game developing engine focused on sharing, friends, parties and fun.
i tried playing s&box, and the lack of an undo button made me SO upset i couldn't play it
also the beans are ugly as sin
S&box will fail because of the bean playermodels
2:40 nah he did my boy Simon dirty 😭😭😭
I’ve had the game for a couple weeks. I can’t see it ever being successful like gmod. No steam workshop, no half life props, roblox like game modes rather than servers. I heard copyright will also be enforced in their proprietary workshop. Shame Valve gave Facepunch the Source 2 SDK first because they wasted it on this.
majority of people iv talked to who have access to S&Box, say theyll stay with Gmod. and about 75% I talked to after explaining that its not Gmod 2, it cant port stuff like maps over 1:1, and DarkRP or the like of it wont be present, that means all the RP gamemodes wont be there, and IP protection so starwars, harry potter, Halo, ect wont be present. because donations cant be pocketed. ... say theyll stay on Gmod.
I have the suspicious feel that this will be dead in the water upon release...
After reading the comments here, it got me thinking... And yeah, I kinda agree...
One thing that strikes me about the playermodels is that having strange looking avatars in a sandbox game is... generic as all hell, granted realism like Gmod had doesn't make it super special but it damn well makes it less generic and jarring
Suggestion: play a game mode named Boomer and also try your hand at Hammer 2. It's so much more intuitive and easier than Hammer 1.
if i recall correctly, Facepunch was given the engine but if they wanted to use valve's assets they had to pay a % cut of the overall revenue.. for each valve game that they took assets from . I think the overall reason for this is becasue valve wants facepunch to stand on its own leg and create something of their own instead of relying on valve. also im pretty sure that they are intentionally trying to make it as far away from half life as possible, considering the overall aesthetic and the horrible sausage characters. Also its important to remember that valve as a company is getting old, like gabe just reached 60 years old and many of the employees are also pretty old.. doing online games is many magnitudes easier than creating a believable singleplayer experience and most of their success is from this market (multiplayer). like both half life games were kinda considered failures (by valves standards) even if many people loved them
I'm with you rad haz, I don't like the bean people.
1:39 I don't know what you mean, you said you wanted "a normal human bean", and you got one. Make up your mind!
Also, I think it's better if this game creates its own assets. Gmod was fun because of the HL2 assets, but you can't catch lightning in a bottle twice. This way, the mod can actually stand on its own, without being tethered to an aging game. It can do its own thing, and the beans are part of that. They add character.
Yeah after reading your comment and some others, it makes sense why they're not banking on HL/CS stuff anymore.
I'm still 50/50 on the beans though.
Nice to see you here, Peter
Beans are boring. I want my Gman selling watermelon to Dr. K.
They can use ANYTHING else besides beans if they want to 'add character' or 'do its own thing'. The beans are ugly and obnoxious.
I agree with last commenter. Even if Facepunch wants S&box to have its own aesthetic, or the skeleton of one, these models are just ugly and unappealing. They add nothing.
Cant wait to see hunt down the freeman on s&box!
SAME
S&box is more server sided, gmod is more mod sided
gmod wont die because of S&box, like a lot of people exagerate about (not you radiation), rather, S&box will provide a new experience, something different, ya know?
tho uh, things arent lookin' too good, atleast its not finished, would be bad if this was the final product we recieved
I really just pefer GMOD to S&box, since i've started playing gmod nothing can replace it for me, its just got the feel.
when the radiation is hazardous
i'm just excited for when things like DarkRP are implemented into S&Box, i mean there's already infamous maps like downtown v2 being made in s&box and it's just a sure future that i can't wait for since it's bound to happen and it'll be very cool
just in my opinion i think S&box will never be as big as gmod
What if Asset Party website for S&box will disappear mysteriously like garrysmod org?
The "beans" as eligible characters in the game is called Terry (he has neither a gender nor a certain ethnicity or anything, he is just a character that serves as a placeholder and as a main character if you want, at the same time). And they are one of the S&Box mascots (I don't know if there are more officially), I think the other two are realistic humans with different skin and hair tones (in fact, one of them has no hair on his head, he's bald) , that right now I don't remember their official names... in the future you will be able to choose or add your own skins or characters to choose from... there are people who are trying to make imports or their own creations to add.
he is a thumb actually
gmod started as a way to shit around in the source engine
but what we all ended up finding was a public browser of different gamemodes that download instantly-- each tuned slightly different
there were a lot of unique gmod modes that i wish were drawn out into full titles
I hope Terry will become I widely beloved character in the internet, after S&Box releases. Terry plushes will soon hit the market.
Btw, Terry is the bean characters that you described.
Terry is a thumb character
bean characters wont make it to final release, if they do the game flops.
@@selectionn they will make it to release and the game won't flop.
The only condition for the game to flop is if developers wont want to develop for it. And currently no one wants to stop
@@selectionn Bro you think the game is going to flop because of the characters? 😭😭
@@creativecipher honestly the only negative talks the game is getting is about Terry
Ok but there's barely any sand and boxes. I thought this was supposed to be a s&box.
True 😔
s&box not using hla assets is absolutely a dumb move.
Hopefully when S&Box is more finished people will use it to make some of the stuff that the Garry's Mod community made (like machinimas).
The bean models are just the official supported models, the customizability the game modes enable allow the creators to put any model they desire as the character model.
Garry made a point to not add half life assets to s&bot because it would allow valve to take an extra 25% cut on royalty for the game and it was too much for him to be willing to agree too.
S&Box feels so... pitiful. Like, literally everyone would love it if just Garry's Mod was put on Source 2. But he goes and makes this weird bean person game with out of place assets, no art style, and the only real content all being community made.
B e a n
And i thought i was the only one on the wavelength regarding current Gmod being superior than s&box
I'm only really interested in it for the games bundled in like the alpha port of TF2, I agree Half Life should be used in it and to replace those damn beans.
Looks like a combination of Gmod and Roblox, which is pretty obvious. Not saying it's a bad thing, but the visual style of the game doesn't interest me at all, so I'll stick to Gmod.
I think, many people don't realize s&box is not a mod, it's a stand alone game running on source, that's why it doesn't have all the HL:A stuff, Garry said so at some point; S&box is not a GMod sequel, it is its own thing
if your talking about a new flagship half life game for s&box to base upon then we're gunna be here till the heat death of the sun
lmao... yeah...
Great video! Wish they gave out more S&box keys, can't seem to get any :(
and a few hours later, I have my key!
Sausage men?
I'm not playing a game with sausage men.
Facepunch wants S&box to be unrelated to any Valve IPs, pretty sure they have made that clear
I hope I can get access to this game soon, I’ve been eagerly waiting for its release for a long while. This looks really good
Ngl I shat my pants when I saw the gif cube...
also holy shit nice! I can't wait to know more about s&box, although I'm a little worried this "avatar" thing might be used for some kind of monetization scheme. I would really hate to see the spirit of modding break by making it a paid service and a business model rather than a community effort.
As far as I know, it's a placeholder. Also devs are free to use whatever they want as models
even with s&box being development and i also highly doubt it will get popularity like its predecessor, gmod will still be my favourite sandbox game, watching those 2010s gmod videos back then, led me getting gmod where i have hours of fun from the addons, still arguably an iconic game even for a decade old game
well actually 🤓 gmod is 2 decades old next year!!!!!!!!
doesnt need that popularity
The only thing I'm excited about, is making animations and machinimas in S&Box. Like how you make animations in SFM and machinimas in Gmod.
S&Box is not just a game, it's a content creating machine.
Dark and Gritty, but with nice lighting and skybox.
Ngl, i really love the default map, it's so smooth and realistic at same time, i love the details in it aswell liminality. Would be nice if you could do video just about the default map, seems really interesting.
A few notes:
1 - Regarding the download speed, I think it might be a client-side thing.
I'm not sure what your download/upload speeds are, but I have horrifically poor internet and the time it takes for me to download a gamemode, map or asset are pretty much on-par with the times you mentioned in the video.
2 - I'm surprised how few people mention this, but one of S&Box's biggest problems right now is that, because it's still in heavy development, it's easy for gamemodes, scripts, shaders, etc to just break.
I got my hands on a S&Box key recently and was super excited to try some gamemodes I heard about long ago, especially some of Eagle One Development's early stuff, only to find out that a lot of old content doesn't exist anymore (likely because years of overhauls to game engine's base code broke a lot of systems that early gamemodes/assets relied upon, and devs decided it was not worth the hassle of fixing it if it's going to be broken again within a month. Admittedly that's speculation on my part, but the point is: old content dead).
Hopefully when the public version comes out (and changes to the base engine code become less frequent) gamemodes/maps/assets will have a longer shelf-life, but until that happens most of S&Box can only be experienced in-the-moment.
I got good internet and even I had to wait at least a couple of minutes for a simple map like Construct
@@aSkyclad Good internet, had to download a 300MB map for approximately 10 minutes. Unbearable and turned me off even testing the game more.
This really shows how dark and gritty Rad Haz can be
I like how he started saying it's not Gmod 2 but it literally looks plays and feels like a sequel to gmod😂
I want S&box is DARK AND GRITTY.
It will be interesting to see what massive servers start to show up when the game fully releases,
there aren't a lot of fully done games within sandbox. people would need to make one first. though there's already several games that are in a playable state.
so, at the release day there won't be many fun games.
3:48 I assume this is to prevent the infamous wait times that most gmod servers had, with the hours it required to download all the addons
If you can’t have a default kleiner as a playermodel then I am not interested. We don’t need another roblox. We need another gmod.
I've had my hands on s&box for at least 2 years now and I'll tell you, I'm extremely skeptical about it. for all intents and purposes this is roblox on source 2
I think the reason why you don't see Half Life props is because Gmod was a mod for Half Life 2 so of course it would include HL2 props, once Valve had officially published Gmod, they were probably okay with it using their assets. This time, I think Valve only licensed the engine but didn't allow the use of their newer assets from HL: A.
It's more that by the time HL:A came out, facepunch had already made all the assets they needed.
@@ninjacat230 No? They weren't even using Source 2 until last year. They can use those assets but they don't want because Valve apparently wants more money for that
Roblox in Source 2 is a good way to explain it.
It was kinda like Roblox but in Source 2.
gerry said he does not want to moutn games
I get why your confused by some of the decisions Facepunch made during the video. I i highly would recommend at some point going through Garry's blog where he explains why some of those decisions were made, like why the Terry character models are the main models of the game (even tho they plan to also add realistic ones now) or why they aren't using the steam workshop anymore.
Yeah I should read those. I never looked into Sbox before and I was excited to get this video out today.
I'm glad to see HL:Source 2 stayed true to the original HL:Source as closely as it could.
S&Box is a closed beta and the espiritual successor of GMod. :D
THANKS FOR TALKING ABOUT THIS GAME!
Gmod witouth a personality that’s what this game will be
I'm not going to lie this game is going to revolutionize so much stuff is going to be basically the adult version of Roblox
Kids are probably going to find their way on to s&box somehow
"Adult" as if Gmod wasn't primarily kids, and this will be too if it catches on at all
funnily enough there are
already games that are like roblox but for "adults" an example would be vrchat
to be fair, s&box started development before HL:A, so not using it as a base is understandable, but we NEED the ability to mount other games like Gmod can.
also, those "bean" people are the WORST, and I can't see myself buying this if I'm forced to use them
As someone who's had s&box access for quite a long while now, those thumb people sure have grown on me a lot. :)
i cant wait to play this game
source 2 allows for almost INFINITE MAPS size or proceduraly generatad
dark RP little boy hiroshima incoming cant wait
2:22 aw hell nah tf did the thing do to you?
It stole my beans
@@RadiationHazardYTbean trafficking 😳
i just got access to it today and i got a couple things to say about it, the servers run extremely smoothly but it just doesn't feel all there its still a little weird and unfamiliar like the spawn menu is literally just community content from what i can tell multiplayer is really shitty it doesn't feel fun most of the time your just running around and dying constantly
Once S&box is released to the public i can’t wait to get my hands on TF2 S2, it looks very nice
I got access 2 years ago because of a workshop collection I made, do you want a key? I've been making a map for it.
@@ZenTauren no i don't think i really deserve it, thank you tho
@@ZenTauren Can i get one?
@@matynosburitos you two, I have the same name on Discord. These are the last two I can give.
@@matynosburitos It's fine, they're handing them out much more often now.
"Man i wish somebody would make a mod!"
Kid named Garry:
s&box is it's own thing, it's not a hl:a mod, and it's why it isn't dependent on any Valve assets. They use source 2 because it's more intuitive than UE
The only thing I hate is this invite system for getting keys, I've tried to get a key in 2021 I believe - no luck
Hope this new system will be better or just make pre-orders Garry, please.
The game isn't even close to what I would say early access, maybe even Beta. There are changes everywhere all the time and I doubt it will release anytime soon. That's why the current state of it is oriented to developers
It's roblox/scratch done right/better with roots in a multi million games company
I'm so sad that I lost my key despite logging in literally a day before they're revoking inactive user access but maybe it's just timezone
“Wanna see me make a mod?
Wanna see me do it again?”
sandbox lets you create game inside the platform without having to pay another license like in source 1. this is a massive boost for any creators that want to publish their game on steam using source 2.
They're looking into standalone game support
No steam workshop is 100% a point I am... very much not liking.
The b e a n s look like something out of Rick and Morty
sandbox uses the source2 version from HL:A. they've been making so many changes in the engine itself that they've become another branch of source2 version.
valve could give them the updated source2 from cs2 if they wishes so, though idk if that's a possible.