I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. As a person who is currently going through the transition of being a person who just goes to church and listens to whatever is being said (bordering on being a cult) as opposed to listening and scrutinizing their ( the leaders) interpretation of the word, this has been eye opening and validating.
I just found this channel, and I'm glad I did. I'm on binge watch right now. I wonder why the views are not as much. More so the subbies, but I'll do my part and share this channel. You deserve more, and I know your moment will come to have 100k. This particular episode will hit a nerve of so many people in my church. I always say as much as I respect my church leaders, there's a level of my loyalty that only lies with God than with the human before me. I'll never compromise my relationship with God just to please a man.
I am committed to God, but church is part of my community. In whatever province I leave in, ill choose Methodist. As for leaders, they are people just like us, but assigned to lead us, not us to worship.
Wow powerful conversation you guys had and it’s true what was Given saying it is important that you have Personal relationship with God not with your church
This is just so provoking. Can Given please recommend the material by John G Lake that he listened to? I would really like to go through it. What stood out for me the most is the last part of the conversation which speaks about the "barrier to entry". Some hard food for thought! Thank you!
I loved this conversation so much especially someone like me who went through all of that Given said. I am so happy I got to know this channel very informative and profound topics I love it❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 Keep on doing the Good work 🤍
I love the host and the channel. Given sounds like a person who really knows church and understands the importance of this topic and how deep it is but I also get the sense that the host doesn’t know much about church and it made the episode uncomfortable in a way. But thats just my 2c 🤷🏽♀️
Imagine someone says I release your blessings. Christ is the only one with keys to our blessings. We need to study the bible so that we are not naive as black people.
There is a big difference between being spiritual and being religious. Generally Africans are spiritual and we pray to and worship the creator and we received blessings from our creator e.g. rain ceremonies. In contrast religion is a billion dollar material (real estate and other assets) industry. Religion is a western culture vehicle used by the colonialists in the past as an advance team to mobilise communities, tame them, divide them into different denominations and rob them of their resources using tithing, monetary and non-monetary contributions, and seeding. Networks were formed within denominations to assist church members and attract new members into the denomination otherwise if you don't belong to a denomination you will be left out dry and desperately poor. Our African people have joined the bandwagon for self enrichment. Some churches have evolved into cults and you will be hooked for life until you get a life changing experience and realise that you have been subtly scammed if you are that lucky to have your eyes opened. Unfortunately some African people see African culture as backward and oppressive especially to women and see Western culture as superior and a way to prosperity and to liberate them from our culture. But this always comes with a cost
Why are you not on radio or TV?
U are the air we need on screen and radio Maan
I am so hooked on this channel.....found it yesterday and I haven't looked back. High Quality product.
Brilliant conversation, guys. Very important in this cultish day and age. Thanks for bringing Given in front of the camera.
Tricky, yet vital chat. Carried it with so much respect and I appreciate that.
I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. As a person who is currently going through the transition of being a person who just goes to church and listens to whatever is being said (bordering on being a cult) as opposed to listening and scrutinizing their ( the leaders) interpretation of the word, this has been eye opening and validating.
I question mna... not directly to them as that could be viewed as defiant. But my personality doesn't allow me to take whatever...
I just found this channel, and I'm glad I did. I'm on binge watch right now. I wonder why the views are not as much. More so the subbies, but I'll do my part and share this channel. You deserve more, and I know your moment will come to have 100k. This particular episode will hit a nerve of so many people in my church. I always say as much as I respect my church leaders, there's a level of my loyalty that only lies with God than with the human before me. I'll never compromise my relationship with God just to please a man.
I left the church many years ago, & I haven't looked back since.
I watch these conversations daily, they always strike a cord👏👏👏👏👏
We will strive to continue to bring you the best content sis ♥️
I am committed to God, but church is part of my community. In whatever province I leave in, ill choose Methodist. As for leaders, they are people just like us, but assigned to lead us, not us to worship.
Thanks for this topic though touchy Given is so spot on. I definitely relate
Enjoyed listening to Given on this.
What an amazing Podcast! I learn so much ! Keep up the good work.
Great conversation. A lot of interesting points that still need to be unpacked
Thanks for this...Everything about this channel is what I have longed SA TH-cam to bring to us.
Wow powerful conversation you guys had and it’s true what was Given saying it is important that you have Personal relationship with God not with your church
I could listen to your guy's conversations forever ❤
“good plates are a standard” Preach Ps Given 😂
I loved the conversation a lot that was said I found I had once experienced and I have also learned so much.
Very insightful and crucial conversation, thank you for unpacking
This is just so provoking. Can Given please recommend the material by John G Lake that he listened to? I would really like to go through it.
What stood out for me the most is the last part of the conversation which speaks about the "barrier to entry". Some hard food for thought!
Thank you!
I loved this conversation so much especially someone like me who went through all of that Given said. I am so happy I got to know this channel very informative and profound topics I love it❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Keep on doing the Good work 🤍
Please try inviting Zizo Tshwete her conversations have substance
I love the host and the channel. Given sounds like a person who really knows church and understands the importance of this topic and how deep it is but I also get the sense that the host doesn’t know much about church and it made the episode uncomfortable in a way. But thats just my 2c 🤷🏽♀️
Imagine someone says I release your blessings. Christ is the only one with keys to our blessings. We need to study the bible so that we are not naive as black people.
There is a big difference between being spiritual and being religious. Generally Africans are spiritual and we pray to and worship the creator and we received blessings from our creator e.g. rain ceremonies. In contrast religion is a billion dollar material (real estate and other assets) industry. Religion is a western culture vehicle used by the colonialists in the past as an advance team to mobilise communities, tame them, divide them into different denominations and rob them of their resources using tithing, monetary and non-monetary contributions, and seeding. Networks were formed within denominations to assist church members and attract new members into the denomination otherwise if you don't belong to a denomination you will be left out dry and desperately poor. Our African people have joined the bandwagon for self enrichment. Some churches have evolved into cults and you will be hooked for life until you get a life changing experience and realise that you have been subtly scammed if you are that lucky to have your eyes opened. Unfortunately some African people see African culture as backward and oppressive especially to women and see Western culture as superior and a way to prosperity and to liberate them from our culture. But this always comes with a cost
Your conversations are brilliant I wish they were longer 🥲