Ronald! This is very informative. I learned a lot. So it would be awesome if you modified the pin buffer numbers (the pin to pap distances) and simulate to see what differences that makes for each ball. 👍
I find it interesting that the pin down hooked more, when the numbers should indicate that the pin up one should be the one that hooks more. Pin up had higher diffs which = more flare, which you said at the end of the video when you were talking about the track. What do you think is the reason for the pin down having more total boards?
what I take from this is that when you drill pin up even though it increases the differential that usually just increases the snap off of the pattern, pin down because the rg is lower it creates an earlier roll and creates more boards covered in total. Pin up increases rg pin down decreases.
I agree that placing the pin slightly above, below, or within the finger holes will usually result in more or less the same medium ball motion. Pin-up is with the pin UP, like 1-2" above/away from the fingers. And pin-down is with the pin DOWN, close to the midline.
You're not taking into account how pin up vs pin down differs in how they drill into the core and change core dynamics. It might not create a large difference in gross hook numbers but it can definitely affect carry if you're playing the 2 balls on the same line.
Hi Ronald, in trying out a Reactive Resin ball for the first time but the ball I'm using has the finger holes on the complete opposite side of the pin. It looks like it's a pin down configuration. From finger holes to pin is about 10.5 inches up to the pin. Measuring sideways from the finger holes is about 9 inches from the left side finger hole. From watching your video that configuration sounds completely wrong. Could you advise? Thanks
@@Ctdbowling thank you for the swift response. I'll head over to the Pro Shop and find out more. I think the ball is a Brunswick Vintage Danger Zone. I'm using it to find my PAP. Your work is amazing!!!👍👍👍
Tyrone From Wii Sports - judging from the video it didn’t make a huge difference. Granted if he would’ve used a higher pin up and a lower pin down we would probably see more differences
The differential values are in the video. Look at the bottom of the screen. We are showing how all of the numbers change and the impact of them. It's all there if you really want to dive into it.
Pin down starts to read sooner and that may work better for you. They also tend to have a smoother, less aggressive move off the spot. The overall hook may not change, but the shape and severity of the move changes.
Just wanted to say I appreciate you uploading these vids Ron. You deserve way more credit than given my brotha
Didn't hear it mentioned that the two are Symmetrical balls. Would like to see this done using Asymmetrical balls.
Lol that's tomorrow
Great videos. I had to learn this the hard way buying 6 symmetrical balls and not being able to notice a huge difference on pin up vs pin down.
Thanks, RHJ, for explaining in layman's terms what I'm sure many , many people wanted to know.
Thank you for the break down.
Ronald! This is very informative. I learned a lot. So it would be awesome if you modified the pin buffer numbers (the pin to pap distances) and simulate to see what differences that makes for each ball. 👍
Great tutorial!
I find it interesting that the pin down hooked more, when the numbers should indicate that the pin up one should be the one that hooks more. Pin up had higher diffs which = more flare, which you said at the end of the video when you were talking about the track. What do you think is the reason for the pin down having more total boards?
what I take from this is that when you drill pin up even though it increases the differential that usually just increases the snap off of the pattern, pin down because the rg is lower it creates an earlier roll and creates more boards covered in total. Pin up increases rg pin down decreases.
I agree that placing the pin slightly above, below, or within the finger holes will usually result in more or less the same medium ball motion.
Pin-up is with the pin UP, like 1-2" above/away from the fingers. And pin-down is with the pin DOWN, close to the midline.
Also one on different pin distance keeping drill and val angles constant. First on a sys and then on a asym.
You're not taking into account how pin up vs pin down differs in how they drill into the core and change core dynamics. It might not create a large difference in gross hook numbers but it can definitely affect carry if you're playing the 2 balls on the same line.
Actually the program shows numerically exactly how the core numbers are changed on all 3 axis by drilling.
Ron, do you have a similar video with a greater difference between your VAL angles, like a 70 vs. a 20?
And also, what is that software application and where does one get their hands on it?
Be careful with pin down, since weight holes are not allowed next year. Obviously, always make sure your stuff is in line with regulations.
Good point, can’t put those low holes in anymore to create more flare.
is there a difference if your using a regular grip instead of finger tip
Similar hook amount, but slightly different shape of the ball motion. As you say though, most wont notice difference.
Great video..just explained it perfect.
Hi Ronald, in trying out a Reactive Resin ball for the first time but the ball I'm using has the finger holes on the complete opposite side of the pin. It looks like it's a pin down configuration. From finger holes to pin is about 10.5 inches up to the pin. Measuring sideways from the finger holes is about 9 inches from the left side finger hole.
From watching your video that configuration sounds completely wrong. Could you advise? Thanks
It depends on what type of ball you have. Some balls are upside down. Check with a qualified pro shop. They will be able to tell you immediately
@@Ctdbowling thank you for the swift response. I'll head over to the Pro Shop and find out more. I think the ball is a Brunswick Vintage Danger Zone. I'm using it to find my PAP.
Your work is amazing!!!👍👍👍
What’s the performance difference for symmetrical and asymmetrical balls?
I will post a video on that today
Explain how pin up vs pin down changes differential and how that affects performance, much more specific than this video.
Tyrone From Wii Sports - judging from the video it didn’t make a huge difference. Granted if he would’ve used a higher pin up and a lower pin down we would probably see more differences
The differential values are in the video. Look at the bottom of the screen. We are showing how all of the numbers change and the impact of them. It's all there if you really want to dive into it.
Why does pin out seem too work best for me
Pin down starts to read sooner and that may work better for you. They also tend to have a smoother, less aggressive move off the spot. The overall hook may not change, but the shape and severity of the move changes.
@@MrMalditor ring finger pin out seems too work best for. Was not fan of pin down at reads too for me.
Where John John savoy at???
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If pin down tells you it gives more hook, why the bowling industry is saying pin up if you want more hook smh wtf lol 😂 I’m confused
it's all about your ball surface and the lane condition... don't care much about the lay out...