Am I the only one here who thinks that the Islamic scholars are not only educating their own people but also nourishing Christian and Jews scholars to fight atheism?
Realy good question. As muslim i feel that way. Just look up how muslims is treated from China, india, Middle east, EU and USA today. All i can say is we are living in intrestesting times. It's not like we islam or muslims is in power in any way shade or form. (No, Saudi arabia familey, united arab emirates is just a toy for the people in power).. Have good one brother. p.s sorry for my english, it's my third language
at certain point, everything just comes from the heart without the mind having to polute it, this is real speaking, no mather who you speak with theres only one God one end
I was talking to my co worker about how atheism leads to nihilism. She replied with “well religion has problems too.” I cant believe people aren’t outraged with the absurdities born out of the assumption that random blind processes is our creator.
@Furious Taco Warrior It is infinite in space. Infinite number of planets. But it is likely life didn't appear suddenly, rather it had to evolve from simpler self replicating molecules.
@Furious Taco Warrior There is no before the big bang if time didn't exist as you say. In eternalism the universe doesn't appear at the beginning, rather the beginning is the earliest point in time. Try to understand that difference. Eternalism is more logically consistent than presentism and is confirmed by relativity. It means spacetime is an static object that cannot be created or destroyed. Assuming an infinite past instead, infinite regress is not a problem in eternalism, just like infinite space is not a problem in presentism. I agree with a necessary existance. That has to be reality itself, which the universe is only a part of. There is nothing necessary about god having preferences, morality, dogma and other flavor.
YOU ARE RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. UNFORTUNATELY, IT CURRENTLY HAS THE WORST FOLLOWERS... FROM THE TOP DOWN ACROSS THE MUSLIM WORLD. ISLAM IS POWERFUL, AND MOST IMPRESSIVE, TO AN OPEN MIND AND HEART.
The people who say that Atheism has nothing to do with Nihilism have not really paid attention. When you say there is no God it means that there is no objective morality, value or purpose, therefore you will try to create your own meaning which in reality has no real meaning, therefore, you will fall into this black hole of Nihilism.
@@scarfhs1 Because if you say that God doesn't exist then morality becomes a man-made, subjective set of principles that differs in various eras and times, what might seem wrong according to someone might be right according to someone else, but when you believe there is a God then one and only entity will define what is right and wrong that doesn't change or adapt.
Alhamdulillah... I got to see this video... It's so shameful... I was slowly drifting towards skepticism and nihilism but MashaAllah you presented really good arguments JazakAllahu Khair to everyone involved in this video
You cannot debunk atheism using faith. Faith is the belief in something without evidence, atheism is purely evidence-based there is no proof of God therefore to The Atheist he does not exist. You have faith that he exists because you read a book that says so. Trying to debunk one another is pointless you either believe or you don't. Agree to disagree and get on with your life.
@@mohamedkhider6998 As a few thinkers have pointed out Nietzsche was revealing through his fiction and poetry the demons he was wrestling with in his own subconscious or soul. He was alarmed by the perception that humanity, or at least European humanity had lost its faith in metaphysical providence. With no God we must create our own values and discipline and comfort ourselves, since life then has no preset meaning and no super being. I am pretty sure that it contributed to his actual losing of his mind that happened before he died.
@@thenowchurch6419 yes yes!!! I totally get what u wrote in the second part ( when u mentioned values ) That basically destroys atheism I've heard that Nietzsche admitted that he can't give a proper explanation to the origin of ( morality/rationality) other than it's given from god .. that's basically saying that atheism is based on nothing but crap How can you deny the existing of " god " yet he's the one that gave you the ability to reason/ to be rational
@@mohamedkhider6998 He should have never accepted atheism. I think he was converted to atheism from reading Schopenhauer, another brilliant but mad man.
Hey Saboor. This video was recommended to me from a follower of yours in a comment thread on a video of your recent debate with Alex O'Connor. Thank you for this video and your ideas. Your perspective is different from any I've heard before, and I find it useful. I'll have to watch this again on another day, and think about how to constructively contribute to the conversation, before adding a substantive comment. However, we both agree that this is an important conversation to be having, which is a good starting point. I wish you the best, friend.
This man will make the unbelievers to think twice, and has a big future that may the intellect people will follow his method in thinking , may Allah bless him and give him more knowledge , Ameen
@@criticalcommunist5 Islam is against racism and any kind of supremacy except supremacy of doing good which is a good thing. You are enjoying teachings of the cavemen until this very day, don’t play this stupid “if it’s old then it’s bad” game with us you hypocritical pajeet.
Wallahi this is true that whoever turns away from Allah will have a depressed life! Oh Allah please grant us the your mercy, light and peace in our hearts
@@m.mohtashim2000 He does not know what atheism is, nor does he justify that atheism leads to a Nihilism. ( I doesnt, that is a lie). He also has several strawman fallacies and non sequiturs. He also said that meaning, value etc MUST come outside, this is of course nonsense. He says if WE give something these things, that it is arbitrary, this if of course also a lie. He also makes several arguments from authority fallacies. he also strawman atheist , trying to say we are evolutionists ( or Darwinists as he so dishonestly or ignorantly put it, Darwinists is something completely different) and that we believe that something came from nothing etc etc. I could go on all day. This is all I bothered with now.
Iv recently started watching a lot of these dawah videos and generally enjoying them, even though I may not always like the arrogance/style which some speakers use. But I cannot fault Saboor. So calm, composed and eloquent in the way he presents his points. He seems to have a nice aura and as my mum would say “he radiates light”. May Allah support and bestow his mercy on him and guide us all.
Wow, you just explained the concept of GOING DARK by David Goggins. Which is basically doing the opposite of escapism and letting the dark clouds of nihilism form to craft a subjective purpose. Mindblowing!
MashAllah!!! When you showed the quote from Ernest Becker, BOOM! I pictured how we have everything In life (fish) in our western countries, and yet so unhappy and stopping to procreate. I.e. Italy's population decreasing etc
*_”Is someone who was dead, who We then brought to life and made for them a light by which they walk among people, comparable to someone who is trapped in total darkness, with no way to escape from it? It just goes to show how atheists are addicted to their own habits!”_* _(The Quran, __6:12__2)_
I wanted to purchase the book from hamza together with forbidden prophecies on the Iera website but I dont have a creditcard to purchase for the shipping costs. Also none reply by mail or Twitter. Is there any other way to purchase ? Insha Allah I will soon receive these books.
جــزاكـم الــلــه خــيــراً عـلـى الـتـرجـمـة لـلـغـة الـعـربـيـة😍🤩💛 We really appreciate your efforts and we appreciate the Arabic subtitle in ur videos, thank you guys 🖤🖤🖤
This video was 3 years back, when New Atheism was only sprouting. After 3 years, Mohammed Hijab, Subbor Ahmad, and Muslim intellectuals of their likes have demolished New Atheism on an academic level - and now Neil deGrasse talks about "mind-blowing things they will not teach you in schools" as podcasts. How very sad.
What is new in atheism? If there were a deity, don't you think it would be competent to let everyone know? Religious belief is artificial light. As if one should respect the suggestion, we all travel with one foot in fantasyland, using a fantasyland vocabulary. You know them by their works, so what does it tell you about those advocating prayer? Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital. Who advocates faith, when it is worthless if you can't move mountains using faith & verbal commands to landscape? What kind of person speaks of god as if we did not have a saying: God helps those helping themselves, because gods have a perfect record of doing nothing, outside of fiction. No wonder Feud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy.
Listen All aethist here...And nihilist Arguing here down....if u loose your two eyes tomorrow....Will u keep all the arguments of yours about ur life ???
Few issues with the making up your own purpose view : 1) purpose is being conflated with temporal goals one sets for themselves, 2) purpose ought to explain your reason for being, 3) I think all things that are the same in essence have the same same purpose.
Islam is really the perfect combination of 1. finding a objective meaning outside of yourself, and 2. a meaning that is grounded in solid proof and evidence.
I take issue with the second point. No religion with metaphysical claims, is grounded in solid proof and evidence. Your meaning is coming from faith, not empirical/verifiable evidence.
Well this is easy to debunk.......is slavery and wife beating 'morally good'? Because your God seems to think so, but the human race does not. So square that circle.
@@karlazeen this isn't something you can or can't believe. that was a subjective feeling which i felt at the moment and doesn't need anyone to believe, lol... what was a gotcha for you in this video?
@@Abdullah_hakim No like I'm surprised you thought that was a good point it's really not, we asign different kinds of value to different things in society and us being a social species who evolved to stick together for survival it's obvious that we would value human lives over that of a doll.
@@Abdullah_hakim Well not really, one object as more things making it up than the other so in that sense humans can be see as more valuable than dolls because they're made up of more materials however generally naturalism and materialism aren't useful for building stable societies in that sense that's what secular humanism is for.
@@karlazeen @karlazeen yeah, that's why he said that one must see both the doll and the living human as the same thing if they want to strictly adhere the principle of materialism/naturalism and eventually nihilism.
No such thing as a worldview for atheism. Atheism is a position, not a worldview. It is the position of suspending acknowledgement of the existence of gods until sufficient evidence can be presented.
@@zainsaif4929 Are you an idiot? You don't think that gravity is observed? I have every reason to acknowledge the existence of gravity. There is not a moment when I am awake that I am not observing gravity. Tell me, please fucking tell me that I (or you) have _no good reason_ to acknowledge gravity. Please tell me that. I want to actually state that. You will not do so and that will demonstrate your COWARDICE. WATCH!!
"i don't know" is not truth it is an irrational position based on ignorance , the truth is that we exist and we know the universe had a beginning and begin to exist and everything that we've/we can observe and we know that exist are contingent or merely "possible" there are contigent things contigent things can cause other contigent things but there can't only be contigent things because that would mean that there's an infinite regress of contigency,and a possiblity that nothing might have existed An infnite regress is imposible Thus it needs an external cause Since that external cause has to be outside the whole aggregate of contingent things, it cannot itself be contingent. So it is necessary and the external cause must be uncause because that would mean that there's an infinite regress this is the most rational and logical explaination for the existence of the universe we call the uncause cause The Creator,,The Maker,The Originator,The Initiator
@@_eLf45 The Creator is Just! He made Himself known through Scripture of His existence n His Attributes although He has not revealed Himself so that we can exercise our unbiased faith in Him by adhereing n following His Commandments n guidance by emulating His prophets ! We should take the initiative to explore n experiment scientifically applying His existence n conclude queries of life n mysteries in our lifetime instead of denying Him n coming up with ''we do not know yet or we do not have sufficient concrete evidence" which clearly denotes stubborn ignorance!
Albert Pike, "We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil."
The idea that atheism would mean you have no values, purpose or hope is nonesensical. It only means you live by your own values and purpose, not by what some man wrote in a book over 2000 years ago. Steve Jobs said it best, everything that was created or said before you, was created or said by a man no smarter than you. By this philosophy which i think is very valid, your values and purpose is something you yourself create or live by. Does this mean the values and purpose of every man will be of the good kind? Of course not, but it would be extremely biased to make the argument that every man that lives by for example Islamic, Christian or Jewish values is practicing a doctrine that's only good. ''What is reality? Obviously no one can TELL, because it isn't words.'' - Alan Watts
Person 1864308244 Not all birds fly The Birds that do fly, do so because that is what they have evolved to do. Rights is not even a consideration in this matter Rights are a human construct , they exist only in our minds, and we grant rights to each other. Every religious person tends to stick with their religion .... your just following that trend .
@@mickqQ Your rights mean nothing. If that were the case. Just because more people agree to the concept does not make it true. So you're nothing by your own admission. My condolences.
Sylas Grayson My rights mean as much as anyone else, That’s why they are rights. You might claim that your rights come from a god, but what use us that when someone says my rights over rule your rights, because my god ! Gods exist only in the minds of believers
@@test-wj7tl Do I have a god-belief? No! Am I a Nihilist? No! Of course not. Only an idiot would make such a stupid assertion. But then, what else is Subboor?
@@StopSpammingOriginal You must be delusional, I clearly said that IF you are one to explain. Did I say that you are one? Do you need a dictionary to find meanings of words?
Make mercy thy mosque, faith thy prayer-mat, what is just and lawful, thy Quran, modesty thy circumcision and civility thy fast. So shalt thou be a Moslem. Make right conduct thy Mecca, truth thy spiritual guide and pious deeds thy creed and prayer." (Guru Nanak, Slok, pg. 140) "There are five prayers, five times for prayers, and the five have five names. The first is truthfulness, second the honest earning and third charity in God's Name. The fourth is pure intent and mind, and the fifth the Lord's admiration and praise. Repeat thou the creed of good deeds, and then call thyself a Moslem." (Guru Nanak, pg.141)
Being an Atheist (or in my case rather "agnostic") is not a "choice". If there was a clear indication that a being like (a) God exists I would have no problems in acknowledging it. Fact is that none of the big three is giving a decent hint on his existence nor does any other religion I heard of. Saying that our purpose is "to serve him" is simply far to shallow. In the case of Islam the self serving purpose of the Quran is all to obvious (to outsiders at least). Why should personal matters of Mohamed, like on how his women should behave (33:52) or the house order of Mohamed (33:53) show up in a book meant to be for "for all mankind" ? I could as well post pictures of my cat and declare it "a sign for believers".
If one is seeking a physical tangible proof for the Creator, that means the person is assuming the Creator is something physical and tangible. To believe that the Creator is something physical and tangible is a logical absurdity. The proof for the existence of the Creator is: 1) The world is (it exists) 2) The world can't be beginningless (for that would lead to the absurdity of an infinite regression) 3) The world can''t be self-created (the non-existent can't bring something into being (or bring itself into being)) Hence--one concludes that something other than the world brought the world into being. And that One would not be subject to what all phenomena is subject to--such as, time, origination, change, space, size, etc. And from this, it would be known that the Creator isn't something tangible or physical (or spatial).
@Marco Hammurabi I would not agree on this logic. Take for example "O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness." The sentence is clearly about Mohamed's house, not about "anybodies" house. If this sentence was "addressed to the whole mankind" it could be much clearer with a different wording. So in other words: it's only 'for' and 'about' Mohamed.
Why do we exist ? This question is asked by those who are suffering. When one is absolutely blissful within themselves for no reason then this question never arises.
If you think that humans will not die and live forever then this question may not arise at any point in your life. However, if you don't, and unfortunately that's the reality that you'll eventually die one day, then this question that you're calling a 'suffering' WILL arise at some point in your life. You can have the most luxurious life, sleep with million partners, earn zillion Dollars, but still remain unhappy, depressed because these 'Materialistic' entities are not nourishing your soul, they're just nourishing your physical body which will eventually be the food of insects.
When I listen to Subboor I think 'is he stuck in the 19th century? We've moved on from' Darwinism'. He seems to deliberately avoid modern science and philosophy in order to cherry pick out of date arguments, no one is actually making, simple to avoid having to provide any evidence at all for his God. Like all the apologists, they can get to Deism, the idea there is a creator, but they can't seem to get from Deism to Islam, or Christianity, or Vahalla. That's the leap of 'faith'.
How incredibly anecdotal and specific, taking a fascinating case study of a man who goes from a religious background to an atheist and back, which, is a far point to levy but is also incredibly misleading. Human’s aren’t so flat and simple that deciding to be an atheist means that there isn’t a long term goal or loss of reason for ones actions. The context of the entire “God is dead” statement is so much deeper that just “no god is bad”, it in fact was both a thought experiment and exploration of a pantheistic world (a world based on many gods as an argument against the idea of one god and a harmonious universe). Nietzsche also wasn’t saying that a world without god would lead to an existential crisis, he both implicitly and extremely explicitly used it to question how morality will change due to a dechristianisation of laws and teachings in everyday life. the motivation we ascribe to power cannot and does not rely on objective facts. it’s ridiculous and straw man like to say that only looking at goals set by what we consider a higher power are powerful when, if one is motivated enough, a goal set by oneself is incredible. It’s frankly insane how much context is ignored here, especially with your constant mention of Europe’s shift to atheist ideals. the most cited reason for atheistic shifts, especially in the west, is the first (or second) world war, this incredible loss of life and brutal slaughter caused many to lose their faith and abandon the worship of a God who stood by and let it happen. Science is objectively a worldview, your excellently misleading point of mathematics being unilateral doesn’t apply since looking at the world scientifically is just the simple way of being able to actually and perfectly explain why something happens in the universe, insignificant or not. nice job speaking about all atheists like it’s a unified group such as catholics or sunnis and not simply believing that there isn’t a God. You’ve declared that atheistic goals (making a change in the world based on ones own decision or motivation) is an invalid idea, based on assuming and generalising about people going “it’s all just atoms” and saying that people thinking about that, something; that I and many other atheists I know consider a lot, makes us thinks there is no motivation or reason for anything. On the point of motivation, saying that motivation or drive becomes fallacy under a scientific perspective is nearsighted since we tend to cite wants or needs, caused by an incredible amount of chemical reactions causing serotonin production. I simple terms: we like doing good because we’ve been taught to be good or know right, and therefore do things to do good with or without a faith. Hell! Nihilism doesn’t even refer to one way of thinking, you should say existential nihilism! because actually at least seven (some are in debate) Jesus this is so tunnel visioned and disregarding of the multifaceted nature of human beings and our wants, motivations and cares. You’re acting like american atheism (the kind of atheism that tries to convince you to become atheist) is all atheism or in anyway a consistent mentality.
@Psych Slow It's not but ok. American atheism is the typical brand of atheism that you see going out and taking the same sort of spirt of evangelization but use it for atheism. ie going up to someone in a hijab and acting like it's an outdated and sexist tradition that isn't done by choice. I branded it amercian atheism beacuse it's typically atheists from america that I see acting like their way of life or beliefs are superior.
@@peacefulpresentation8330 it is ok brother i don't know if brother suboor is totally right or not if you know about philosophy and logical fallacies can you recommend some for starting for a beginner. I think many atheists are actually ok people just like many Muslims are ok people but atheists life Richard Dawkins have this superior mentality delusion of it like atheists are the only people who are right and they use Darwin's theory to prove themselves right but you should also look at all books and all the evidence and to to put all of your biases aside to come to a conclusion read the quran and hadith if you have a problem with something you thing is immoral ask an expert about it or check on TH-cam for people explaining that by Muslims like Asadullah Ali from Andalusian project,Nouman Ali Khan etc. i hope Allah guides you
@@burraq1.032 if you’re looking to start into philosophy there’s a series on youtube called: “What is Philosophy?: Crash Course Philosophy” which will give you a solid foundation for reading other materials written by philosophic scholars like plato. I agree with you whole heartedly that there are atheists with a sense of innate superiority and that is wrong. everyone’s view should be considered equally, however i feel that verifiable fact should always take precedent. the teachings of the prophet Mohammad supposedly given to him by god are generally some very well thought out and rational guidelines for living and treating others. of course i have my reservations with some teaching but that point still stands.
Am I the only one here who thinks that the Islamic scholars are not only educating their own people but also nourishing Christian and Jews scholars to fight atheism?
In Al-andalus it was common knowledge that Jews and Muslim scholars studied each other's arguments.
Jon Snow we were and are here for the people of the book.
Realy good question. As muslim i feel that way. Just look up how muslims is treated from China, india, Middle east, EU and USA today. All i can say is we are living in intrestesting times. It's not like we islam or muslims is in power in any way shade or form. (No, Saudi arabia familey, united arab emirates is just a toy for the people in power)..
Have good one brother.
p.s sorry for my english, it's my third language
@@fafafais what's your 2nd language?
at certain point, everything just comes from the heart without the mind having to polute it, this is real speaking, no mather who you speak with theres only one God one end
I was talking to my co worker about how atheism leads to nihilism. She replied with “well religion has problems too.” I cant believe people aren’t outraged with the absurdities born out of the assumption that random blind processes is our creator.
can you dumb down what u mean after the fullstop
If chance seems like a problem, infinity is gives you all the tries you need.
@Furious Taco Warrior
It is infinite in space. Infinite number of planets. But it is likely life didn't appear suddenly, rather it had to evolve from simpler self replicating molecules.
@Furious Taco Warrior
There is no before the big bang if time didn't exist as you say. In eternalism the universe doesn't appear at the beginning, rather the beginning is the earliest point in time. Try to understand that difference. Eternalism is more logically consistent than presentism and is confirmed by relativity. It means spacetime is an static object that cannot be created or destroyed. Assuming an infinite past instead, infinite regress is not a problem in eternalism, just like infinite space is not a problem in presentism. I agree with a necessary existance. That has to be reality itself, which the universe is only a part of. There is nothing necessary about god having preferences, morality, dogma and other flavor.
Islam is an essential powerful religion
YOU ARE RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. UNFORTUNATELY, IT CURRENTLY HAS THE WORST FOLLOWERS... FROM THE TOP DOWN ACROSS THE MUSLIM WORLD. ISLAM IS POWERFUL, AND MOST IMPRESSIVE, TO AN OPEN MIND AND HEART.
@@israelmorris1789 islam is full of scientific innacuracies
@@gunitsingh6035 Islam destroys whatever you're onto.
@@gunitsingh6035 what are some examples of that
The people who say that Atheism has nothing to do with Nihilism have not really paid attention. When you say there is no God it means that there is no objective morality, value or purpose, therefore you will try to create your own meaning which in reality has no real meaning, therefore, you will fall into this black hole of Nihilism.
VERY WELL SAID BROTHER!.
@@israelmorris1789 I'm not a brother, I'm a sister.
What makes you think a god existing means there is objective morality?
@@scarfhs1 Because if you say that God doesn't exist then morality becomes a man-made, subjective set of principles that differs in various eras and times, what might seem wrong according to someone might be right according to someone else, but when you believe there is a God then one and only entity will define what is right and wrong that doesn't change or adapt.
oop's!. so sorry sis.
Alhamdulillah... I got to see this video... It's so shameful... I was slowly drifting towards skepticism and nihilism but MashaAllah you presented really good arguments
JazakAllahu Khair to everyone involved in this video
Totally , manipulated comment to distract low cognitive viewers
@@criticalcommunist5 what do you mean?
@@criticalcommunist5 just leave nationalism aside and think have you got the meaning of life??
@@Kihalchal786 forget about nationalism supporting RSS and BJP like groups is their main goal in life anything comes after that
I’m a Christian but man I love listening to Subboor debating/refuting atheists. He’s very likable.
We have a common goal against this ideology my friends Shalom
Too bad he clueless and can't refute atheists.
You cannot debunk atheism using faith. Faith is the belief in something without evidence, atheism is purely evidence-based there is no proof of God therefore to The Atheist he does not exist. You have faith that he exists because you read a book that says so. Trying to debunk one another is pointless you either believe or you don't. Agree to disagree and get on with your life.
@@heavyd2827 what if I bring you evidence from that book which Shows that god is true
@@heavyd2827 never talk about a book until you have read it
Nietzsche himself was the madman of his parable.
He did not have an answer but he knew something was wrong.
How so?
@@mohamedkhider6998 As a few thinkers have pointed out Nietzsche was revealing through his fiction and poetry the demons he was wrestling with in his own subconscious or soul.
He was alarmed by the perception that humanity, or at least European humanity had lost its faith in metaphysical providence.
With no God we must create our own values and discipline and comfort ourselves, since life then has no preset meaning and no super being.
I am pretty sure that it contributed to his actual losing of his mind that happened before he died.
@@thenowchurch6419 yes yes!!!
I totally get what u wrote in the second part ( when u mentioned values )
That basically destroys atheism
I've heard that Nietzsche admitted that he can't give a proper explanation to the origin of ( morality/rationality) other than it's given from god .. that's basically saying that atheism is based on nothing but crap
How can you deny the existing of " god " yet he's the one that gave you the ability to reason/ to be rational
@@mohamedkhider6998 He should have never accepted atheism.
I think he was converted to atheism from reading Schopenhauer, another brilliant but mad man.
@@thenowchurch6419who's that??? Another atheist or whut
Hey Saboor. This video was recommended to me from a follower of yours in a comment thread on a video of your recent debate with Alex O'Connor. Thank you for this video and your ideas. Your perspective is different from any I've heard before, and I find it useful.
I'll have to watch this again on another day, and think about how to constructively contribute to the conversation, before adding a substantive comment. However, we both agree that this is an important conversation to be having, which is a good starting point. I wish you the best, friend.
this world needs more people like you 👍👍👍
Hi John, thanks for your comment, please contact me on s.ahmad@iera.org I want to talk with you
Respect to you my brother in humanity. You seem like a good person who seeks the Truth. May Allah guide you to the straight path 😊
This man will make the unbelievers to think twice, and has a big future that may the intellect people will follow his method in thinking , may Allah bless him and give him more knowledge , Ameen
Seriously, this man is so dishonest and so full of logical fallacies it's disgusting how he outright lies in this speech.
@@nilswagner1536 they are only enjoying their false supremacy and pride of false religion made in 6th century .
@@criticalcommunist5 Islam is against racism and any kind of supremacy except supremacy of doing good which is a good thing.
You are enjoying teachings of the cavemen until this very day, don’t play this stupid “if it’s old then it’s bad” game with us you hypocritical pajeet.
First he needs to get educated on the topic.
@@SherXP I guess bombing things is a good thing then.
Very powerful words in the end about soul
YOU ARE RIGHT.
Wallahi this is true that whoever turns away from Allah will have a depressed life! Oh Allah please grant us the your mercy, light and peace in our hearts
I am hooked on sabburs talks like some are hooked on music
Yeah ... Different kind of music..
Same
@@asharayub4636 may Allah bless you my brother ashar
Alhamdullilah Yet another blessing.
Same. This man is special.
Pressed like and I ain’t even watched it yet!! Saboor is the man who doesn’t need proof reading!! 😂
I am glad you don't let your opinions be affected by evidence.
Gary Heron 😂
Seriously, this man is so dishonest and so full of logical fallacies it's disgusting how he outright lies in this speech.
@@nilswagner1536 Really? What logical fallacies and lies did he say?
@@m.mohtashim2000
He does not know what atheism is, nor does he justify that atheism leads to a Nihilism. ( I doesnt, that is a lie).
He also has several strawman fallacies and non sequiturs.
He also said that meaning, value etc MUST come outside, this is of course nonsense. He says if WE give something these things, that it is arbitrary, this if of course also a lie.
He also makes several arguments from authority fallacies.
he also strawman atheist , trying to say we are evolutionists ( or Darwinists as he so dishonestly or ignorantly put it, Darwinists is something completely different) and that we believe that something came from nothing etc etc.
I could go on all day. This is all I bothered with now.
Iv recently started watching a lot of these dawah videos and generally enjoying them, even though I may not always like the arrogance/style which some speakers use. But I cannot fault Saboor. So calm, composed and eloquent in the way he presents his points. He seems to have a nice aura and as my mum would say “he radiates light”. May Allah support and bestow his mercy on him and guide us all.
Recently found this brother. He has an excellent message and his delivery is intelligent
Wow, you just explained the concept of GOING DARK by David Goggins. Which is basically doing the opposite of escapism and letting the dark clouds of nihilism form to craft a subjective purpose. Mindblowing!
May Allah Almighty reward you brother, you are doing a great job.
Either during the nihilism period or after it sounds like a perfect time for dajjal to come.
MashAllah!!!
When you showed the quote from Ernest Becker, BOOM! I pictured how we have everything In life (fish) in our western countries, and yet so unhappy and stopping to procreate. I.e. Italy's population decreasing etc
Very insightful and thought provoking talk MashAllah. May Allah SWT give barkat in your knowledge and make you a means of hidayat for the ummah Ameen
May Allah swt for you, bless you shaykh, keep you guided and strong in iman, always Ameen ya Rabb ❤️
I like the big (gest) issues to be simplified like this ! Thank you. Peace !
And dark makes you fall.... plunge headlong into everlasting embarrassment.
Oh God keep me in light!
Ameen ya Allah
@navid ahmad these words don't suit your name. I am surprised... naam ka hee pass rukhkh liya hota
*_”Is someone who was dead, who We then brought to life and made for them a light by which they walk among people, comparable to someone who is trapped in total darkness, with no way to escape from it? It just goes to show how atheists are addicted to their own habits!”_*
_(The Quran, __6:12__2)_
Jazakallah o khaira. Mashallah may Allah increase you in faith and true understanding of Islam, prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W) and itself.
جزاك الله خيرا واحسن الجزا 🌺
You made the difficult concepts snap easy!
Mahallah, May Allah bless us All with Iman, and his remembrance.
I wanted to purchase the book from hamza together with forbidden prophecies on the Iera website but I dont have a creditcard to purchase for the shipping costs. Also none reply by mail or Twitter. Is there any other way to purchase ? Insha Allah I will soon receive these books.
omwu1 www.onereason.org
I purchased it for 5AuD on kindle
@@saherhafiz330 Audio or Ebook ?
What you have said is how I think but you have articulated the points in a very clear and intellectual way.
Very informative speech. I love you Br Subboor.
May Allah bless you and reward you with Paradise.
Please write books brother Suboor I'll gladly buy them😌. Or he already has?
A good talk, I see aetheism will end in the next generation insha'Allah
Maybe aetheism will end, but not atheism
@@thegazed8066 yes I think you meant maybe aetheism will end
Lots of good points in this one. Bravo Subboor.
Very enlightening! May Allah swt reward this brother immensely!
am Muslim but when I tried to remove Islam from my heart, this is where I ended up.
There's a mistake in the Arabic captions at 14:09 the word "unhappy" is translated as "سعيد" which is the total opposite.
I love you all, brothers.
All Egyptians pray for Allah to bless your efforts.
Fantastic talk brother... Jazak'Allahu khairan
Jazakallahu Khayran Ahsanul Jaza
جزاكم الله خيرا
Thank you, Subboor brother, for an important topic and a beautiful presentation ❤️❤️❤️
جــزاكـم الــلــه خــيــراً عـلـى الـتـرجـمـة لـلـغـة الـعـربـيـة😍🤩💛
We really appreciate your efforts and we appreciate the Arabic subtitle in ur videos, thank you guys 🖤🖤🖤
This video was 3 years back, when New Atheism was only sprouting. After 3 years, Mohammed Hijab, Subbor Ahmad, and Muslim intellectuals of their likes have demolished New Atheism on an academic level - and now Neil deGrasse talks about "mind-blowing things they will not teach you in schools" as podcasts. How very sad.
What is new in atheism?
If there were a deity, don't you think it would be competent to let everyone know?
Religious belief is artificial light.
As if one should respect the suggestion, we all travel with one foot in fantasyland, using a fantasyland vocabulary.
You know them by their works, so what does it tell you about those advocating prayer? Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital.
Who advocates faith, when it is worthless if you can't move mountains using faith & verbal commands to landscape?
What kind of person speaks of god as if we did not have a saying: God helps those helping themselves, because gods have a perfect record of doing nothing, outside of fiction.
No wonder Feud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy.
You are amazing brother, god bless you .
Touched my heart👍👍👍
Please we want more translated videos of Saboor
Salam Bro your rockin the Pakol, Mashallah:)
Masha Allah
Excellent lecture. Thank you.
Listen All aethist here...And nihilist
Arguing here down....if u loose your two eyes tomorrow....Will u keep all the arguments of yours about ur life ???
Wow..that was something...I will listen to this again tomorrow.... Thought provoking...I m struggling with my faith so much
Excellent mashaAllah
😊 thanks 🤲🏽
Love you in the sake of Allah saboor and all iEra members
Where is Subboor ahmad originally from?
Bani Adam
Pakistan
Subboor is amazing may Allah protect him and preserve him and make more of him Inshallah.
YOUR RIGHT.
Few issues with the making up your own purpose view : 1) purpose is being conflated with temporal goals one sets for themselves, 2) purpose ought to explain your reason for being, 3) I think all things that are the same in essence have the same same purpose.
one more is Skepticsm before Nihilism, I guess😨
A very bright mind
Love the thumbnail 😅 on point for target audience
That suit and hat combo. Alhumabarik.
"A millionaire who has no friends is actually poor", well said.
for the 3rd time seeing this video because of how much i loved it
Islam is really the perfect combination of 1. finding a objective meaning outside of yourself, and 2. a meaning that is grounded in solid proof and evidence.
I take issue with the second point. No religion with metaphysical claims, is grounded in solid proof and evidence. Your meaning is coming from faith, not empirical/verifiable evidence.
Well this is easy to debunk.......is slavery and wife beating 'morally good'?
Because your God seems to think so, but the human race does not.
So square that circle.
Wow😳
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I know that no one will argue with saboor......
Theres just no point.
You already lost
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Oh wow!! 8:42-10:12 it smacked me right onto my head which is spinnig now..what an observation!! That's truly a scary thing.
I can't believe you think this was a gotcha.
@@karlazeen this isn't something you can or can't believe. that was a subjective feeling which i felt at the moment and doesn't need anyone to believe, lol...
what was a gotcha for you in this video?
@@Abdullah_hakim No like I'm surprised you thought that was a good point it's really not, we asign different kinds of value to different things in society and us being a social species who evolved to stick together for survival it's obvious that we would value human lives over that of a doll.
@@Abdullah_hakim Well not really, one object as more things making it up than the other so in that sense humans can be see as more valuable than dolls because they're made up of more materials however generally naturalism and materialism aren't useful for building stable societies in that sense that's what secular humanism is for.
@@karlazeen @karlazeen yeah, that's why he said that one must see both the doll and the living human as the same thing if they want to strictly adhere the principle of materialism/naturalism and eventually nihilism.
Mashallah
Dear Saboor i like your hat send me one...👨🦳 Your amazing we are learning new things through you.. may Allah give strength and more insight... 💪❤️👍
Can you provide the links to the academic papers blaming WW1 on nihilism?
No such thing as a worldview for atheism. Atheism is a position, not a worldview. It is the position of suspending acknowledgement of the existence of gods until sufficient evidence can be presented.
Then they should suspend gravity exist. Don’t they???
@@zainsaif4929 Are you an idiot? You don't think that gravity is observed? I have every reason to acknowledge the existence of gravity. There is not a moment when I am awake that I am not observing gravity.
Tell me, please fucking tell me that I (or you) have _no good reason_ to acknowledge gravity. Please tell me that. I want to actually state that. You will not do so and that will demonstrate your COWARDICE. WATCH!!
"i don't know" is not truth it is an irrational position based on ignorance ,
the truth is that we exist and we know the universe had a beginning and begin to exist
and everything that we've/we can observe and we know that exist are contingent
or merely "possible"
there are contigent things
contigent things can cause other contigent things
but there can't only be contigent things
because that would mean that there's an infinite regress
of contigency,and a possiblity that nothing might have existed
An infnite regress is imposible
Thus it needs an external cause
Since that external cause has to be outside the whole aggregate of contingent things, it cannot itself be contingent. So it is necessary and the external cause must be uncause because that would mean that there's an infinite regress
this is the most rational and logical explaination for the existence of the universe
we call the uncause cause
The Creator,,The Maker,The Originator,The Initiator
@@_eLf45 The Creator is Just! He made Himself known through Scripture of His existence n His Attributes although He has not revealed Himself so that we can exercise our unbiased faith in Him by adhereing n following His Commandments n guidance by emulating His prophets ! We should take the initiative to explore n experiment scientifically applying His existence n conclude queries of life n mysteries in our lifetime instead of denying Him n coming up with ''we do not know yet or we do not have sufficient concrete evidence" which clearly denotes stubborn ignorance!
@@_eLf45Also "I dont know" is a very rational position. Making assumptions is irrational. Which is what religions do.
What an amazing lecture !!!
Brother Sabur love you for the sake of Allah SWT. May Allah SWT give you tofeeq to smash this flimsy perspectives
My bro looking cool in the thumbnail
The Word...
Albert Pike, "We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil."
Sounds like a good idea when do we start 😃.
The idea that atheism would mean you have no values, purpose or hope is nonesensical. It only means you live by your own values and purpose, not by what some man wrote in a book over 2000 years ago. Steve Jobs said it best, everything that was created or said before you, was created or said by a man no smarter than you. By this philosophy which i think is very valid, your values and purpose is something you yourself create or live by. Does this mean the values and purpose of every man will be of the good kind? Of course not, but it would be extremely biased to make the argument that every man that lives by for example Islamic, Christian or Jewish values is practicing a doctrine that's only good. ''What is reality? Obviously no one can TELL, because it isn't words.'' - Alan Watts
barak Allah fuuk
To truly appreciate something you have to understand it's opposite.
.... thats why A.I have created. no need for imperfect humans any more.
So you're saying computer is better than human brain.
@@Sameer.K2 bro ... I was being sarcastic ... :-) I'm a Muslim...
MasyaAllah
JzkAllah Brother Saboor. Enlightening lecture. nihilism looks like "iblis ism"
The Dark Path of Nihilism to Religion
Things explained by religion(i.eIslam)is made complicated by Atheism and nihilism
This video changed my life from being an atheist to being an even more atheist!!
He aint got a clue
Oh no Poor u
the close-mindedness that atheists view the the theists the reality tell us the opposite 🤷🏻♂️
Please.. make Translate to Indonesia Language..
People really need to learn the difference between religion and reality.
Person 1864308244
Not all birds fly
The Birds that do fly, do so because that is what they have evolved to do.
Rights is not even a consideration in this matter
Rights are a human construct , they exist only in our minds, and we grant rights to each other.
Every religious person tends to stick with their religion .... your just following that trend .
@@mickqQ Your rights mean nothing. If that were the case. Just because more people agree to the concept does not make it true.
So you're nothing by your own admission. My condolences.
Sylas Grayson
My rights mean as much as anyone else,
That’s why they are rights.
You might claim that your rights come from a god, but what use us that when someone says my rights over rule your rights, because my god !
Gods exist only in the minds of believers
@@mickqQ lol ie. You are all equally worthless. You say you matter because you say so? Pfft.
@Abdulla -
I have no problem with evil
I’m as concerned about Allah and judgement , as I imagine you are about not getting into Valhalla
You're genius brother! That's true, Atheism makes no sense at all. May Allah guide people to the right path!
SYEDA. ATHEISM IS STUPID. YOUR RIGHT.
Makes more sense than islam.
Why not try something different: ask an atheist?
If you are one, please do tell us.
@@test-wj7tl Do I have a god-belief? No!
Am I a Nihilist? No! Of course not. Only an idiot would make such a stupid assertion. But then, what else is Subboor?
@@StopSpammingOriginal You must be delusional, I clearly said that IF you are one to explain. Did I say that you are one? Do you need a dictionary to find meanings of words?
When you use the word arbitrary, it makes me think you don’t understand the meaning of the word.
Make mercy thy mosque, faith thy prayer-mat, what is just and lawful, thy Quran, modesty thy circumcision and civility thy fast. So shalt thou be a Moslem. Make right conduct thy Mecca, truth thy spiritual guide and pious deeds thy creed and prayer." (Guru Nanak, Slok, pg. 140)
"There are five prayers, five times for prayers, and the five have five names. The first is truthfulness, second the honest earning and third charity in God's Name. The fourth is pure intent and mind, and the fifth the Lord's admiration and praise. Repeat thou the creed of good deeds, and then call thyself a Moslem." (Guru Nanak, pg.141)
@17:50 The failing Ethics.
not true at all
Being an Atheist (or in my case rather "agnostic") is not a "choice". If there was a clear indication that a being like (a) God exists I would have no problems in acknowledging it.
Fact is that none of the big three is giving a decent hint on his existence nor does any other religion I heard of. Saying that our purpose is "to serve him" is simply far to shallow.
In the case of Islam the self serving purpose of the Quran is all to obvious (to outsiders at least). Why should personal matters of Mohamed, like on how his women should behave (33:52) or the house order of Mohamed (33:53) show up in a book meant to be for "for all mankind" ?
I could as well post pictures of my cat and declare it "a sign for believers".
Don’t be shy to ask questions to a well educated Muslim say at a mosque. It’s good to have questions and inshallah they’ll be answered
Look for proof please watch 'Be like a bee Noumann Ali khan ' Quran gem and miracle ' Quran illustrated by Nouman Ali khan
If one is seeking a physical tangible proof for the Creator, that means the person is assuming the Creator is something physical and tangible. To believe that the Creator is something physical and tangible is a logical absurdity.
The proof for the existence of the Creator is:
1) The world is (it exists)
2) The world can't be beginningless (for that would lead to the absurdity of an infinite regression)
3) The world can''t be self-created (the non-existent can't bring something into being (or bring itself into being))
Hence--one concludes that something other than the world brought the world into being. And that One would not be subject to what all phenomena is subject to--such as, time, origination, change, space, size, etc. And from this, it would be known that the Creator isn't something tangible or physical (or spatial).
@Marco Hammurabi
I would not agree on this logic.
Take for example "O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness."
The sentence is clearly about Mohamed's house, not about "anybodies" house. If this sentence was "addressed to the whole mankind" it could be much clearer with a different wording.
So in other words: it's only 'for' and 'about' Mohamed.
@@blueblubber6607 You're just another armchair scholar from the school of google. A little knowledge and you think you know anything.
Nihilist but not by choice...
Why do we exist ? This question is asked by those who are suffering.
When one is absolutely blissful within themselves for no reason then this question never arises.
Carry SnowDrift ... or if one is ignorant, mindless, resigned, wasted, etc
@@DawahDigital If one is mindless then one suffers.
If you think that humans will not die and live forever then this question may not arise at any point in your life. However, if you don't, and unfortunately that's the reality that you'll eventually die one day, then this question that you're calling a 'suffering' WILL arise at some point in your life. You can have the most luxurious life, sleep with million partners, earn zillion Dollars, but still remain unhappy, depressed because these 'Materialistic' entities are not nourishing your soul, they're just nourishing your physical body which will eventually be the food of insects.
Hahaha, optimistic nihilism is much more powerful
When I listen to Subboor I think 'is he stuck in the 19th century? We've moved on from' Darwinism'. He seems to deliberately avoid modern science and philosophy in order to cherry pick out of date arguments, no one is actually making, simple to avoid having to provide any evidence at all for his God.
Like all the apologists, they can get to Deism, the idea there is a creator, but they can't seem to get from Deism to Islam, or Christianity, or Vahalla.
That's the leap of 'faith'.
What's the new thing now?
How incredibly anecdotal and specific, taking a fascinating case study of a man who goes from a religious background to an atheist and back, which, is a far point to levy but is also incredibly misleading.
Human’s aren’t so flat and simple that deciding to be an atheist means that there isn’t a long term goal or loss of reason for ones actions.
The context of the entire “God is dead” statement is so much deeper that just “no god is bad”, it in fact was both a thought experiment and exploration of a pantheistic world (a world based on many gods as an argument against the idea of one god and a harmonious universe).
Nietzsche also wasn’t saying that a world without god would lead to an existential crisis, he both implicitly and extremely explicitly used it to question how morality will change due to a dechristianisation of laws and teachings in everyday life.
the motivation we ascribe to power cannot and does not rely on objective facts. it’s ridiculous and straw man like to say that only looking at goals set by what we consider a higher power are powerful when, if one is motivated enough, a goal set by oneself is incredible.
It’s frankly insane how much context is ignored here, especially with your constant mention of Europe’s shift to atheist ideals. the most cited reason for atheistic shifts, especially in the west, is the first (or second) world war, this incredible loss of life and brutal slaughter caused many to lose their faith and abandon the worship of a God who stood by and let it happen.
Science is objectively a worldview, your excellently misleading point of mathematics being unilateral doesn’t apply since looking at the world scientifically is just the simple way of being able to actually and perfectly explain why something happens in the universe, insignificant or not.
nice job speaking about all atheists like it’s a unified group such as catholics or sunnis and not simply believing that there isn’t a God.
You’ve declared that atheistic goals (making a change in the world based on ones own decision or motivation) is an invalid idea, based on assuming and generalising about people going “it’s all just atoms” and saying that people thinking about that, something; that I and many other atheists I know consider a lot, makes us thinks there is no motivation or reason for anything.
On the point of motivation, saying that motivation or drive becomes fallacy under a scientific perspective is nearsighted since we tend to cite wants or needs, caused by an incredible amount of chemical reactions causing serotonin production. I simple terms: we like doing good because we’ve been taught to be good or know right, and therefore do things to do good with or without a faith.
Hell! Nihilism doesn’t even refer to one way of thinking, you should say existential nihilism! because actually at least seven (some are in debate) Jesus this is so tunnel visioned and disregarding of the multifaceted nature of human beings and our wants, motivations and cares.
You’re acting like american atheism (the kind of atheism that tries to convince you to become atheist) is all atheism or in anyway a consistent mentality.
@Psych Slow It's not but ok.
American atheism is the typical brand of atheism that you see going out and taking the same sort of spirt of evangelization but use it for atheism. ie going up to someone in a hijab and acting like it's an outdated and sexist tradition that isn't done by choice.
I branded it amercian atheism beacuse it's typically atheists from america that I see acting like their way of life or beliefs are superior.
@@peacefulpresentation8330 it is ok brother i don't know if brother suboor is totally right or not if you know about philosophy and logical fallacies can you recommend some for starting for a beginner.
I think many atheists are actually ok people just like many Muslims are ok people but atheists life Richard Dawkins have this superior mentality delusion of it like atheists are the only people who are right and they use Darwin's theory to prove themselves right but you should also look at all books and all the evidence and to to put all of your biases aside to come to a conclusion read the quran and hadith if you have a problem with something you thing is immoral ask an expert about it or check on TH-cam for people explaining that by Muslims like Asadullah Ali from Andalusian project,Nouman Ali Khan etc. i hope Allah guides you
@@burraq1.032 if you’re looking to start into philosophy there’s a series on youtube called: “What is Philosophy?: Crash Course Philosophy” which will give you a solid foundation for reading other materials written by philosophic scholars like plato.
I agree with you whole heartedly that there are atheists with a sense of innate superiority and that is wrong. everyone’s view should be considered equally, however i feel that verifiable fact should always take precedent.
the teachings of the prophet Mohammad supposedly given to him by god are generally some very well thought out and rational guidelines for living and treating others. of course i have my reservations with some teaching but that point still stands.