WHAT VANES ARE THE QUIETEST?
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Max stealth is also nice to look at,used them for the last 5 years
Did all the arrows weigh the same!?
If not then the speed difference will affect both volume and sound quality.
Maybe, or it won’t be noticeable.. lol that’s what’s to love
In the diameter test gotta think about what diameter was it tuned at. If it was tuned with 5mm the 6 and 4 will leave off bow different possibly causing vanes to do more work making more noise
I love all this technical stuff with arrow fletchings airweight aerodyameter bow setups and all that but, I would like your opinion on what to use for Long range hunting, three vein or four. Obviously using a broadhead whether it be fixed or mechanical. Thanks
The thicker arrow could be quiter also because its stiffer and does not allow the arrow the flex back and forth through the air as much. A thinner diameter arrow generally flexes more and grabs and ungrabs air more.
Love this video! Glad to see I’m shooting the quietest vane. 😎 Had a feeling about that though. Which is why I invested so heavily in them. Love your channel Mr. Bee!
Figure you will be doing more testing on this down the road. Also wonder if heavy arrow vs light arrow would have any affect as a heavier may dampen the sound more like the larger diameter may also be doing. I also agree with others too, in that a bare shaft may be a better baseline. I know a 2 or 3 decibel difference may not seem like a lot to us but in the deer woods but it could be difference between a ducked shot . Also wonder if you could get with an audio studio that has more sound proofing in studio. Could even break down the whole shot and look at releases, stabilizer effects, etc. for future videos.
Arrow weight will absolutely make a difference on bow noise. Not sure it would be detectable in regard to vane noise other than a speed difference.
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Pretty cool.. always knew feathers were loud..Blazers for Hunting and the 3X Bohning for my 3-D/Target Arrows.. thanx for doing this cool stuff Chris👍
How hard would it be to try it with a bare shaft for the control?
I was thinking the same 🐝 should try bare shaft episode 2
I was thinking the same
Should not be much of a problem indoors and a well tuned bow.
I bare shaft tune to 30 yards and they fly totally straight then and I doubt they would change enough course to not hit the backstop at 60 yards.
I have never tested my bare shafts out to 60-70 yards or longer as I only shoot outdoors and when my bare shafts fly very well out to 30 yards, that is plenty enough for me to hunt with when I have vanes on.
Would love to hear a DCA Super Sabre vain against those as well.
Absolutely! @chris_Bee Ryals has a few of them there you can try out.
DCA custom have the Super Sabre vanes and they are super quiet.
Speed definitely plays a role in this. A feather fletched arrow off of my 42 pound recurve is very quiet compared to a feather fletched arrow out of my SR6. What I've found is stiffer vanes, parabolic shape, and with lower profile will almost always be quieter.
Cool video, Chris. I think it would have been cool if you added a speed test in the mix to see how much vane style, shape, and size affect velocity.
I would say the smaller arrow is louder because the vane wraps farther around the small arrow making a slight more helical/surface area.
Gotta do the no fletch arrow for the control. Please do it would be very interesting to hear how that sounds. Great video!
What about trying one of those range finding Garmin bow sights?
Those things are dope but like 1 grand
For comparison, can you do this again but outside? While your test environment is quiet, it's also essentially a literal echo chamber and that might cause a bit of additional noise to be picked.
I shoot the Driver vanes and the AAE max Stealth and both are great for 3D but when hunting the TAC driver vanes control a fixed blade better in my opinion. Great comparison on the noise if you would do a part 2 I would love to see the flex fletch silent Knight. Thanks for the content
I’ve shot both, TAC vanes are better than the AAE for sure.
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Great test and I 100% agree with your conclusion.
Focus much more on your shooting than trying to use a vane that makes little sound.
I have hunted with bows since 1986 and have tried all sorts of things during those years.
I have never experienced that the animals care much about the sound of the arrow.
Even not when using flu flu feathers.
They can react to the sound by stiffen up their body, but never go into escape mode.
The sound of the bow matters extremely much more as it is a totally different sound.
The lower and softer the sound becomes, the better it is.
I do as much as I can to reduce the sounds from the bow.
And I prefer to use heavier arrows to soak up the energy that would be used to create more sound with a lighter arrow.
The sound from the string also gets softer with a heavier and slower arrow.
I close to never experience an animal "jumping the string".
You need to try the new Super Sabre vane from DCA custom arrows and compare it in a similar test...
I wonder how much of the noise that mic is catching is the echo of the bow in that big empty room
Great video. is there a difference in the noise level before the peak? That peak noise is when the arrow gets to the mic but at that point its too late for the deer. Do they have the same difference in noise in the 10 to 20 yards leading up to the peak? Side note it would be cool to see how quiet a bare shaft is to see how much of that noise is the fletch.
Fletching is one thing but what about broadheads? Can a broadhead be so loud it makes the vane selection (based on noise) somewhat irrelevant?? Very interesting video tho keep up the science!! haha
Nock tune your broadheads cause vanes don’t steer. Just make sure you have more surface area on your fletching than broadhead
Why not use the same arrow and fletching for straight vs 5 degree?
Damn Mathews has a dope building.
Fletch flex silent nights are the ones
The smaller the arrow the more the fletching wraps around the arrow so more pitch to the vane
Little late but, same as a bullet the faster the object is moving the louder it will be. That’s why the 6mm is quieter, it’s moving slower
You should do a v3 27 vs v3x 29 video. Love the videos keep it up
Giant feather fletching = Ozark 4.5" Target Maxx, not really that giant of a feather in the trad world.
4mm arrow has more vibration as it goes down range = more noise stiffer spine less vibration
Had my head twisted when you said “can you hear a visible difference?”.
Wondering what those 2023 matthews look like lucky dog
Chris, where is your non-fletched arrow as your control? No fletchings on the arrow would show you the raw arrow noise.
5mm / 6mm were probably quieter cause they were moving slower. Would be curious if you saw the same result with the three arrows moving at the same FPS. Think you'd find what you were originally expecting to
Was thinking the same thing. I bet velocity played a big part in the loudness factor. Cool test tho, thanks!
Great test thanks
Need to check out flex fletch products “silent knight vanes” lineup 3” vanes and proven quieter than other majority of vanes on the market
I would like to see some FOB vanes in the comparison.
I went from the Max stealths to TAC vanes purely because the stealths are too soft. Look at them the wrong way and they rip apart. I am yet to damage a TAC vane after almost a year
Dr. Chris....That was fantastic.
Thanks Chris!
every 3db is dbl volumn
Tac Vane by far!
I want to try some micro arrows, what is a cheap, decent micro diameter arrow to test out?
Black Eagle Deep Impact and Instict Traditional are some of the cheapest, followed by something from Victory Arrows, like the VAP and VAP TKO's. Prices may have changed since i looked last but i based it off of Lancasters' prices per arrow.
"Is there enough of a difference to make a difference? You be the judge."
Do one with the AAE Hybrid vanes!
Those are hybrids, says it on the side of the vane.
An animals hearing is insane, everything you shoot sounds like a freight train to an animal. To believe any of it makes any real difference is only relevant to a humans ear i would say. I can see its interesting as a test but it means nothing in a hunting situation.
My thinking is get as close as you can and make the best shot you can. Like Chris does, practice is the only way to improve success..
Stand near a target and listen to arrows come your way…..you’ll likely change your tune quickly as to whether it matters or not.
@@michaelcolthart4006 makes no difference if im an animal with hearing 20x better than a human. They hear everything regardless how loud your arrow is. It makes no difference using different vane or shaft. Your flight may be changed slightly but thats it.
This is the best test for This I have seen done… But, still not what I would call convincing at all. Someone needs to do a test with decibel reader not a microphone.
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It’s crazy how well you can hear that indoors compared to outdoor, it would be interesting to do with the mic at the target so from like a deer’s perspective
yo chris r u coming out to big sky this year for tac?
Can you make the sound waves available?
I want to measure the total energy instead of the instantaneous energy.
I bet at least one subscriber is a sound engineer.
Thanks for the content!
Would have loved to see the heat vane included in this test.
“I couldn’t hear a VISIBLE difference”…. Hahahaha sorry, just had too….. good test, now do one on clocking.., see how much (if any) the direction you fletch increases/decreases accuracy… then max helical/ offset accuracy comparison at Longer distances vs shorter distance and compare that to straight fletch accuracy
Would love to see y'all do this with different broad heads. Some two, there, four blades in solid and vented
Also theory on the diameter bit. I'd assume the thinner arrows weigh less, thus are going faster, thus more spin and displaced air making it louder
Heavy arrows are always quieter. Just based on speed. Air speed is a huge factor. Think about it, if you whistle the faster you push air through the louder it gets.
Looks like he picked up the 2023 bow
You should have opened the files in Adobe Audition. There you get way better graphics to compare with.
So they’re not called max stealth for nothing. I run max stealth’s in a 4 fletch. Wonder if a 4 fletch is louder? 🤔
That’s the real question. On a 5mm arrow if the aae pro max in 4 fletch is the quietest - also what speed is the sweet spot for vane noise?
4 fletch is louder. I run max stealth on a three fletch. 4 fletch is pretty much 1/4 louder
In a TAC vane a four fletch is quieter.
Arguably my favorite video that you've posted (and there have been a lot of good videos). You had a good controlled environment, a high-end microphone, some really good test cases--this was done well.
Why are 2 inch plastic vanes always compared to 4 or 5 inch high profile feathers? Why is there never a fair comparison of vanes and feathers of the same size and shape?
Great video Chris! I think way too many people go down various rabbit holes. I think you hit the nail on the head, shooting your bow well is more worth worrying about!
My go to veins are bohning heat veins
Thanks for the information. Are you going to do the same thing with broadheads?
I just uploaded a video and have the thumb nail with 3 arrows draw back at one time an hour ago lol
Chris bee at the Mathews facility right before hunting season hmm what could he possibly be doing there 🤔😉
You have run heat vanes, curious as to why you didn't include them in the test? I have found them to be quieter because, I believe, them being a little stiffer as well as shorter in height than the blazers
Do the same test with broadheads, solid blades vs vented vs mechanical
Nice video
“I cannot hear a visible difference”… 🤣🤣🤣.
Set the mic at the target distance, let's review what a deer could hear before impact
So here is my conclusion. Hunting white tail, go with the vane and configuration that will stabilize your arrow the fastest. With shots mostly 30 yards and in, the deer isn’t going to notice a few decibels difference and will likely jump at the sound of any of those arrows flying at them the same. Out west on longer shots, past 40 yards or more, it might be worth trying to go with a quieter vane as the animal will likely sit there a fraction of a second longer after it hears the bow go off trying to decipher what is going on. The louder the vane, the sooner it will realIze the arrow is coming at them and will start to try and dodge it a fraction of a second sooner.
So what’s the new bow looking like lmao 😂
Think you should give a better feather comparison. You shot the old school 4"+ parabolic that looks like you chewed on it, and the one looking like a. Uncut/unshaped full feather you would build a flu flu with.
Try comparing similar size/shape feather like the 2" gateway rayzr. I've been shooting them and love em. Similar size and steerage to blazer, but much lighter, so helps the FOC game.
Just think apples to apples comparison in regards to size and shape may give feathers a little better look than what big ol chunkys did
I agree I shoot Rayzr feathers and have for years. Rayzr feathers are 5 grains each while Blazers are 15 each so 15 grains for three Rayzrs or 45 grains for three blazers, that’s a big difference for FOC!
Do you think that a fixed broadhead will add more noise? For example 2-Blade vs 3-Blade vs 4-Blade. Also single bevel vs double bevel?
Cool project we did similar experiment testing drag with straight over 6 degree helical an over 60yds the helical lost 2fps compared to straight so again not enough variance to even notice
Try a regular feather instead of that big feather
Great job man I'm back and forth between the 3" X vane and the max stealth vane both with max helical going to run both and go from there. Keep up the great work man.
Max stealth all day, I just wish they were lighter but oh well still a great vane. Q2i would be next
@@paytenblevins3401 those are the ones that I am leaning towards. Thanks for your input.
I run AAE max stealth
3° Left helical
283fps
3 Fletch. Super quiet
Thanks for doing the test with a quality mic. Some of the others I’ve seen basically put there phone half way to a target. Your equipment gave better results. Have you thought about repeating the test with identical fletching and different broadheads?
This and trying to make the quietest broadhead+fletch combo that'll still hit a bullseye at 40 or whatever range
Only thing is looks like you're using different arrows which wouldn't make a difference if they're all the same weight but if they're different weights it'll make a massive difference on noise just from weight and arrow stiffness so idk
I think one thing you guys are missing is tone. A fletching can be "quiet" but the tone of that shaft flying through the air makes a big difference.
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I haven’t seen video yet with microphone at the target. I’m more curious to the noise heading toward the target. Instead of what it sounds like in the middle of the flight path off to the side.
You could literally spend the rest of your life in there trying all the variables. Imagine adding different tips or broadhead. Pretty cool presentation.
Can you do similar tests with mylar vanes or spin wings?
I have tried different configurations and the noise levels as what I heard from one to the next were at some point not noticeable,, Especially considering what I shoot,, And I will not go into that not on an open blog,,, Personally I will gladly discuss it
Chris great video. What about the height and length of the vane. The larger the vane the more air displacement, so one would assume more noise. What about testing the 3 or 4 different sizes of the AAE hybrid vanes? It also appears the "max stealth" you used are actually the AAE hybrids the max stealth say max stealth on them. its my understanding that the max stealth are quieter than the hybrids. Ive been using the AAE hybrid 26 on the new Easton sonic 6mm with a 1 degree left offset and have been very happy and impressed with them. They shoot great and are quite.
I completely agree with what you are saying and I understand that you guys are trying to do a test in a control climate test but listen to how mad your voice echo though out the entire range the sound waves bounces 2 or if not 3 times as more as it would in the desert or in the timber if your going to stride and true test do it in the feild something more practical the in a room with tons of walls having the sounds waves bouncing off on or the other it’s awesome but I truly think that the room it’s self made a huge difference with sounds I could pin point a few arrows that were 3 times louder than I’ve tested in the feild
Another great video.
BTW, just so happened to be at the Matthews facility? Picking up your new bow that we will not see till the end of the year?
Was wondering if anyone else picked up on location .. too early to wonder what's next for mathews..?? Can't wait to see what they do
Love him or hate him, but the Ranch Fairy has shown that an unfletched, properly tuned arrow with at least 19 percent FOC, flies like a laser beam to 30 yards. Vanes solidify the stable flight in winds with broadheads. The science reveals that it requires very little vane profile to stabilize a properly tuned arrow. I personally shoot cut down plastic vanes for simply stabilizing the tail of the arrow even while shooting 400 grain single bevel broadheads with an FOC of 31 percent. It is very quiet. I shoot bolt shafts by Sirius with an OD greater than .300. Chris has hit on something here, that larger diameter shafts contribute to quieter arrows, and slower speeds further reduce noises. The faster the arrow, the greater the resistance in flight. All data shows slower, heavier FOC arrows increases efficiency in both flight and all exterior ballistics. Speed might go down, but slugs of momentum goes up at a greater proportional rate. Bow noise is wasted energy being absorbed by the bow. Heavier arrows recovers that wasted energy and converts it into arrow KE and momentum. This means QUIETER in the bow and in arrow flight. It's science!
Disappointed you guys didn’t test out a 12 fletch configuration for the fellas that shoot broadheads the size of a shovel head all in the name of FOC..
You should have tried a DCA super sabre vane
If I remember correctly a +/- 3db is a double in volume to the human ear. That may depend on weighting scale
Great info
If bigger vane and louder just aim a tad lower
You should have also shot bareshafts different diameters to test noise
Listening on imac speakers cmon you can do better, thats incredible bad testing. Do you shoot them exact same passing distance from microphone? Edit: now i saw you picking up the arrows from target and every arrow was on different height level so this test doesnt tell much or anything. For these kind of tests you really need somebody who knows about audio.
Very interesting and informative......but that's pretty typical of a Chris video.