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Abu Khadeejah Double Standards Against Abdulrahman Hassan?! | Shamsi
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USTHADH ABDURAHMAN HASAN
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I’d recommend brothers that you link the refutations Abu Iyaad حفظه الله wrote against him to those unaware of the fitnah Shamsi is speaking abt. It’ll be beneficial and clarify the confusion regarding that fitnah. BarakAllahu Feekum.
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By Allah, you have uttered a lied by claiming such. Abu Iyaad writes nothing except that it is back up proofs and evidence. He is upon ikhwaniyyah and both part one and two speak about it. Here are proofs: www.manhaj.com/manhaj/articles/jtite-ustadh-abdul-rahman-hasans-lies-against-the-salafi-methodology-part-1.cfm
Scroll down to see part two.
- this is compound ignorance (jahl murakab). Apparently these proofs above are “devoid of evidences” yet clearly evidences upon evidence are written in the links. Don’t defend your “Ustadh” errors in Aqeedah/manhaj. BarakAllahu Feek
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did he ever free himself from mohammed hijab after making a prodcast with him ? and why hes video are still there the one when hes try to defend himself from spubs ?
He’s refuted MH more than once lol
@@uzzy_787but he waters down salafiya and did you see what he said about hamza Yusuf and who he sits with? “lol”
@@uzzy_787 he never ibrahim ibn Mahmud just edited his videos
mashAllah akhi, thanks for clarifying! This video is very needed for laymen like myself and the others. Jazakkal khair to the brothers from Dus Dawah and Salafi publications
May Allah guide us all and increase our love for the people who love Allah, his messengers and all the companions of the prophets amin.
Amin
الله يجزاكم خير، ممكن تضعوا ترجمة وفقكم الله و أحسن إليكم
SubhanAllah Al-bāri’, barakallhu feekum br shamsi for the reminder at the end about renewing ones intention.
May Allah preserve you shamsi ameen
Bro, if Abdurahman Hassan has retracted his statement about the khawarij (Which you admit to), why would you bring it up again? Isn't this lying about the brother or even oppression?
How is it lying or oppression? Rewatch the beginning of the video to understand the question. He is pretty much saying how can you compare what abdurhman hassan did (and also plans to do w/ bro khariji to a “civil debate”) to what I do at speakers corner?
[specifically the “debate” he had w/ hajji in 2019. Clearly Shamsi mentions “that me and hajji were cool at the time and I confronted him to ask him why he said what he said on Facebook reviling the Ulema.” So don’t compare apples and oranges akhi barakAllahu Feek]
- Shamsi means that abdurhman hassan admitted his error and that his speech was incorrect. But Shamsi has said many times before that Abdurhman Hassan never made tawbah openly for all his wrongdoings. The brother meant this and in case you challenge this, when Shamsi made a video responding to “Dawah Man” slander against him and Spubs, at the end, he says the same thing. Go to around 34:40 min mark when he speaks about Abdurahman Hassan and you’ll hear him say it: th-cam.com/video/W_nagRBn6mc/w-d-xo.html
His video was poor
@@mohammedharis9588 You've lost it my bro, so his retraction is not enough. Should we open up his chest and see if he's sincere?
@@awilali7681 He hasn't made tawbah for his actions. Why are you trying to defend his actions?
@@awilali7681 A few videos here and there aren't enough to understand the situation properly brother.
Please read this and then you're free to make ur own decision. But at least look if the other side made an attempt to explain why he receives the rebuke he gets.
Thinking that the brothers have no reason whatsoever for criticism against him and that it's just bcoz of jealosy and hatred, THIS in itself is SU'U AL-DHANN
(thinking bad about your brother.)
(I'm not saying you do that but many people have this impression and/or blindly parrot things that others say online, sometimes even accusing them of conspiratorial stuff- things which even ARH or other ones who're criticized, wouldn't say )
If u still disagree its ur choice but at least you know that there's something more to it that people say and you'll understand why some Da'ees in question and emotional laymen would want to discourage you from reading these articles.
www.manhaj.com/manhaj/articles/jtite-ustadh-abdul-rahman-hasans-lies-against-the-salafi-methodology-part-1.cfm
Jazaaka Allaahu khayran
بارك الله فيك
Alhamdullilah the Salafi methodology is clear; those who are sincere accept it, whilst others incline towards hizbiyyah and care more about personalities than the truth.
DUS Dawah propagating the haqq based on evidences once again - BarakAllahufeekum
I see the controversy around mo salah and Christmas, but why don’t we have the same outrage for birthdays and new year since they have pegan roots as well or is it not the same? I would appreciate if you could answer brother!
GUAB 10 salafis hold that all the celebrations you mentioned are of pagan origins and we shun them all, but what has this to do with the above post?
@@mark-kq7rc we consider birth days and new years as innovation to.
السلام عليكم ورحمةالله وبركاته just a question, if the brother Abdulrahman hassan retracted publicly and made a public repentance over what he said, what is held against him?
Two things:
1.. He admits he was incorrect but never publicly repents for all the errors he committed. Everything that occurred was written about in great detail so I’d recommend you to read this barakAllahu Feek (abt the retraction video, go to page 25 and onwards though I’d highly recommend you to read the whole thing to get a comprehensive understanding): www.manhaj.com/manhaj/assets/docs/arh-ikhwani-usool-a.pdf
2. He is showing that the error in Aqeedah he once made, he now wants to have the debate w/ bro khariji! Strange ain’t it...
@@user-hw6fr1wl8w but debating schmucks at speakers corner is fine?
@@MmMm-vz9ex If you are sincere to Allah, don't be afraid of finding the truth. Read the article posted above!
@@SAEECLIPSE The same debates that helped you get back on your deen (by Allah's tawfeek) when you were about to fall off ? Yes, it's fine according to the Quran.
@@sulaimanf325 whats the problem with it?
When did Abu Khadeejah become a Shaykh? Genuine question
Sheikh in terms of being our elder, sheikh in terms of respect. Sheikh can also be used in general terms of addressing a person respectfully. We can also use the term to address our ustadh as we have benefitted from him seeking knowledge alhamdulilah
exactly like when?????
@@5za_x replied check now
Ask the Ulama who have called him so. Question them.
Jazakallah khayr for putting light on this topic.
1) Says that Speakers Corner does not belong to anyone. Who from the Salaf preceded you in this criteria? If Speakers Corner doesn't belong to anyone, then TH-cam does not belong to ahlul bid'ah. If the people of bid'ah are spreading misguidance on TH-cam, why is it that they cannot be debated on TH-cam?
2) States that he only has "discussions" with individuals in Speakers Corner. Yet there are tens, if not hundreds of videos of him online debating with people of misguidance. People who are clearly not sincere in seeking the truth. For example he has debated with that Somali Qur'ani called "Ahmed" several times on different occasions.
Who said you can't refute ahlul bidah on youtube?
@@hassanmuhammad7749 Debate them on TH-cam*, just as they can supposedly be debated in Speakers Corner to clear their misconceptions because speakers corner "does not belong to anyone"
@@hamadbakri2314 You're clutching at straws bro, behave yourself! Lol
You're only making yourself look bad with this comment
Akhi, the main problem here is organising a debate with an innovator. Who from the Salaf is known to have organised a debate with a mubtadi'? Please show us. Brother Shamsi has never (as far as I'm aware) organised a debate with any innovator.
@@br_ayub he hasn’t organised one, but has been in one? I’m very confused lol so the only haram in the whole equation is the organising part? You’re really doing too much, come with evidences of what you’re saying being haram.
Still waiting for abdurhaman hassan to apologise to abu khadeejah for accusing him of lying against the messenger of Allah. When infact it was him that lied.
The mans coming with daleel wag 1 for the people disliking.
Desires and hizbiyyah Allaah guide us all
the thing about saying double standards isnt that like a few years ago?
جزاكم الله خيرا
JazākaAllāhu khayran
Let's take heed of point 153 in Imaam al-Barbahaaree's (rahimahullah) classical and well-known treatise, Sharh as-Sunnah (Explanation of the Creed):
"If you wish to be firm upon the truth and the way of Ahl us-Sunnah before you, beware of theological rhetoric (Kalaam) and the people of theological rhetoric and of disputation, arguing, analogy and debating about the Religion. Listening to them, even if you do not accept from them, throws doubts into the heart. This is sufficient for you to be destroyed. There has never been any heresy, innovation, innovated sect or misguidance except through rhetoric, disputation, argumentation and analogy. These are the gates of innovation, doubt and heresy."
These great Imaams and illustrious Salaf left behind beneficial principles and knowledge for us to inherit. Why do we belittle this knowledge by not following their advice and instead become amazed with ourselves and our abilities when in reality we have very little knowledge and understanding of the Deen compared to these mountains of knowledge?
جزاك الله خيرا
وَإِيَّاكَ@@AbuNooh2
@@TheStraightPathIslamTees how are you akhi?
Assalam walaikum. I’ve only come across these conflicts now. Can someone kindly explain what the issue is?
Allah makes Abu khadeejah dawah always clear MaashaAllah
You’d think he learned not to fall for the same error twice, but here we are. Now wants to have a “civil” debate w/ this miskeen jaahil, bro khariji. Yet ppl would defend this self-proclaimed “ustadh” and claim he’s upon salafiyyah 🤦🏾♂️. والله المستعان
Alsalam alaikum akhi
So as i understand, abdurrahman was corrected because he arranged a debate with a person of bidaa, so he retracted or repented from that and brother shamsi didn't speak about it again untill recently because he is trying to arrange another debate with another person of bidaa. Is my understanding correct?
بارك الله فيك يا أخي
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Wa Iyāk Akhī
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وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته
I can give a lengthy answer regarding the history behind what occurred years back regarding abdurhman hassan and the debate he had with a well-known kharijite in Britain, Abu Barā. He made many errors and was criticized harshly for opposing the salafi manhaj. There’s two parts. Part 1 (speaks about the debate he had and what ensued afterwards) : www.manhaj.com/manhaj/assets/docs/arh-ikhwani-usool-a.pdf
Part Two (speaks about grave error he made unrelated to the debate he had with Abu Barā): www.manhaj.com/manhaj/assets/docs/arh-ikhwani-usool-b.pdf
- When Shamsi spoke about the rulings of the Ulema upon him: dusunnah.com/video/the-major-scholars-refute-the-lies-of-the-khateeb-and-lecturer-of-brixton-mosque-ustadh-abdur-rahman-hassan/
- you mentioned akhi that he recanted for “arranging a debate w/ a person of bid’ah”. He never once made tawbah for this error openly.
- Shamsi has spoken about the fitnah that took place years back before and one that comes to mind is when he responded to “Dawah Man” slander against him and spubs. Go to the end of the video (granted, I’d watch the whole thing but that’s a side point) There’s time stamps and it’s around the 34:40 mark when he speaks about abdurahman hassan.
th-cam.com/video/W_nagRBn6mc/w-d-xo.html
But yes, recently, Shamsi has been asked regarding this organized debate that he plans on having with bro hajji, the khariji. In short, Shamsi warned against abdurhman hassan when he was asked on Instagram back in Jan. 24th: instagram.com/tv/CKcaM_HAvae/
So some people started to claim that there is a “double standard” and recently, Shamsi towards the end of lesson “the disease and the cure” by Ibnul Qayyim , he was asked and that’s were this clip is from: th-cam.com/video/rQtS_WY429c/w-d-xo.html
As salaam alaikum shams. My understanding was that the brother made towbah.. is this incorrect?
The matter was a lot more detailed and you can find exactly what happened here:
www.manhaj.com/manhaj/tags/abdul-rahman-hasan.cfm
BaarakhAllaahu feekum
Just for clarification is abdulrahman hassan in the sight of shamsi and abukhadeejah etc upon the haqq or not? I have much love and respect for all the brothers mentioned including abdulrahman hassan, shamsi, abu kahdeejah and the whole of spubs, may allah bless them all.
When Shamsi was speaking abt the fitnah of Abu Barā and to know why Shamsi is warning against him, I’d read this barakAllahu Feek. Everything will be clear to you in shaa Allah: www.manhaj.com/manhaj/assets/docs/arh-ikhwani-usool-a.pdf
- Read Usool Sunnah Imam Ahmad and within the first lines, the shaykh رحمه الله speaks abt avoiding innovations and debating w/ the people of innovations. Read the aqeedah books of the salaf also and all warn against debating the people of bid’ah.
- The error in Aqeedah Abdurhman Hassan made years back, he now wants do it again and this time, to have a “civil debate” w/ bro Khariji! Instead of just refuting him by making videos refuting him on his TH-cam channel (similar to how brother Shamsi made videos refuting this miskeen khariji) , he wants to repeat the error.
@@acalop5871 He retracted that statement so why do you keep bringing that up?
@@saeedhussein3489 if made tawbah so why is he debating a khariji again?
@@footballshithousery2383 if Shamsi is a Muslim why does he debate atheists at speakers corner? Lol double standards.
@@kaeyreYao not sure what video you watched but he very clearly said he was wrong in his statement and he confirmed with a scholar that his wording was wrong. Keep tossing people out of salafiyyah. No scholar recognizes SPUBs anyways. Sheikh Wasiullah Abbas has already exposed SPUBs and Abu Khadeejah for who they are.
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah. To truly understand the larger problem with the likes of Abdur Rahman Hasan and his likes, objectively, one needs to read the document, Historical development of the methodology of Ikhwanul Muslimeen and listen to the Ideological attack upon Salafiyyah by Abu Iyaad.
Many people think the effects of the Muslim brotherhood Ideology and its ideologues on the Salafi Dawah was restricted to the domain of Politics and rulers, which is far from the truth.
When you study objectively, the Ideology of Muslim brotherhood affected many Salafi callers in the late twentieth century not only in the affairs of politics and rulers but also in the affairs of Dawah and rectification and academic rebuttal and criticism of deviants, behaviour with people of misguidance. This is where the whole issue lies. When you understand how the Ideology of Muslim brotherhood affected these areas, you will truly appreciate and value those who stood against it. The likes of Shaykh Muqbil, Shaykh Rabi , Shaykh Muhammad Amaan al Jaami.
Well said
Our brothers and ustadh Abdulrahman Hassan is well known for being salafi and calling to it
Why don't you give him a little respect
@@Ibrahim.l20 بارك الله فيك
@@Ibrahim.l20Abdur’Rahman waters down salafiya
@@Randomhandlenamehow so
Masallah
Assalamu alaykum
JazakAllah khair
AbdulRahman Hassan is salafi Alhamdulillah
He waters it down tho
@@noname19286 he has a soft spot for people of misguidance
@@Randomhandlename What has he said which indicates to you that he waters down the manhaj?
@@oxi3245 search his name on TH-cam and refuted after his name
You guys don’t have the knowledge of Ustadh Abdul Rahman Hassans knowledge instead of speaking out against him you should be his students and Abu Khadeeja needs to take Arabic lessons we can’t learn from a individual who can’t recite surah Al Fatiha properly.
السلام عليكم شمسي أعطني رأيك في هذا أنا أرى أنك تكثر من قول أنك سني و أعلم أنك تقصد فقط أنك لست بشيعي لأن الشيعة على خطئ و أنا معك في هذا و لكن أخبرني لما لا تقول فقط أنك مسلم كما سمانا إبراهيم من قبل و كما أمرنا الله ،نعم يجب إتباع القرأن الكريم و سنة الحبيب عليه الصلاة و السلام و أولو الأمر منا لوحدهم و لكن إذا إختلف أولوا الأمر فيجب أن نرجع للقرٱن و السنة و منه فنحن مسليمون و لا يجب أن نتفرق و نسمي أنفسنا مالكييين أو حنبلييين أو شافعيين إلى أخره بل مسلمين على دين الله و رسوله محمد صلى الله عليه و سلم و الله إنني أحبك في الله و أعشق سماع محاضراتك ولكن هذه الإضافة والوحيدة الذي لم تعجبني و نحن بشر لسنا كاملين و الله أحبك اللهم أرزقنا الإمان بالله و رسوله عليه السلام و إجعلنا على ملت إبراهيم و لا تفرقنا و لا تجعلنا من المشركين و الزائدين في الدين أمين أخي إذا أخطأت فإشرح لي جزاك الله خيرا سلام من أخ في الدين من المغرب :)
What has this guy done?
The obstinate love for ARH even after his many public wrongs is shocking. Our allegiance is with the haqq not personalities baraakhallaahu feekum
Oh the irony
Besides this please mention more of his public “wrongs”
@@abdulwadood.8he waters down salafiya and sits with with people who are not known to be people of Sunnah and did you see what he said about hamza Yusuf?
@@Randomhandlename what did he say about hamza yusuf? And all the times he sat with anyone who he shouldn’t have 1. It was to give dawah most likely, 2. It was a long time ago, he may have repented for all you know.
@@abdulwadood.8 search on TH-cam his name and put refuted next to it, you have no clue about his deviations
سلام عليكم أخي أنا مقيم في بريطانيا حوس على زوجة أخي جزاك الله خير
Ya akhi isn’t haji spreading doubts and abdulrahman wants to help prove his doubts wrong?
Just because someone refutes a khariji doesn’t mean that person is always right or upon sunnah, even sufis can refute khariji.
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You're trying to say abdulrahman hassan is an innovator?
@@dontgetmewrong4317 don’t jump to conclusions, nowhere in my post I said that he is an innovator. But some of his views and action is not in accordance with the views of the salaf.
www.manhaj.com/manhaj/assets/docs/arh-ikhwani-usool-a.pdf
@@dontgetmewrong4317 I don't think anyone is calling him an innovator, but he is not upon the Salafi manhaj. This organised 'debate' with a Khariji dog and his opposition in general to the Salafis proves that. Furthermore, a Salafi is known to us by recommendation from Salafis who have preceded him in calling to Salafiyyah, and are established and firm upon this methodology in the land. No-one has recommended this Abdur abdurrahman Hasan character. Like many others, he became famous through social media.
@@AbuAbdullahUK What has he said or done that indicated he is not upon salafiyyah? From what ive heard from him, his aqidah and beliefs is that of the salaf. Why do you say he is not upon the salafi manhaj?
Assalamu aleikum uarahmatu Allah uabarakaatuh... Abu khadeejah is not Sholar what's going on here!
All these who speaks ill of Abu Khadeejah, let it be known, that his site, SP, in it, gave lecture Shaykh Uthaymin, Shaykh Muqbil, etc. He is well known and his da'wah is well known, that even you hizbis quote from him. Done that, then we let's see.
Akhi see what the ulema say about him,
@@abdulwadood.8 Many praised him.
My question to you, if we use the statement of the salaf, does it mean we quote from him??
@@elisjongoseni3225 Many refuted him as well.
@@kingriversea Nope, speech of the Salaf is sufficient.
Is abu khadija a hafidh?
Donkey of Birmingham? What does he mean with that?!
Ppl already disliking before even watching the video 🤣.
Maybe because they've heard his poor excuses before? Meanwhile you're literally linking PDFs without having read them
@@hamadbakri2314 u lied against me. Why would I share those links without having read them 😂?!
@@user-hw6fr1wl8w Rather I've told the truth. You're spreading those PDFs as if they contain words of truth. If you had read them you'd know that there was no evidence given that Abdulrahman Hassan is an ikhwani mubtadi'.
@@hamadbakri2314 earlier you said the links are “devoid of proofs” which was falsehood (a comment which you later went on to delete). And you’re claiming that “there’s no evidence given that Abdurahman Hassan is an ikhwani, mubtadi.”
Yā miskeen, I doubt you fully read and understood the refutations written against him. For you to now also claim this, is hilarious 😂. Proofs and evidences are provided and the haqq is clarified. Just like how ahlul-Sunnah do الحمد لله
You say you've read the articles. Did you know that the main argument in the first of the 2 lengthy articles was that ARH's repentance concerning his statements about the khawarij being praised by the Prophet was insincere? While Allah knows the ghayb and what the hearts of men contain wallahul musta3an. In his second article there were attempts to trace the history of Abdulrahman Hassan's teachers, claiming that some of them were Ikhwanis based on loose "associations", and that Abdulrahman Hassan is likewise an ikhwani because he studied with them.
is any of this evidence of ikhwanism to you?
You organised a debate with those Quranist at speakers corner and you even said that you ‘invited him for a debate’
No
Lol , that are not muslims ahki how is that the same ?
You can debate non Muslims
dislikes so salty HAHAHAH they dont like proof and clarification
Look now u can see Abdul rahman setting with people of bidaa. His dawa is fake he is looking for famous
السلام عليك يااخي شمسي اتمنى ان تتوقف عن قول حمار برمنغهام هدا لايليق بك ولا بالاخ جزاك الله خيرا
Salam, is thé madrasatu al Umaryiah on Haqq ? Barakallah oufikoum
Nope
Also when people sees yoy and books behind your back think that you are a shikh or mufti and we all know that you are not even a طالب علم
استمر في خداع نفسك شمسي well done mate
Brothers and sisters, with all respect please keep your children at home! If you can’t keep them silent what is the point of bringing them to the masjid? You can also miss the class but watch this on youtube later on! BarakAllahu feekum!
Alsalam alaikum akhi
I remembered the hadith when the prophet ﷺ lengthened the sujood in a jama'a prayer so one of the sahaba raised his head to see if something happened to the prophet ﷺ, and he saw one of the prophet's grandchildren (alhasan or alhusain radhialla alaihm) over the prophet's back.
Also the hadith about the prophet ﷺ shortening the prayer (like, less verses i think) because he heard a child crying (the child's mother was praying too), but the prophet ﷺ didn't tell the mother to not bring the child again.
So i think it is ok to bring children to the masjid. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
And Allah knows best
@@acalop5871 Wa aleykumu ssalam wa rahmatuLlahi wa barakatuhu! Yes if i know that my child who is crying and disturb everyone there then I wouldn’t bring my child! And your point is not correct children have to get used to mosque when they think and can differentiate what is right or wrong! You can teach 3 or 4 year old kid that running and laughing is bad! But you can’t apply the same rules to infant child!
Brother you are very wrong in this...
House of cards coming down.
It's Dog eat dog in the world of the Mad-khalee
supbs
Who is this Abdurrahman Hassan?
He is a brother who studied the deen, and calls the people to the quran and sunnah. He speaks with evidences from the quran and sunnah.
He is a young man who does not know his level, may Allaah guide him and us. He waters down the manhaj but a lot of youth are attached to him and indeed it is a calamity
In shaa Allaah these articles will serve to explain who this youth (Abdul Rahman Hasan) is www.manhaj.com/manhaj/tags/abdul-rahman-hasan.cfm
@@BlueSkyblueseagreenland What has he said which indicates to you that he waters down the manhaj?
@@oxi3245he sits with people of misguidance and look up what he said about hamza Yusuf