I graduated from such a program in CA as a juvenile. Number 1, wage had nothing to do with my decision to accept placement in this program. 2nd, nobody is forced to participate. It is an opportunity to do something to better yourself instead of rotting away in a cell. This program TRULY changed my life. It offered me something far greater than any dollar value would have. It made me feel trusted, important, valuable, and instilled a discipline that I somehow lost in my teenage years. I was really sad to learn that the camp I attended has since been shut down.
I think work initiatives like this are good. One issue I can think of though is that the private corporations that run the prisons gets paid for providing the workforce. Not sure what a US firefighter earns, if they earn $500 per person per day, I would imagine that the prison service can get paid $250 per person per day, maybe even up to $350. IMO, there isn't any reason they can't pay a wage that will help set yourself up for when you leave. Even if they actually still pay $10 a day direct to you but put $50-90 into a savings account. But also I would imagine if the prison service wasn't getting paid as much, they would probably punish the inmates by taking away the programme.
I live in LA. I appreciate the program. Only wish that you guys were paid more. Would love to see the state set aside a little money for when you do leave prison.
@@persuademe Your points are definitely accurate. The other issue is that in various states (not as much California) but its very common in others like Alabama for example, for the prisons and corporations to run a long term racket to keep supplying the prisoners to the local economy as a workforce. It creates an incentive in the justice system (like judges who decide sentence length and boards who decide parole) to have as many people locked up as possible and for as long as possible. Also, these are states that don't pay well for normal jobs to begin with, so you know that the rate for prisoners to work is literally pennies on the dollar. This decreases the wages and amount of work options for the law-abiding residents that live there. What ALWAYS happens in an area where employment opportunities decrease? Crime rises. That leads to more arrests... Welcome to an endless cycle.
I hear this guy talk about being treated like a human, see his pride, see his joy, and I think, "Wow - it's almost like our prison system is broken or something.....".
As a previous Wildland firefighter who worked with Wildfire Con crews, I can say from my experience they really enjoy this program. Its not perfect, but they do get paid way more than other work options so they leave prison with money to help them transition. They also talk a lot about the experience of people thanking them, appreciating them and feeling a sense of pride. I think we have a tendency to look at programs to see everything wrong with them, not what parts work, and there is so much backlash its hard to keep them running.
Fair enough. My only problem with it is they make $10 a day... Let's say a prisoner fights a fire for a month... He made $300... Let's say he does it for 4 months.... He has $1200 If I was released onto the streets with very little family and friends and no job and no address... $1200 wouldn't be enough to find housing... Gotta have a place of residence to get a job... Can't have a place of residence without a job... Most places won't hire ex felons... No wonder most who are imprisoned end up back in prison...
@@roscojenkins7451the money is not the point of the program. I find it ironic that people that complain about capitalism the most are the most obsessed with money. This is a program for integration, not to make them money.
You point out a great point. For some people who grew up in a bad place, they have never felt good about anything they’ve done in life, never felt like people accepted them into the larger community. Getting a chance to work hard and accomplish something good is meaningful. At the end of the day, a lot of these people did bad things and are being punished. So expecting this to give them some big reward is silly. It’s time where they aren’t involved in the terrible day to day of prison. That’s valuable right there.
@Bleepbloopblappp the ultimate question is. Should prison strictly be about punishment or should it be about rehabilitation? Someone steals a TV and gets locked up for 5 years and yea they got to spend some of their time fighting fired and doing net good... That's great... But then they come out and have no assistance for getting their life back on track and eventually most end up committing crimes again...
@TheDarkLasombra how do the integrate once they are out? The system is set up to push them to commit crimes as their only avenue and they ultimately end up back in prison
I’m a 20 year firefighter in Southern California California that has worked alongside some of the inmate hand crews. This is by far the fairest reporting I’ve ever heard of regarding the crews. The only thing I would add is that inmate hand crew are type two crews where they build containment line well ahead of the fire. Type 1 crews build line right on the fire. It’s a difference in training and qualification. That being said hand crew work is the dirtiest and hardest work there is in firefighting. My large agency in SoCal have hired many of these folks.
these inmates should be the real billionaires in net worth. not the actuall billionaires like elon musk. even then i dont think anyone should have a net worth of over 5 billion.
So LA cuts fire department funding, and relies on prisoners to fight fires, what exactly are Californians paying the highest taxes in the country for? Where is this money going?
Can stop this BS? CA only has the highest MARGINAL tax rate in the country, it does not have the highest effective tax rate or highest total tax rates in the country, and for people earning median household income in CA of $95k, CA effective tax rates are 5.1%. Secondly, this disaster has absolutely nothing to do with government policy. Go look at number of acres burned per year going back to the 1950s, it's been relatively in the same range, regardless of govt policy or which party was in power. What's changed is where people started building their houses putting them more at risk of damage.
At least you’re willing to admit that. I get flak all the time for acknowledging good deeds and integrity across the board regardless of whether the person typically aligns with my personal beliefs. But I would have it no other way because then I’d be losing _my integrity._
this is the definition of "repaying your debt to society". Given that their decisions cost the taxpayer thousands upon thousands of dollars a year, this is a great program. The skills they carry should absolutely follow them once they are out, and they should be fast tracked to the frontline of fire fighting job openings.
Everything about the comment is good except costing tax payers thousands each year, there are far richer people that cost taxpayers millions each year, and they are not being reprimanded for it.
Based on your description, imagine what the elites have to pay for their debt in society, killing dreams of future generations for luxuries and yachts. They mocked God at Golden Globes and next day biggest fire in USA history that directly affects those people. That's Devine Justice in full display. Planets are aligned and we are in a year of paying back karmic dues. It's coming for all of us at a global level. Everything is by design, a rise in collective consciousness and AI is making it obvious. Truth is getting revealed and global changes are coming. We have entered a new age in human consciousness, individual and collective.
You get the police, the police that takes 2-3X , not the next item on the budget list BUT ALL ITEMS COMBINED. My friend who lives near LA had her bar broken into, and the cops told her to fill in a form, nobody even showed up.
These Private prisons double dip. Paid to house the prisoner then again paid to provide prisoner labor for employers. A great deal for Private prison operators.
Yeah I was watching a documentary and one of the shocking things it said is that private prisons make more profit than actual slavery did because slavemasters had to pay to feed and house all their slaves themselves.
The inmate fire fighters get paid 10X the daily prison wage , they get unlimited good food at meal times , in normal prisons you get 1 meal per meal , they get time reduced off there sentences. They get better privileges and better commissary. Its a good program for people who fuck up and want to change there life .
@@carpediem44They are criminals who victimized society. This is how they repay their debt. You’ll be hard pressed to find normal people to feel a lot of sympathy for criminals with multi decade prison sentences not getting a bunch of money for doing a job that reduces their sentence.
“They should be earning a lot more.” These people are in prison. What’s intent of giving them more? So they can own all of the commissary. They’re only so much they can spend, and they’re incurring costs just by being there. If they’re forced into it it’s a problem, if they took the opportunity to do it then frankly the compensation isn’t just monetary. While doing the job they need to be ensured of the same level of safety measures as other firefighters but honestly being concerned about the amount paid is kind of ridiculous.
"Giving" them more? Their firefighting wages aren't a handout. The punishment of prison is loss of liberty -- not having your labor stolen from you. Incarcerated ppl should get paid the same as anyone else to do a hard, high-risk job. Otherwise, it's wage theft by the state.
@@typingperson Stolen would imply they were forced, but they weren't. It's voluntary, and they're happy to do it regardless of the "earnings" that don't really mean anything since they're headed back to prison. Edit: Consider also the impact of insisting they get paid the same as a regular worker. Why would they bother to hire them rather than just hiring another fireman? Seems like that is far more likely to take the opportunity away from them, and they LIKE doing it. It gets them out of prison and building a life skill that they might not be able to otherwise. It's also a function of how far the money goes in prison. Having someone show up with a bunch of cash I'm sure messes up the whole internal economy.
They can use that money to either pay restitution fines or so that when they get out they will be able to pay rent and rejoin society. I had to pay first month rent, last months rent and one month security deposit last time I moved into a new place, how are they supposed to do that? Or are they supposed to get a roomate right out of prison? Most people accepting roomates they don't know at least run some background check.
I live in SoCal and from what I’m hearing from the local news is that police arrested two men burglarizing houses dressed like firefighters. Now private firefighters are not being allowed to enter the area.
Not sure if this was mentioned, but the sad fact is that when a lot of these guys get out of prison, they will be too old to start a career as a fire fighter.
@IndependenceCityMotoring The contradiction is we have a felon as president. Don't you think we can extend fortune to other felons in appropriate professions?
There is zero reason to completely ban those with most felony convictions from being a fire fighter. If someone is saving my life/property I don't care about their past.
@@Quitchangingmy Id put that as highly unlikely. If firefighters are responding to your home they are usually in groups for a medical call or the property is on fire. While theft is possible that seems unlikely. One way to help mitigate that as well is to mandate firefighters wear body cameras which IMHO they already should be in cases of death, injury, or having to go to court.
Why don't they use prisoners for building low income housing,including restructuring abandoned buildings for homeless people. Stop wasting our taxes and really use money effectively.
And they can't build affordable housing if the city codes don't allow for it. A lot of the wealthy petition so that low-income houses can't be built anywhere near them. Edit: I'm sorry...I meant zoning, not city codes.
@@bigheadrhinothis market needs disrupting Further, if it’s government involved, restrictions on the eligible buyers pool to those who haven’t owned a home before wouldn’t affect this market because almost all of us are priced out of it.
@maybe in the short term but it would be even worse than outsourcing, it’s one step above slavery (not talking about morality, talking about economic consequences of an ultra cheap labor force).
I work in property management in Los Angeles and when the fires started, the first thing I said is that rent will increase and rental furniture companies will raise prices. Very unfortunate.
Prisoners should make more??? What planet is she from? Does she know how much it costs taxpayers to house criminals annually? They should be happy they’re getting out f the cell block. These jobs should actually go to citizens looking for work to be honest. Paying them more is just a ridiculous position.
That doesn't make sense. It's not like they have people lining up to be firefighters. And if they did, and the private citizens were getting hired, then the taxpayers will be paying about 20 times as much for the work these prisoners are doing.
@ so it makes more sense to pay even more money to criminals who we already overpay for in taxes a higher wage??? Creating more jobs with a good wage as firefighters in a region that has annual wildfires is a wild idea? Explain your logic, please.
@kickinsnarehat The logic is simple... you don't have enough civilians who want to be firefighters - so they are understaffed anyway. You act like the jobs aren't available. People don't want to fill them. The state won't go broke paying the criminals $25 a day versus 5-10 dollars a day. So what's the big deal? Most likely the criminals in this role aren't violent offenders. What's wrong with them earning a bit more for risking their lives? If you got a problem with how much the prisons charge the taxpayers, then take it up with the policy of privatizing prisons.
@@TheNewHope2010 and where did you get the data to make a statement like we don’t have enough civilians wanting to be firefighters?? Go put in an app at a fire station and see how long the list is. They’re understaffed because their budgets are being cut and we fired a significant amount of tenured firefighters because they wouldn’t get the shot. I’m down for the work program in prisons but increasing the pay was my issue. It’s a voluntary role and no inmates are forced to do it. As another commenter mentioned it can have a very positive outcome on the individual given the experience. You’re just missing the point and making arguments against things I didn’t say and mostly don’t agree with. As a taxpayer we should not be paying them at all. We already are paying for them. One of the inmates in the video said he was in for 17 years. Tell me what non violent crimes get you 17 years?!?
@BeverlyB-tt3zi yeah it's like they just ignored what the inmates themselves had to say about the program. This gives them great skills to have once they leave prison also. There should be more programs like this. Maybe one for homebuilders also.
@@EnoShadow-Walker-i7g don’t engage with him. It’s just a troll who has nothing in their pathetic little life. Leave them alone so now they have nothing
Let's at least have the honesty to acknowledge that we stopped believing in, or investing in, democracy, or the common good of this nation, almost fifty years ago. Here in the U.S. we live on the threshold of open Oligarchy, Neofeudalism, or whatever you want to call it; but we abandoned the idea of public good decades ago. Whether you're a Wall St. Liberal or a Trickledown-syndrome Trumpster, your "Rugged Individual" "Hunger Games" hellscape is now locked irrevocably into place.
There is no world where a person convicted and sentenced by a jury of their peers, a person who broke the rules of society and is punished and incarcerated is entitled to money for a position they volunteered for to reduce their sentence. None
They DO NOT make $5-$10 a day. They make $1 hr from the State AND $5 hrs from the Prison System, PLUS the additional perks of being out and Time knocked off their sentence. So please do your research Krystal.
Bit they are "Incarcerated People". She says that like they are the new protected class. The Bubble peoples opinion should be taken with buckets of salt.
oh so in your mind that's completely different, do your research and get off your high horse -additional perks- please- also if we have a president who is a criminal we should allow these people to have jobs as well
@@clairehelbig3976 ...they are literally in prison, and get time taken off their sentence. They get to decide whether to volunteer here. What exactly is the issue? Do you want us to give them a congressional too? They are incarcerated criminals mate. Notice how the interview never asks them what they're in for.
What about the long term health impacts that these incarcerated folks may suffer from. My brother-in-law was in LA fighting the fires, but returned after getting sick. There's no telling if he suffered permanent health issues and will be brushed off because of the stigma of being incarcerated.
The hydrants ran dry because of high demand, but also because the Santa Ynez res was left empty, which directly feeds those hydrant systems with 40 times more water. And also because the pumps to fill the water towers don't have backup generators.
And also because a lot of water is designated to billionaires like Stewart and Lynda Resnick because their 'The Wonderful Company' is apparently more important than peoples homes and lives.
That's an absurd way to think. You can just name any large store of money and ask "why don't they fix it?"...but there are many things in the world that need fixing. Everyone is competing for funding for their own problems. It's just kind of a brain-dead thing to say. Yeah, the Saudi king could fix it to...but he won't. Why would he?
But this is the government's job. What purpose is there to require private citizens to fix it when it is the gov't job? Gov't employees took oaths to take care of the people. They charge taxes to perform these functions. But you think some private citizen should be responsible?
Leftists always have unlimited sympathy for criminals, but next to none for their innocent victims. I wanna know what that guy did to get 17 years. It certainly wasn’t jaywalking.
just for some added context here.. the prisoners get the hard labor jobs... not the dangerous jobs that the smoke jumpers/ hot shot crews get.. these are not the same.. but yes california and democrats love their slave labor
Free food. Free housing. Free medical care. Free legal representation. Please. Spare me the alligator tears on “slave labor.” They could literally be making $0 in the prison sitting on their ass.
Correction. American loves its slave labor. Prisoners across America are used to make stuff and sold into the market for 10's of Billions of Dollars in exchange for $3.5/day in wages and this market currently sits at over 80+ Billion Dollars and growing.
@Max-qk3xi it's not about a single rich neighborhood. I am saying if I lived anywhere in LA and owned my house and it burned down, assuming I have insurance, I would be cashing out and leaving. It's pretty clear that fires are going to keep happening there, so get out rather than rebuild while the land still has value. If I am renting, I likewise am looking at moving to avoid losing everything. Though I live in FL and keep managing to not lose my house to hurricanes, I keep staying. But if it gets wiped out, it's probably time for me to consider a safer state.
@ nah I feel you I live here in Cali all my life and yeah if shit gets worse I have to dipp so I get what you mean about that but that’s the thing most the media only showing people with wealth loosing homes but those city’s are a melting pot like any so-cal city would be there’s everyone there makes me thinks about my own city they can literally whips it out .. and the fd up part I rather drown in water than to die in fire
@@g00fysmileymost of the people are underinsured. The average is 40-60% underinsured. Which means if they have a house that was 500k when they bought it but would be 2mil to replace, their policy was never properly updated to reflect that. So it might only cover like 900k...
Saagar (like Trump & many others) seems elitist & woefully out of touch with the "Typical Working-Class American Living Situation" - probably because he never had to live it himself.
If anything he shows more empathy than Krystal in this segment. She seems to think all these people are too rich for there house burning down to effect their lives...
No matter what they did to get put in prison they are treated as sub humans by the system. Police treat us on the outside like crap just imagine what it’s like behind bars.
For those raising ire at a $17.5M budget cut; total funding to the fire department was $837M last year and was reduced to $819M. I'm not justifying one or the other but pointing out the media gaslighting us with incomplete information.
bullshit. LAFD got 60 million increase for pensions salaries benefits cause that is all tax parasite firemen care about. same as cops prison guards etc
My mom told me back when people would get arrested for having parking tickets my father actually serve in one of those prison firefighter groups and he felt proud to do it it took away the boredom
My boyfriend was a firefighter who worked with incarcerated prisoners. He said they worked harder and had more heart than many of his own crew members. They weren’t allowed to talk to them while putting fires out.
The number of working class people in pacific palisades watching their houses burn while private FF saved neighbor's houses is probably zero. PP and working class are two different things.
There are tons of people in expensive CA neighborhoods who bought years ago and could no longer afford to buy there now. Not everyone in PP is a baller
They should set up a fund where they get actual wages and are able to cash it out upon release to get back onto their feet. I think the issue with being able to work after release is that felons cannot be certified EMTs and firefighters must be certified EMTs.
@@davisladd6473 without context it can just as easily be said that society failed them instead. Poverty, abuse, etc. so you don’t know them or what happened.
Why would we treat inmate firefighters the same as regular firefighters?? They forgone that when they committed their crime. It working as a function to give them a sense of love and community for better rehabilitation is payment enough. Could there be improvements to stigma on hiring after release? Absolutely! Could it shave off some sentence time? That'd have to be case dependent, but I'm not against it as long as it's done in a thoroughly judicious way.
The city firefighters discriminated against the prison firefighters, not letting them use their showers or interacting with them at all. All of the fellas our there have been without showering for up to 5 days and have to work in 24 hr rotations. 24 hours in a camp to fight the fires, 24 hours back at the R&R camp to "rest and debrief". Shoutout to Rick Caruso...
@@dev_ilmoonno they’re not. The prisoners are far ahead of the fires digging trenches and clearing dead trees. They are not wearing turnouts or carrying hoses. They are not sourcing water, not spraying a fire, not evacuating anyone, they’re not even in the fire rigs. What they do is incredibly important, don’t get me wrong. But they’re not firefighters nor do they work alongside them.
@ they are fire fighters, they are literally fighting the fires. Now you can not pick about their responsibilities and proximity to the fire. They’re are still breathing dangerous air, and in a perilous situation. There is no reason to not let them use showers that are also paid for by tax payers. They don’t need to be showering WITH the other firefighters but they certainly deserve to use them.
The prisoners aren’t forced to do this. They choose to be one of the ones that get to train and do this. Which is great, because then you’re getting the most intrinsically motivated individuals and not the ones who are just money motivated. This gives these guys a sense of self respect and a way to give back to their communities in a way that may help them forgive themselves for past behavior.
Landlords exploiting the suffering and immiseration of huge swaths of climate refugees? That's the second most American thing I've heard all day. The first was when I heard about how these inmates are manning the front lines so the, "heroes," don't have to risk their own necks.
Climate refugees!? Bro, this was arson, in what's literally a desert climate... You can't blame climate change when the facts show blatant neglect... And really what has changed here!? CA has been allowing landlords to drive the less fortunate straight out of LA. The messaging is so fake and backwards I'm confused to why and how ppl still fall for the propaganda...
The most American thing is middle-class Americans voting to maintain a system where this type of price gouging is even possible. The way working class Americans set themselves on fire to keep rich people warm needs to be studied by a psychologist.
I am renting out my home for fair market value because I also have friends who lost their homes and I dont have the stomach to jack up prices but now I have 15 people per day demanding to pay more to get the property as rentals are scarce right now. I dont know what to do and I am prioritizing renting out to my friends and friends of my friends for fair price first. Another factor is that some people's insurance covers rent and the renters can bid up to the maximum of what the insurance covers leaving those with no insurance coverage unable to compete.
This is how a free market economy works with autoregulation that adapts to supply and demand. Again I dont have the stomach to charge what I can actually get but I dont see how controlling the rent is going to change the outcome anyways. The fact is that the supply is limited due to billionaire real estate investors donating to democrats in our state to artificially limit supply of properties so the billionaires can maintain their value with bullshit zoning laws. Another problem is billionaire couple that controls the water donating to democrats in our state to dump our 95% of our natural water so they can maintain their monopoly of water sales. You see the trend here?
Taxpayers are feeding and clothing these guys. They are fortunate to be getting their pay while in jail. What is sad, however, is the way we treat these guys, who now have work experience, once their jail time is up. It should be considered discrimination for employers to refuse to hire a former prisoner who has served his time. He has paid his dues.
There is a CDOC fire camp in my area and I’ve seen the guys out managing fuel for years when out mountain biking, they all seem happy to be there. Oddly enough the owner of the landscaping company I use is a “graduate” of this program and has hired several other guys out of it after their release. They are all great guys making good money after paying their debt to society.
Wild that they can, correctly, identify less housing supply as a driver for higher housing costs, but fail to see that expansion of the housing supply would push prices down....
It should be discriminatory against renters the fact the these people sitting in the multimillion dollar houses pay a fraction in property taxes….these same people lobby against new construction and further contribute to housing shortages meanwhile cry when then overinflated house cost leads to higher insurance premiums and taxes. People are so disgusting they just want housing hyperinflation but for everyone else to foot their bill.
There is a difference between price gouging and supply and demand. Even if they didn't raise prices people will over bid anyways I know this for a fact trying to buy a house when rates hit 2.5% people were overbidding 200k on houses. Asking renters to decline accepting higher offers for their property is pure insanity.
When the floods were affecting central CA, the same thing happened because landlords knew insurance companies would pay. I saw people paying up to 200% more than regular rents in my city.
Sager seems to miss the point that the devastation has happened in Republican areas as well Florida Texas need we go on. Climate disruptions have nothing to do with the local governments, and the devastation does not seem to care whether one is left, leaning or right wing leaning.
After two hurricanes and losing my residence in one, one thing no one mentions in these are the disaster contractors. Thousands of contractors personnel show up needing to go to work immediately with blank checks from insurance companies. Many are facing lawsuits if they don't get the repairs done ASAP and money is truly no issue to them. You can't be that upset about the rent because theres no way anyplace will be available anyways.
Californian here. Regulatory burdens are not the primary factor affecting housing costs. That's YIMBY propaganda. The real factor is that development is driven by speculatory private equity seeking maximum returns. Do your homework.
Zoning regulations are absolutely a factor in the housing crisis. 94% of residential land in San Jose is zoned exclusively for large single family homes, and basic apartments often take years to get approval if at all. The entire city of San Francisco approved a whopping *16 housing units* in the first half of 2024. Do you really think that's due to some private equity plan to gouging the shit out of people? Or is it more likely because it takes on average over 1000 days to get approval for a new housing project in the city? The fact is that both the Bay Area and LA (as well as the other metro areas with the worst housing crisises) have added several times as many jobs as they have new housing units over the past decade. Unless you fix that you'll still have a housing shortage, even if you remove all the corporate interests at play
13th amendment clearly states that all forms of slavery is banned except for prisoners So the government has their own exempt form of it Kanye west talked about abolishing the 13th amendment and people thought he was crazy since it bans slavery but it really just gives it to the government
I didn’t vote for it, but my fellow Californians vote for prison slavery in the last election and Kamala Harris has fought to protect it. Republicans where you at?
Why would you pay the inmates more? They aren’t forced to join the program and live day by day off taxpayers. To be even have the option to be able to do anything outside of prison is a luxury.
Kinda messed up that if a Insurance of any kind concludes that they likely may have to pay out on a type of event, they can just cancel their coverage of that event willy nelly. But I remember when I was signing up for insurance, every company in my Midwest town had silly add on that they said were part of packages and couldn't be removed. For my home insurance, there's like exotic animal protection in case I'm ever attacked by a Lion in my yard... it's only like 20 cents a month. But wtf. Come on? I live in a suburban Midwest small town. I know my neighbors. None of them have a Lion or Tiger. It seems like a method to just penny-pinch. They shouldn't be able to have unnecessary protections unless the homeowner wants them. If they're also able to cancel actual protections for people.
Most of them are in their for non- violent offences. But regardless being in prison is the punishment you shouldn't be punished more for being in prison.
@@purposefully.verbose Yeah, but Piker? Dude that claims to be a socialist but comes from hella wealthy people? Yeah no, F that guy. He is the pompous goon you refer too. Bet you don't hold that standard across the board.
The idea that uninsured houses would be let burn is historical fiction. Look at Tom Scott's apology video for propagating this myth. Private firefighters in Britain would still fight fires in uninsured buildings, they just prioritized insured buildings, because as Katie rightly said fires spread.
Before starting i just want to know if they accept that California rejected a law banning this, that it is not mandatory. And these people were jailed in prison where they don't even arrest most criminals
There's a list of insurance which canceled policies in the fire areas. I'm in Washington State and we had our insurance canceled so we had to get a new insurance company and our price doubled. I believe we need government oversight on what insurance companies are doing to consumers. I personally reported the insurance company that cancelled us to the Washington State Insurance Commissioner.
If there was a company that could charge you a lower rate they would. Mass cancelations happen when government prevents necessary price increases for too long. There is no reason to bankrupt your insurance company because Washington or California force you to have policies at a cost that don't cover losses.
@joebuslife9275 The Property insurance industry got $88 Billion in profit in 2023, which was its most profitable year of ALL TIME. That’s from NAIC (Natl. Assoc. of Insurance Commissioners) and Insurance Journal, not some lefty group. So NO, they’re not going bankrupt.
Thank you for shining a light on these inmates. Americans reflexively dehumanize convicts. I appreciate anyone who endeavors to build bridges/create empathy.
The people paying private firefighters are still paying their taxes and are entitled to public resources. If you hire a chauffeur they don’t have to build their own roads to drive you around.
Where's all this water coming from when we see a boom in the private fire fighter industry? Your chauffeur analogy is on point, but not for the reason you think. We can't afford the roads we currently have, so let's build more and widen them.
I graduated from such a program in CA as a juvenile. Number 1, wage had nothing to do with my decision to accept placement in this program. 2nd, nobody is forced to participate. It is an opportunity to do something to better yourself instead of rotting away in a cell.
This program TRULY changed my life. It offered me something far greater than any dollar value would have. It made me feel trusted, important, valuable, and instilled a discipline that I somehow lost in my teenage years.
I was really sad to learn that the camp I attended has since been shut down.
Crystal wants them to organize an union.
I know a guy who did this program and his life was changed for ever.
Thank you for fighting to keep communities safe. Best of luck to you!
I think work initiatives like this are good.
One issue I can think of though is that the private corporations that run the prisons gets paid for providing the workforce.
Not sure what a US firefighter earns, if they earn $500 per person per day, I would imagine that the prison service can get paid $250 per person per day, maybe even up to $350.
IMO, there isn't any reason they can't pay a wage that will help set yourself up for when you leave. Even if they actually still pay $10 a day direct to you but put $50-90 into a savings account.
But also I would imagine if the prison service wasn't getting paid as much, they would probably punish the inmates by taking away the programme.
I live in LA. I appreciate the program. Only wish that you guys were paid more. Would love to see the state set aside a little money for when you do leave prison.
@@persuademe Your points are definitely accurate. The other issue is that in various states (not as much California) but its very common in others like Alabama for example, for the prisons and corporations to run a long term racket to keep supplying the prisoners to the local economy as a workforce. It creates an incentive in the justice system (like judges who decide sentence length and boards who decide parole) to have as many people locked up as possible and for as long as possible. Also, these are states that don't pay well for normal jobs to begin with, so you know that the rate for prisoners to work is literally pennies on the dollar. This decreases the wages and amount of work options for the law-abiding residents that live there. What ALWAYS happens in an area where employment opportunities decrease? Crime rises. That leads to more arrests... Welcome to an endless cycle.
I hear this guy talk about being treated like a human, see his pride, see his joy, and I think, "Wow - it's almost like our prison system is broken or something.....".
As a previous Wildland firefighter who worked with Wildfire Con crews, I can say from my experience they really enjoy this program. Its not perfect, but they do get paid way more than other work options so they leave prison with money to help them transition. They also talk a lot about the experience of people thanking them, appreciating them and feeling a sense of pride. I think we have a tendency to look at programs to see everything wrong with them, not what parts work, and there is so much backlash its hard to keep them running.
Fair enough. My only problem with it is they make $10 a day... Let's say a prisoner fights a fire for a month... He made $300... Let's say he does it for 4 months.... He has $1200
If I was released onto the streets with very little family and friends and no job and no address... $1200 wouldn't be enough to find housing... Gotta have a place of residence to get a job... Can't have a place of residence without a job... Most places won't hire ex felons...
No wonder most who are imprisoned end up back in prison...
@@roscojenkins7451the money is not the point of the program. I find it ironic that people that complain about capitalism the most are the most obsessed with money. This is a program for integration, not to make them money.
You point out a great point. For some people who grew up in a bad place, they have never felt good about anything they’ve done in life, never felt like people accepted them into the larger community. Getting a chance to work hard and accomplish something good is meaningful.
At the end of the day, a lot of these people did bad things and are being punished. So expecting this to give them some big reward is silly. It’s time where they aren’t involved in the terrible day to day of prison. That’s valuable right there.
@Bleepbloopblappp the ultimate question is. Should prison strictly be about punishment or should it be about rehabilitation? Someone steals a TV and gets locked up for 5 years and yea they got to spend some of their time fighting fired and doing net good... That's great... But then they come out and have no assistance for getting their life back on track and eventually most end up committing crimes again...
@TheDarkLasombra how do the integrate once they are out? The system is set up to push them to commit crimes as their only avenue and they ultimately end up back in prison
I’m a 20 year firefighter in Southern California California that has worked alongside some of the inmate hand crews. This is by far the fairest reporting I’ve ever heard of regarding the crews. The only thing I would add is that inmate hand crew are type two crews where they build containment line well ahead of the fire. Type 1 crews build line right on the fire. It’s a difference in training and qualification. That being said hand crew work is the dirtiest and hardest work there is in firefighting. My large agency in SoCal have hired many of these folks.
these inmates should be the real billionaires in net worth. not the actuall billionaires like elon musk. even then i dont think anyone should have a net worth of over 5 billion.
@BrianSzymczak-d2n haha. Dumbest thing I've read today
Thank you for sharing this brother
So LA cuts fire department funding, and relies on prisoners to fight fires, what exactly are Californians paying the highest taxes in the country for? Where is this money going?
To Rich Capital Owners and their Projects.
Don't you know how Capitalism works?
To people like Hasan and Krystal.
To fund the empire and its allies like Israel.
Can stop this BS? CA only has the highest MARGINAL tax rate in the country, it does not have the highest effective tax rate or highest total tax rates in the country, and for people earning median household income in CA of $95k, CA effective tax rates are 5.1%. Secondly, this disaster has absolutely nothing to do with government policy. Go look at number of acres burned per year going back to the 1950s, it's been relatively in the same range, regardless of govt policy or which party was in power. What's changed is where people started building their houses putting them more at risk of damage.
@@nocheckmarkgames that’s called crony capitalism…
I don't agree with Hasan on many things but this is commendable
Still don’t trust him
@@kdsavage1991like Ben Shapiro
@@kdsavage1991definitely don’t trust him.
At least you’re willing to admit that. I get flak all the time for acknowledging good deeds and integrity across the board regardless of whether the person typically aligns with my personal beliefs. But I would have it no other way because then I’d be losing _my integrity._
Hassan is annoying and socially awkward but he has consistently good takes.
this is the definition of "repaying your debt to society". Given that their decisions cost the taxpayer thousands upon thousands of dollars a year, this is a great program. The skills they carry should absolutely follow them once they are out, and they should be fast tracked to the frontline of fire fighting job openings.
No, it's the definition of slavery.
Everything about the comment is good except costing tax payers thousands each year, there are far richer people that cost taxpayers millions each year, and they are not being reprimanded for it.
Based on your description, imagine what the elites have to pay for their debt in society, killing dreams of future generations for luxuries and yachts. They mocked God at Golden Globes and next day biggest fire in USA history that directly affects those people. That's Devine Justice in full display. Planets are aligned and we are in a year of paying back karmic dues. It's coming for all of us at a global level. Everything is by design, a rise in collective consciousness and AI is making it obvious. Truth is getting revealed and global changes are coming. We have entered a new age in human consciousness, individual and collective.
@dev_ilmoon Divine Justice is coming for all of us.
They definitely shouldn’t be paid like Firefighters but they should get paid at least the minimum wage.
We pay so much in taxes, yet we get nothing, not even firefighting
You get the police, the police that takes 2-3X , not the next item on the budget list BUT ALL ITEMS COMBINED. My friend who lives near LA had her bar broken into, and the cops told her to fill in a form, nobody even showed up.
These Private prisons double dip. Paid to house the prisoner then again paid to provide prisoner labor for employers. A great deal for Private prison operators.
Can you show me the support that the government pays the prisons to use their labor? Or do they just pay the prisoners?
Yeah I was watching a documentary and one of the shocking things it said is that private prisons make more profit than actual slavery did because slavemasters had to pay to feed and house all their slaves themselves.
The REAL LOOTERS aren't poor.
Both are looters. Don’t defend criminals
🗣🗣🗣
Truth.
FACTS
Landlords seeing the devastation and wondering “how much can I take?”
What are they, some sort of suicide squad?
The Dirty 10 Dozen😂
😆🤣
😂
Heroes is the term you’re looking for.
The inmate fire fighters get paid 10X the daily prison wage , they get unlimited good food at meal times , in normal prisons you get 1 meal per meal , they get time reduced off there sentences. They get better privileges and better commissary. Its a good program for people who fuck up and want to change there life .
Good that your ok with basically slave labor👍
Now, mention HOW MUCH prison wages are. 0.15/hour? 0.20/hour?
How much is TWENTY CENTS x 10
PER HOUR?
@@carpediem44They are criminals who victimized society. This is how they repay their debt. You’ll be hard pressed to find normal people to feel a lot of sympathy for criminals with multi decade prison sentences not getting a bunch of money for doing a job that reduces their sentence.
No Sagar, we the people can't afford a hotel for $400 a night.
Well Saagar can, that’s what counts🤣
Lmao when he guesstimated . Very out of touch.
I don’t even watch this channel much anymore and I used to daily. Cause of takes like this
Speak for yourself
He didn’t say this at all in the video??
“They should be earning a lot more.” These people are in prison. What’s intent of giving them more? So they can own all of the commissary. They’re only so much they can spend, and they’re incurring costs just by being there. If they’re forced into it it’s a problem, if they took the opportunity to do it then frankly the compensation isn’t just monetary. While doing the job they need to be ensured of the same level of safety measures as other firefighters but honestly being concerned about the amount paid is kind of ridiculous.
"Giving" them more? Their firefighting wages aren't a handout. The punishment of prison is loss of liberty -- not having your labor stolen from you.
Incarcerated ppl should get paid the same as anyone else to do a hard, high-risk job. Otherwise, it's wage theft by the state.
@@typingperson Stolen would imply they were forced, but they weren't. It's voluntary, and they're happy to do it regardless of the "earnings" that don't really mean anything since they're headed back to prison.
Edit: Consider also the impact of insisting they get paid the same as a regular worker. Why would they bother to hire them rather than just hiring another fireman? Seems like that is far more likely to take the opportunity away from them, and they LIKE doing it. It gets them out of prison and building a life skill that they might not be able to otherwise. It's also a function of how far the money goes in prison. Having someone show up with a bunch of cash I'm sure messes up the whole internal economy.
They can use that money to either pay restitution fines or so that when they get out they will be able to pay rent and rejoin society. I had to pay first month rent, last months rent and one month security deposit last time I moved into a new place, how are they supposed to do that? Or are they supposed to get a roomate right out of prison? Most people accepting roomates they don't know at least run some background check.
@@CrypticFoxGaming Considering the massive amount of money the private prison system makes off these people, I think they could be paid more.
Black rock is coming to the rescue
Ooofh 😖….brutal, but true.
I live in SoCal and from what I’m hearing from the local news is that police arrested two men burglarizing houses dressed like firefighters. Now private firefighters are not being allowed to enter the area.
$2,000 an hire. Fuck i'll protect Spielberg's house, lol.
They got Owned 😂😂
Not sure if this was mentioned, but the sad fact is that when a lot of these guys get out of prison, they will be too old to start a career as a fire fighter.
Would they qualify as felons, probably not.
I heard they can’t even apply because they’re felons and you can’t get that job with a felony.
Maybe don't commit crimes that ruin other people's lives then?
@@thenoneckpeoplerepresentat8074 They are allowed while in jail but not when get free. That makes zero sense.
@IndependenceCityMotoring The contradiction is we have a felon as president. Don't you think we can extend fortune to other felons in appropriate professions?
There is zero reason to completely ban those with most felony convictions from being a fire fighter. If someone is saving my life/property I don't care about their past.
@@Quitchangingmy Id put that as highly unlikely. If firefighters are responding to your home they are usually in groups for a medical call or the property is on fire. While theft is possible that seems unlikely. One way to help mitigate that as well is to mandate firefighters wear body cameras which IMHO they already should be in cases of death, injury, or having to go to court.
@@keiththoma2559You may find it highly unlikely that people with a history of committing crimes might commit more crimes, but the rest of us do not.
Must be a Canadian. Anything for property, doesn’t matter what consequences follow
My friend, who is a cop, says they have a nickname for firefighters. Land pirates.
Until they steal your stuff from your house
Why don't they use prisoners for building low income housing,including restructuring abandoned buildings for homeless people. Stop wasting our taxes and really use money effectively.
That would disrupt the market. It’s essentially free labor competing with people in the private sector (contractors, real estate developers, etc).
And they can't build affordable housing if the city codes don't allow for it.
A lot of the wealthy petition so that low-income houses can't be built anywhere near them.
Edit: I'm sorry...I meant zoning, not city codes.
@@bigheadrhinothis market needs disrupting
Further, if it’s government involved, restrictions on the eligible buyers pool to those who haven’t owned a home before wouldn’t affect this market because almost all of us are priced out of it.
@maybe in the short term but it would be even worse than outsourcing, it’s one step above slavery (not talking about morality, talking about economic consequences of an ultra cheap labor force).
This is great idea but
It would disrupt the market greatly
I work in property management in Los Angeles and when the fires started, the first thing I said is that rent will increase and rental furniture companies will raise prices. Very unfortunate.
It is just supply and demand. There is a set limit of rentals, and now there are tens of thousands new renters.
Working in property management and have the audacity to act like you have sympathy. That's rich, you're part of the problem :)
Prisoners should make more??? What planet is she from? Does she know how much it costs taxpayers to house criminals annually? They should be happy they’re getting out f the cell block. These jobs should actually go to citizens looking for work to be honest. Paying them more is just a ridiculous position.
That doesn't make sense. It's not like they have people lining up to be firefighters. And if they did, and the private citizens were getting hired, then the taxpayers will be paying about 20 times as much for the work these prisoners are doing.
The worst criminal is the president, these are poor criminals, that's why they make you hate them.
@ so it makes more sense to pay even more money to criminals who we already overpay for in taxes a higher wage??? Creating more jobs with a good wage as firefighters in a region that has annual wildfires is a wild idea? Explain your logic, please.
@kickinsnarehat The logic is simple... you don't have enough civilians who want to be firefighters - so they are understaffed anyway. You act like the jobs aren't available. People don't want to fill them.
The state won't go broke paying the criminals $25 a day versus 5-10 dollars a day. So what's the big deal?
Most likely the criminals in this role aren't violent offenders. What's wrong with them earning a bit more for risking their lives?
If you got a problem with how much the prisons charge the taxpayers, then take it up with the policy of privatizing prisons.
@@TheNewHope2010 and where did you get the data to make a statement like we don’t have enough civilians wanting to be firefighters?? Go put in an app at a fire station and see how long the list is. They’re understaffed because their budgets are being cut and we fired a significant amount of tenured firefighters because they wouldn’t get the shot. I’m down for the work program in prisons but increasing the pay was my issue. It’s a voluntary role and no inmates are forced to do it. As another commenter mentioned it can have a very positive outcome on the individual given the experience. You’re just missing the point and making arguments against things I didn’t say and mostly don’t agree with. As a taxpayer we should not be paying them at all. We already are paying for them. One of the inmates in the video said he was in for 17 years. Tell me what non violent crimes get you 17 years?!?
I have absolutely no issue with this program.
These two are so out of touch
@BeverlyB-tt3zi yeah it's like they just ignored what the inmates themselves had to say about the program. This gives them great skills to have once they leave prison also. There should be more programs like this. Maybe one for homebuilders also.
10 dollars a day and when released can't get a minimum wage job
and whose fault is that ?
@litedawg yours
@@EnoShadow-Walker-i7g I’ll take the blame as you’ve mistaken me for someone who gives a flip about California inmates
@@EnoShadow-Walker-i7g don’t engage with him. It’s just a troll who has nothing in their pathetic little life. Leave them alone so now they have nothing
So do you want them perpetually punished, or should they have a way to integrate back into society? @@litedawg
Correction: Texas has the highest incarcerated population with over 130K
Texas loves punishment. Forget "corrections." They rely on the Bible for their laws.
You need to adjust for total population size tho
Yeah the private prison industry is infamously huuuuge in Texas.
That’s because they Actually, arrest offenders, not slap in one hand and let them go to reoffend again
Let's at least have the honesty to acknowledge that we stopped believing in, or investing in, democracy, or the common good of this nation, almost fifty years ago.
Here in the U.S. we live on the threshold of open Oligarchy, Neofeudalism, or whatever you want to call it; but we abandoned the idea of public good decades ago.
Whether you're a Wall St. Liberal or a Trickledown-syndrome Trumpster, your "Rugged Individual" "Hunger Games" hellscape is now locked irrevocably into place.
2:42 “incarcerated people”😂 I think you mean convicted criminals, Krystal.
That are fighting the fires, but sure, word policing is super important.
Yes, just like Trump but actually incarcerated 😮
no, she got it right.
I had to borrow fire fighting hoses to protect the house I rent during the mountain fire. The govt isn't coming to save you. Prepare now.
There is no world where a person convicted and sentenced by a jury of their peers, a person who broke the rules of society and is punished and incarcerated is entitled to money for a position they volunteered for to reduce their sentence. None
well said
I think some of you just enjoy punishing poor people
@russelljames5631 How is doing something you volunteered for punishing you?
They DO NOT make $5-$10 a day. They make $1 hr from the State AND $5 hrs from the Prison System, PLUS the additional perks of being out and Time knocked off their sentence. So please do your research Krystal.
Bit they are "Incarcerated People". She says that like they are the new protected class. The Bubble peoples opinion should be taken with buckets of salt.
oh so in your mind that's completely different, do your research and get off your high horse -additional perks- please- also if we have a president who is a criminal we should allow these people to have jobs as well
how much to you think it cost to keep low level criminals in jail - hint corporations are trying to privitize them.
@@clairehelbig3976 ...they are literally in prison, and get time taken off their sentence. They get to decide whether to volunteer here. What exactly is the issue? Do you want us to give them a congressional too? They are incarcerated criminals mate. Notice how the interview never asks them what they're in for.
Damn so like what, $10 a day lol
What about the long term health impacts that these incarcerated folks may suffer from. My brother-in-law was in LA fighting the fires, but returned after getting sick. There's no telling if he suffered permanent health issues and will be brushed off because of the stigma of being incarcerated.
Long term, there will be less stabbings on the street.
Don't volunteer for it then
Ask that prisoner what he did to get those 17 years.
Yeah I was kinda wondering that. Despite what some people think, you gotta do something serious for 17 years
Frs you ain't wrong
No, in their bubble those men are all in there for smoking weed.
Either treat these men like FIRE FIGHTERS
or do NOT use their labor. Period.
He pulled the label off a mattress
The hydrants ran dry because of high demand, but also because the Santa Ynez res was left empty, which directly feeds those hydrant systems with 40 times more water. And also because the pumps to fill the water towers don't have backup generators.
And also because a lot of water is designated to billionaires like Stewart and Lynda Resnick because their 'The Wonderful Company' is apparently more important than peoples homes and lives.
Disaster capitalism is a sign of late stage capitalism
ehhh ok
Lol no such thing it's just a stupid slogan you got from Krystal and her kind. Just like living pay check to pay check.
Nah. It’s early stage socialism
What kind of ego do you have to have to think that you are the peak of human understanding? "Late stage capitalism" implies you know the future.
@@em3sis I don't think you know what late stage capitalism is.
Elon Musk alone could pick up the tab of all the losses of this entire disaster, and still be worth over $300 billion after. Let that sink in
Why would he throw good money after bad investments though
That's an absurd way to think. You can just name any large store of money and ask "why don't they fix it?"...but there are many things in the world that need fixing. Everyone is competing for funding for their own problems. It's just kind of a brain-dead thing to say. Yeah, the Saudi king could fix it to...but he won't. Why would he?
It's a shame it's not up to him to backstop bad policy.
EDS is the new TDS
But this is the government's job. What purpose is there to require private citizens to fix it when it is the gov't job? Gov't employees took oaths to take care of the people. They charge taxes to perform these functions. But you think some private citizen should be responsible?
good on hasan for doing this
lol nothing about Hasan is "good." He's a grifting nepo baby.
Leftists always have unlimited sympathy for criminals, but next to none for their innocent victims. I wanna know what that guy did to get 17 years. It certainly wasn’t jaywalking.
just for some added context here.. the prisoners get the hard labor jobs... not the dangerous jobs that the smoke jumpers/ hot shot crews get.. these are not the same.. but yes california and democrats love their slave labor
The 13th amendment allows for criminals to be used as slave labor. Every prison practices it not just California.
Free food. Free housing. Free medical care. Free legal representation. Please. Spare me the alligator tears on “slave labor.” They could literally be making $0 in the prison sitting on their ass.
Correction. American loves its slave labor. Prisoners across America are used to make stuff and sold into the market for 10's of Billions of Dollars in exchange for $3.5/day in wages and this market currently sits at over 80+ Billion Dollars and growing.
It's not forced, soooo... umm. Yeah!
@@calisoleil3692 that and every state prison uses low wage prisoner labor not just California.
Honestly if I am in LA and I am house rich, If the insurance is paying out the fire damage, I take the check, sell the land, and move.
Yeah that’s just in one neighborhood what about all the people who are not rich that probably won’t even get help
@Max-qk3xi it's not about a single rich neighborhood. I am saying if I lived anywhere in LA and owned my house and it burned down, assuming I have insurance, I would be cashing out and leaving. It's pretty clear that fires are going to keep happening there, so get out rather than rebuild while the land still has value.
If I am renting, I likewise am looking at moving to avoid losing everything. Though I live in FL and keep managing to not lose my house to hurricanes, I keep staying. But if it gets wiped out, it's probably time for me to consider a safer state.
@ nah I feel you I live here in Cali all my life and yeah if shit gets worse I have to dipp so I get what you mean about that but that’s the thing most the media only showing people with wealth loosing homes but those city’s are a melting pot like any so-cal city would be there’s everyone there makes me thinks about my own city they can literally whips it out .. and the fd up part I rather drown in water than to die in fire
@@g00fysmileymost of the people are underinsured. The average is 40-60% underinsured. Which means if they have a house that was 500k when they bought it but would be 2mil to replace, their policy was never properly updated to reflect that. So it might only cover like 900k...
Better than nothing ig since some people lost coverage completely and never got coverage to replace it before the fires happened.
Saagar (like Trump & many others) seems elitist & woefully out of touch with the "Typical Working-Class American Living Situation" - probably because he never had to live it himself.
If anything he shows more empathy than Krystal in this segment. She seems to think all these people are too rich for there house burning down to effect their lives...
No matter what they did to get put in prison they are treated as sub humans by the system. Police treat us on the outside like crap just imagine what it’s like behind bars.
This ain’t the Hilton.
so if one of the murdered your mom you’d be fine with it as long as they are treated right
For those raising ire at a $17.5M budget cut; total funding to the fire department was $837M last year and was reduced to $819M. I'm not justifying one or the other but pointing out the media gaslighting us with incomplete information.
bullshit. LAFD got 60 million increase for pensions salaries benefits cause that is all tax parasite firemen care about. same as cops prison guards etc
Landlords are not parasites don't think that people! They are just making money off your hard work why they own stuff
Why is she complaining about $5-10/day?
Whats the price on freedom? Freedom from the prison cell and literally getting your sentence reduced.
My mom told me back when people would get arrested for having parking tickets my father actually serve in one of those prison firefighter groups and he felt proud to do it it took away the boredom
My boyfriend was a firefighter who worked with incarcerated prisoners. He said they worked harder and had more heart than many of his own crew members. They weren’t allowed to talk to them while putting fires out.
What's crazy is that they only let non violent criminals do the job... PDF s get less than 15 years
The number of working class people in pacific palisades watching their houses burn while private FF saved neighbor's houses is probably zero. PP and working class are two different things.
There are tons of people in expensive CA neighborhoods who bought years ago and could no longer afford to buy there now. Not everyone in PP is a baller
They should set up a fund where they get actual wages and are able to cash it out upon release to get back onto their feet. I think the issue with being able to work after release is that felons cannot be certified EMTs and firefighters must be certified EMTs.
Prison is a punishment for extreme anti social behavior. They don’t get the right to make the same kind of money.
They have a debt to society
@@davisladd6473so you don’t believe in rehabilitation at all?
@@davisladd6473 without context it can just as easily be said that society failed them instead. Poverty, abuse, etc. so you don’t know them or what happened.
@@ecosocialist916 omg LOL whoo boy , so nothing about personal responsibility, its just someone elses fault right?
@@litedawgthen the people in NC can pull their selves up.
Why would we treat inmate firefighters the same as regular firefighters?? They forgone that when they committed their crime. It working as a function to give them a sense of love and community for better rehabilitation is payment enough.
Could there be improvements to stigma on hiring after release? Absolutely!
Could it shave off some sentence time? That'd have to be case dependent, but I'm not against it as long as it's done in a thoroughly judicious way.
The city firefighters discriminated against the prison firefighters, not letting them use their showers or interacting with them at all. All of the fellas our there have been without showering for up to 5 days and have to work in 24 hr rotations. 24 hours in a camp to fight the fires, 24 hours back at the R&R camp to "rest and debrief". Shoutout to Rick Caruso...
Coachella donated mobile showers fortunately but it's horrible that donations is what it came down to
Of course actual firefighters don't want to shower with prisoners.
@@GabrielWJensenyea but they’re risking their life just like them, they’re working alongside each other.
@@dev_ilmoonno they’re not. The prisoners are far ahead of the fires digging trenches and clearing dead trees. They are not wearing turnouts or carrying hoses. They are not sourcing water, not spraying a fire, not evacuating anyone, they’re not even in the fire rigs.
What they do is incredibly important, don’t get me wrong. But they’re not firefighters nor do they work alongside them.
@ they are fire fighters, they are literally fighting the fires. Now you can not pick about their responsibilities and proximity to the fire. They’re are still breathing dangerous air, and in a perilous situation.
There is no reason to not let them use showers that are also paid for by tax payers. They don’t need to be showering WITH the other firefighters but they certainly deserve to use them.
The prisoners aren’t forced to do this. They choose to be one of the ones that get to train and do this. Which is great, because then you’re getting the most intrinsically motivated individuals and not the ones who are just money motivated. This gives these guys a sense of self respect and a way to give back to their communities in a way that may help them forgive themselves for past behavior.
Landlords exploiting the suffering and immiseration of huge swaths of climate refugees? That's the second most American thing I've heard all day. The first was when I heard about how these inmates are manning the front lines so the, "heroes," don't have to risk their own necks.
@intricatic Climate refugees? Maybe a climate of government corruption. Would you prefer we kept prisoners in prisons instead of being put to work?
Climate refugees!? Bro, this was arson, in what's literally a desert climate... You can't blame climate change when the facts show blatant neglect... And really what has changed here!? CA has been allowing landlords to drive the less fortunate straight out of LA. The messaging is so fake and backwards I'm confused to why and how ppl still fall for the propaganda...
The most American thing is middle-class Americans voting to maintain a system where this type of price gouging is even possible. The way working class Americans set themselves on fire to keep rich people warm needs to be studied by a psychologist.
I am renting out my home for fair market value because I also have friends who lost their homes and I dont have the stomach to jack up prices but now I have 15 people per day demanding to pay more to get the property as rentals are scarce right now. I dont know what to do and I am prioritizing renting out to my friends and friends of my friends for fair price first. Another factor is that some people's insurance covers rent and the renters can bid up to the maximum of what the insurance covers leaving those with no insurance coverage unable to compete.
This is how a free market economy works with autoregulation that adapts to supply and demand. Again I dont have the stomach to charge what I can actually get but I dont see how controlling the rent is going to change the outcome anyways. The fact is that the supply is limited due to billionaire real estate investors donating to democrats in our state to artificially limit supply of properties so the billionaires can maintain their value with bullshit zoning laws. Another problem is billionaire couple that controls the water donating to democrats in our state to dump our 95% of our natural water so they can maintain their monopoly of water sales.
You see the trend here?
Taxpayers are feeding and clothing these guys. They are fortunate to be getting their pay while in jail.
What is sad, however, is the way we treat these guys, who now have work experience, once their jail time is up. It should be considered discrimination for employers to refuse to hire a former prisoner who has served his time. He has paid his dues.
There is a CDOC fire camp in my area and I’ve seen the guys out managing fuel for years when out mountain biking, they all seem happy to be there.
Oddly enough the owner of the landscaping company I use is a “graduate” of this program and has hired several other guys out of it after their release. They are all great guys making good money after paying their debt to society.
The inmate firefighters should get reduced time in prison for their service.
My inner child thinks the prisoner firefighter program is so cool! I'm glad they were interviewed.
Yeah, honestly sounds like a great program. Only the most out of touch liberal elites would see it as a negative (cough Krystal).
Wild that they can, correctly, identify less housing supply as a driver for higher housing costs, but fail to see that expansion of the housing supply would push prices down....
The prisoners more qualified than the the people being paid 750000 a year
It should be discriminatory against renters the fact the these people sitting in the multimillion dollar houses pay a fraction in property taxes….these same people lobby against new construction and further contribute to housing shortages meanwhile cry when then overinflated house cost leads to higher insurance premiums and taxes. People are so disgusting they just want housing hyperinflation but for everyone else to foot their bill.
There is a difference between price gouging and supply and demand. Even if they didn't raise prices people will over bid anyways I know this for a fact trying to buy a house when rates hit 2.5% people were overbidding 200k on houses. Asking renters to decline accepting higher offers for their property is pure insanity.
Exactly!
This is classic gouging, it’s not insane to demand not to double prices.
@@memecakes4436it really is insane tho
For non-violent offenders, they should let these guys go.
Seriously, they’re doing the needful.
Mayor Bass: Let's cut the fire department and increase the police budget so we can replace the higher paid labor with cheap prison labor.
When the floods were affecting central CA, the same thing happened because landlords knew insurance companies would pay. I saw people paying up to 200% more than regular rents in my city.
Landlords have to pay for higher insurance.
Yup!
Newsom needs to put a stop to landlords profitting off this tragedy.
Sager seems to miss the point that the devastation has happened in Republican areas as well Florida Texas need we go on. Climate disruptions have nothing to do with the local governments, and the devastation does not seem to care whether one is left, leaning or right wing leaning.
Exactly 💯 Another major natural disaster will hit a red state, and will he blame it on DEI?
After two hurricanes and losing my residence in one, one thing no one mentions in these are the disaster contractors. Thousands of contractors personnel show up needing to go to work immediately with blank checks from insurance companies. Many are facing lawsuits if they don't get the repairs done ASAP and money is truly no issue to them. You can't be that upset about the rent because theres no way anyplace will be available anyways.
This was not on my bingo card for today..
Some folks here don’t seem to understand the economics of supply - demand. When supply is very low, and the demand spikes, the price will go up.
Californian here. Regulatory burdens are not the primary factor affecting housing costs. That's YIMBY propaganda. The real factor is that development is driven by speculatory private equity seeking maximum returns. Do your homework.
Housing was less expensive decades ago when the government worked to bring supply to market
Zoning regulations are absolutely a factor in the housing crisis. 94% of residential land in San Jose is zoned exclusively for large single family homes, and basic apartments often take years to get approval if at all.
The entire city of San Francisco approved a whopping *16 housing units* in the first half of 2024. Do you really think that's due to some private equity plan to gouging the shit out of people? Or is it more likely because it takes on average over 1000 days to get approval for a new housing project in the city?
The fact is that both the Bay Area and LA (as well as the other metro areas with the worst housing crisises) have added several times as many jobs as they have new housing units over the past decade. Unless you fix that you'll still have a housing shortage, even if you remove all the corporate interests at play
Nimbys absolutely do create regulations that stand in the way of allowing supply to meet demand
Normal prison jobs pay 25 cents an hour
They’d do it for free! Are you seriously that unaware of what prison is like? In LA they’re superstars for crying out loud…
These people are evil.
Wasn't slavery supposed to be abolished?
Not in Cali. They love it
13th amendment clearly states that all forms of slavery is banned except for prisoners
So the government has their own exempt form of it
Kanye west talked about abolishing the 13th amendment and people thought he was crazy since it bans slavery but it really just gives it to the government
American version of the gulag. Work for the state, USSR. Work for corporations, USA.
@@cosmicpepe3973 yeah FR it was even a Ballot question there and they voted NO on banning it.
convict labor isn't slavery, its criminals offsetting the cost of incarcerating them.
The greed of landlords across the board needs to be checked.
I didn’t vote for it, but my fellow Californians vote for prison slavery in the last election and Kamala Harris has fought to protect it.
Republicans where you at?
17 years!?!? Wow.. what on earth could he have done!!
Why would you pay the inmates more? They aren’t forced to join the program and live day by day off taxpayers. To be even have the option to be able to do anything outside of prison is a luxury.
Juggling between mortgage payments and insurance reimbursements guarantee that no flying balls will be caught.
The annual cost to take care of one inmate is $133,000 per year. They are lucky they are even getting $5.
You aren’t even worth $5
The looting done by these landlords is disgusting. Seeing devastating fires and thinking “how much can I take?”
It didn’t end in 1863, it’s just taken a new form
Bingo,
Don’t commit crimes if you don’t want to be a slave.
Corporations are our slave masters.
Kinda messed up that if a Insurance of any kind concludes that they likely may have to pay out on a type of event, they can just cancel their coverage of that event willy nelly.
But I remember when I was signing up for insurance, every company in my Midwest town had silly add on that they said were part of packages and couldn't be removed.
For my home insurance, there's like exotic animal protection in case I'm ever attacked by a Lion in my yard... it's only like 20 cents a month. But wtf. Come on? I live in a suburban Midwest small town. I know my neighbors. None of them have a Lion or Tiger.
It seems like a method to just penny-pinch.
They shouldn't be able to have unnecessary protections unless the homeowner wants them. If they're also able to cancel actual protections for people.
Don’t forget why they are in prison to begin with.
Profit on slave labor is easy?
Most of them are in their for non- violent offences.
But regardless being in prison is the punishment you shouldn't be punished more for being in prison.
@@federalreservewolflegend3523 remember the possibility of their innocents.
A good chunk of them are in there for weed
Hunter Biden was doing crack on video and he’s free to keep walking
Do you know why? Hard to forget something you don't know
people complaining are the same ones who cheered when landlords were banned from collecting rent for 2 years
Good. They can repay tax payer dollars that pay for their imprisonment.
Even if many were wrongfully imprisoned?
That's not what's happening though. Big companies are undercutting us as workers with cheaper prison labour.
are you not familiar with FOR PROFIT PRISONS?
Another idiot 😂💀 these prisoners taking a lot of work from people...
Issue is most of the money is going straight to the private prison and not used on the prisoners.
Private firefighting services are perfectly fine….as long as they’re procuring water from non-publicly resourced sources
The inmates working the fire is actually really heartwarming--except the lack of wages.
Wait, you’re promoting this hypocrite now? Man what happened to this show
What are you referring to?
@@MikeRaileyHasan "eat the rich and buy my 50 dollar shirt while I live in a million dollar home" piker
sometimes, even people you disagree with- say things that are important. maybe don't be such a pompous goon.
@@purposefully.verbose Yeah, but Piker? Dude that claims to be a socialist but comes from hella wealthy people? Yeah no, F that guy. He is the pompous goon you refer too. Bet you don't hold that standard across the board.
Ok leave dude. Bye bye
The idea that uninsured houses would be let burn is historical fiction. Look at Tom Scott's apology video for propagating this myth. Private firefighters in Britain would still fight fires in uninsured buildings, they just prioritized insured buildings, because as Katie rightly said fires spread.
wow rehabilitation and restorative justice might give better outcomes when people re-enter society than locking someone in a violent cage. crazy.
Before starting i just want to know if they accept that California rejected a law banning this, that it is not mandatory. And these people were jailed in prison where they don't even arrest most criminals
It is simple: if you can't rebuild you sell your land. Better than being a renter with no assets.
Hasan is my man ❤
Ew
Hasan is genuinely a stupid human being but he deserves attaboys for the good things he does
big yikes
Jewhayter
There's a list of insurance which canceled policies in the fire areas. I'm in Washington State and we had our insurance canceled so we had to get a new insurance company and our price doubled. I believe we need government oversight on what insurance companies are doing to consumers. I personally reported the insurance company that cancelled us to the Washington State Insurance Commissioner.
Insurance is a Protection Scam.
The reason insurance companies are pulling out is gov regulation.
If there was a company that could charge you a lower rate they would. Mass cancelations happen when government prevents necessary price increases for too long. There is no reason to bankrupt your insurance company because Washington or California force you to have policies at a cost that don't cover losses.
@joebuslife9275 The Property insurance industry got $88 Billion in profit in 2023, which was its most profitable year of ALL TIME. That’s from NAIC (Natl. Assoc. of Insurance Commissioners) and Insurance Journal, not some lefty group. So NO, they’re not going bankrupt.
Never thought I'd see Piker doing this. Much respect and enormous respect for these inmate firefighters.
He's big on rehabilitation so it's not a huge surprise that he would give a voice to these people.
Thank you for shining a light on these inmates. Americans reflexively dehumanize convicts. I appreciate anyone who endeavors to build bridges/create empathy.
Capitalism is awesome y’all
Make money off suffering. Gotta love capitolism
Glad to see coverage on this. We incarcerate more than any other country. The state shouldn't profit from more people being incarcerated
Even the Reddit leftists are admitting the California government did a very poor job with this
These men should have thier prison time reduce
That would blatantly incentivize these professional criminals to start wild fires...
There's no such thing as a private fire fighting company when they depend on public resources.
The people paying private firefighters are still paying their taxes and are entitled to public resources.
If you hire a chauffeur they don’t have to build their own roads to drive you around.
@reinbeck1156 And there's plenty of water to go around lol.
Where's all this water coming from when we see a boom in the private fire fighter industry? Your chauffeur analogy is on point, but not for the reason you think. We can't afford the roads we currently have, so let's build more and widen them.