Thanks for watching our Heavy Metal Shootout, and for 25,000 Subscribers! At 12:43, pretend we said, "thickest" instead of "heaviest". It was like 100 degrees in the studio that day.
Totally agree with Shane, the sound of the Gretsch Solid Steel is addictive! I’ve listened to it over and over again and it is the best sounding drum of this video … the mix of that clarity with a warm body is just beautiful … I’ve ordered it today and can’t wait to play it myself. Thank you so much for making this great video 🔥🥁🔥
I’m a guitarist and I find videos like this very interesting. A lot of great drum sounds to he heard throughout the video.. and then you hit that Tama... holy SHIT. My eyes popped out of my head as it caught me so off-guard. Glad I was listening in headphones for this one.. I can’t imagine what it’s like to be in front of one of those things. Thanks for this literal eye opener.
I am a repeat happy, very happy customer of yours. Thank you for the great drum stuff you sell, thank you for the great prices, thank you for the tool box stickers you send in every order, and thank you for these videos. Cheers from Colorado USA
I found a guy on Reverb that was selling a Tama Starphonic Bell Brass and had a huge write up on why the OG shells are special. The originals were made by a Japanese Craftsman in very low volumes. These shells were sand cast which differ from the newer roto cast shells. Rotocasting gives a consistent density to the metal and sand casting leaves the metal porous which is believed to be the reason the original Tama Bell Brass shells have that certain something no other modern versions posses. Apparently the early runs off the Starphonic cast shell were sand cast but at a certain point the manufacturing was changed to rotocast.
What about some of the older Imperialstars?? They have the exact same diecast hoops and extended snare bed, as well as 10 lugs. I actually just returned an 80's Tama Swingstar (only 8 lugs, no diecast hoops or extended snare bed) with the exact same logo because it was a little too big and my heads wouldn't fit on it without "dimpling"... Now I'm thinking of buying it back... lol!
@@boobo3763 Imperialstars from the 80's are top notch drums. I plan on getting one if the right one crosses my path. The Swingstars were begginer/intermediate drums.
The Tama Bell Brass. The snare that influenced my youth, being used on the „Black Album“ from Metallica and of course on „Nevermind“ from Nirvana. Thanks for this video, guys! 🙏
I recently acquired a Canopus solid brass as the one in this video. I must say your demo is extremely accurate to the actual sound of the snare. Thank you for taking the time and effort to make such accurate demos. As far as the snare all I can say is wow. Exceeds all my expectations and I now understand all the hype around these snares.
I 100% agree with Shane. The oversized shell is a part of the sound of the Tama Bell Brass for sure, along with the hardware and everything that is in "touch" with the drum. Everytime I've got to change the head on my bell brasses is a fight (but a good one...). The other drums are great (especially the Phosphor Bronze to my hears) but I agree even with that spontaneous "there's no contest!" at the end of the video that comes from the feeling of playing a snare that literally hits you in the "belly" with every stroke. People at home can't feel it of course but it's really predominant. Thank you for this great one and for doing what you do with your touch and distinctive passion. Dave
Your Drum Sound You don’t feel the pourous nature of the metal in the older Tama shells from sand casting has more to do with the uniqueness of the sound? I have several welded metal snares and they all hit me in the face and chest with every hit. Anyone in the room without hearing protection or in ears will have a splitting headache in a very short amount of time. Rotocasting should bring the focus of the shell up which will make it sound less rich due to the homogenous consistency of the metal grain. Like a good Zildjian K with all the random hammering that gives a unique warm, organic character vs a machine hammered A with its small robotic style hammering and more clinical character. A good test for my theory would be to make an oversized rotocast Bronze Shell and compare it to a Vintage shell. This theory isn’t my own but from someone who collects snares and has many cast Bronze snares new and old.
Joe I have other cast snare and I’ve experienced what you’re saying. They’re loud and aggressive. But there’s something different on the character of the old Tama. I was wandering the same thing about the new vs. old oversized shell, should be a nice comparison! Dave
Your Drum Sound It would great if we could get someone with experience making cast shells to use the same exact metal and make one sand cast with the second rotocast. Make them both oversized. Do any drum makers use both methods or have the capabilities?
As a guitarist who just stumbled here, the Tama BB is unquestionably the best. it has that unmistakable gunshot sound that instantly had me thinking, "oh yeah, so that's what the drummer from ___ used on ___ to get that sound."
Man, these videos are really good to get to know drums. I spend HOURS watching this stuff. The only snare I really loved was the A&F. Kudos to Tama´s bell brass though - what a beast - just not what I´m into these days...
Shane my man! I'm so glad you included the Tama JT Stealth! I love that drum and agree100% what you said about it! They're all sincerely great drums, but the Stealth is special (to me)! These demos are absolutely "BANGING"!
I love them all..they sownd great. Good review and the sound is awesome. Thanks for posting this nice video.Greettings from NEW LONDON CONNECTICUT USA. 😎🇵🇷
Great video guys. The TAMA & Gretsch Bell Brass Snares & the A&F’er, in terms of sound are my favorites. But, it’s hard to choose because they all sound incredible.
The Tama Bell Brass is the clear winner. Unbelievable !!! I own a 6x14 DW Cast Bronze that is my all-time favorite snare. I would've loved to hear it alongside these drums. Great video !!!
I'm driving up from Pittsburgh next week with a buddy from Long Island. The Gretsch Solid Steel is at the top of my list to check out in person. I already have a Gretsch USA Custom Bell Brass, so this might be a great fit.
@@tmaddrummer Actually, no. It was showing as in stock when I left Pittsburgh. I met a buddy on Long Island and drove up to New Hampshire. It was out of stock when I got there. I should have tried the 5" deep version, which was in stock. I didn't think of it, and they didn't suggest it.
@@michaellowe17 bummer, but maybe something better is coming your way! I’ve been wanting to go to DCP since Shane first opened the doors at the old shop. Maybe one day?
@@tmaddrummer No worries. I picked up a vintage Slingerland Super Radio King snare from a friend of mine. Drum Center of Portsmouth is a great store, I highly recommend making the pilgrimage. It is Disneyland for drums. It was just my luck that my favorite ride was closed. LOL.
With all due respect, no contest in this category can be serious without Sonor's HLD-590 Signature 14x8" Cast Bronze Snare Drum. That drum is the king in this category.
I own the Gretsch Bell Brass, I love it. I'm currently playing in a cover band that specializes in 80s stadium rock. This snare is perfect for that use. I do admit that the Gretsch Phosphor Bronze has been on my radar for a while. I may have to pull the trigger on one. Having said that, the Gretsch Solid steel is the big surprise to me in this shootout. Wow, just wow!
I couldn't agree more.. Such a masterpiece. I wish it could be duplicated, but then again the other part of me would like it to go down in history undefeated.
I so wanted to debate this but then...THEN I heard the original Tama Bell Brass. Holllllleeey Sh*t! Blew them all out of the water! Some came very close (A&F, Gretsch) but not close enough!
Shane, guys, I love this video. It's all drum, and it's all passion! I can't wait to come visit you in the future. I want to bring one of my snares and have you experiment with it, different heads, different wires. About to get on my drums for the day! Rock on! 🤘🥁🤘DC
Great video! The Gretsch Bell Brass and Tama JT Snare Are by far the closest and best sounding, to me anyway. But that bell brass.... DAMN!!! Would like to see how the 40th Anniversary edition compares to it though?
Ugh ...Thank you guys once again for making the best drum videos and shootouts... Now I know there's "no contest" haha too bad they are rare and expensive. The Gretch Bell brass was an ok substitute. A and F was actually a WOW and I have felt they were ... "too different" for me sonic wise.. I'm surprised more companies aren't making versions of the bell brass, Cheers! - Bahrum / Blue House Sound Studio, OC California.
I recently purchased the A&F Bronze 14 x 6.5 w 8 lugs. I can’t say enough about it. All of these snares sounded amazing tho and I have never had the honor of playing a Tama Bell Brass. One day!
As others have said, the tama is special due to the sand casting, but also a large part of it's sound is from it's razor sharp bearing edges. I used to own a 1980 one, and regret selling it. :(
Wish I could have sent you guys my 6mm Drumcraft Cast Bronze for this video. Would love to see that recorded Shane! Now maybe a Rosewood comparison? I've got a Tama reissue Rosewood and a custom steambent Pork Pie Rosewood on the way! Excellent video as always!
I used to own a 1980 tama BB and still own the drumcraft one. also own an oriollo 3mm cast bronze and have a 4.7mm cast bronze with cast hoops on the way (same as savage custom drums) the drumcraft is a bit fatter sounding, I think due to the thickness, and the tama has a lot more crack, I think due to the extremely sharp bearing edges.
I have the TAMA Bell Brass and I love it. I did however switched it out for the MAPEX Wraith. The Wraith will soon be gone because Matt Halpern is no longer with MAPEX. (So I've been informed)
The 80’s Tama bell brass has such a pleasing smooth overtone, the others have that pingy ringing sustain inherent to brass snares. Some more than others, and not necessarily bad, but the Tama 80’s model had it all. Great sounding drum.
Gretsch drums never ever crossed my mind, but I'm pleasantly surprised by the model at 4:47 (USA BB). The tama at the end in fact put all the others to shame but it's still possible to get great recordings with all other models, it's all about mixing them correctly.
When i need a snare to take your head off.i always go back to my 6.5 × 14 Rogers dynasonic.have many snare drums, but that one is a beast.all these in the video sound great too.
Looking at the video i was like, that fuc... Tama Bell brass, totally overated, the two Gretsch were superb , like the tone of the Canopus, JT also for it's all around used, then the Tama Bell brass comes........ no way .. that thing is the real deal. Damn.
Another thing to observe. A big part of the magic of the Tama 80s bell brass is that the snare wires extend past the bearing edge. All of the mastercraft snares had that feature making them sensitive enough to do quite classical snare pieces on or loud backbeats. I have the steel and birch versions. Amazing drums
I have the 8x14 birch ... I'll have to check this out but the hardware is quite unique and good.. Whats the diff between the mastercraft and superstar stuff? I thought my snare was a superstar. Awesome drum... another classic. I also have a old tama steel snare but i dont know what it is ... 6.5x14 chrome with long rectangle lugs with 4 or 5 lines down them. hoops are original... pearl mighty hoops triple flanged, if i remember right.
@@bahrummoghadam586 i think the only big difference is that extended snare roller strainer that's on all of them. They made a birch/fiberglass/seamless steel and copper/and a bell brass. All of them are amazing. My steel one craps all over a Supraphonic
Hands down the Gretch Solid Steel is it. I’m getting one of these soon. I wish I could have one made with the smaller lugs that are on the Bell Brass. But would it change the sound? The Tama Bell Brass has more low end body while the Gretch has less low end with a bit more top end. This makes the Tama sound more rich. Listening on my good in ears the John Tempesta is close to the old Tama. But that Gretch Solid Steel.....more top end than the Tama Bell Brass with maybe the same amount of bottom but it isn’t the focus of the sound like the Tama. Of course playing these beasts in person is the only way to fully appreciate them. I don’t see anyone using hearing protection. Are you guys ok? Will you be needing hearing aids soon? Seriously I don’t play any of my metal snares for more than 1 minute without protection. I get a serious headache that lasts for hours if I don’t wear anything.
Especially those thick shelled snares. My thin steel snare with a 1.2mm shell is already loud without hearing protection. Then I also have a 3mm thick cast steel snare (with 5mm reinforcement rings, just like the Gretsch Solid Steel) and that thing is loud, louder, loudest (besides just sounding absolutely phenomenal). Without hearing protection I would have already gone deaf... :D
@@marratj I hear you. I ended up getting the Gretch Bell Brass and that snare is explosive in volume when I lay into it. I’m thinking of having Deluth make me a cast bronze shell with a 3mm thickness and 5mm edges. Possibly use Tama hardware. Once you have one of these cast shell snares, most other snares are ordinary in comparison.
Great video, they all sounds great with different characteristics. Frankly, I own the tama with bell brass hoops on top and bottom (14×6.5"). It sounds great too. Tqvm for the great video
First of all congratulations for this amazing vid. That's the kind of vid I wanna see as a drummer, as the one you did about the "all purpose rides" (my fav' is the Paiste 900 and the Zildjian Sweet Ride ;p ). I've been already amazed by the huge work you've done about the Gretsch and Ludwig kits. So clever and well produced. Here, the Gretsch Phosphorus Bronze snare is a pure beast ! OMG ! I love it ! A real discovery for me. So sad that it costs so much ! Anyway, just a little precision about the fabulous Gretsch Solid Steel model, Taylor Hawkins also played this snare c. 2011/2012 (even with golden hardware on tour !), before the Gretsch Bell Brass ;) The Solid Steel inspired the much more accessible Gretsch Taylor Hawkins Signature Snare I got, maybe the Solid Steel one day...
Thanks for the info, Duke! We're really glad you enjoyed the video. It was a lot of work, but also fun to make! We've got more interesting vids on the way, stay tuned!
Tama Bell Brass... the king of all snare drums. Loved the sound of all of every single one of them, but there's just something about that bell bell brass... #2 goes to the John Tempesta sig, and #3, #4, and #5 go to the Gretsch's in my opinion, but not sure in what order. Amazing shootout, and much respect to all those companies, and you guys for doing this video!
Working in the yard today, taking a coffee break and digging this video beyond belief. I’ve had the DW Heavy Brass for about 4 years now, and as much as I’m always dreaming of new drums, I’m still enjoying it. I’m 👀 for I wonder..... what about the Sonor Benny, maybe?
The Tama sounds the best because of the alloy. Everyone thinks they want a b20 snare. They don't. If you find a sand cast (casting method adds to the sounds too) bronze drum with the Tama alloy, you'll be blown away
The better bronze snares are probably closer to a B8. Does everyone forget it's the COPPER that's dark and mysterious? And the porous grain the sand casting gives the metal.
I always thought B20 was the Tama formula? Ala 80/20?? Isn’t there a guy making snares using batches of Duluth shells with this combo and he’s claiming he has the actual Tama alloy recipe? On the other hand I heard Duluth doesn’t like using it because they get failures and have to sometimes do several tries at it.
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At 12:43, pretend we said, "thickest" instead of "heaviest". It was like 100 degrees in the studio that day.
I've always wondered why you sometimes sweat so much😝
What kind and size hi-hats are you playing? All of these drums sound killer! At that level it's a matter of taste!
@@Earthdogbonzo3 Those are 14" Sabian Artisan Hi Hats. Absolutely killer.
Shane, would you like to share the tune bot settings? I like the way these snares sound/were tuned! Thanks!
@@MunchieVB We tuned this batch by ear so unfortunately no Tunebot settings for these.
A&F - 2:12
Gretsch USA BB - 4:49
Tempesta Sig -6:39
Gretsch USA Steel - 8:15
Canopus Brass - 10:21
N&C Alloy - 12:01
Gretsch Phosphor Bronze - 13:14
Tama 1980 BB - 15:38
These are all seriously amazing - absolutely loving this snare series guys.
thanks!
Thanks for this. Yeah I agree they all sound great, but it’s between, the A&F, Gretsch Phospher Bronze, or the TAMA Bell Brass, for me.
@Javier Cruz You too, stay safe, I know I’m 2 months late, but still 😂 With all the stuff going on, it’s really important to stay healthy and safe.
I was thinking 'These all sound incredible' - then he plays the Tama bell brass...
Winner! No contest!
Totally agree with Shane, the sound of the Gretsch Solid Steel is addictive! I’ve listened to it over and over again and it is the best sounding drum of this video … the mix of that clarity with a warm body is just beautiful … I’ve ordered it today and can’t wait to play it myself. Thank you so much for making this great video 🔥🥁🔥
That Gretsch Solid Steel is one of the most bad ass drums out there and I am so glad we are getting the word out on them!
I’m a guitarist and I find videos like this very interesting. A lot of great drum sounds to he heard throughout the video.. and then you hit that Tama... holy SHIT. My eyes popped out of my head as it caught me so off-guard. Glad I was listening in headphones for this one.. I can’t imagine what it’s like to be in front of one of those things. Thanks for this literal eye opener.
The John Tempesta snare comes closest to the 1980 bell brass to my ears in this vid.
nice red badges also
The JT snare is a modern legend.
damn that A&Fer tho... in your face yet still very open and wide/huge sounding
My favorite of the lot. It's a work of art.
UltraRare Custom I thought that one was the ugliest. Both in terms of sound and appearance
@@robinhoodwasasocialist.1401 Don’t agree, but that’s your opinion and I don’t disrespect it.
sounds different, like a nowdays sound
I am a repeat happy, very happy customer of yours. Thank you for the great drum stuff you sell, thank you for the great prices, thank you for the tool box stickers you send in every order, and thank you for these videos. Cheers from Colorado USA
I found a guy on Reverb that was selling a Tama Starphonic Bell Brass and had a huge write up on why the OG shells are special. The originals were made by a Japanese Craftsman in very low volumes. These shells were sand cast which differ from the newer roto cast shells. Rotocasting gives a consistent density to the metal and sand casting leaves the metal porous which is believed to be the reason the original Tama Bell Brass shells have that certain something no other modern versions posses. Apparently the early runs off the Starphonic cast shell were sand cast but at a certain point the manufacturing was changed to rotocast.
Joe Rico I recognize this listing because it’s on its way to my house right now :D
Zeus The Drum Lord You bought the Starphonic? Nice.
I think Ocheltree still does some sand casting
What about some of the older Imperialstars?? They have the exact same diecast hoops and extended snare bed, as well as 10 lugs. I actually just returned an 80's Tama Swingstar (only 8 lugs, no diecast hoops or extended snare bed) with the exact same logo because it was a little too big and my heads wouldn't fit on it without "dimpling"... Now I'm thinking of buying it back... lol!
@@boobo3763 Imperialstars from the 80's are top notch drums. I plan on getting one if the right one crosses my path. The Swingstars were begginer/intermediate drums.
The Tama Bell Brass. The snare that influenced my youth, being used on the „Black Album“ from Metallica and of course on „Nevermind“ from Nirvana. Thanks for this video, guys! 🙏
yeah! the most overproduced albums ever done at this time. sorry but these albums don't give the true image of the bell brass. this is just fact.
@@JayB-lz6yd go back to sleep Jay.
@@joecap2919 fuck off
@@JayB-lz6yd Yeah like you know more about production than freaking Bob Rock lmao. GTFO with that bull.
@@JayB-lz6yd overproduced? Go home and be an amateur musician forever.
I recently acquired a Canopus solid brass as the one in this video. I must say your demo is extremely accurate to the actual sound of the snare. Thank you for taking the time and effort to make such accurate demos. As far as the snare all I can say is wow. Exceeds all my expectations and I now understand all the hype around these snares.
Thank you for this. We really appreciate it.
The noble and Cooley just sounds awesome... to my ears😍🤘🏻
Loved the John Tempesta one and the first Gretsch, that tama bell brass is a beast
I can’t believe how much different and better the original bell brass sounds. I never would’ve thought.
I 100% agree with Shane. The oversized shell is a part of the sound of the Tama Bell Brass for sure, along with the hardware and everything that is in "touch" with the drum.
Everytime I've got to change the head on my bell brasses is a fight (but a good one...).
The other drums are great (especially the Phosphor Bronze to my hears) but I agree even with that spontaneous "there's no contest!" at the end of the video that comes from the feeling of playing a snare that literally hits you in the "belly" with every stroke. People at home can't feel it of course but it's really predominant.
Thank you for this great one and for doing what you do with your touch and distinctive passion.
Dave
Your Drum Sound You don’t feel the pourous nature of the metal in the older Tama shells from sand casting has more to do with the uniqueness of the sound? I have several welded metal snares and they all hit me in the face and chest with every hit. Anyone in the room without hearing protection or in ears will have a splitting headache in a very short amount of time. Rotocasting should bring the focus of the shell up which will make it sound less rich due to the homogenous consistency of the metal grain. Like a good Zildjian K with all the random hammering that gives a unique warm, organic character vs a machine hammered A with its small robotic style hammering and more clinical character. A good test for my theory would be to make an oversized rotocast Bronze Shell and compare it to a Vintage shell. This theory isn’t my own but from someone who collects snares and has many cast Bronze snares new and old.
Joe I have other cast snare and I’ve experienced what you’re saying. They’re loud and aggressive. But there’s something different on the character of the old Tama.
I was wandering the same thing about the new vs. old oversized shell, should be a nice comparison!
Dave
Your Drum Sound It would great if we could get someone with experience making cast shells to use the same exact metal and make one sand cast with the second rotocast. Make them both oversized. Do any drum makers use both methods or have the capabilities?
Joe Cade at Savages Custom have a foundry make his sand cast shell, but the size is the standard used today.
I have a 60s Ludwig cob that doesn't like regular drum heads - they're always too tight. I recently put a remo classic fit on, and it went on great!
As a guitarist who just stumbled here, the Tama BB is unquestionably the best. it has that unmistakable gunshot sound that instantly had me thinking, "oh yeah, so that's what the drummer from ___ used on ___ to get that sound."
Man, these videos are really good to get to know drums. I spend HOURS watching this stuff. The only snare I really loved was the A&F. Kudos to Tama´s bell brass though - what a beast - just not what I´m into these days...
Wow, pleasantly surprised with the Gretsch solid steel!
That Gretsch Bell Brass was my favorite 👌🏻 Followed by either the Tempesta or the Gretsch Solid Steel.
The 1980 Tama Superstar Bell Brass Snare Drum is a killer. From the first strike you know there is no other that can compare to it
Alloy Classic. How cool. I had one of those in the shallower depth. It was my go to for several years. Loved it.
ROTFL!!!! When that full mix bell brass comes in it's like "look out, here comes the PAIN!" Oh my god.
Unbelievable how good the Tama Bell Brass sounds and imagine how old it is. Great job by Tama
Simply first rate drum love and worship. Thanks again for your fine array of shells on display and first rate service.
Thanks for watching, man. We appreciate the feedback!
my favorites are canopus, A&F and the old tama bell brass.
Shane my man! I'm so glad you included the Tama JT Stealth! I love that drum and agree100% what you said about it! They're all sincerely great drums, but the Stealth is special (to me)! These demos are absolutely "BANGING"!
Bell Brass
USA Solid Steel
JT
this is, seriously, the best video on youtube
Until I can find that mythical beast for sale, I'll take the A&F'er and the Gretsch USA Bell Brass.
I love them all..they sownd great. Good review and the sound is awesome. Thanks for posting this nice video.Greettings from NEW LONDON CONNECTICUT USA. 😎🇵🇷
The steel Gretsch came reasonably close in terms of a full timber; a complete tone with top AND bottom end if you will 👏👏👏
Jose Martinez
timbre*.
timber is wood.
@@Timbales1979 Yep, I knew that and didn't spell check that sumbitch. Pronounced tam-ber. Sank joo bedy mucho. The 🤗
I would love to see something like this for jazz snares.
Great idea!
Great video guys. The TAMA & Gretsch Bell Brass Snares & the A&F’er, in terms of sound are my favorites. But, it’s hard to choose because they all sound incredible.
Couldn't agree more!
I absolutely love this channel!
Thanks, Ivan!
Drum Center of Portsmouth You're very welcome DCP
The Gretsch USA Solid Steel was my favorite, sounds perfect for thrash metal.
One of my personal favourite subjects, thank you.
I’ve played the Terminator. And recorded at Ocean Way. Ross is the king of drums!!!
Thanks so much for sharing DCoP - always great to hear Shane and Tom play, especially on these fine instruments
The ah A&Fer looks like it is part of the first underwater diving outfits from the 18th century..sounds good though
All drums sound amazing. Tama bell brasss and Tempesta’s snare just kick ass
The Tama Bell Brass is the clear winner. Unbelievable !!! I own a 6x14 DW Cast Bronze that is my all-time favorite snare.
I would've loved to hear it alongside these drums. Great video !!!
Gretsch USA BB is my favorite. Great sound 🤘
My heaviest snare is a Tama Stewart Copeland Signature. Sounds best when CRANKED high up. Absolutely love it. Very very loud.
I love my Copeland snare.
@Cameron Smith It only performs well when tuned very very high. If you need a different sound, it's time to sell and replace it!
Can’t believe I actually liked all the Gretsch snares!!! Lovely surprise to say the least!
I just ordered the John Tempesta from you guys based off this video! I hope it gets in stock soon 🤞 thanks for the sweet video!
You are going to love it, and we'll get it to you ASAP! Thank you.
I'm driving up from Pittsburgh next week with a buddy from Long Island. The Gretsch Solid Steel is at the top of my list to check out in person. I already have a Gretsch USA Custom Bell Brass, so this might be a great fit.
Awesome, looking forward to it Michael!
Well did you snap it up?
@@tmaddrummer Actually, no. It was showing as in stock when I left Pittsburgh. I met a buddy on Long Island and drove up to New Hampshire. It was out of stock when I got there. I should have tried the 5" deep version, which was in stock. I didn't think of it, and they didn't suggest it.
@@michaellowe17 bummer, but maybe something better is coming your way! I’ve been wanting to go to DCP since Shane first opened the doors at the old shop. Maybe one day?
@@tmaddrummer No worries. I picked up a vintage Slingerland Super Radio King snare from a friend of mine. Drum Center of Portsmouth is a great store, I highly recommend making the pilgrimage. It is Disneyland for drums. It was just my luck that my favorite ride was closed. LOL.
With all due respect, no contest in this category can be serious without Sonor's HLD-590 Signature 14x8" Cast Bronze Snare Drum. That drum is the king in this category.
agree and a ocheltree as well
Wow, that Gretsch USA BB and Gretsch USA Steel sound great!
The Gretsch Solid Steel is the Bomb …. And the Phosphorus bronze is a close second. The Original Tama is awesome too .
They all sound great -- the fatness and ring on that Phosphor Bronze,...wow, lovely. The Tempesta was really nice,..but that 1980 BB...holy moly.
They all sound fantastic.
I own the Gretsch Bell Brass, I love it. I'm currently playing in a cover band that specializes in 80s stadium rock. This snare is perfect for that use. I do admit that the Gretsch Phosphor Bronze has been on my radar for a while. I may have to pull the trigger on one. Having said that, the Gretsch Solid steel is the big surprise to me in this shootout. Wow, just wow!
Same here, loving the Phosphor sound. But my BB is incredible too.
The Gretsch Steel is a real killer..👍🏿
The winner and still champion ........ the 1980 Tama Bell Brass. There are some good sounding drums there, but the 1980 Bell Brass is still King.
I couldn't agree more.. Such a masterpiece. I wish it could be duplicated, but then again the other part of me would like it to go down in history undefeated.
I also agree. Some came close but the original tama bell brass remains as the one and only.
I so wanted to debate this but then...THEN I heard the original Tama Bell Brass. Holllllleeey Sh*t! Blew them all out of the water! Some came very close (A&F, Gretsch) but not close enough!
right? it's just the drum I would want to hit hard, it can take it, I feel like it has got the right weight to take it perfectly. 😜🤘
Shane, guys, I love this video. It's all drum, and it's all passion! I can't wait to come visit you in the future. I want to bring one of my snares and have you experiment with it, different heads, different wires. About to get on my drums for the day! Rock on! 🤘🥁🤘DC
The Gretsch USA Custom Steel is fairly close to the Superstar Bell Brass. Similar attack, anyway. Great demo.
Great video! The Gretsch Bell Brass and Tama JT Snare Are by far the closest and best sounding, to me anyway. But that bell brass.... DAMN!!! Would like to see how the 40th Anniversary edition compares to it though?
The Gretsch USA Steel sounds almost exactly the same as the Tama Bell Brass.
meh
That’s what I hear too.
Slight differences.
Ugh ...Thank you guys once again for making the best drum videos and shootouts... Now I know there's "no contest" haha too bad they are rare and expensive. The Gretch Bell brass was an ok substitute. A and F was actually a WOW and I have felt they were ... "too different" for me sonic wise.. I'm surprised more companies aren't making versions of the bell brass, Cheers! - Bahrum / Blue House Sound Studio, OC California.
Very cool idea for a video! Would have been also interesting to hear the bell brass hoop version on Tama or a Keplinger in the mix.
The John Tempesta does a dang good job at recreating that sound
I recently purchased the A&F Bronze 14 x 6.5 w 8 lugs. I can’t say enough about it. All of these snares sounded amazing tho and I have never had the honor of playing a Tama Bell Brass. One day!
Gretsch Bell Brass, loved it ♥️
As others have said, the tama is special due to the sand casting, but also a large part of it's sound is from it's razor sharp bearing edges. I used to own a 1980 one, and regret selling it. :(
Wish I could have sent you guys my 6mm Drumcraft Cast Bronze for this video. Would love to see that recorded Shane!
Now maybe a Rosewood comparison? I've got a Tama reissue Rosewood and a custom steambent Pork Pie Rosewood on the way!
Excellent video as always!
I used to own a 1980 tama BB and still own the drumcraft one. also own an oriollo 3mm cast bronze and have a 4.7mm cast bronze with cast hoops on the way (same as savage custom drums)
the drumcraft is a bit fatter sounding, I think due to the thickness, and the tama has a lot more crack, I think due to the extremely sharp bearing edges.
@@declanwhite love your Drumcraft videos!
@@aparker507 I'm friends with the new owner of my old bell brass. trying to organise a day for me to make a video of it!
the Gretsch bell brass and the A& Fer are beasts .great video.
@@aparker507 check through my newer videos ;)
You could really tell how much Shane loves the Gretsch Solid Steel in his playing ahaha
It's a killer sounding snare. I really dig the Canopus too. They all sound so good.
I have the TAMA Bell Brass and I love it. I did however switched it out for the MAPEX Wraith. The Wraith will soon be gone because Matt Halpern is no longer with MAPEX. (So I've been informed)
your going to change gear because someone else, doesn't endorse them now?
@@shamadana1 no, I meant the Wraith wont be produced any longer.
I have the Wraith as well, I've had 3 people try to buy it from me, it's sound is addicting AF
The 80’s Tama bell brass has such a pleasing smooth overtone, the others have that pingy ringing sustain inherent to brass snares. Some more than others, and not necessarily bad, but the Tama 80’s model had it all. Great sounding drum.
There’s a reason why it’s the most recorded snare drum in the music industry (along with Ludwig BB).
I remember early days Metallica, especially on the Kill Em All and MoP albums, the snares sounded soooo good.
Amazing video!! That tama bb!! Body, crack and width in tone. Amazing! thanks for this. Id love to put my sonor hld590 next to the tama.
Gretsch drums never ever crossed my mind, but I'm pleasantly surprised by the model at 4:47 (USA BB). The tama at the end in fact put all the others to shame but it's still possible to get great recordings with all other models, it's all about mixing them correctly.
When i need a snare to take your head off.i always go back to my 6.5 × 14 Rogers dynasonic.have many snare drums, but that one is a beast.all these in the video sound great too.
Man that Tempesta snare kicks ass. I would say it's as good as the Tama Bell Brass to my ear.
Both the Gretsch Solid steel and JT caught my ear, but the most elegant sound IMO was the Gretsch PB.
Wow, they were all great, but the John Tempesta has the crack, the overtones and the beefiness that I need, all in one snare. All meat no filler! 😜🤘
Definitely. Best heavy metal snare drum I ever heard.
Looking at the video i was like, that fuc... Tama Bell brass, totally overated, the two Gretsch were superb , like the tone of the Canopus, JT also for it's all around used, then the Tama Bell brass comes........ no way .. that thing is the real deal. Damn.
Yep...... I was doubting it would do that well..then it took the crown IMO>
My favourite was the GRETSCH PHOSPHOR BRONZE…even over the Tama Bell brass..
Beautiful sound..
Another thing to observe. A big part of the magic of the Tama 80s bell brass is that the snare wires extend past the bearing edge. All of the mastercraft snares had that feature making them sensitive enough to do quite classical snare pieces on or loud backbeats. I have the steel and birch versions. Amazing drums
I have the 8x14 birch ... I'll have to check this out but the hardware is quite unique and good.. Whats the diff between the mastercraft and superstar stuff? I thought my snare was a superstar. Awesome drum... another classic. I also have a old tama steel snare but i dont know what it is ... 6.5x14 chrome with long rectangle lugs with 4 or 5 lines down them. hoops are original... pearl mighty hoops triple flanged, if i remember right.
@@bahrummoghadam586 i think the only big difference is that extended snare roller strainer that's on all of them. They made a birch/fiberglass/seamless steel and copper/and a bell brass. All of them are amazing. My steel one craps all over a Supraphonic
Hands down the Gretch Solid Steel is it. I’m getting one of these soon. I wish I could have one made with the smaller lugs that are on the Bell Brass. But would it change the sound? The Tama Bell Brass has more low end body while the Gretch has less low end with a bit more top end. This makes the Tama sound more rich. Listening on my good in ears the John Tempesta is close to the old Tama. But that Gretch Solid Steel.....more top end than the Tama Bell Brass with maybe the same amount of bottom but it isn’t the focus of the sound like the Tama. Of course playing these beasts in person is the only way to fully appreciate them. I don’t see anyone using hearing protection. Are you guys ok? Will you be needing hearing aids soon? Seriously I don’t play any of my metal snares for more than 1 minute without protection. I get a serious headache that lasts for hours if I don’t wear anything.
Especially those thick shelled snares. My thin steel snare with a 1.2mm shell is already loud without hearing protection. Then I also have a 3mm thick cast steel snare (with 5mm reinforcement rings, just like the Gretsch Solid Steel) and that thing is loud, louder, loudest (besides just sounding absolutely phenomenal). Without hearing protection I would have already gone deaf... :D
@@marratj I hear you. I ended up getting the Gretch Bell Brass and that snare is explosive in volume when I lay into it. I’m thinking of having Deluth make me a cast bronze shell with a 3mm thickness and 5mm edges. Possibly use Tama hardware. Once you have one of these cast shell snares, most other snares are ordinary in comparison.
I seen the tama bell brass on a video drum doctors made and it will always be the best . What an amazing coveted snare drum.
Great video, they all sounds great with different characteristics. Frankly, I own the tama with bell brass hoops on top and bottom (14×6.5"). It sounds great too. Tqvm for the great video
Wish you would've picked Pearl Reference Brass 14x6.5 as well
Can't help but notice that Shane really is into steel snare drums. I too like the high-pitched overtones of steel snare drums.
First of all congratulations for this amazing vid. That's the kind of vid I wanna see as a drummer, as the one you did about the "all purpose rides" (my fav' is the Paiste 900 and the Zildjian Sweet Ride ;p ). I've been already amazed by the huge work you've done about the Gretsch and Ludwig kits. So clever and well produced.
Here, the Gretsch Phosphorus Bronze snare is a pure beast ! OMG ! I love it ! A real discovery for me. So sad that it costs so much !
Anyway, just a little precision about the fabulous Gretsch Solid Steel model, Taylor Hawkins also played this snare c. 2011/2012 (even with golden hardware on tour !), before the Gretsch Bell Brass ;) The Solid Steel inspired the much more accessible Gretsch Taylor Hawkins Signature Snare I got, maybe the Solid Steel one day...
Thanks for the info, Duke! We're really glad you enjoyed the video. It was a lot of work, but also fun to make! We've got more interesting vids on the way, stay tuned!
That Tama is something else. Sharp high end attack with full body and throat. Wow.
Gretsch and tama are so great. Because smoothly. Easy listen
Tama Bell Brass... the king of all snare drums. Loved the sound of all of every single one of them, but there's just something about that bell bell brass...
#2 goes to the John Tempesta sig, and #3, #4, and #5 go to the Gretsch's in my opinion, but not sure in what order. Amazing shootout, and much respect to all those companies, and you guys for doing this video!
Damn, that Tama! 80’s rock! I go with the JT as a second choice.
Even on some cheap earbuds the difference is huge; two cracks in on the 1980 drum and I was like wow.
Those were great snares & i was beginning to like them but when the 1980 tama bell brass came on, it just blows your socks off. Game over!
Brass snares are killer. Loud, sharp but warm and versatile. You can't go wrong with them in every style.
1.- Terminator
2.- JT
3.- N&C Alloy
My alltime favs;
- Tama "Terminator"
- Solid bronze 4x14 (J.Craviotto)
- Keplinger (NOT FRAGILE!)
- a & f'er
- Ocheltree (dangerous/drumtree)
- Paiste (2002/Custom Cast)
- Sonor (Signature HLD)
- VK (Custom Kast)
- Potyondi (Canada)
- Gretsch bell brass
Working in the yard today, taking a coffee break and digging this video beyond belief. I’ve had the DW Heavy Brass for about 4 years now, and as much as I’m always dreaming of new drums, I’m still enjoying it. I’m 👀 for I wonder..... what about the Sonor Benny, maybe?
As much as the Tama is amazing (and I can see why everyone wants one) I still like the A&F the best.
Being as I will probably never get a Tama BB, I’d go with the Phosphor. That BB though! I need that in my life!
DAMM, THAT BELL BRASS SO BEAUT, BUT LOVED THE GRETSCH BELL BRASS AND THE PHOSPHOR BRONZE TOO
side note. would love too see that tama bell brass compared to the SPL line up
The GRETSCH STEEL for mine ..
The Tama sounds the best because of the alloy. Everyone thinks they want a b20 snare. They don't. If you find a sand cast (casting method adds to the sounds too) bronze drum with the Tama alloy, you'll be blown away
The better bronze snares are probably closer to a B8. Does everyone forget it's the COPPER that's dark and mysterious? And the porous grain the sand casting gives the metal.
I always thought B20 was the Tama formula? Ala 80/20??
Isn’t there a guy making snares using batches of Duluth shells with this combo and he’s claiming he has the actual Tama alloy recipe?
On the other hand I heard Duluth doesn’t like using it because they get failures and have to sometimes do several tries at it.
I wish ludwig would collaborate with Zildjian male a solid b20 snare
That be radd!!
More tin does not make for a great snare drum sound....
I know ludwig needs to make some solid metal snares since there basically the king of snares love to see solid metal snares
Noble and Cooley actually did, a while back! Pricey, though.
It would crack so fast
Hi Shane and Tom. Great video. My favorites are the A&f'r, Noble and Cooley, and the OMG of snares, the Tama 1980 Bellbrass Almighty. Wow. Thank You.
Thank you for watching, Michael! Glad you liked it.