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It seems silly at first glance that a Colonel would have to be shown how to load and fire the musket. But in reality many men with no military experience whatsoever were minted as field grade officers with no prior military service whatsoever, usually due to their political influence and ability to raise troops for the cause. In Chamberlain's case it made no difference because he had natural military instincts and fearless courage on the battlefield.
Chamberlain was actually offered command of this regiment (20th Maine) when it was formed, but turned it down, probably because he was a totally green volunteer. He served an 'apprenticeship", under the battle hardened West Pointer, Col. Aldebert Ames. When Ames made general, only then did Chamberlain assume command. Just in time for Gettysburg!
@@neilpemberton5523 Ames commanded the 1st Brgd/Francis Barlow's division/XI Corps until Barlow was wounded on day 1 at Gettysburg, thereafter commanding the division for the remainder of the battle.
Our reenacting unit (21st Ohio Vols) did this at a livefire demo at Ft Benning. The first time it's fairly fast but gets harder each time the weapon is fired due to residue buildup, by the 10th round or so it's real work ramming the round to put it mildly especially w/sweaty hands. I don't think we managed 3 rounds a minute but firing live isn't as easy as portrayed here. None of us had drilled in firing actual Minie for speed before and it showed us quite well the difference between blank and ball for speed work.
they used rifles as far back as the War for Independence. also in the time of Napoleon, such as the Baker Rifle. "rifled" refers to the weapon's interior barrel design. some field artillery was also called "rifles", such as the 3-inch ordnance rifle and the Parrott Rifle.
I don't know about the other branches, but we did that in Marine Corps bootcamp with our rifles. Brownie points if any of ya'll know how many movement in "inspections arms"
True...they did upgrade their weaponry since the revolution a tiny bit. Hmmm..yeah. I think you're right about the rifle's they'd be using during this time.
Sargent Chamberlain was the younger brother of the Lieutenant Colonel Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain and his Sargent rank was likely attributed to nepotism.
Too bad Donald Logue didn't come back to play Ellis from Gettysburg. Matt Letscher did a good job in both films though. LOL Reverse Flash turns hero and goes back in time to help the Union.
Was it true they would teach you to put the rammer down with your pinky? Due to the gun over heating after multiple shots the powder might ignite and they would rather u lose a pinky then thumb/index finger
Typical Officer mentality. *Doing it notionally by waving my hands around imaginary equipment is an accurate real world representation* - "Why aren't you as good as my magic fingers?"
Obviously a joke - the man with the musket is supposed to be a sargeant, you'd think he might know something about his trade? Or is he a writer . . . . or related to Charlie Chaplin?
This year I've watched three movies about American civil war. Gettysburg, Gods and Generals and some third one where the guy deserted home to the south but got shot in the very end exactly as was predicted by the mysterious well. I find it strange that all officers and soldiers in these films are from the same cast. (Or at least they look absolutely alike from movie to movie) Can someone explain? Is this thematic sort of special and occupied by certain people, most of them reenactors?
If you’re talking actors, they usually pull from re-enactment groups. If you’re talking mannerisms from the characters, officers were usually men who had been to military school, often from a higher social standing. I guess to illustrate this in modern movies they use guys with a Bronx accent
This dude sounds like somebody who's actually from Lowell but when he's out of state he substantially exaggerates his accent to make people think he's more Bostonian than he actually is.
Sérgio Maurício Well, atleast my silly joke wasn't wasted on everybody. More recently that same director repeated that scene in his movie The Last Samuri. It is funny though, in that movie he was glorifying reactionary forces resisting change.
Not really, what he did was the text book answer, while the soldier did the real world example. The offer only played the air guitar while the soldier played the real deal Fender... two different animals. He was an annoying prick, who forgot where he started, like most managers;)) who tells you how to do things when everything is 100% convenient, and then turnsblind eye to all other factors that you have to deal with, you know, problems, challenges in the process... Glad I never had to be a soldier as I can't stand these situations.
John Chandler yeah man totally that’s how all us officers work, oh you mean there’s a drill to make you better at your job? Silly me for thinking you’d be good at it
@@dedogster Pretty much all European armies did have their soldiers do some live firing (in peacetime) The british just did is more. There were lead allowance for yearly exercises in life fire training. - British 'Rifles' - 60 rounds and 60 blanks per man - Prussian jägers and schützen (riflemen) - 60 rounds per man (in 1811-1812) - British light infantry - 50 rounds and 60 blanks - British line infantry and Prussian fusiliers (light infantry) - 30 rounds - Austrian line infantry - 10 rounds (in 1809) - Austrian line infantry - 6 rounds (in 1805) - Russian infantry - 6 and less rounds It was not until the introduction of the P1851 Minierifle that universal marksmanship training became a thing in the British army, Also in the mid 18th century being able to fire 4-5 shots a min was not in uncommon in some armies. This was possible because they used "selfpriming" muskets. Instead of using a lot of time to take some of the powder from the cartridge to prime, you simply pour the powder down the barrel, and then ram the bullet. the powder then by it self makes it way into the pan from the inside. Much better RoF... but the cost is more pressure leaving true the flash channel. So bigger risk to the soldiers and a lower muzzle velocity. So most armies actually went back to muskets that you had to prime.
not really the muzzle loader at first appears with more elegance but after the second shot your covered in powder and eyes will sting the elegance comes from the attitude of the one with the rifle.
He probably should have, because in real life they would be under fire when that happened. Which is why he said it must be done without thinking and MUCH faster.
In order to join you had to have at least one top tooth and two bottom teeth-just for tearing open 'cahtridges'. One New England officer remembered a private who asked the officer to watch him during battle because he was worried he'd run away. During their first battle the officer saw the private, who calmly asked with a smile "Powda goes in fust, right?"
@@AbrahamLincoln4 It's made from sulpher, potassium nitrate and charcoal a rather bitter taste unlike smokeless powder which tastes a little salty. Not like it's on my diet or anything. I do like the smell of both after it's burnt.
Speaking as a reenactor, Load In Nine Times can be difficult to train new troops. The goal is to make the actions natural and automatic... you wish to achieve competency WITHOUT looking like you're on the hardtop at Ft. Benning or Camp Lejeune doing D and C. It's actually easier to teach to a high school kid than it is to teach to someone who's been through Basic Training in any service. What's worse is that minute you get done training that, you have to get them to UNremember it all for the morning pre-battle parade and safety inspection... As reenactors, we never take out the ramrod on a battlefield for safety reasons.
@@galoon I'm in Washington State and we've got a smaller group to work with, so we just leave the 'rods under the barrel. I think in 20+ years of our Association, we've had maybe two ramrod accidents and the one I witnessed didn't even happen on the battlefield... it was a cleaning accident. Knucklehead was dry brushing the bore and had forgotten to dump his powder out. But I can see where large events, like Gettysburg, might have more stringent rules... you just never know who trained who and how well.
@@carlhicksjr8401 Yes, luckily accidents in re-enacting weren't ever that common for us either. Here in South Carolina our biggest problem has always been heat exhaustion! I've only heard of one ramrod accident, which involved another knucklehead at a small event who was ramming his paper and left the ramrod in. It ended up hitting a musician's drum without hurting anyone, thankfully! Units are generally pretty good about training, but like you said it's just impossible to police everyone.
I’m a reenactor in the uk and we use our ram rods (or scouring sticks as we call them) all the time over here. Yes there’s a risk but we train people to just be aware of where the stick is at all times. In the society I’m part of (sealed knot, an English civil war reenactment group) we even add in an additional command to “check your scouring sticks” before presenting the musket, that way it greatly reduces the chance of an accident.
@@jamesgraham7002 We've had occasions where a ramrod went flying out of the muzzle, so our insurance is a bit more stringent about it. We've had accidents that have hurt the paying public, so we're a lot more careful. Nevertheless, when we're firing for public demonstrations [as opposed to skirmishing at each other] we load in nine times and just ram the paper wadding down... 'confetti volleys' we call them. And, of course, the added pressure of the wadding creates a more authentic sound, a heavier 'crump', for the public. The FUN part is when we've got our bayonets fixed and are trying to fire at speed in nine times [3 rounds per minute using the ramrod for public demonstration]. You look pretty dumb when you accidentally stab yourself on your own musket! 😁😆
"im currently working on creating a civil war game named War of Rights" 9 years later: ive been playing war of rights for years now, god bless ur soul lad
I still find it amazing that Matt Letscher, the Commanding Officer who was showing the demonstration, was part of the 2nd Maine mutineers in Gettysburg years back. Both he and Jeff, proud Michiganders! :-)
Little known fact: during Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg even the fastest soldier didn't have time to load so they resorted to hitting each other in the head with the barrel of the musket. Very brutal battle.
This is a film I greatly enjoy. However with a run time lasting the better part of 4 hours (almost 5 for the directors edition) it isn't a film I would want to see in theaters. It would have done much better as a TV mini-series like was done with Gettysburg. I have in fact sat through a double feature at a movie theater before, and trust me when I was that there is a reason most movies don't run to much past 2 - 2.5 hours. After that point it just becomes hard to stay seated.
The problem with the movie was that it tried to cover too much in a short time. The Gettysburgh movie took 4 hours to cover one battle (and still left out a lot of key parts. This movie tried to cover 3 different battles in the same amount of time.
You know just saying in my opinion. I would like too see if they had made Gods & Generals into a mini series say 10 ep's. it would be pretty good just watching it at home. Especially in today entertainment were invested TV series. make like band of brothers style.
These men had the most balls lining up like that and facing each musket shot, I know I take this life for granted a lot but I truly am thankful I did not have to live through any wars, that said these men made the ultimate sacrifice so we wouldn’t have to
A terrible waste of life. Totally unnecessary. The rifled musket was the most advanced general issue weapon of the time and neither side would fully grasp it's potential. The British successes and fire tactics in the Crimea was totally overlooked. The adherence to obsolete Napoleonic tactics cost lives.
@@johnmcdonald587 They were not as obsolete or as strictly adhered to as many think. Dispersing and fighting "Indian style" or fighting from trenches and holes became common after some experience, while the need to remain in close order still existed for effectiveness of command as well as the ability to resist the enemy hand-to-hand. A company spread out beyond the reach of its officer's voice would be in confusion surrounded by the smoke of independently firing soldiers and facing an enemy which could surge at them as a mass of bayonets.
@@johnmcdonald587 Well what can you do, back then it wasnt exactly open frontline warfare. it was just 2 professional armies trained to have a skirmish on the field, retreat, retrain, regroup, and shoot each other more.
It was recorded here in Gettysburg Pennsylvania after dropped and discarded muskets were gathered and examined that one musket had been rammed with Minnie Balls from breech to muzzle. Panic loading at its best it would seem.
Sgt. Chamberlain: "Of course you completed loading the rifle faster than I did. I was actually loading the rifle with ball, powder, and cap. You simulated everything except the use of the ramrod." Colonel Ames: "Escort Private Chamberlain to the guardhouse."
That shared look between Thomas and Joshua at the end really sells this scene for me. I think it's because of the forshadowing I see of Little Round Top, where Tom runs out of bullets in his pistol while CSA troops are charging right at him.
You notice a lot of good officer qualities here. Tom knows the basic steps but is not as fast and proficient as he should be. The officer takes him through the steps and is firm but patient. When Tom is finished with the first loading attempt, it is clear that more practice is needed. The officer gives small praise as to the fact that Tom knows the basic steps. But then he demonstrates the speed and standard that is expected by loading the rifle himself--leading by example. The officer finishes the instruction by motivation. He tells the gathered group that being proficient can save their lives. No drama, no counter productive instruction by pointless yelling and screaming. Just good, basic instruction, demonstrated by example, motivation to learn the task, and encouragement as to the skills already in place. There are many methods of training, but this is a great example of how a good officer leads...
I call BS on that. The NCO would have been doing it faster and the Officer would only have a vague theory of loading the weapon from his days at west point.
Not necessarily. LTC Chamberlain and his brother Sgt Chamberlain were given their respective ranks based on education more than anything early on, and possibly aptitude. And they joined the war a year after it started if memory serves me correct. It is highly possibly Sgt Thomas Chamberlain May not have been any more trained than the rest of the men early on.
Also of note Ames graduated West Point in May 1861 so a year prior to this he would’ve been at the point. Lol so he definitely would’ve known how to load and fire a weapon. Plus he was 5th in a class of 45. Also at the battle of first bull run , he was later given the medal of honor for his actions. Yeah he can fire a gun fast lol 😂
Being a Civil War buff my whole life I wanted to love this movie, but it was atrocious. Everything about this movie is just bad - the film score (with the exception of the opening credits - amazing), the acting, the dialogues, and the directing - it's all complete garbage. Can we get somebody to make "The Last Full Measure" and not completely fuck it up like they did this movie?
benski tv You can also see that when he is supposed to tear the paper of the cartridge and since he doesn't have a cartridge he just moves his hand near his mouth as if he was tearing the paper of a cartridge.
IDNeon357 The 4-5 live rounds a minute claim is utter bull. 3 was the very higher end. 4 is possible with blanks and a Prussian self priming musket for a few shots. Most people who make these claims have never tried ramming down a live round with 10-15rds worth of fouling in the bore or priming a fouled pan. Going through the motions like that Colonel did isnt a realistic depiction. Most of these soldiers were alloted just enough rounds for a familiarization fire on an annual basis. It wasnt training in the modern sense. The Russians were hurting for powder and ball that they could only train with clay balls.
I must add that one can reach 3 rounds per minute only in training exercise. During a real battle is a totally different story. I can't imagine doing all that while under fire, an enemy charging against you and with hand tremor.
Lorscia All of that is understandable. Time slows down in combat, there is some decrease in dexterity and alot of memory loss. Two rounds a minute under fire with live rounds seems plausible.
Vaclav Sobr Faster yes, but better armor piercing absolutley no. I know because I tested my 15th century armor reproduction with a bow. 8 arrows were deflected, 2 were borken. And i was at 30 m max of distance from the armor.
Semi auto is considered more usefull by many. Going auto on a man is a good way to waste 30 rounds on the wall behind him when 5 to his chest would have done the job better
@WolfgangLMclain check my channel I analyse and can do Lars Anderson's techniques. Bows are not obselete as a niche role in silent fast shooting at medium range. Keep in mind at this time yes line infantry can have devastating volleys but the rate of fire of archers (before breechloaders) is 10 times faster. Heavy armour made archery less common but at this time no solder wore armoir
That's actually the best part of the scene. Instead of fumbling with replacing the ramrod properly for too long he instead finished loading and bringing the weapon into action. Exactly what he should have done.
It wasnt a bolt action rifle, atleast not in the common sense. It was a breach loader which used a bolt and was only capeable of holding a single bullet before being reloaded (not bolted). It only had an effective range of 200 meters against single targets, so the muskets did still have their reason to exist.
Some explanation of this odd comment might be in order, Gaius. If you're an American, look at the state of your country, too - makes me feel relieved that I'm European!
Mr Mundy Correction - a single shot bolt action weapon is still bolt action, even the early ones such as the Dreyse and Chassepot, which used soft cartridges until converted to fire brass. As to the Dreyse vs muzzle loading rifles, the Prussians wiped the floor with the Danes and then the Austrians, both of whom used muzzle loading rifles, in 1864 and 1866. It was rate of fire that counted (8-10 rpm from a Chassepot, 2-3 from a Springfield), unless you were a sniper. Still true to a great extent.
6 years later I'm playing War of Rights
Dillon Colabine yoooooo, I’m so pumped for that game, how is it
Dylan L I enjoy it, I'm planning on starting my own company ingame to start doing some events
LevelCapGaming made a video about Squad to his Call Of Duty/CS:GO subscriber base, this leads COD/CS:GO players to play Squad for long range combat without the teamwork aspect. This also leads these COD raised players to meme channels like Nano who does videos for Squad not based around teamwork, reinforcing everything anti-cohesive, anti-teamwork and everything lone wolf. So this guy Nano that only true COD/CS:GO players watch for the short memes like Call of Duty is, shows action for 1 second before dying, makes a video about "War Of Rights" leading these cancerous fuckers to "War of Rights" fucking it up like he did by telling these COD players who happen to play Squad about Project Reality.
Dillon Colabine yesss
It's not as good as you thought it was
"May save your life"
*practices it and becomes godly at it*
*gets blown by a random cannon ball.....
Holey-ness is divine.
well, wasn't a gurantee.
@@VonSchpam The man was canonized as the saint of reloading.
C'est la guerre!
He said may.
chahge cahtridge
Theodore Blanston 😂
lol
Orderly: Colonel! The Sox are playing!
Goh pahts
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It seems silly at first glance that a Colonel would have to be shown how to load and fire the musket. But in reality many men with no military experience whatsoever were minted as field grade officers with no prior military service whatsoever, usually due to their political influence and ability to raise troops for the cause. In Chamberlain's case it made no difference because he had natural military instincts and fearless courage on the battlefield.
Chamberlain was actually offered command of this regiment (20th Maine) when it was formed, but turned it down, probably because he was a totally green volunteer. He served an 'apprenticeship", under the battle hardened West Pointer, Col. Aldebert Ames. When Ames made general, only then did Chamberlain assume command. Just in time for Gettysburg!
@@neilpemberton5523 Ames commanded the 1st Brgd/Francis Barlow's division/XI Corps until Barlow was wounded on day 1 at Gettysburg, thereafter commanding the division for the remainder of the battle.
Made it easy for Sherman, McClellen and Grant to take charge since they actually did have a military education
Every good sergeant of the Union Army has a set of mutton chops. This truly is historically accurate.
I would've been impressed if the officer actually loaded the musket, instead of mimicking the motions.
Imagine doing this with the other side shooting at you with canons, troops shooting at you and cavalry charging!?
Mathew Broderick's Robert Ford :"thats good enough sgt ill take it from here...*takes out revolver* *bang* Faster Goddamit"!
Our reenacting unit (21st Ohio Vols) did this at a livefire demo at Ft Benning. The first time it's fairly fast but gets harder each time the weapon is fired due to residue buildup, by the 10th round or so it's real work ramming the round to put it mildly especially w/sweaty hands.
I don't think we managed 3 rounds a minute but firing live isn't as easy as portrayed here. None of us had drilled in firing actual Minie for speed before and it showed us quite well the difference between blank and ball for speed work.
Now that's soldiering
Back in a day where shooting one bullet meant clicking “R”
If you're from New England like these fellas, it would be "AH".
they used rifles as far back as the War for Independence. also in the time of Napoleon, such as the Baker Rifle. "rifled" refers to the weapon's interior barrel design.
some field artillery was also called "rifles", such as the 3-inch ordnance rifle and the Parrott Rifle.
I don't know about the other branches, but we did that in Marine Corps bootcamp with our rifles.
Brownie points if any of ya'll know how many movement in "inspections arms"
That’s an outstanding officer right there.
True...they did upgrade their weaponry since the revolution a tiny bit. Hmmm..yeah. I think you're right about the rifle's they'd be using during this time.
Easy to make it look fast when you don't have to worry about the cartridge or cap.
That sergeant looks exactly like the person who trained the men in glory.
Yo family War of rights is lit. Can't wait for open beta and release once we get there
When in history did an officer ever know more about a weapons system than a sergeant. I call bullshit
Joke's on you. Adelbert Ames was an extremely proficient soldier.
Sargent Chamberlain was the younger brother of the Lieutenant Colonel Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain and his Sargent rank was likely attributed to nepotism.
Now do it again, only this time I want it done quickly!
Too bad Donald Logue didn't come back to play Ellis from Gettysburg. Matt Letscher did a good job in both films though. LOL Reverse Flash turns hero and goes back in time to help the Union.
In reality, they also put a bullet in the barrel. Those details!
Too bad they had not heard of the Spencer or Henry rifle.
They have but their minds couldn't comprehend volume of fire
QUICK, RELOAD DA CAUGHHHHHHHTRIDGE
Mind blown.
Was it true they would teach you to put the rammer down with your pinky? Due to the gun over heating after multiple shots the powder might ignite and they would rather u lose a pinky then thumb/index finger
Well the union should have had the Henry repeating rifle rather than the musket less time to load.
if jeff daniels is playing chamberlain here does that means that its either a sequel or a prequel of gettysburg?
3 rounds a minute in any weather... That's soldiering
Typical Officer mentality. *Doing it notionally by waving my hands around imaginary equipment is an accurate real world representation* - "Why aren't you as good as my magic fingers?"
He sounds like Peter Griffin 😂
oh hi trusty I didn't know you uploaded this lmfao
He embarrassed his Sgt in front of his men. Bad move. Otherwise, impressive.
If they had youtube back then they would've been watching this tutorial.
But can they fire 3 rounds a minute in any weather conditions?
Obviously a joke - the man with the musket is supposed to be a sargeant, you'd think he might know something about his trade? Or is he a writer . . . . or related to Charlie Chaplin?
they were all killed in the next battle
This is what happen when city folk use guns for the first time.
Mount and blade north and south
This year I've watched three movies about American civil war. Gettysburg, Gods and Generals and some third one where the guy deserted home to the south but got shot in the very end exactly as was predicted by the mysterious well.
I find it strange that all officers and soldiers in these films are from the same cast. (Or at least they look absolutely alike from movie to movie) Can someone explain? Is this thematic sort of special and occupied by certain people, most of them reenactors?
If you’re talking actors, they usually pull from re-enactment groups. If you’re talking mannerisms from the characters, officers were usually men who had been to military school, often from a higher social standing. I guess to illustrate this in modern movies they use guys with a Bronx accent
You will find these movies had the same producers.
They were meant as a trilogy, of sorts.
I don't know the sixth step took an extra 2 seconds...
Yet that found a rifles with 7 to 8 musket ball stuck in the barrel. Caps got missed or drop
But can he fire 3 rounds a min in all weather?
He sounds like a family guy character
I thought it was a movie - but it was a tutorial
This dude sounds like somebody who's actually from Lowell but when he's out of state he substantially exaggerates his accent to make people think he's more Bostonian than he actually is.
0:19 IS THAT THE GUY FROM GETTYSBURG
He doesn't seem to know that you're supposed to do that while shouting, "Faster!" in his ear & firing your pistol.
VictorLepanto I remeber the film glory
Sérgio Maurício Well, atleast my silly joke wasn't wasted on everybody. More recently that same director repeated that scene in his movie The Last Samuri. It is funny though, in that movie he was glorifying reactionary forces resisting change.
VictorLepanto "Shoot me damn you!!!"
Yeah your're thinking Glory with Matthew Broderick and I'm thinking Tom Cruise in Last Samurai
BlueBoy0316 Because I like old movies :)
this is great officer work, first applying gentle pressure without being completely malignant, then leading by example. good scene. :)
Not really, what he did was the text book answer, while the soldier did the real world example.
The offer only played the air guitar while the soldier played the real deal Fender... two different animals.
He was an annoying prick, who forgot where he started, like most managers;)) who tells you how to do things when everything is 100% convenient, and then turnsblind eye to all other factors that you have to deal with, you know, problems, challenges in the process...
Glad I never had to be a soldier as I can't stand these situations.
Typical officer. Gives a nonsense order that will never work in a real world scenario.
Ferenc Fajkusz lol you never could be a soldier
John Chandler yeah man totally that’s how all us officers work, oh you mean there’s a drill to make you better at your job? Silly me for thinking you’d be good at it
@@richnaper6666 haha, I know;))))) it is just not my kind of environment;))
"What makes a good soldier is being able to fire 3 rounds in a minute in any weather." Richard Sharpe
At that time the British were onr of the only armies that did live fire drills,
@@dedogster Pretty much all European armies did have their soldiers do some live firing (in peacetime)
The british just did is more.
There were lead allowance for yearly exercises in life fire training.
- British 'Rifles' - 60 rounds and 60 blanks per man
- Prussian jägers and schützen (riflemen) - 60 rounds per man (in 1811-1812)
- British light infantry - 50 rounds and 60 blanks
- British line infantry and Prussian fusiliers (light infantry) - 30 rounds
- Austrian line infantry - 10 rounds (in 1809)
- Austrian line infantry - 6 rounds (in 1805)
- Russian infantry - 6 and less rounds
It was not until the introduction of the P1851 Minierifle that universal marksmanship training became a thing in the British army,
Also in the mid 18th century being able to fire 4-5 shots a min was not in uncommon in some armies.
This was possible because they used "selfpriming" muskets. Instead of using a lot of time to take some of the powder from the cartridge to prime, you simply pour the powder down the barrel, and then ram the bullet.
the powder then by it self makes it way into the pan from the inside.
Much better RoF... but the cost is more pressure leaving true the flash channel. So bigger risk to the soldiers and a lower muzzle velocity.
So most armies actually went back to muskets that you had to prime.
@@thomasbaagaard Thanks! I didn't know that.
Now that’s soldiering
Yeah but in open field while marching straight to the enemy with a rules of line infantry i doubt that skill will be useful when your already dead 😂😂😂
This reminds me of how grateful I should be that I grew up in the age of magazines.
Mags make it easy for the other guy to. be glad for bullet proof vests and Kevlar helmets and CAS he most likely wont have that.
not really the muzzle loader at first appears with more elegance but after the second shot your covered in powder and eyes will sting the elegance comes from the attitude of the one with the rifle.
JCfailgamer I've never been bothered by that to be honest.
+JCfailgamer you don't get covered in powder
In the age of magazines.. everyone has a magazine.
We get it, he's from Boston.
Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus - Or Jersey.
Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus Cool name
Maine, not Boston
I think you mean Bahston
MrB0gart+ Brady's from San Mateo.
At least he didn't have Matthew Broderick or Tom Cruise capping shots off at him.
He probably should have, because in real life they would be under fire when that happened. Which is why he said it must be done without thinking and MUCH faster.
hoosieryank67 In what film did Tom Cruise do this?
Capcoor the last samurai
hah !
*Unte!!*
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He didn't even return the ramrod back properly.
What a nimrod
He's hoping Dumb from Dumb and Dumber doesn't notice.
:P
Moe, learn who Nimrod was.
i'd end up throwing it on the ground
In order to join you had to have at least one top tooth and two bottom teeth-just for tearing open 'cahtridges'. One New England officer remembered a private who asked the officer to watch him during battle because he was worried he'd run away. During their first battle the officer saw the private, who calmly asked with a smile "Powda goes in fust, right?"
I do Civil War re-enacting. Black powder tastes horrible. We usually just tear the paper between our fingers and never bite it...
@@attorneyreel1181 what does it really taste like instead of 'horrible'
@@AbrahamLincoln4 It's made from sulpher, potassium nitrate and charcoal a rather bitter taste unlike smokeless powder which tastes a little salty. Not like it's on my diet or anything. I do like the smell of both after it's burnt.
@@AbrahamLincoln4 It tastes like a really bad fart smells.
You got the Mainer accent very well, in four words.
Speaking as a reenactor, Load In Nine Times can be difficult to train new troops.
The goal is to make the actions natural and automatic... you wish to achieve competency WITHOUT looking like you're on the hardtop at Ft. Benning or Camp Lejeune doing D and C. It's actually easier to teach to a high school kid than it is to teach to someone who's been through Basic Training in any service.
What's worse is that minute you get done training that, you have to get them to UNremember it all for the morning pre-battle parade and safety inspection... As reenactors, we never take out the ramrod on a battlefield for safety reasons.
Yep, we were sometimes even required to remove our ramrods for the battles.
@@galoon I'm in Washington State and we've got a smaller group to work with, so we just leave the 'rods under the barrel. I think in 20+ years of our Association, we've had maybe two ramrod accidents and the one I witnessed didn't even happen on the battlefield... it was a cleaning accident. Knucklehead was dry brushing the bore and had forgotten to dump his powder out.
But I can see where large events, like Gettysburg, might have more stringent rules... you just never know who trained who and how well.
@@carlhicksjr8401 Yes, luckily accidents in re-enacting weren't ever that common for us either. Here in South Carolina our biggest problem has always been heat exhaustion! I've only heard of one ramrod accident, which involved another knucklehead at a small event who was ramming his paper and left the ramrod in. It ended up hitting a musician's drum without hurting anyone, thankfully! Units are generally pretty good about training, but like you said it's just impossible to police everyone.
I’m a reenactor in the uk and we use our ram rods (or scouring sticks as we call them) all the time over here. Yes there’s a risk but we train people to just be aware of where the stick is at all times. In the society I’m part of (sealed knot, an English civil war reenactment group) we even add in an additional command to “check your scouring sticks” before presenting the musket, that way it greatly reduces the chance of an accident.
@@jamesgraham7002 We've had occasions where a ramrod went flying out of the muzzle, so our insurance is a bit more stringent about it. We've had accidents that have hurt the paying public, so we're a lot more careful.
Nevertheless, when we're firing for public demonstrations [as opposed to skirmishing at each other] we load in nine times and just ram the paper wadding down... 'confetti volleys' we call them. And, of course, the added pressure of the wadding creates a more authentic sound, a heavier 'crump', for the public.
The FUN part is when we've got our bayonets fixed and are trying to fire at speed in nine times [3 rounds per minute using the ramrod for public demonstration]. You look pretty dumb when you accidentally stab yourself on your own musket! 😁😆
Faster..... FASTER.... DO IT...DO IT...
TEACH THEM PROPERLY, MAJOR.
I love the movie Glory.
READY! AIM! FIRE...!
"im currently working on creating a civil war game named War of Rights"
9 years later: ive been playing war of rights for years now, god bless ur soul lad
I still find it amazing that Matt Letscher, the Commanding Officer who was showing the demonstration, was part of the 2nd Maine mutineers in Gettysburg years back. Both he and Jeff, proud Michiganders! :-)
And Stephen Lang, who played Pickett in Gettysburg, plays Stonewall Jackson in this XD
Cybermat47 Well, that kind of goes without saying as stating the obvious, but yes.
And the reverse flash too
You can't forget to mention from "Gettysburg", General Robert E. Lee was played by the incredible Martin Sheen, proud Ohioan from the city of Dayton.
@@devinthierault Take my upvote, damn you.
Little known fact: during Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg even the fastest soldier didn't have time to load so they resorted to hitting each other in the head with the barrel of the musket. Very brutal battle.
Ready, Ames, fire.
SCE2AUX2 Pun intended?😆
Foyah
I saw what you did there
Actually it’s “make ready, take aim, fire”
wait wait stop the execution!
pity this film completely bombed at the box office
This is a film I greatly enjoy. However with a run time lasting the better part of 4 hours (almost 5 for the directors edition) it isn't a film I would want to see in theaters. It would have done much better as a TV mini-series like was done with Gettysburg.
I have in fact sat through a double feature at a movie theater before, and trust me when I was that there is a reason most movies don't run to much past 2 - 2.5 hours. After that point it just becomes hard to stay seated.
agred. I love watching this movie, but it's best watching it at home rather than at theater.
The problem with the movie was that it tried to cover too much in a short time. The Gettysburgh movie took 4 hours to cover one battle (and still left out a lot of key parts. This movie tried to cover 3 different battles in the same amount of time.
It's really good to watch the Director's Cut as if it were a miniseries of five episodes.
You know just saying in my opinion.
I would like too see if they had made Gods & Generals into a mini series say 10 ep's. it would be pretty good just watching it at home. Especially in today entertainment were invested TV series. make like band of brothers style.
These men had the most balls lining up like that and facing each musket shot, I know I take this life for granted a lot but I truly am thankful I did not have to live through any wars, that said these men made the ultimate sacrifice so we wouldn’t have to
A terrible waste of life. Totally unnecessary. The rifled musket was the most advanced general issue weapon of the time and neither side would fully grasp it's potential. The British successes and fire tactics in the Crimea was totally overlooked. The adherence to obsolete Napoleonic tactics cost lives.
@@johnmcdonald587 They were not as obsolete or as strictly adhered to as many think. Dispersing and fighting "Indian style" or fighting from trenches and holes became common after some experience, while the need to remain in close order still existed for effectiveness of command as well as the ability to resist the enemy hand-to-hand. A company spread out beyond the reach of its officer's voice would be in confusion surrounded by the smoke of independently firing soldiers and facing an enemy which could surge at them as a mass of bayonets.
@@johnmcdonald587 Well what can you do, back then it wasnt exactly open frontline warfare. it was just 2 professional armies trained to have a skirmish on the field, retreat, retrain, regroup, and shoot each other more.
Remember the reason they fought though. To end slavery.
Sadly it was just more to do with tactics not really moving with the times and wepons of the day.
I own this movie. Bought it when it came out. I have yet to finish this boring piece of crap.
I like the scene when he's told to make sure they fire their rifles. Because they'll keep loading and loading without firing a shot..
It was recorded here in Gettysburg Pennsylvania after dropped and discarded muskets were gathered and examined that one musket had been rammed with Minnie Balls from breech to muzzle. Panic loading at its best it would seem.
Just imagine being on the battlefield and doing this with men screaming and dying all around you and the deafening sound of guns and artillery.
Fred Landry The Marine Corps does it’s best to simulate that during basic
@@ssgtsimmons2327: That's for damned-sure the truth, and I can vouch for it! (Or at least it was the "gospel" in the 60's/70's...!)
@@bruno640it still exists for sure, media tries to water it down but I’ve been physically smacked around quite a bit while in.
Shame that Richard Sharpe wasn’t there.
Everyone hates the boss for being lazy, until he pulls these kinds of stunts! Reminding you that he's the boss and you're not.
He didn't do it.
Sgt. Chamberlain: "Of course you completed loading the rifle faster than I did. I was actually loading the rifle with ball, powder, and cap. You simulated everything except the use of the ramrod."
Colonel Ames: "Escort Private Chamberlain to the guardhouse."
Haha, thats a good one,
The "Guahdhouse."
That shared look between Thomas and Joshua at the end really sells this scene for me. I think it's because of the forshadowing I see of Little Round Top, where Tom runs out of bullets in his pistol while CSA troops are charging right at him.
It's slightly easier to say when you're not under fire and your arms don't shake like crazy because of the insane adrenaline hit.
It's a lot easier to do it with imaginary ammunition than with real ammunition
Straight forward with his lesson. I wish more officers were like this
You notice a lot of good officer qualities here. Tom knows the basic steps but is not as fast and proficient as he should be. The officer takes him through the steps and is firm but patient. When Tom is finished with the first loading attempt, it is clear that more practice is needed. The officer gives small praise as to the fact that Tom knows the basic steps. But then he demonstrates the speed and standard that is expected by loading the rifle himself--leading by example. The officer finishes the instruction by motivation. He tells the gathered group that being proficient can save their lives.
No drama, no counter productive instruction by pointless yelling and screaming. Just good, basic instruction, demonstrated by example, motivation to learn the task, and encouragement as to the skills already in place. There are many methods of training, but this is a great example of how a good officer leads...
Tom at 39.72 seconds. Ames at 15.42, over twice as fast.
Tom 1 round a min Aimes 3 maybe even 4
Tom was like bruh
Lol
This style of warfare still has something very interesting even up today. :)
I call BS on that. The NCO would have been doing it faster and the Officer would only have a vague theory of loading the weapon from his days at west point.
IDK back then it's possible that more officers were career men and the nco was a newly drafted recruit. the opposite of today.
Not necessarily. LTC Chamberlain and his brother Sgt Chamberlain were given their respective ranks based on education more than anything early on, and possibly aptitude. And they joined the war a year after it started if memory serves me correct. It is highly possibly Sgt Thomas Chamberlain May not have been any more trained than the rest of the men early on.
Don’t forget Ames had by this point fought at first Manassas and in addition , not too far in the past had graduated from West Point.
Also of note Ames graduated West Point in May 1861 so a year prior to this he would’ve been at the point. Lol so he definitely would’ve known how to load and fire a weapon. Plus he was 5th in a class of 45. Also at the battle of first bull run , he was later given the medal of honor for his actions. Yeah he can fire a gun fast lol 😂
mandellorian he would have to learn how to fire a gun and do the drill at West Point. It’s part of their curriculum for the cadets.
One of the things that he got correct here was the term "cone". The military never referred to the nipple as such, but as a cone.
Being a Civil War buff my whole life I wanted to love this movie, but it was atrocious. Everything about this movie is just bad - the film score (with the exception of the opening credits - amazing), the acting, the dialogues, and the directing - it's all complete garbage. Can we get somebody to make "The Last Full Measure" and not completely fuck it up like they did this movie?
He pulled the percussion cap out of mid air.
benski tv He just demonstrated how it's done,he didn't have any cartridges,nor percussion caps.
Yeah, perhaps it was on purpose.
benski tv You can also see that when he is supposed to tear the paper of the cartridge and since he doesn't have a cartridge he just moves his hand near his mouth as if he was tearing the paper of a cartridge.
I love this scene, but I wish they had bothered to shoot it again without the hiccup on the ramrod.
They prob shot it a few times and that was prob the best one.
I'm a c.w. reenactors. This scene I explained to my wife. We went target shooting the next day.
Did you stand behind her firing a revolver shouting FASTER?
@@stevestringer7351 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Gotta respect a officer that has learned to do exactly what he men do and mastered it.
Yeah, if he actually did it :-(
IDNeon357
The 4-5 live rounds a minute claim is utter bull. 3 was the very higher end. 4 is possible with blanks and a Prussian self priming musket for a few shots. Most people who make these claims have never tried ramming down a live round with 10-15rds worth of fouling in the bore or priming a fouled pan. Going through the motions like that Colonel did isnt a realistic depiction.
Most of these soldiers were alloted just enough rounds for a familiarization fire on an annual basis. It wasnt training in the modern sense.
The Russians were hurting for powder and ball that they could only train with clay balls.
I must add that one can reach 3 rounds per minute only in training exercise. During a real battle is a totally different story. I can't imagine doing all that while under fire, an enemy charging against you and with hand tremor.
Lorscia
All of that is understandable. Time slows down in combat, there is some decrease in dexterity and alot of memory loss. Two rounds a minute under fire with live rounds seems plausible.
USMarineRifleman0311
Bow was much faster and had better armor piercing qualities.
Vaclav Sobr Faster yes, but better armor piercing absolutley no. I know because I tested my 15th century armor reproduction with a bow. 8 arrows were deflected, 2 were borken. And i was at 30 m max of distance from the armor.
Vaclav Sobr Do you believe in unicorns too?
Guns back then were so cool, unlike today where pretty much everything is automatic
And took a dogs age to reload.
Semi auto is considered more usefull by many.
Going auto on a man is a good way to waste 30 rounds on the wall behind him when 5 to his chest would have done the job better
@@RampantFury925 Only cultured men understand the elegance of loading muskets.
holy hell you are the creator of War of Rights.
congrats for the success mate! waiting for the full version
The Confederates would have already took them out by step 3.
Beautiful accent there..
just read the description..... Congrats on the game!!
They forgot to include the officer yelling “Forget your reloads pussies, move to the point!”
Once we invent androids, it will be interesting to see how fast they can do this. Maybe rifled muskets will become viable weapons in their hands.
Look up the Galvanic Rifle from the 40k Universe, it’s essentially a super advanced flintlock.
Why not use bows as "suppressed submachine gun" troops
@WolfgangLMclain check my channel I analyse and can do Lars Anderson's techniques. Bows are not obselete as a niche role in silent fast shooting at medium range. Keep in mind at this time yes line infantry can have devastating volleys but the rate of fire of archers (before breechloaders) is 10 times faster. Heavy armour made archery less common but at this time no solder wore armoir
0:20 Both actors on the Left would later play Reverse-Flash.
No wonder the Confederacy lost
War of Rights reloading animation
I love how he never fully put the ramrod back in
Typical officer thinking he can do it better ;)
That's actually the best part of the scene. Instead of fumbling with replacing the ramrod properly for too long he instead finished loading and bringing the weapon into action. Exactly what he should have done.
In the heat of battle, if the soldiers were firing from a position (instead of being on the move) the ramrod was stuck into the ground between rounds.
"What made a good soldier?" ask the colonel.
"The ability to fire 3 rounds per minute Sir!" said the lieutenant.
In any weather
"Well if I were a bad soldier, I wouldnt be sittin' here, discussing about it now would I?"
Those are British Enfields, Nice of the brits to supply both sides.......
By which time, the Prussians were armed with a bolt action rifle....
It wasnt a bolt action rifle, atleast not in the common sense. It was a breach loader which used a bolt and was only capeable of holding a single bullet before being reloaded (not bolted). It only had an effective range of 200 meters against single targets, so the muskets did still have their reason to exist.
And look at where the Prussians are now...
Some explanation of this odd comment might be in order, Gaius. If you're an American, look at the state of your country, too - makes me feel relieved that I'm European!
Mr Mundy
Correction - a single shot bolt action weapon is still bolt action, even the early ones such as the Dreyse and Chassepot, which used soft cartridges until converted to fire brass. As to the Dreyse vs muzzle loading rifles, the Prussians wiped the floor with the Danes and then the Austrians, both of whom used muzzle loading rifles, in 1864 and 1866. It was rate of fire that counted (8-10 rpm from a Chassepot, 2-3 from a Springfield), unless you were a sniper. Still true to a great extent.
And a few years later the Americans were armed with repeaters.
I didn't know that the mutineer at Gettysburg was the former colonel of the 20th Maine! So that's why Chamberlain became colonel after this move!
Same actor. Different characters. Ames was reassigned just before Chancellorsville leaving Chamberlain in command of the 20th Maine
Was that Col Chamberlain to the right?
Yes sir
ryan jansen
I admire many many men both within the Union and Confederate Armies. But I Love Col. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain!
Yeah and the guy who has to load the gun is his brother thomas chamberlain
can you believe it? all but 6!
@@aleksandryoung2213 and I like J. Kreshaw for the south, He and Chamberlian were alike, there men respected them.