10 Greatest Kung Fu Masters Who Ever Lived
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ค. 2024
- Here are in our opinion the greatest Kung Fu Master ever existed.
1. Yue Fei
2. Zhang Sanfeng 张三丰
3. Wang Lang 王朗
4. Chen Wangting 陈王廷
5. Zhang Songxi 张松溪
6. Gan Fengchi 甘凤池
7. Dong Haichuan 董海川
8. Yang Luchan 杨露蝉
9. Wong Fei-hung
10. Huo Yuanjia
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A true Martial Arts master knows how to end the fight before it even starts.
It depends a lot
Hence the Dramatic Entrance~
Nice talk
@@azaiav2480 true 🤣🤣🤣
🙏
When you speak english and use those chinese names in middle of sentences.. It sounds amazing :)
indeed
Wall is my middle name...,😂
bc you never learned mandarin,,,that's why
Traditional Chinese is Cantonese, Mandarin is more widely spoken but it is a developed language put together long ago so that regions with many different languages would have a common tongue. The original Cantonese names and language is indeed very enriching to hear, witness, and learn.
Regarding a "true" martial artist from the perspective of Chinese martial arts, I recall hearing from one of the greatest living Chinese martial artists, whom I only knew as Mr Kwang.
I was then studying in Han Chiang High School in 1973. The school was located in Penang, Malaysia. I was a student of Shao Lin under Mr Kwang. He was then already more than 80 years old, an exceptionally humble man, who used to cycle from his home to the training grounds in the school. He also taught different types of Chinese martial arts at the Chin Woo Stadium in Penang.
One day, Mr Kwang told me that modern martial artists have time to master only one type of martial arts, whether Shao Lin, Tang Lang, Pa Kua, Hsing I, or Tai Chi, etc. He said that in the olden days, in order to become a real martial arts master, one had to know and master the whole gamut of Chinese martial arts from the hard styles to the hard-soft styles to the soft styles. To him, the highest of the soft styles of kung fu was Tai Chi. One had to master every style of Chinese martial arts before he learned and mastered Tai Chi. Mr Kwang had mastered all the styles.
He also told me that he held the position of All-China Champion in martial arts for 30 days in his youth. Now, 30 days is a long time to wear the crown. Daily, many would come from far and wide to challenge you to a duel to replace you at the throne, which was a position of the greatest honour in China in those days. He is also one of the few masters of Dim Mak, a secret technique of killing an opponent with just a touch. He explained to me how he used to practise blindfolded on a mannequin placed behind him, until he mastered the various target points in the human body and could finger-strike any vital point without the aid of sight. Such was the extreme level of expertise.
I heard from one of his assistant instructors, who used to practise with him early in the morning in Chin Woo Stadium, that he had developed supernatural powers through martial arts. In the stadium, there was a thick, green-coloured felt curtain. When Mr Kwang used to practise his moves, the power he emanated during practice sessions used to move the heavy curtain without any contact whatsoever.
One day, perhaps in 1973 or 1974, Han Chiang High School hosted a world class demonstration of the world's most popular martial arts. Only the top of the top masters in each art form were invited to the event. So we had the top mahagurus of martial arts, all having the equivalent of 10th Dan in their respective arts. We had the top masters of karate, judo, aikido, taekwondo, silat, etc. I recall the name John Draeger, who was an exponent of one style of karate. In the end, after the various demonstrations, Mr Kwang was invited to give a demonstration himself. By the way, Mr Kwang was one of the three judges of the tournament. The other two were Japanese I think. As Mr Kwang was performing the demonstration, the other two judges stood up from their chairs and watched him in utter surprise. They were standing until Mr Kwang ended his performance. I could clearly see the look of utter amazement on their faces. After the event, I asked the assistant instructor, who was my friend, what was so special about Mr Kwang's performance that they had to stand up and look at Mr Kwang in utter surprise. He explained to me that Mr Kwang performed a kata (a set of martial arts movements) that was thought to be lost. It means that he was then the only living person with the secret knowledge of this lost kata.
Enough said. I pay my humble respects to this great man, who in my view, was one of the greatest martial artists of his time, but was largely an unsung hero. I also thank Nature for giving me this opportunity to write about this great man.
Be glad li shuwen did not find him
So cool! What a great man
Sounds like a wise man. He reminds me of my grand master chiu. And my great grand master Wong fei hung
cool story bro
Wow, Mohd, great story of your teacher.
Thanks very much!
These people are right . The real Chinese kung fu is the great and we all should respect it. We should ignore the fake ones which we see nowdays everywere
No they are entertaining as well
You mean bullshito
Lol do u know kung fu was originated
in India
@@kunlsangma6987 no , it was not. did you not see the video?? praying mantis for example was created from watching animals. idiot
Like bruce lee??
The difference between a master and a novice is that the master has failed many more times than the novice has even tried
and they're also much better at their style of martial art
we are flawed by design.Wisdom comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgement.The learning process is paved with many mistakes.A great martial artist gains knowledge from failure and learns from the error.Ultimately.Strengthing his knowledge and experience
many people think great martial artist are invincible.everyone can be beatin.Its how you utilize it being beaten.There is a story of the great wang ziping there is video on TH-cam of him one dayvastamger came into his class and asked if he could offer a lesson .a way back then to ask someone to fight. They fought thebstranger was skilled in elephant stylefoldnyour fingers in half and stirke with the point that divides your upper and lower finger and thats an elephant fist.the strikes whip like an elephants trunk for three rounds. they fought they say wang was soundly beaten in the three rounds .They thank each other and the man leaves the students were shocked he then teaches them about loosing being apart of learning everyone is capable of defeat.
What about the turtle from Kung fu panda?
Kung Fu panda is made like anmials there is no turtle kung fu hahahhahha
@@r.fantom *Facepalm*
@@r.fantom Tell that to Yoda
Master Oogway!
Bat Man is he real?
No, is his video complete? Also no
The whole essence of Shaolin was not about violence, but to improve oneself, and for myself as a practitioner of Karate, this rings true.
It's about killing it maiming people ASAP.
That's the problem these days people are too slow don't hit or break or damage joints etc.
So it looks like it didn't work but when stop thinking its for defense then it become deadly
I can't even start to tell y'all how much I appreciate you taking the time to tell me this stuff!
When you guys said martial arts was designed to improve one's body and mind, wasn't martial arts designed for the spirit as well?
china needs to make movies of all these guys
thing alredy done ;D
Actually, no. We've only seen stories on Ip Man, Wong Fei Hong, Huo Yuan Jia... repeatedly.
They didn't even scratch the surface of Yang Lu Chan - one of the truly greatest before the modern era.
And how about "Divine Spear" Li Shu Wen - when he interviewed for a trainer position at a pre-ww2 warlord's army training ground, the warlord asked him what he could do, compared to all the Japanese judo/kendo/karate masters who were there as both trainers and liaisons ( as they were in many warlords' armies during that time). Lee picked up a spear, and straight-up murdered them all in a flash... and got hired as the master trainer. Talk about being badass!
No, it needs Hollywood to start it, then China will copy it.
plain English first, u have to properly convey your idea so we can understand it. then if i choose to anwer i may. (proper English baby)
what???
These guys are like GODS Of Kung Fu...
And Bruce Lee was their Son
These guys are legend of martial art
Good point. I wouldn’t use the religious phraseology, but otherwise, I think that’s an apt analogy.
Ip man was Bruce lee teacher
Bruce Lee is over rated.may be u stopped at him
Vijay kumar Go back to bed you fool!
5:23 Neji’s fighting style
I love these type of videos! The history and kung fu, brilliant! Keep up the great work! :) slightly of topic can you do some more Chinese mythology/stories/legends? It's so fascinating, it's really great to hear them!
sure :-)
Oh if u do that video, mention some films that have elements of Chinese mythology. I'm a sucker for those!
Off the Great Wall tong turko na pinay ang partner sa scandal.ana sya na mma daw iyang bana
paolo anacleto wong stfu pinoy
History of kung fu comes from India and passed on to China.
Thought the footprints were made after years of practice over the same spot?
Yep, from generation after generation of stomping at the same spots. These guys are wrong
Or bodgy Chinese construction?? LOL...
It wouldn't be the first time that stuff built by Chinese falls down. However back then they were probably more honest and didn't try and just make money out of everything..
They were.
I saw that training hall during a trip to Shaolin Temple several years ago, there were more than one pair of foot marks and they definitely looked like the results of stomping practices over the same spots across centuries. The floor themselves looked like a mixture of sand, soil and bricks. There were also trees where some of the trainees used to practice eagle claws too, they were marred by finger-shaped holes. It doesn't take inhuman power to leave these marks, all you need is time + pressure.
yea but i think it was an account of one temples master hitting it but idk but i think that was his point
WOW! You guys rock. I fell in love with Chinese language too. This was so much fun and educational to watch.
Just as soon as I finish my time machine, I'm going back to 1972 and puck up Bruce Lee. Then we are going to go throughout history and find these 10 guys and challenge them. I'll make sure to video all the fights so when I come back, I can upload them. Be on the lookout for those. I bet Bruce wins them all.
He'll die 10 times over
Ur silly.lol
U stopped at Bruce Lee
He is overrated by morons like u
@@telugumm5792 no he is not and you are being a disrespectful little asshole right now.
Okay what I got from this is that I have never pronounced a Chinese name correctly.
not ever....well maybe Lee
atadoff62 Lee is a american name
Lee is the Romanized way for the Chinese name Li. While it is a common English name the Chinese Li was pronounced as Lee in sound by the British and when it was written by the British they spelled the Chinese name of Li as it sounded and was familiar to them. For Bruce it was because his father,(Chinese way is last name first) Lee Hoi-chuen (李海泉) was living in Hong Kong and thus the name was spelled in the British way.
+Greg Rauscher HELLO GREG. so you are saying that the BRITISH and the earlier ROMANS had something is common? Are you saying that the BRITISH admired and copied the ROMANS?
atadoff62 except that Bruce lee isn't a Chinese name lol.. he was born in America
atadoff62 8
Actually Wong Fei Hung was my master's master's master's master's master's master. True story.
cool!
Actually just the right amount of masters!
full of nothing but fucking shit
Lol true
what about "Damo" who originally brought Kung Fu to the Shaolin Monks over 1500 years ago..hes the triple OG Kung Fu master..n he wasnt Chinese!!
Yeah! True. He was from Tamil Nadu, India. And he was the crowned price of a Tamil Dynastry known as 'Pallavas' who mainly practiced buddhism and he in the way of Buddha gave off all his belongings and became a monk. His actual name was Buddha Dharma which later was changed to Bodhi Dharma.
He tought the shaolin masters movements for meditation. The shaolin monks modified it and created kung fu
@J 1995 He isn't fictional, he's from TamilNadu,India. He's the prince of Pallava dynasty. Google it you'll know. School kids have lessons about him.
@J 1995 It has been mentioned. Read this if needed :- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma
@J 1995 Answer to Who is Bodhidharma? www.quora.com/Who-is-Bodhidharma-How-many-Indians-know-about-him/answer/Virendra-Vajapaye?ch=3&share=d963e931&srid=iixMR
This is really informative! Thank you for such an engaging video.
I remember for the avatar the last airbender series, there was this segment where they talked about the different types of martial arts for different bending styles! xingyi was for fire bending, chen tai chi for water bending, Hung gar for earth bending, and the eight tri-grams for airbending!
Awesome. And you guys are so right people do not have the mind power these days to be as great as the old masters.
Well Ip Man’s Wing Chun was so good that the Japanese wanted him to teach their soldiers.
Ipman bullshit
@@haxuanshah2613 wtf bitch!
@@gatsbymaguire yes ipman bullshit how can a skinny girly skeleton could fight?
haxuan shah IP MAN WAS GRAND MASTER
haxuan shah May be you seen ip man's 70 plus years photo..he became skinny on this 70ties
I wish I was more familiar with these guys. Very informative
excellent video , you guys gave the correct list and logical also best reasons and explanation
I believe that masters did not usually pass on 100% of their martial art techniques since they probably thought they had to keep at least one powerful move in case their disciples took a turn for the worst and things went south (tried betraying them, etc.) If this indeed were the case, then many powerful techniques would have been lost throughout the thousands of years of Chinese history. Or maybe it's just because of my experience with watching wuxia haha...
That's what is said about the Chinese masters....they always keep one or more techniques to themselves. And in their death bed they'll reveal it/them to his/her most trusted student. Unfortunately...sometimes the master is so sick (Usually suddenly) or the trusted student happen to be in another part of the country/world...then those secrets are lost.
Yes you prolly watched too much movies. lol
bigfatdick5000 sarcasm?
REMEMBER THERES A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REAL MARTIALS ARTS FIGHTING AND MYTHOLOGY DO NOT MIX THE TWO
What are you trying to say then?
Zhang San Feng at number 2 is one of the Best!!! Love it when they make movies about him. a courageous, soft hearted man who taught the world tai chi. The heavenly sword and dragon sabres grand master!!!!
At 5:56 he says that a master would typically have one disciple, and the entire knowledge of the discipline could be lost with the death of that one disciple.
The knowledge could also be lost due to Oriental tradition where the master teaches his disciple most of what he knows, but always holds something back for himself. That way he always has an edge over his student. Then when the disciple becomes the master, he repeats the cycle.
If the wise old man knows 10 wisdoms, he will teach his son only 9 of them. Then when the son becomes the wise old man, he repeats the cycle.
perfectsplit No I think that at the end he shows him the 10th and they continue to add to it and define it and teach it to the next.
Luis Alarcon My mother grew up in Indonesia and told me about that tradition of the wise old man holding something back from his son when he teaches him. It is congruent with the urban legend about the typical Kung-Fu Master always holding something back from his student.
Thanks for the response, but I still think that if he doesn't teach at lest one student everything it will die with with him and he would of left this earth with a smaller footprint. I do think that he would of waited to the end to do it , so if he died unexpectedly or was killed then it would be lost until it was rediscovered by someone else.
Luis Alarcon "I still think that if he doesn't teach at lest one student everything it will die with with him and he would of left this earth with a smaller footprint."
That't exactly what happened in traditional Oriental culture! The wise old man refrained from sharing all his knowledge with any one disciple! And he did leave the Earth with smaller footprint. That happened over and over again.
He never wanted to share every wisdom with any disciple, because he always wanted to have an edge over all this disciples. The old Kung-Fu master who is in his athletic demise would not share every knowledge he had with his youthful virile student who in his prime, because if he did, then the student would defeat the master. As long as he held something back for himself, he would have an edge which allowed him to always win.
Western teachers are different. A Western teacher will teach everything he knows, and he wants his student to ultimately surpass him.
Luis Alarcon They may of also written it down and when they passed someone else would find it "like the lost scrolls" they found."
Didn't you watch the video? In many cases, the master did NOT write down his knowledge. He only passed it on to his student without any written records.
(Even though it was a Western discipline), an example of this knowledge-loss occurred in the ancient Greek discipline of Pankration. In the ancient Olympics, they had their own "MMA" event which was gladiatorial combat without weapons. It became a "discipline". It was Pankration. From Pankration came its two offshoots: Greek Boxing and Greco-Roman Wrestling. The ancient Greek discipline of Pankration is lost. There are no written records of it, or there are only incomplete records of it. Jim Arvinitis is trying to "restore" Pankration with his new discipline, Modern Pankration. But there is no way to know how accurate it is to the original art of Pankration.
You guys are soooo awesome! Loving these great history lessons! :)
Bo Vang Thanks :-)
Why did you guys use 道場(どうじょう) Dōjō when that is Japanese and you guys are talking about Chinese Martial Arts?
I love how the names are pronounced.
Great job! Love martial arts history and you guys covered this well!
many of these styles influenced the fight choreography of Avatar; the last air bender!
That is because the early form of Marshal arts were developed by a an Indian Buddhist monk when he travelled to China. Look up Bodhidharma. And of course all the Avatar stuff came from India.
the indian monk travelled to china to make influence of the arts with the internal aspect. they styles had been there before the monk arrived. chinese wrestling exists already 4000 bc .
Such a great series, both Avatar Ang and Avatar Korra.
Great video, I've wanted to live in Hong Kong for awhile and I have now begun to learn Cantonese and some Chinese history. So now that I found y'all's channel, I've learned really fast, keep up the good work!
Sam Russell thanks :-)
Imagine if you could bring them back to life and see them challenging each other.
You put Zhang Sanfeng as #2...a man whose actual existence is debated in history. Why not put in Guo Jing, Zhang Wuji, Linghu Chong, etc?
Yue Fei should be on the list but he's a military general whose martial arts skills should be focused on spear, archery, horsemanship, swordplay...little room for empty handed arts on the battlefield. XingYi, Eagle Claw are attributed to him but are likely myths.
Raymond Lau Half Step Guo is worth mentioning...but I was surprised Sun Lu Tang was not on the list.
Not really. Eagle Claw is the real thing that even Japanese practice.
In Cantonese, Eagle Claw is Ying Zou Gung, which teaches you how to grapple, like an Eagle. It's still being practiced nowadays.
In Japan, it's called "Uechi-ryu hand", which is the same style with Ying Zou Gung in China.
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I learned Shaolin, Tai Chi, Sing Ye, and Pau Cua, from probably the greatest Kung Fu Grand Master in the US who was from Taiwan. I was fortunateate enough to even take private lessons with him. He told me much history and many stories. He knew both Sothern and Northern Kung Fu and taught the differences. He was great. He is a legend on the internet no one really knows where he is today rumors have it that he retired in Canada.One piece of history he taught us was how Tai Chi got to Sothern China and how it is different from Northern. It is the traditional view taught today and is often wrong and not as effective. He said that the Master was in Northern China and was undefeated. So an evil clan wanted to know how he was so good and couldn't get him to teach it to them and they couldn't defeat him. So they captured his family and threatened him. So he taught them the exact forms (Long and Short) that made him great. The only difference was he did it in the speed that we see often practitioners do today. Which is slower than Shaolin but not as slow as he practiced it himself. So the result was these guys learned a good martial art but could never get as good as he had.His practice was to do it so slow in order to feel every movement and understand every move. Believe me, its a lot harder this way. The short form would as practiced by most today would take about 15 minutes because you are going slow but doing it the right way would take twice as long. The only rare time one would move fast is in the very rare jump kick. I once asked another Grand Master about this way of practicing Tia Chi and he said "that is how our ancestors did it but we just don't have the time today" That is why they aren't as good as they used to be. Other mistakes are made in Shaolin because of the difference of Northern and Sothern Techniques. It is said that while Sothern more kicks Northern uses less. This is only part of the story. Sothern Shaolin is the one most people like today because they use so many kicks and that is really good for show. Not saying that is wrong because Kung Fu is for three things Physical Fitness Self Defense and Entertainment. Everyone likes to look good. But the original monks just wanted to do it right. Not like the incredibly entertaining Wu Shu Show.Northern Shaolin would teach that not only you do less kicks because it is not needed and you are mostly faster to strike with your fist then with a foot, but they taught that if you are going to strike below the belt use a foot,(most of the time) there are exceptions when you use a fist in the low lotis stance or go into a tiger stance, but if you are going to strike above the belt you are much faster using a fist, palm, elbow or shoulder. Not only this but you have more balance when both feet are on the ground. These guys were totally capable of doing high kicks and jumping kicks which were done sometimes but not as a rule of thumb.Most people don't like this style because it is less stylish but definitely more effective.
Fat Mann I challenge you! I have 18 years of street fighting experience
Ha ha. I will use my bouncing belly technique.
castillo, my mind set answer about judo was that, in these days, a fight would most likely go to the ground, taking away any katate or kung fu skills. And as far as Bruce lee is concerned. who by the way is my childhood Idle. Wouldn't even think of challenging the master, who was versed in many forms. I just hope those in the hospital, made it out😅
18 years of cleaning the streets with a broomstick, lol
is these stories true?
fascinating Gentlemen, the way you speak of this culture tells me how proud you are of this rich diverse way of life (as you should be).... superb video guys keep them coming!
Socrates now they are losing everything cause of their communist party and the disinterest of younger generation
Huo yuanjia what a story, love how these guys mention martial arts is a balance of mind, body and spirit. Too many people claim martial arts these days but to hear those words is blissful
I know I sound like an old fashioned tourists but it's refreshing to see Asians talk about themselves you don't see that too often or I don't get out that much either way good stuff
MARTIAL ARTS: The word "Martial" means "Military". Never compare MMA to some one who actually went to war and stabbed a number of people and bathed in blood. People need to respect the classics. Chinese martial arts are superior in every way. Real war is not MMA. Please don't confuse a sport with the intention to kill or murder your opponent. Moreover; look up "Miyamoto Musashi" Whatever argument people have about MMA vs Real Martial arts ends there. There is no reffery and if you loose you will die.
MMA people hav to learn chinese or japanese or any other martial art n still think they compete in the ring thinking that they invented their own techniques.....makes me laugh
MMA Just a gay who cuddle on the ring with their underwear
Francisco I agree with you, lots of lost tricks of Kungfu are not just for playing around..
Ron Happold try wrestling in a war zone, surely u would have ur head go flying off before u can lock anyone. Not to mention jiu jitsu is absolutely useless in wars cuz of how many opponents u’re facing. Muy Thai nearly useless as well, but the kicks and the use of elbows are the reason why it was a “Real” MA. But i don’t see how such a stiff and short types of attack would be guud in a war zone where people are shooting arrows, fighting with swords etc.
Gin Yaksha but wasn't muy thai used in war?
I think ip man should be in this list
yip*
Right after Chee Kim Thong and Huang Xingxian
damn, if a 'not so good' is already that good. I shudder to imagine how good Yue Fei would be
a really good, believe me
***** minor? You watch too much movies, go do your homework and learn about the traditional masters a bit more..
Thank you for making this video and for touching on such important, powerful points! Please make more martial arts videos making strong points! -Thanks
as a fan of the classic Kung Fu movies I find this to be a great video thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Great video! You guys should read about Master Lu Zijan. He was a bagua master who was the sworn brother of Huo Yunja. He took place in the hand to hand death duels between the Chinese and Japanese and only recently passed away at the age of 117. He chose to retire from fighting and lead a peaceful life practicing and studying herbs. He may not make the list, but he is a fascinating character and brings the question, How many old masters are in the world but chose not the reveal themselves.
Yes Lu Zijan is phenomenal in so many ways.
I am sure there are others hidden like him - in various internal arts.
Its all the more fascinating given that there were many efforts by Mao's govt to shut down TCM and all the internal arts.
I'd have loved to have met him.
I wonder how other 9 Duan grandmasters would compare to him.
@@ismith8053 I would as well.thanks for the comment.
Thank you for all of your videos!
Thanks for watching!
What about Damo!?
I knew some of the masters you talked about but I learned several new names. Thank you very much for this very useful work.
This was enjoyable. Well done!
You guys definitely missed out legendary Bagua master " Sun Lu Tang" (孫祿堂）
and the founder of BajiQuan "Mr. Lee" - the only trusted lethal martial art that's used to protect all Chinese states man.There were a lot of extraordinarily great masters in secret that existed around late Qing and early Republic of China times that lend their hands to the revolution.
bigfatdick5000 Sun lu tang was definitely missed. Should have been in top 6.
Interesting I'll look into that
You forgot one extremely essential and important thing about Wong Fei-Hung. Wong Fei-Hung is known for using a technique called the Shadowless Kick or Mo Ying Geuk in Cantonese
i heard shadowless kick was made up by someone so the kick might not exist
Blast King not exactly
@@jordanrcxd
In Vietnam, i have heard a lot about Mou Ying Geuk, but never actually saw how it is applied, or read any documents about it. Can you describe or give me the book about it?
@@hunggamerofficial3252 In my kung fu school, there is a form we practice called Lau Gar Kuen and in that form, Mo Ying Geuk is a move where one hand is blocking the face while doing a front kick to the stomach
@@jordanrcxd
Oh, that? I applied that when i practiced Wing Chun in my country. I do know that. So that's Mou Ying Geuk?
Huo Yuan Jia is the best for me 😊try to watch fearless by jet li ... he beat 4 greatest fighters in enemy side but in the last he was poisoned
Patrick Joshua Mint
*don't make me laugh. is poisoning even a Martial arts skill. come on. Anybody can poison* 😂
Fok Yuen Gaap's death wasn't clear who did it.
I studied the Eagle Claw system (Ying Jow) that Yue Fei did create, but you showed the incorrect claw formation. The way you showed it are in southern styles and wushu, but traditional Eagle Claw is a closed vice-like grip.
oh you guys should do one on the most powerful fictional martial artist like Hong Qigong 洪七公
hehe
how about Yue Fei
Great video!!! I was about to cut it off but the wisdom told me to keep watching. thank you!!!! that's why I never did mixed martial arts
Gentleman;
This presentation is;
simply brilliant !
Sorry they didnt give you face.. Swak
Really good stuff. Learned a lot today in a very fun way. Thanks Dan and Mike! :)
our pleasure :-)
Off the Great Wall : Thank You, for the historical martial arts history. More please!☺😀
you should put Ng Mui in the list. She is the founder of wing chun.
Saiful Amin there is no such person
No, she never existed and neither did Wing Chun!
I appreciate this video, because all these new so call Martial Arts fans (or MMA fanatics) believe traditional Martial Arts are null and void.
These styles don't really have a place in modern competition. As there is a set of rules that makes these styles null and void. If one only studies martial arts as a competitive sport... then that is their decision. But for those people to think they are an authority on all martial arts by arguing what is effective in a ring is unwise. No one art is better than another. It all comes from within oneself. Even if a man trained in only one style for his entire life with full focus on it, the style would eventually change. Through mastery he would adapt it into something else that may seem similar to another style. There are only so many ways to hurt someone with your own body. We are limited by physics in what we can accomplish with "kung fu". However we have limitless potential within the spiritual aspect of it.
1st time viewer and let me say wow you guys should have your own TV show or sitcom or something you guys just blew me away simply because of the chemistry and dynamics you have in your dialogue with one another, but on an unrelated note, I'd like to add that it's nice to be taught something about Chinese Kung Fu by 2 people who are indigenous of the area and also can pronounce the names of the masters correctly. Bravo kudos thank you very much I'm an instance subscriber!!!
the fact that they even mentioned; Ip Man and Bruce Lee, SPEAKS VOLUMES! Oblivious to ancient contributions, that Master and his (Master) student contributed a power-change in the paradigm of Martial Arts history.
not qualitative in CHINESE martial art history. Maybe in other parts of the globe.
@@affalee8216 I'm thankful that history does NOT start nor end with the "CHINESE". History is a Global affair that impacts EVERYONE.
@@khalidhasan5938 point of video is about Actual Contribution in Development and Substance of (martial) arts.
NoT its PROMULgation
@@affalee8216 so. With all of your abovementioned, are you stating that Ip and Bruce not successfully contribute to the martial art world and its effectiveness in a real Fight?
@@khalidhasan5938 IP man and Bruce Lee are Practitioners.
Ipman a highly proficient one at wing Chun form. Which is a legit external (martial art) form.
Bruce lee is naturally gifted, probably inherited genetics (hence speed, control, reaction, kinetic projection). Like how monkeys are naturally proficient at swinging on trees as healthy specimens of their ilk.
He tried to come up with functional form, but did not manage to fully conceive, refine and develope a qualified martial art method(form). Even if he has the right direction and points in his concepts.
they both are FAR, from being of sufficient Mastery to be Creators of qualified arts.
Gulf would somewhat be like comparing Stephen Hawkins to very average elementary-level schooler in physics, of same era.
Like Taichi Zhang Sanfeng for example.
Really wouldn't be surprised if ipman, bruce lee won't survive one serious move from Zhang Sanfeng.
Interesting idea for a vid but most of the contents are pretty misinformed.
Yue Fei is a great general indeed but there is no evidence of him being a master of hand to hand combat, since it serves little to no purpose on the battle field.
Zhang Sanfeng is the one of the most debated topic in Chinese martial art history, but most scholars tend to believe there isn't evidence of him being a martial artist or the founder of Taichi.
Wang Lang is widely believed to be the founder of Mantis, whether its true or not, it still doesn't qualify him to rank 3rd on the list, Mantis while being a wide spread and decent style, has never dominated the Chinese martial art world.
Gan Fengchi while being quite famous during Qing era, there is no way his fame could over take Dong Hauchuan, Yang Luchan and many others. The top names of Qing era beside Dong and Yang, was Li Luo Neng the real founder of Xing Yi and his disciple Guo Yun Shen.
If Huang Feihong and Huo Yuanjia are being included in this, then I see no season why Sun Lu Tang was never mentioned, anyone that knows anything abt that era knows Sun was known as "first hand of China", meaning he was the best and undefeated for his time. Other masters such as Du Xinwu, Shang Yunxiang and Wang Xiangzhai etc also has way more credibility and influence within the martial art circle than Huang and Huo, especially Huang who was only known in Canton and HK until tons of movies were made about him much later on.
To what you say I add:
On Zhang Sanfeng, not only his relationship with Taijiquan is highly debated nowadays, but also that particluar myth is younger than the style itself (most likely from the 20th century). Chen Taijiquan is mostly considered by historians to be the first style, then came Yang and then the rest. The name Taijiquan (and all the daoist philosophy) was added quite later, around the time that Yang Luchan was teaching the Qing noblemen. Yang Luchan himself was illiterate (and an awful parent).
Many believe that Xing Yi was greatly influenced by spearwork and it's generally believed to have come from some military background. Also I'm not sure but I seem to recall Qi Jiguang's manuals contained some hand to hand techniques.
I don't think any one style ever dominated the Chinese martial arts world. Most provinces had their own famous masters and stlyes. Shandong has Wang Lang and most of the mantis styles (among others).
On the video itself there's one particularly important mistake: martial arts were created for fighting first and foremost. Shuai Jiao is probably the oldest form of Chinese martial arts and it was definitely not designed for self cultivation. The idea of Chinese Kung Fu for health and self cultivation came mainly in the late 19th century, early 20th with Sun Lu Tang, the Jing Wu and the various similar institutions that appeared at the time. Most styles added the philosophical/health/non-fighting aspects well after being codified.
jigokunoshinigami From the research I've read, the name "Taijiquan" was first used by Yang Luchan, and he also greatly changed whatever system he learnt from the Chen village, for example Yang Taiji as well as those that came after have a strong believe of not using strength at all, which is very different from Chen style. I do believe Yang initially got his knowledge from Chen village, but I think he greatly improved it afterward, so personally I believe Yang Luchan is the founder of Taijiquan.
Xing Yi is indeed influenced by spearwork, and the original influence should be from military, however there is no evidence that it started with Yue Fei, he was simply a big name that everyone want to be attached to. The name Xing Yi was invented by Li Luo Neng of mid Qing era, he derived the style from Xin Yi Liu He, but Xin Yi Liu He is not Xing Yi, no matter how similar they may seem. His Xin Yi Liu He came from Dai family which learnt it from Ji Jike, Ji Jike was famous for spearwork, so I suspect thats where it all started.
It is true that Qi Jiguang's book had handworks, however those are merely ways to help soldiers master their body in order to master weapon, it was not the end objective. Where as Xing Yi is such a superior system compare to most other styles, it can only have been developed during an era that hand to hand combat is way more valuable than weapons, which cannot be on a battlefield.
Not sure about olden days since much of its history is unclear, however if you look at Qing dynasty which is when Chinese martial art were at its peak, almost every big system is represented in Beijing the capital, its one place that all great masters at least in the north congregate. So when I say Mantis did not dominate, I mean it was not ever considered a top style in Beijing, my point is more obvious if you look at a style such as Baij, it populated Cangzhou, a province pretty far from Beijing, however it still had huge influence in Beijing including one of its disciple were the private bodyguard of the last emperor. Mantis on the other hand while did have a presence in Beijing, it was no way near as influential.
If Wang Lang was put up just because he invented Mantis system, then the founder of every system should be on the list, unlike common belief not every system is equal, so for top masters I think for anyone to merely founded a style is not enough, that person or that style need to have made huge impact in the Chinese martial art world.
Practicing martial art for health is indeed a recently added thing, however it had little to do with Sun Lu Tang, although he does talk abt self cultivation, its purely for the sake of reaching higher level of combat ability, and he stress the combat aspect of martial art more than anyone else, the fact he was no1 in China at the time and undefeated speaks for itself.
I disagree on the improvement of Taijiquan by Yang Luchan, having practiced both Chen and Yang styles, both are pretty good by themselves. They are very different styles because they evolved over time separately but you can see how Chen influenced Yang. Same as you can see how Yang influenced Wu, Hao and Sun. There's an argument about Zhao Bao Taijiquan and it's origin being parallel if not previous to Chen but I think that ties it to the Zhang Sanfeng myth.
As for every style being represented in Beijing, maybe that's true today but I don't know in the past, before it became the cosmopolitan capital it is today. Cangzhou is in Hebei, about 200 km from Beijing, not that far. Shandong is twice that distance. I'm pretty sure Choy Lee Fut was not a prominent style in Beijing back in the day, same with Wing Chun or Hung Gar. The influences tended to go down, judging by Gu Ru Zhang's grup of northern masters sent south. Also, Tanglanquan was a style taught in the Jing Wu and in some of the similar academies.
jigokunoshinigami Not sure which lineage of yang taiji u did, but from the good ones I've met, yang has very different principles to chen, like I said before, yang doesnt use muscle strength at all, its the biggest difference to chen style. I do agree that Yang learnt from Chen, and yes they both can be good, but in the end Yang is on a different level to Chen. Yang Taiji has at least 6 levels of internal training, based on that understanding Chen Taiji only qualify for the first level, so Chen master has ever talked about "void" or "shattering void", which are higher levels of Yang Taiji.
If the name "Taijiquan" was indeed coined by Yang Luchan, then I don see why Chen can still call their own system Taiji, since Yang did not just copy their stuff but greatly changed it. Its like Li Luo Neng invented Xing Yi from Xin Yi, Xin Yi guys cant just start calling their own system Xing Yi, which is why I see Yang Luchan as the founder of Taijiquan.
As for Beijing, it has been the center capital of the Qing era, so far 300 years top masters gather there since that is best place to make a big name and big money. As for southern styles, beside being too far, I really don think any southern style would do well in the capital, they really not on the same level of understanding. Which could be partially contributed by the fact they were not in the capital, martial art requires competition to progress, when u are the king in ur region there is little room and reason to grow. So I think its safe to say that during Qing era Beijing represented the best level of Chinese martial art in the whole country, all kind of top masters competed and learnt from each other and thus greatly improved themselves, its something cant be said abt Mantis systems that were only taught in Shandong.
I seriously doubt Yang Luchan coined the term Taijiquan. He was illiterate so he probably didn't care much for daoist teachings (or even confucian thought). If he did he may have been a better parent. It's generally attributed to some nobleman or rich man that was watching what in those days was called something else (some say Neijiaquan, some say Cotton Fist, some say Shadow Fist). In my school we practice the old 108 Yang Luchan form.
As for the thing about Beijing, you're basically saying the southern styles are bad cause they didn't catch in Beijing? Now that is some flawed logic. I think Robert W. Smith had those same thoughts.
Tai Ji.. Cheong Sam Foong.Legend has it He achieved the ultimate pinnacle of Kung Fu and is Invincible . No Master can ever hope to defeat him in philosophy nor combat. Greatest of them all
Wow... love the video! Great job, guys!!!!
Beautiful and brilliant, traditional wushu ( classic Chinese military martial arts- - not the dancing arts) are still alive!! I’ve practiced tong long chuan, many thanks 🙏🏼. I totally love your site. You give good props to classical military Chinese arts. Keep it up! I want more-😃
You left out Pai Mae. His exploding heart punch technique puts theses other “masters” to shame.
They left out a lot, actually.
I can name a few:
- Hong Yu
- Fok Yuen Gaap
- Genghis Khan
- Zhou Yu
In my country there were a few as well:
- Tran Hung Dao
- Ly Thuong Kiet
- Le Loi
- Quang Trung
- Ly Trien
There are more but this should be enough.
Bruce Lee was definitely one of the great masters and actually had very practical skills, not just all classical.. He evolved to the next level.. Bruce was one of the greatest of all time !!! The future of martial arts.. 👊⚡️⚡️
Bruce lee never finished his training. He didn't have a degree in philosophy and most of his challenge opponents in movies : chuck Norris - way of the dragon. Game of death- Dan Inosanto , Ji Han jae and a few others. We're actually more qualified as fighters and martial artists than bruce was. If you notice in game of death. Ji Han jae is the only one that doesn't die. The reason for that is grandmaster Ji wouldn't actually be beaten up by bruce. Ji Han jae would have beaten him.
LDN LONDON he was trained by IP man IRL if it wasn't for IP we have nice Bruce Lee
Bruce Lee was truly a legend. One thing you have to understand, we are talking about billions of people through history. To not make this list is nothing shameful. As a long time practitioner myself, I agree that Bruce Lee an Ip Man should not be on this list. Not for any lack of ability, but rather the people on this list were nothing short of amazing. They did nothing but train and perfect their art. Bruce Lee, as great of a fighter as he was, dedicated a lot of time to making movies. Again, this is not to say he wasnt amazing. It just means he didnt get a chance to train as much as these guys on the list. Also, these masters were amazing even into their 50s and 60s. One of the qualities of martial arts is that it helps you preserve your health and abilities into old age. Try reading up on masters mentioned on this video. They were old men and still amazing with their skill.
Bruce Lee is the most overrated martial artist ever
+Lee Ryan No he isn't he teach Donnie yen his Kung fu but then in there battle Donnie yen won
first time I checked on you guys....the info was amazing!!!!
Yip Man is my favourite, so i consider him as Great Grandmaster !
FCMB Phoenix15 he wasnt good just average. But the most famous outside china
Mizong is called lost track because people do not know what to expect from the style and it was always hard for the "bad guys" to find a Mizong practitioners. The style is well intact and maybe in better working order than when it was with Huo (but also thanks to his efforts). During the communist revolution Huo's Chin Woo was shut down, but the Mizong master was in Hong Kong (English Law) by the late 1930's. The style's best masters went to Canada and the U.S. during the 60's and 70's to totally escape political China's problems. The style will prosper do to it's practical nature and it's usefulness to sport combat such as western boxing, Thai boxing, sanshou, and stand up MMA, but also detailed traditional knowledge of the art of the horse and bow stance..
Where are the masters right now?
jake yin Johnny Kwong Ming Lee in Dallas Texas. I promise.
Great video guys. I hope to be able to find out more of these people in the future.
They forgot li ti guai, bodhidarma
You guys are so cool I love the facts and I look up to you keep on the good work and videos
thanks :-)
Hands down. Bruce Lee is the greatest Martial Artist of all time. And also Ip man
He was great no doubt, and amazing with nun chucks. I'm still amazed he played ping pong with them. Your statement is opinion at best though, but I would like to know how many men have you actually seen fight since men started fighting? Bruce Lee had an advantage for ppl like you. ... TV
Great video. I love doing Xing Yi Quan I wish more people appreciated it.
Excellent! Thanks guys, really good stuff.
Leung Jan (Liang Zan) The King of Wing Chun....the best.
Can you make a video about the Romance of the Three Kingdom? I love history during this time! My favorite general Zhao Yun!
sure, such a large story haha
Romance of the Three Kingomds highly favored the Han dynasty.
I would recommend you to read Chen Shou's records about that time, they are a lot more accurate.
Wong Fei Hung! This guy knows his Shaoxing!
Thanks for the Upload👍
"8 Tri-Gram Palm"? Are you sure he wasn't from the Hyūga clan?
lmao yeah
The Legendary Super Sandwich he was one of the founders of the hyuga
8 TRI-GRAM, 64 PALM. "You are finish, you are in my attack zone" LOL
Nope he didnt had byakugan
the hyuga clan is just a fake version the wudang temple with bagua zhang
Dr Leung Jan, from foshan ?
nice video,thank you guys!
I really love how you guys talked about old vs new and a calm demeanor but let's be real those old-school dudes if they stood in a modern-day Arena they would devour Souls like Guan Yu or Zhang FEI Zhou Thai
4:22 HAHAHAHAHA Tai Chi Master: The twin warrior's soundtrack .... great
FCMB Phoenix15
*Twins mission* 😂
Leung Jan was an amazing Wing Chun Gung Fu master. Ip Man is truly one of the greats in Gung fu history. Not just because of Bruce Lee or the movies.
It's a shame this wasn't a world wide one, I love the story of the lone samurai can't remember his name but the story is brillaince
Jamezy12Gauge Gaming oh yes I think you are referring to Miyamoto Mushashi.
@@patarikisoterion9899 thank you his name escaped me completely
very great video, you explained a lot of the differences of today's martial arts purposes and the way they used it or practices it back then..
They were Kung fu masters par excellence!
A couple of things.: Bruce Lee popularized Chinese martial arts in his own time period.. In a way he blended Chinese martial arts with other arts.. Much as what any other master did your video. He is his own pioneer. Ip man while not the true grandmaster of wing Chun (Yuen Kay San fought most of the duels in mainland China and rumor has it he took ip man's skill level higher ... That Leung bik is not really the person who helped increase his knowledge but Yuen Kay San) Ip man did spreads wing Chun all over the world, partly due to Bruce Lee's popularity. Bruce Lee's teacher was really Wong Sheung Leung, one of Ip man's senior students.
Western sport martial arts like the UFC wear gloves and protective gear so any finger death touches might not work in the ring.. In the street though is another thing. Grappling arts owe a lot to Chinese martial arts.. Techniques were stolen and disseminated.. Also, what makes boxers sometimes better is because they spar a lot.. True they also have Tao Lu or forms like shadow boxing but they also do conditioning on their bodies to take hits and give them back. They fight various opponents of differing skills and work on their stamina. I feel these masters do thus more than any one in their time and yes they will be a match to ufc , mma, boxers, etc of this time period but they will not be invincible. In all of the Chinese masters I would equate to fighters of this level, they would mostly be bajiquan exponents mainly Li Shu Wen. He truly took his skill to a higher level.
I have met other masters and I can tell you that there are people whose skills are the highest caliber and can be the best of the best in this time period. The world is big and while gives you a glimpse of some of them, sometimes you just gave to go outside and see the bigger picture.
Was it most chinese martial arts equipped with weapons as it was used in the battlefield were no rules exist? Rather than that stupid ring fight where the ref yell at the fighter coz of an illegal hit and against the rules?
No, he didn't he used it for personal gain. Do talk like westerners never witnessed Kung Fu. Even Chinese Jazz song was remade by Frankie Laine called Rose Rose I love you. China never had Chinese showcase their culture to the world. Marco Polo brought pasta and Pizza to Italy. Stop the nonsense
yall got Bruce Lee fucked up
He the reason for ufc ip man is the real master
Nah y'all do, giving him a mantle unfit for him
Why wasn't Sun Ou Kong in the list?
Nice list. I'd have added Li Shuwen, the Bajiquan master from Cangzhou. He wasn't exactly a virtuous guy though; he made so many enemies that he had constant challengers, but he killed so many of these challengers that they ended up having to poison him to take him down.
I remember reading history of Tao, and they mentioned stories of Kung Fu practitioners commonly sparring on teacups placed upside down on a table as a test of skill and knowledge of Tao. Falling off or losing your footing was a big deal and disgraceful. Cool stuff to say the least. Traditional martial arts are really great to train and make you feel really good and a testimant to the mind+body philosophy. However not so practical in todays "fighting" communities. When I train, I don't do it to be a better fighter, I do it for the health, the fluidity, a sense of harmony with my body. When I first did kung fu (bak mei,a very taboo style in the community) i joined for the martial aspect, but it was the art that really hit home. The tradition, respect, wisdom. A feeling and gratification of doing something much bigger than yourself.
what about ng mui, zui can, and chi sim, and bak mei????
Ng Mui did not exist and neither did Wing Chun!
Ng Mui is the creator of Wing Chun...
Noodles? Ng Mui is a shaolin nun..Her student Yim Wing Chun Sells tofu...
No, Ng Mui and Wing Chun never existed! There is no proof they ever existed! They were just made up to keep the Manchurian government at bay while they practiced and perfected wing chun. Wing chun was designed by the five elders of the Shaolin Temple and include, white eyebrow, white crane, choy li fut, hung gar and shaolin.
Wish there was a translation
I want off the great wall back on this channel
When I learn kung fu I will invent the Cockroach fighting style kung fu. :D
This is the reason why mixed martial arts for me is not really a form of martial art per se.
what about ng mui, fong doe duk, Jim shim shim shee, Bak Mei ???
@Wilfri Castillo then what are the correct spellings?
You forgot Li Shuwen. This man is the real life one punch man, unlike Saitama who is only anime character. Undefeated and need only to hit enemy once to win. From Wikipedia : Li Shuwen (Chinese: 李书文) (1864-1934) was a master practitioner of the Chinese martial art of Bajiquan. He was known as "God Spear Li" (神槍李).His prowess was said to be enough that he boasted that he did not have to strike the same opponent twice. He was a martial arts adviser of Fu Zhensong, notably once fighting him to a draw. Li's students eventually became personal bodyguards for Mao Zedong, Chiang Kai-shek, and Henry Pu-Yi. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Shuwen
Thank you, i hope to see more martial art combinations in the future
Very informative! Thanks a lot!