@@BlueShadow777 Algorithms. Maybe in time his and mine will disappear to. These bots are given thousands of word's. Trouble is since this is slang, these bots would have to know this. YT is American, so not sure how it knows our slang when we sometimes argue to our selfs wether its right. 🤷♂️
It's worth noting that even though this TV show is a few years old now, even when it was going out that would have been mostly unacceptable on British reality TV - If someone had used it on Big Brother going out at the same time, they'd have been thrown off the show. But we were a bit more accepting a few years ago about letting historical shows be more accurate even if it meant using unacceptable words.
I think we should have a sniper division who's only job is to warn once and then take out all the Jody's. Or we should be allowed to take them to a "special place" where we can get pay back. Also that was not brutal. Because I know guys get put into lockers and tossed down the stairs inside the locker
Isn't that only in the states? I'm from Canada and nobody tells you (insert name here),is doing your wife/girlfriend. Edit: even though it's likely true.
Vet here. No, I wouldn't want to see compulsory military service. It was already difficult enough carrying people who didn't want to be there while voluntary status.
My point exactly. No, never served nor do I want my kids too either. I do respect the armed forces, they have a job to do, which is at the end of the day is to kill people. I did not raise kids for them to do that. If the time comes where it is needed, ie invasion fair enough, but not in our time. I have seen how the military abuses its people and throws them out on the streets, where they have so many mental problems they just can't cope.
I know a guy who was drafted into the Army and was one of the last draftees to retire after 30 years. For me, three years was enough but I'm glad I had the experience. I'm not for compulsory service, given that less than 30% of draft-aged people would even qualify. Say what you want about today's military, but these volunteers are the cream of the crop.
To be honest, I would rather see people made to mow lawns for old folk, paint fences, do household repairs, etc. Warfighting in the modern world is high tempo and technical. Having some conscript loafing around, manning a gate or whatever serves neither the nation, nor the young individual. Teach them strict routine and obeyance of rules and law, definitely, but make it something productive. Especially kids from poor areas where they might have fewer options. Point them in the direction of a trade, or a set of skills which will help them stay on the straight and narrow.
ReaveMan Military training might shape a man for the better, but sending a young man with zero life experience to a dysfunctional unit, or a poorly led one, could definitely give him a bad perspective on life at an impressionable age. That’s how you get fathers with alcoholism and anger issues.
@@JamesonsTravels yeah it’s something that would class as hate crime in Scotland now I’m sure as I’m from Glasgow, ten years ago people understood it’s a joke, it’s only offensive if it’s used in a hurtful way towards someone who is gay in my opinion
@@JamesonsTravels Eh some really good Marines I served with in FAST Co during Desert Storm were closeted Gays. They sort of overcompensated and were very Macho, but definitely were into dick. I think the ancient Greeks, romans and spartans had a ton of them. Bottom line if you can kill and obey you got the job.
It was genuinely moving when they marched on to the parade square for the 'passing-out' in the final episode. This was a TV show but there was such a difference in the young men, their attitude, their bearing.
In the 50’s that kid would not have been shoved in a locker he would have had his teeth knocked out. When I was in boot camp my mother went to Hawaii on vacation. When she got back she sent me a package. We had to open all packages in front of the drill instructor to insure that we were not being sent contraband. When I opened it I found she had sent me a small teddy bear with a shirt on it that said “I love Hawaii”. My heart stopped and I braced for what I knew was going to be a 30 minute thrash session. The drill instructor took one look at it and rolled his eyes. He told me to put it in my footlocker and he never wanted to see it again. We only had about two weeks left and I think that is what saved me. My mother did it on purpose knowing what would happen. She has a bit of a devious streak in her.
I'd reintroduce national service, but not necessarily military. I'd have that as an option, along with a range of other schemes designed to give back to society.
When I enlisted years ago, I was given a valuable piece of info. Listen to whats being said, not how it's being said. This way it's not personal and you can learn
Private James Willingham is actually my cousin! I remember watching the entire season of this show and I'm very proud of him as it was the making of him.
ikr like people these days are to co dependent they often dont know what there talking about. idk what it could be i thought poor oarenting but idk. they cant even take a joke and prank each other without freaking out like a toddler cuz he dosnt wanna share his candy bar lmao.
Dude like simply watching youtube at a Restaurant could simply "offend" some one now in days lmao like they seriously need to chill. they aint 5 fucking years old anymore. its even more concerning the fact that these are late teens that should be more mature. like i get they personally dont like stuff but dont go out of your way to ruin some one elses day over it.
The Roman chair thing - in the Swedish forces it’s called “jägarvila”, or “hunter’s rest”. A few years ago a nine-year-old girl made big headlines when she managed to hold it for ninety minutes. She’ll go far.
@John C @John C Add the DSM to that list. A retired CWO (WO1) who served in The Canadian Airborne Regiment and I were talking about the different Sergeant Majors. He, being a DSM when he was serving summarised it perfectly: "DSMs are the ones who kick asses." I agreed wholeheartedly and we both agreed that anyone appointed as any form of Sergeant Major is NEVER to be trifled with and ALWAYS to be listened to, regardless of rank. Only a fool would do otherwise. Be this as it may, I've seen freshly commissioned subalterns spar with particularly tough CSMs. Needless to say, the subalterns didn't fare well. Most transferred to another trade.
Fun little brag, at one of the interrogation resistance trainings I did, they used 'stress positions' to simulate the physical/mental strain of being questioned during torture, I did a 90 degree wall-sit for 8 minutes straight while my "classmates" were getting slapped and screamed at xD good times
I got drafted Apr 1971 stayed in the military retired 2010 things did change over time but all in all I believe being drafted was the very best thing that ever happened to me.
I believe it was his girlfriend he was arm wrestling against. The cameras were there, and if he is a smart guy, he lets her win for some boom boom, blowy, or handy J. Smart guy in my opinion.
If my memory serves me. The lad that keeps laughing was actually praised and encouraged to join up in the Regular army because he always laughed in every situation they put him in. They said he would be great for morale and Nuyokas said he would want him in the battlefield in his unit. Not sure if it was a TVism but I think it was sincere.
In terms of brutality there's a limit to what you can show on TV, I'm told this show was quite restrained because it had to be acceptable viewing for the general public.
Of course it was, 1950's treatment was at a time when human life or their opinions mattered little No one had degrees in human feelings ... You were there, forced in some cases to be a soldier, nothing more. Because of the standards of that time,growing up,this treatment would've seemed normal , basic training is supposed to be hard and a test.
@@wiggy5209 You claim that the 1950s "...was a time when human life... mattered little...". Are you for real? Such an ignorant statement. People had just come out of a horrific war where so many brave soldiers, of all ages, fought and died to maintain freedom for other human beings suffering under totalitarian rule and to stop it from happening to their countries. As far as your statement that, "...opinions mattered little" Let me tell you whether you like it or not, at least then we COULD GIVE our opinions. Everything is censored now - such weak people. I don't know where you get these historical fictions from. Are you confusing this bit of military argy-bargy with how ordinary people treated one another. Weak people of today think it's brutality to tell someone the truth or to offend them is equal to a physical attack. We have some very neurotic people in our society and many need some home truths and some physical activity to get their minds off their personal obsession with themselves. Regards to all.
When I was in basic training our instructor told us one thing at the beginning: Do your best. If I see that you give it your all I will have no reason to force you through the mud. And that's what we did. Made the atmosphere with him pretty good from the beginning and most of the time we still ended up being done earlier then the other group. And we made sure that the members of our group did what he told us. Made life a lot easier when the instructors had nothing to complain about.
Our section commander said work hard for me your time here will be easy. Alot of sections didn't listen so while they were getting beasted we were having a nice break
My dad did British Army national service in 1955. He did 12 weeks basic training, & had to serve for 2 years. Those guys were very different back then. As kids they had all lived through the war, which obviously gave them hardships that they saw as normal, as they just grew up with it. My dad was the youngest of 9. He knew how to look after himself. I joined the army in 87. I came home on leave from Germany & this series was on tv at the time. My dad & I decided to watch it one night. Cpl Ayakis? made one of the “bad lads” cry. I asked my dad if he thought it was authentic to nation service. “No, he laughed, men didn’t cry back then.” I don’t think national service would be a good idea. Who would want to serve along side somebody that wasn’t dedicated & didn’t want to be there. It’s not a job, it’s a vocation.
No we are not. Thus most of us wouldnt be on tv like this. There chosen for content. My USA friend asked me to do a skit on brits, but in the style of that posh guy in family guy. I told him thats how you see us. Maybe in the 1800. But not now. It shows what we see on tv sometimes gives a wrong interpretation of a country's citizen's. Its like saying every USA guy is fat. Because in uk its shown as that. But those with a brain no its not lol.
Your reaction when the kid in the "complaint" call center at the beginning of the video was the same as mine. As always, great content and your reactions are priceless. My division commanders used to pick on me for not looking like I was old enough to buy a six pack of coke without my mom holding my hand when I was in boot camp. That haunted me until I was the midcheck supervisor of the lineshack of VF-101. I needed a laugh tonight brother.
4 weeks for me at Catterick in 1958 in R Signals , then trade training for 12 weeks , then off to Episkopi garrison Cyprus for 18 months , then back to the UK , then Home sweet home to Edinburgh .
I live in the UK and am 37. And yes 2 years national service would be a great idea. Maybe not sending them to combat but doing disasters relief work. And other tasks would be a great thing.
I don’t agree. Results in an unprofessional army. Burden. It’s not the militaries job to sort out societies youth. I wouldn’t want conscripts serving with me under contact, you’d slot them before they get you killed.
@@2sqnbandit379 I did say not sending them to a war zone. No reason they couldn’t do jobs over here. Disaster relief. Packing supplies that are sent over to war zones etc. though there were those on national see that served in Korea.
I don't agree as most people don't need it, for instance I left school, went to college, did level 2 and 3 engineering, I then hit 18 I would have done National service, and that means I wouldnt have been able to start an apprenticeship and it would have done nothing but hold me back for a while. I finished my 4 year apprenticeship when I was 22 and I'm about to turn 24, I currently earn a lot more money than I was on my apprenticeship I would still probably be earning a crap wage if national service had held me up for 2 years, I currently out earn most people who are 10 years older than me, that wouldnt have been the case if I was forced to go into national service and it certainly wouldnt have been the case if this opportunity was gone in the 2 years I was there. National service is also very draconian as some people dont want to be a part of the military or dont agree with the existence of one, in general forcing someone to take 2 years out of their life to do something like that is unreasonable, in the 50s WW2 wasnt far behind us so I could understand it but after the 60s no.
I agree with Mike Fant, I'm sure that when people volunteer they do it because the want to serve alongside other people that are striving to be the best they can be, not some draftee that's going to half ass it the whole time and probably gonna get you killed because he can't pull hist own weight. What people need to do is to start putting an effort in raising their offspring correctly rather that hoping that some government institution does it for them. We live in an Era of undisciplined youths, yes I agree, but that only happens because of lazy parents.
I would not want to rely on the average of this generation in combat ...I could not rely on them. I doubt they can be taught brotherhood, discipline, controled aggression and the determination to win or die trying without some serious re-education, they defeat themselves in the mind first, and need to learn to reject weakness and learn strength, society has done them a diservice, instead of teaching strength they coddle weakness to a crippling degree from an early age.
@@lordofhill3029 yep, I noticed that also. A little bit of national service to help give people a sense of purpose or direction, allowing them to learn skills or a trade that they wouldn't necessarily gain anywhere else, can only he a good thing. I for one, benefited from a short spell in the army after being expelled from high-school just before my highers, for an act of violence. A notice went to the local colleges explaining that I had violent tendencies and didn't interact with others or authority well. The army ate that up, chewed me up and spat me out a new man with a sense of responsibility and purpose. Kept me from making stupid decisions that probably would have ended with me being imprisoned. If it was good enough for me, it should be good enough for every other member of joe public.
I was amazed at how hard crawling got after a few hundred meters.. you got your gear in the way, the helmets slips down, the mud gets in your face, and then they introduce dragging your friends while prone
It may. We will see if I can get past there copyright claim. Right now it’s a free for them since all ads are going to them. Working on a copy right dispute.
I believe that having some level of compulsory service would be beneficial for a number of reasons. 1. Giving young people a taste of discipline, and exposure to different perspectives that exist in your own communities can help you in the long-term when it comes to critical thinking. 2. It gives people more time to really understand themselves, and what they want to accomplish in their lives. Instead of rushing off to college to study something that you may not want to do for the rest of your lives, you can take a couple of years to better yourself and experience working alongside people you may never have encountered otherwise. 3. You learn how to take care of yourselves and the people around in a more selfless, and beneficial way. 4. You learn how to work with people toward a common goal regardless of whether or not you like or even get along with someone. 5. It teaches you how to recognize your limits, and overcome them. This might be one of the most important lessons I took from my time in the Army. Recognizing the difference between mental limitations, and physical ones made me realize that mental blocks are the main reason people quit. Push through the pain, and exhaustion and you'll see how much stronger you actually are. Don't quit until the doctors tell you to, and then keep going anyway.
I do agree but some guys died in service in my country. Fat guy got a heart attack probably cause med fucked up when checking him. The army also has the disadvantage to break the rythm of school ehich makes some unable to get back into studies. I do hope i lear something from mandatory service if i have the physical condition to be taken in. Or i might flee my country if i cant to avoid having to be stuck having to clean the streets or help keeping protests peaceful.
Quality is not the only variable when it comes to war. You don't magically stop dying because you're well-trained, a well-placed grenade or mortar shell will take you out all the same. Let's take my country Singapore (where I'm currently a national serviceman). We currently have around 72,000 conscripts and regulars in service with about 1 million reservists. Without these reservists, we would be outnumbered by our Indonesian neighbour more than 4:1 and 8000 less than Malaysia. And that's assuming that same 72,000 stays in service as a professional army which I can assure you it won't. Nobody wants to go to war, but everyone wants to live. National service is, at its core, a deterrent.
Get Some In started in 1975. I know, that's the year I joined the RAF. It was funny to start with because I could relate to some of the situations but after series 2 it got boring.
Love Lad's Army!!! Did my basic training 29 years ago in the South African Army, almost identical to this, exept we had modern day uniforms. Our rank structure and modus operandi is very closely related to that of the british army. We called that exercise "riding a motorcycle" or something, and it was mostly guys with "light duty"(medical restrictions) who were punished this way. Corporal (Sergeant major) Noyakis and Corporal (Sergeant major) Murry are great guys and it would have been an honor to serve with either of them!
Made me into a man. When I started to climb the ranks I did the same thing, turn boys into men. They hated me, but they got with the program. I feel National Service could be beneficial to some little "wannabe" hard men that committed a crime. This way they could pay their debt back with honor. Depending on the degree of the offense .
@@ftdefiance1 not really, the individuals don't want to be there, so they piss around. Plus the military hate them being there, because they don't want to waste their time.
There's a great punishment at the end of the show where the giggling guy has to paint a bin of coal white, every piece, and he's instructed to place them all in a line across the yard while the rest of the platoon is out on PT, the private spells out "Waterloo section" with the painted coal, the Sergeant who instructed him explains that because the private hadn't followed the instruction the rest of the platoon has to paint an entire coal shed white, every single piece of coal, and line every building with the painted coal. Its like the old army expression "if it moves salute it, if it doesn't paint it white"
Coach called em wall sits, made us do em as punishment. And now my kids' most feared phrase is 'Go sit on the wall'. It's a great way to build character and leg muscles at the same time.
National Service / Conscription, hmmm tough one. On the one hand yes, it may instill some discipline and values into SOME people, on the other hand though, when you're dealing with conscription, you're always going to have these people who don't want to be there, and are they then going to cause more harm than good to whatever branch of the military they end up in? I would agree though that something needs to be done to break this thinking that it's somehow "wrong" to be a masculine man.
I imagine it would be it’s own branch. It would (if the mod had any sense). It would probably be similar to the TA but deploy very last and they’d probably end up doing humanitarian aid and all that bollocks. I doubt (unless it was a world war) that they’d be infantry or full time. I’m personally all for it but the problem now is that the standards are far higher and the people are far u healthier. Everyone’s a fat lump and it’s piss easy to get diagnosed with depression or anxiety these days so it would be very, very to avoid going in.
The Mad Tatter I think a good start would be reinstating the CCF in all schools. A few days a week in school as military cadets for 5 years would do a world of good without all the controversy of introducing conscription. They had it in my school from yr9 to upper sixth and it was great; doing parade, life skills, I was in the navy section so we did stuff like learning to sail, got our powerboat quals, visited bases, went on residentials, remembrance day presentations, overall just something that forces having an organised structure about yourself. Might not be as intense an experience as the real deal but kids minds are more malleable than an adults so it would likely have more of an impact over a larger group if not a more absolute impact over a smaller group. Failing that I suppose you could always do mandatory service as a reservists instead so it wont affect the actual quality of the front end military
I love this discussion because it reminds me that I and other nco's were having this same discussion nearly 40 years ago. The general opinion was not to bring it in because it would drag down the military. We preferred people that wanted to be there, to put the effort and sacrifice in as opposed to the Mon-Fri, 8-5 crowd who would bitch if a bit of extra work or inconvenience was required. I also recall reading a letter in an old newspaper calling for military training for the youth of the day due to their lackadaisical attitude. I checked the date of publication of the paper. It was a happened to be published in 1939, a few months prior to the commencement of the Second World War. Still the same old argument between the generations. 😔
On the "trained to kill" comment. Isn't that one of the creeds of the USMC? Every Marine a rifleman first. I remember a scene from a WWII movie where the Germans had broken through the lines unexpectedly, and the Americans were being overrun. A sergeant runs into a kitchen where a bunch of cooks are preparing food, and tells them to drop what they're doing, grab their rifles and helmets, and follow him. It seems to me that situation could happen in any combat area at anytime.
My grandfather belonged to the East Anglian Regiment, Royal Army Medical Corps, he was a nurse and served and trained during the early 50's, went to places such as Egypt during the Suez incident, Korea etc and trust he was still trained with to use the Lee-Enfield No. 4 and carried his Webley sidearm and if needed he would be required to join in defence if the situation arose.
There was a lad I admired. He was a gentle sort who did needlecraft yet joined up for this to toughen up. The Scottish sergeant pointed out how far out of his comfort zone this lad had gone. That takes balls.
Murray was a legend. There was a scene where he was beasting three of them and he said he’d keep going until he broke one of them. Eventually one broke and all he did was praise them. Him breaking didn’t mean he was weak. It showed that he kept going until he physically could do no more and completely broke down. That’s very different from just giving up. They had so much respect for the lads that tried and gave it their all.
Wrong you are making too many assumptions. Putting people in the army who do not want to serve is wasting resources, it is also bad for the economy. Furthermore, it diverts resources from within the army, it goes from a highly professional force to a conscript one overnight. It is also very very expensive
I'd rather fight with some kid who can't hold a gun, rather than some poor idiot who has no loyalty to the force and will desert at the first opportunity. Conscription into the army significantly reduces professionalism, and fill the ranks with disloyal soldiers.
The word you were having difficulty with is "Poofter" or "Poofta" which is very mild compared with the wide range of descriptions that were used when I did my "Square Bashing" (Basic Training) in the R.A.F. in October 1954. From the very moment we arrived at R.A.F. Padgate it was one hell of an experience in Verbal Abuse deliberately designed to make you laugh/giggle which was the signal to really go to town with the next stage of Verbal tirades very often orientated to wards your Parentage or lack of. The whole idea was to decondition you of your soft life, then build you up to respect team work and Discipline which could likely save your life. We were upon arrival was to March to our accommodation which were WW2 wooden huts, during this it was pissing down with rain. We were allocated to two huts and told to dump our Kit on a Pit(Bed) and be back on parade in two minutes wearing our dual purpose ground sheet as a Poncho.... But when we opened to hut door the interior was a right shit hole.... The entry who had passed out that morning, despite being told NOT to trash the floor etc did exactly that and threw ashes on the highly wax polished Lino floor and then skated up and down in their hob nailed boots. Then marched to the Bedding store to be issued with bedding, on the way back during the rain many dropped their bedding in the puddles..... No compassion was offered because your were a clumsy bastard. On returning to our huts the D.I's (Drill instructors) took great pleasure in telling us that the Floor had to be Wax Polished , Our Kit had to be ironed ready for inspection together with our Brasses polished, Boots Toe Caps and rear heal panels rubbed free from the leather Orange Peal pimples and shiney so you could see you face in them, and lastly Kit laid out correctly on the bed for inspection at 08-00hrs next morning So stop whinging and put you energy into being ready in the morning or else WW3 would be enacted. Next Morning spot on 08-00hrs the door burst open and the D.I's went through like a dose of salts tipping every bed over.... and that was only the start of 8 weeks of wall to wall discipline that was certainly consistent .... But when we passed out the transformation in us was remarkable and I had great pleasure in passing out not as a 18 year old but as a man. Very fortunate for the experience . Per ardua ad Astra. YES I do believe in conscription( National Service) firstly because it gives you Pride in yourself and the values of your Country and those who gave the Ultimate Sacrifice. Lest we Forget.
Holding our M-16's straight out in front of us for several minutes. After a couple of minutes the thing feels like it weighs 50 pounds and there was ALWAYS someone starting to droop, arms shaking, so the drills would extend the time until everyone was straight again.
I remembering being in front of the Armory holding getting some love. Holding just like that. I thought damn this thing is getting heavy quick. Many more days of that to come.
@@JamesonsTravels Oh yea, one of my drills called it 'the Motivator'. After I got out, my Dad and I fell asleep watching some show on BUD's training. (Alcohol was involved of course.) Next thing I know my Dad is waking me up asking what I was doing-I was running in place, arms straight out with the trainees on the television.
National service was for 18 months, my Dad just missed it, my father in law was in Hong Kong for his, because he was good at sport he had a great time. He was good looking, so he was made to serve drinks at all the officers parties, he said all the wives of the officers and other women at the parties would put their phone number in your pocket!
Yeahhhh thats physical impossible to do the same thing without a wall what you did is call "squatting" lol not nearly as hard as a proper wall squat (roman chair).
My Sargeant Major was a walking dictionary of the informative insults. He could just stare into your soul and insult you in such a debased manner that would flay the courage to stand there and be tougher then his words like a flametrower melts flesh, but he could do it with such a humerous punchline that would have you rolling on the floor for a lack of oxygen from laughing. And then you'd all get beasted.
@@kennyiscool3722 In my personal experience gen Z can't even work basic jobs without having a mental crisis but all generations have fickle and useless individuals
Adam well I mean I’m a 2002 gen z and I work 2 12 hours shifts doing security petrols on Saturday and Sunday and last time I visited Uganda (My parents’ country of origin) I worked with for my uncle loading trucks with beer crates for 5 hours a day for 4 days a week. My opinion might just be different because I was raised on the council estates of London (the equivalent on American housing projects) so at least the gen z people I associate with are made of tougher stuff.
The maturity of men compared to "then" and "now" is comparable to a T (according to my grandmother anyway). I matured while I was in, but halfway through it that maturity regressed. Getting out it's been a real left and right. But the truth is that, like you said, camera's have shown more and more of that immaturity.
I met and chatted with corporal Nauyokas yesterday at the Temple at War show in Essex.. The man was just the same, it was a real pleasure to meet him. 👍🏼
From South Africa, did my compulsory national service in 1989 (towards end of Angolan War). We used to get punished by the instructors in Basics (SA version of Bootcamp) holding our rifles by the front-tip, arms fully extended in front of us. About 20 seconds in you start to feel the pain, arms start to drop, instructor jumps on you, right in your face screaming at you to lift your arms, with more expletives mixed in than words. No we had a Staff Sergeant that could hold his R1 (FN for US viewers) rifle by the tip, with a Fire-bucket (basically a metal bucket painted red), filled with water for 2 minutes. What a mountain of a man he was. Enormous chest and shoulders with skinny legs - not body builder type, just naturally big boned and extremely strong. The "Roman Chairs" reference made me think back to the rifle punishment we had in training. Anyway, great channel, please keep doing it.
Training was longer than four weeks, but this is a TV show with a budget. A month will not make a trained infantryman, but it's enough to get these guys working like a team and for the TB people to get the footage they need.
I also think that National Service should be a requisite for civil service and anyone who wants to become a government leader or minister. Enough Eton toffee-nosed bollocks. Get someone who knows what it's like to be out in the thick of it. They'll appreciate the hard work needed to run a country, unlike the current administration.
Nauyokas is an all round badass, Murray is a real hard bastard but he has a heart of gold, he has a couple lads confide in him through the series and is great to see, he's like a father figure
When a country has not been directly attacked for 70+ years, economy and living standards continually going up.... that's what causes this snowflake/safe space rubbish. Societies get too comfortable and worry about idiotic things.
Are you fucking dense? That's literally called improving civilization. Once people get over killing each other, they start to focus on more important societal and social advancements. But I guess you just want a world where we're all cavemen living in tribes and beating each other with rocks and sticks forever, huh
I joined in the 80's at 16. Lived in billets like that and had a Troop Staff like them. A total of 2 years being beasted daily until I could go into the Regulars. That video takes me back there.
We called it "The Position" at the Para Depot. As far as I know my platoon had the record at 55 minutes, that hurt, a lot of stuff hurt, character building, cups of water on the backs of hands as well.
I found standing on parade for hours the most deceptively difficult thing. Its tough to stand still for long periods especially in a blues uniform where you get warm as fuck and your knees begin to hurt and tbh youre just praying you'll be asked to move soon so your knees dont seize up 😂😂
Depends on the conscription armys "quality". I'm a Finnish Army Medic (reserve) and I recall the key things they tought us back in '07: Shit always pours downwords so if you have someone around you who you can abuse with your higher status over them then force them to do your shit. "Materiaali vastuu!" anyone in Finnish Army knows this by hard for the rest of their lives "Material (equipment and gear essdentially) ressponsibility!". Everyone are responsible for their own "shit". Now the key note on this: So if you find any unsupervised "materiaali" (unlocked locker as the jackpot) then by all means make that idiot suffer who left it open. So: Avoid work and responsibility, abuse others, be a total cleptomaniac with a absolutely pure conscience... Not exactly the norms I lived by then, live today or will live in the future... On top of all this, the most important military tactics we were told to remember and obey if shit hits the fan: OUR SOLE TRUE ENEMY: EASTERN NEIGHBOUR. WHAT TO DO: DIG A FOXHOLE ON WESTERN SIDE OF THE RIDGE AND WAIT WITH RIFLE AIMED TO THE EAST FOR HIM TO WALK UP TO YOU. As if russians would be interested in repeating WW2 tactics again and down to the letter... So out dated... Conclusion: Demand and quality must meet in order to generate something useful.
22 years ago when I was in bootcamp I was a little sloppy with my weight, not a full out mushbag, but a little flab. I think the offset comments did help me fight more to prove I had what it took and make myself get in the proper shape.
@Jamesons Travels in answer to your question regarding national service training length, it was not origionaly 4 weeks, it was 6 weeks training. After attending a medical and joining up, all conscripts had six weeks of basic training during which they got used to military life. They initially served for 18 months.National Service was a standardised form of peacetime conscription. All able-bodied men between the ages of 18 and 30 were called up.
Other countries have at least a 2 year military service right out of high school. Many do not know what they want to do with their lives: work, college, etc. It gives them some more time to decide and it's good for the country. Some stay in, some leave with perhaps a good skill to use on the outside. It's a win/win deal.
The way I understand it is that we "Baby Boomers" were a more mature, serious, conscientious group of people compared to say the "Generation X" group of today. They seem to want things to happen fast, not willing to work for it, the world owes them a living, perhaps more pampered? Of course, these are generalizations, but perhaps true?
I guess I was lucky, considering my upbringing, that I was intelligent enough to teach myself discipline and turn out ok. Some idiots should be put into military while young just for that reason. Discipline.
That Roman Chairs exercise... We used to have Scandinavian students stay with us. Norwegians and Swedes mostly. Staying in our home as they learned English and got a taste for the country. It was good for both sides. My mum made a few quid and I got to meet people from all over Europe. Anyway, we had some Scandinavian students who spent a lot of time at home skiing. During the summer, on holiday with us, they did their best to keep in shape for when they got back to the snow. They'd sit like that against a wall, legs at 90°, and eat dinner or watch TV. They'd manage it for 30-45 minutes at a time! I tried it. It's agony very, very quickly! But, I'm told, it works on exactly the same muscles as holding a tuck for aerodynamics in downhill skiing. I've never watched skiing the same since trying that exercise! Watching them at 70 mph in that crouching tuck with thighs working like shock absorbers! Try it, it burns like hell after a few minutes.
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My old man was a sergeant in the British Infantry in the 1950’s, he saw action in Korea. He was a tough bastard R.I.P Dad 💪🏼
Respect for your father. The Korean War was brutal. 💪💪
@Phil Wilson cool
Thank you for your dads service. RIP hero
My dad was a US Marine in Korea. Got hit at Tak Tong. Was evacuated by Bititish Marines
@@johnhunter9646 did he make a complete recovery?
Lads Army and the Bad Lads Army was great series.
both great so was the officer class.
Series 3+4 are the best imo
@@mylordandsaviourisjesuschr7577 it was on itv not BBC.
If you like crap such as Big Brother.
@@colinp2238 not even close
"It's a football, Corporal"
"Let me have a look"
*kick*
Isn´t that called robbery?
@@thodan467 no
Goal 🥅 ⚽️
That shit was hilarious
it was a awfull weak kick i know why the england isent winning anything anymore ....
this was a brilliant show. those two staff sgts were legends in the UK after that.
Whenever i hear a British Sergeant yelling at a recruit I cant help but think of Monty Python "Marching up and down the square"😅😅
It's the Benny Hill Show!!!!
Looks like the Same company square! ..Right
I SUPPOSE YOU'D RATHER BE AT THE PICTURES THEN!!!!!
@@otterwithagun1982 yes yes... . Alright!! Off you go the!! Seargent Major!! MARCHING UP AND DOWN THE SQUARE!!!
Haha that's a great sketch that...😂😂
The Corporal called him a "poof", not a puff, which is slang for gay man.
I’ve been trying to explain this but my comment keeps getting censored!!! How did yours get through ok???
@@BlueShadow777
Algorithms. Maybe in time his and mine will disappear to. These bots are given thousands of word's. Trouble is since this is slang, these bots would have to know this. YT is American, so not sure how it knows our slang when we sometimes argue to our selfs wether its right. 🤷♂️
It's worth noting that even though this TV show is a few years old now, even when it was going out that would have been mostly unacceptable on British reality TV - If someone had used it on Big Brother going out at the same time, they'd have been thrown off the show. But we were a bit more accepting a few years ago about letting historical shows be more accurate even if it meant using unacceptable words.
Lol. It probably get taken down in an hour... ironically still get the same treatment. In Scotland at least “character building” 😬
No he didn't. He called him a puff. The reason it sounds like poof is because of the Scottish accent. Trust me.
"my bf is a bit of wimp." She's waiting for jody to give her the business while he's away at training.
I think we should have a sniper division who's only job is to warn once and then take out all the Jody's.
Or we should be allowed to take them to a "special place" where we can get pay back.
Also that was not brutal. Because I know guys get put into lockers and tossed down the stairs inside the locker
😂😂
Jody will be in like Flynn! 😂😂😂
Isn't that only in the states? I'm from Canada and nobody tells you (insert name here),is doing your wife/girlfriend.
Edit: even though it's likely true.
“Jody” is the American version, over here in the UK we worry about Big Leroy 😂
Vet here. No, I wouldn't want to see compulsory military service. It was already difficult enough carrying people who didn't want to be there while voluntary status.
My point exactly. No, never served nor do I want my kids too either. I do respect the armed forces, they have a job to do, which is at the end of the day is to kill people. I did not raise kids for them to do that. If the time comes where it is needed, ie invasion fair enough, but not in our time. I have seen how the military abuses its people and throws them out on the streets, where they have so many mental problems they just can't cope.
I know a guy who was drafted into the Army and was one of the last draftees to retire after 30 years. For me, three years was enough but I'm glad I had the experience. I'm not for compulsory service, given that less than 30% of draft-aged people would even qualify. Say what you want about today's military, but these volunteers are the cream of the crop.
To be honest, I would rather see people made to mow lawns for old folk, paint fences, do household repairs, etc. Warfighting in the modern world is high tempo and technical. Having some conscript loafing around, manning a gate or whatever serves neither the nation, nor the young individual. Teach them strict routine and obeyance of rules and law, definitely, but make it something productive. Especially kids from poor areas where they might have fewer options. Point them in the direction of a trade, or a set of skills which will help them stay on the straight and narrow.
ReaveMan Military training might shape a man for the better, but sending a young man with zero life experience to a dysfunctional unit, or a poorly led one, could definitely give him a bad perspective on life at an impressionable age.
That’s how you get fathers with alcoholism and anger issues.
I'm sorry, I am more of 'service guarantees citizenship'. As an old movie put it 'you don't get no soldiers out of no draft'.
At about 8:50 he called him a “poofter” just a slang Scottish derogatory term for gay
I figured as much. In our current sjw world he would be deplatformed.
@@JamesonsTravels yeah it’s something that would class as hate crime in Scotland now I’m sure as I’m from Glasgow, ten years ago people understood it’s a joke, it’s only offensive if it’s used in a hurtful way towards someone who is gay in my opinion
It's not specific to Scotland. It's an insult throughout Britain I think. Certainly is in England anyway.
@@diggoryx yeah I get you, I’ve heard it used in England before
@@JamesonsTravels Eh some really good Marines I served with in FAST Co during Desert Storm were closeted Gays. They sort of overcompensated and were very Macho, but definitely were into dick. I think the ancient Greeks, romans and spartans had a ton of them. Bottom line if you can kill and obey you got the job.
It was genuinely moving when they marched on to the parade square for the 'passing-out' in the final episode. This was a TV show but there was such a difference in the young men, their attitude, their bearing.
In the 50’s that kid would not have been shoved in a locker he would have had his teeth knocked out. When I was in boot camp my mother went to Hawaii on vacation. When she got back she sent me a package. We had to open all packages in front of the drill instructor to insure that we were not being sent contraband. When I opened it I found she had sent me a small teddy bear with a shirt on it that said “I love Hawaii”. My heart stopped and I braced for what I knew was going to be a 30 minute thrash session. The drill instructor took one look at it and rolled his eyes. He told me to put it in my footlocker and he never wanted to see it again. We only had about two weeks left and I think that is what saved me. My mother did it on purpose knowing what would happen. She has a bit of a devious streak in her.
Great story! What a rum old bird your ma was.
@@anthonyblore1651 Suffolk?
Funny story...never send packages to kids in boot or basic.
Rick Perkins Do you still have the bear? Haha. Btw I’m from Hawaii.
I'd reintroduce national service, but not necessarily military. I'd have that as an option, along with a range of other schemes designed to give back to society.
Instead of a gun give em a shovel. Let's start with militantly planting some trees, revitalizing our top-soil and capturing carbon.
2020Vision
They actually did that if I remember correctly. The Civilian Conservation Corps, CCC.
As in Switzerland.
Compulsory military training is done in Singapore too.
All citizens when reaching the age of 18 are required to do 2 years in the military.
@@2020_Visi0n That's a very sound and quite feasible idea!
When I enlisted years ago, I was given a valuable piece of info. Listen to whats being said, not how it's being said. This way it's not personal and you can learn
Love this!!!! We can all learn from this!😊
That can depend tbh. Especially with arrogant bosses, etc. But yes, very valuable.
Helped me hodl my tongue a LOT with dick heads.
Private James Willingham is actually my cousin! I remember watching the entire season of this show and I'm very proud of him as it was the making of him.
Didn’t ask
That's okay. I thought I'd mention it anyway.
Does he still have the trophy he won for most improved recruit?
Not sure.
@@Climinator-op6kh how is he now ?
Roman chairs is a bit like burpees. Looks super easy but gets hard super fast.
This has been a year of lockdown anti-fitness. Did 2 minutes and wouldn't have lasted many more seconds of it. Deceptively hard!
Called the boxers position when I did my basic training.
Love a good burpee sesh!
This show was early 2000s at least people still laughed at being attacked, now they would be “oFfeNDed”
saying hello will offend people this day in time
Arraylius Gaming hello
ikr like people these days are to co dependent they often dont know what there talking about. idk what it could be i thought poor oarenting but idk. they cant even take a joke and prank each other without freaking out like a toddler cuz he dosnt wanna share his candy bar lmao.
Dude like simply watching youtube at a Restaurant could simply "offend" some one now in days lmao like they seriously need to chill. they aint 5 fucking years old anymore. its even more concerning the fact that these are late teens that should be more mature. like i get they personally dont like stuff but dont go out of your way to ruin some one elses day over it.
this show is very 2000s, i doubt anyone would get offended by this show's premise today though.
The Roman chair thing - in the Swedish forces it’s called “jägarvila”, or “hunter’s rest”. A few years ago a nine-year-old girl made big headlines when she managed to hold it for ninety minutes. She’ll go far.
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That's impressive.
You’ve got to check the BAD lads army episodes with SGT Weston. He will have you laughing with his beastings.
Lord commander of the memes watch he’s your worst nightmare come true
@John C @John C Add the DSM to that list. A retired CWO (WO1) who served in The Canadian Airborne Regiment and I were talking about the different Sergeant Majors. He, being a DSM when he was serving summarised it perfectly: "DSMs are the ones who kick asses." I agreed wholeheartedly and we both agreed that anyone appointed as any form of Sergeant Major is NEVER to be trifled with and ALWAYS to be listened to, regardless of rank. Only a fool would do otherwise. Be this as it may, I've seen freshly commissioned subalterns spar with particularly tough CSMs. Needless to say, the subalterns didn't fare well. Most transferred to another trade.
Fun little brag, at one of the interrogation resistance trainings I did, they used 'stress positions' to simulate the physical/mental strain of being questioned during torture, I did a 90 degree wall-sit for 8 minutes straight while my "classmates" were getting slapped and screamed at xD good times
"wall sits" are very common exercise for martial arts with kicks. 2 minutes and I started having flashbacks of my infancy.
The Roman Chair is called "stress popsition" in the Britsih Army and it will adjust anybody'e attitude if done for long enough! lol
I've done it in the gym as a exercise on leg days to fully drain my legs at the end of a leg day.
I got drafted Apr 1971 stayed in the military retired 2010 things did change over time but all in all I believe being drafted was the very best thing that ever happened to me.
That my friend, is called Stockholm Syndrome
@@TechWechSech preach
39 years service, did they forget to kick you out?
wtf i mean your pfp looks like it
Poor guy losing an arm wrestling match in front of his girlfriend.
I believe it was his girlfriend he was arm wrestling against. The cameras were there, and if he is a smart guy, he lets her win for some boom boom, blowy, or handy J. Smart guy in my opinion.
@@stienmuller7295 Boy, it doesn't work that way Hahaha
@@stienmuller7295 I think its the opposite mate...
She' was probably getting passed round that office like a pinball. Poor guy.
I thought that was a twiglet, not an arm
If my memory serves me. The lad that keeps laughing was actually praised and encouraged to join up in the Regular army because he always laughed in every situation they put him in. They said he would be great for morale and Nuyokas said he would want him in the battlefield in his unit. Not sure if it was a TVism but I think it was sincere.
He also came a long way in his attitude and learnt to know when to be laughable and when not to.
Well, they call me the *Joker*
Yea it was cool seeing a few of these Characters sign up for service once it was finished. Hopefully it put them all on a path for discipline.
In terms of brutality there's a limit to what you can show on TV, I'm told this show was quite restrained because it had to be acceptable viewing for the general public.
Probably scripted / edited to an extent with recruitment factor in mind.
Of course it was, 1950's treatment was at a time when human life or their opinions mattered little
No one had degrees in human feelings ... You were there, forced in some cases to be a soldier, nothing more.
Because of the standards of that time,growing up,this treatment would've seemed normal , basic training is supposed to be hard and a test.
@@wiggy5209 You claim that the 1950s "...was a time when human life... mattered little...".
Are you for real? Such an ignorant statement. People had just come out of a horrific war where so many brave soldiers, of all ages, fought and died to maintain freedom for other human beings suffering under totalitarian rule and to stop it from happening to their countries. As far as your statement that, "...opinions mattered little" Let me tell you whether you like it or not, at least then we COULD GIVE our opinions. Everything is censored now - such weak people.
I don't know where you get these historical fictions from. Are you confusing this bit of military argy-bargy with how ordinary people treated one another.
Weak people of today think it's brutality to tell someone the truth or to offend them is equal to a physical attack.
We have some very neurotic people in our society and many need some home truths and some physical activity to get their minds off their personal obsession with themselves. Regards to all.
Dang
Loved this show! The ones that made it through developed self respect.
2:00 "My dads put me up to this" Why do I feel they cut him off before he could say "help me" lol
He left within the first week. He was usesless
@@SpadgerMcTeagle1 yup, he wanted to let his knee recover and then join the Royal Marines
When I was in basic training our instructor told us one thing at the beginning:
Do your best. If I see that you give it your all I will have no reason to force you through the mud.
And that's what we did. Made the atmosphere with him pretty good from the beginning and most of the time we still
ended up being done earlier then the other group.
And we made sure that the members of our group did what he told us.
Made life a lot easier when the instructors had nothing to complain about.
Our section commander said work hard for me your time here will be easy. Alot of sections didn't listen so while they were getting beasted we were having a nice break
"has anything fallen in your underpants recently"
I woulda been court martialed so fast 😂
My dad did British Army national service in 1955. He did 12 weeks basic training, & had to serve for 2 years. Those guys were very different back then. As kids they had all lived through the war, which obviously gave them hardships that they saw as normal, as they just grew up with it. My dad was the youngest of 9. He knew how to look after himself. I joined the army in 87. I came home on leave from Germany & this series was on tv at the time. My dad & I decided to watch it one night. Cpl Ayakis? made one of the “bad lads” cry. I asked my dad if he thought it was authentic to nation service. “No, he laughed, men didn’t cry back then.”
I don’t think national service would be a good idea. Who would want to serve along side somebody that wasn’t dedicated & didn’t want to be there. It’s not a job, it’s a vocation.
Rock painters.
"If it moves salute it, if it doesn't, paint it."
RSM’s move, but you’d be a fool to salute one.
The boys all loved Murray and Nookie by the end.I know a lot of the lads still keep in touch with them.
I served with Joe Murray in 2 Para. Top bloke
I promise, not all Brits are cringey 😅
Maby 95% 😂😂😂
No we are not. Thus most of us wouldnt be on tv like this. There chosen for content. My USA friend asked me to do a skit on brits, but in the style of that posh guy in family guy. I told him thats how you see us. Maybe in the 1800. But not now. It shows what we see on tv sometimes gives a wrong interpretation of a country's citizen's. Its like saying every USA guy is fat. Because in uk its shown as that. But those with a brain no its not lol.
@Brian Anderson
No there not. Do you live in England. Wtf kind of stereotype is this lmao, y all stupid af 😆😆😥
@Brian Anderson Americans are way more cringey than Brits. The average British person has superior humor - they're hilarious.
Brit cringiness is part of their charm when we're playing multiplayer games.
This was filmed in 2002 before internet on phones.
I read it as before internet "or" phones.. haha
1950's boot camp lasted 8 weeks
On the maturity of the lads, this programme was from 20 years ago so these lads are now at least 40 in 2021.
14:29
"Do you want to lay next to him?"
"No, corporal"
"Well, obviously he wants you to, 'cus he's already making room for you!"
Your reaction when the kid in the "complaint" call center at the beginning of the video was the same as mine. As always, great content and your reactions are priceless. My division commanders used to pick on me for not looking like I was old enough to buy a six pack of coke without my mom holding my hand when I was in boot camp. That haunted me until I was the midcheck supervisor of the lineshack of VF-101. I needed a laugh tonight brother.
OUTSTANDING!
The “recruits” in the TV show were there for four weeks, but in National Service 1947 - 1961 basic training would have been about 12 weeks.
wasnt the whole duration of NAtional service like 2 years or something?
@@vinniecross1092 Yes
When I joined the Cameron Highlanderrs in 1959 the training period was 16 weeks.
4 weeks for me at Catterick in 1958 in R Signals , then trade training for 12 weeks , then off to Episkopi garrison Cyprus for 18 months , then back to the UK , then Home sweet home to Edinburgh .
I live in the UK and am 37. And yes 2 years national service would be a great idea. Maybe not sending them to combat but doing disasters relief work. And other tasks would be a great thing.
As someone else who lives in the uk i agree
I don’t agree. Results in an unprofessional army. Burden. It’s not the militaries job to sort out societies youth. I wouldn’t want conscripts serving with me under contact, you’d slot them before they get you killed.
@@2sqnbandit379 I did say not sending them to a war zone. No reason they couldn’t do jobs over here. Disaster relief. Packing supplies that are sent over to war zones etc. though there were those on national see that served in Korea.
I don't agree as most people don't need it, for instance I left school, went to college, did level 2 and 3 engineering, I then hit 18 I would have done National service, and that means I wouldnt have been able to start an apprenticeship and it would have done nothing but hold me back for a while.
I finished my 4 year apprenticeship when I was 22 and I'm about to turn 24, I currently earn a lot more money than I was on my apprenticeship I would still probably be earning a crap wage if national service had held me up for 2 years, I currently out earn most people who are 10 years older than me, that wouldnt have been the case if I was forced to go into national service and it certainly wouldnt have been the case if this opportunity was gone in the 2 years I was there.
National service is also very draconian as some people dont want to be a part of the military or dont agree with the existence of one, in general forcing someone to take 2 years out of their life to do something like that is unreasonable, in the 50s WW2 wasnt far behind us so I could understand it but after the 60s no.
@@sirdetmist3204 regardless its good because it teaches all the dickheads you see now some discipline
Oh we absolutely need some form of National Service, just to instill some discipline and maybe put a backbone back into the country.
I don’t think the Army wants people who don’t want to be there and it is not the Army’s job to deal with social issues
I agree with Mike Fant, I'm sure that when people volunteer they do it because the want to serve alongside other people that are striving to be the best they can be, not some draftee that's going to half ass it the whole time and probably gonna get you killed because he can't pull hist own weight. What people need to do is to start putting an effort in raising their offspring correctly rather that hoping that some government institution does it for them. We live in an Era of undisciplined youths, yes I agree, but that only happens because of lazy parents.
people cant say this who have never served or done national service.
I would not want to rely on the average of this generation in combat ...I could not rely on them. I doubt they can be taught brotherhood, discipline, controled aggression and the determination to win or die trying without some serious re-education, they defeat themselves in the mind first, and need to learn to reject weakness and learn strength, society has done them a diservice, instead of teaching strength they coddle weakness to a crippling degree from an early age.
@@lordofhill3029 yep, I noticed that also. A little bit of national service to help give people a sense of purpose or direction, allowing them to learn skills or a trade that they wouldn't necessarily gain anywhere else, can only he a good thing. I for one, benefited from a short spell in the army after being expelled from high-school just before my highers, for an act of violence. A notice went to the local colleges explaining that I had violent tendencies and didn't interact with others or authority well. The army ate that up, chewed me up and spat me out a new man with a sense of responsibility and purpose. Kept me from making stupid decisions that probably would have ended with me being imprisoned. If it was good enough for me, it should be good enough for every other member of joe public.
I was amazed at how hard crawling got after a few hundred meters.. you got your gear in the way, the helmets slips down, the mud gets in your face, and then they introduce dragging your friends while prone
Will this become a series? I’d love to see this become a series even just season 1 please
It may. We will see if I can get past there copyright claim. Right now it’s a free for them since all ads are going to them. Working on a copy right dispute.
Season 2 and 3 of 'bad lads' is far better than season 1.
You will find all four series of this programme on TH-cam. Type in BadLadsArmyRocks
@@petyrbaelish1718 But the beastings and man-handling always seemed to be more in the first series than the others to me
I believe that having some level of compulsory service would be beneficial for a number of reasons.
1. Giving young people a taste of discipline, and exposure to different perspectives that exist in your own communities can help you in the long-term when it comes to critical thinking.
2. It gives people more time to really understand themselves, and what they want to accomplish in their lives. Instead of rushing off to college to study something that you may not want to do for the rest of your lives, you can take a couple of years to better yourself and experience working alongside people you may never have encountered otherwise.
3. You learn how to take care of yourselves and the people around in a more selfless, and beneficial way.
4. You learn how to work with people toward a common goal regardless of whether or not you like or even get along with someone.
5. It teaches you how to recognize your limits, and overcome them. This might be one of the most important lessons I took from my time in the Army. Recognizing the difference between mental limitations, and physical ones made me realize that mental blocks are the main reason people quit. Push through the pain, and exhaustion and you'll see how much stronger you actually are. Don't quit until the doctors tell you to, and then keep going anyway.
I do agree but some guys died in service in my country. Fat guy got a heart attack probably cause med fucked up when checking him.
The army also has the disadvantage to break the rythm of school ehich makes some unable to get back into studies.
I do hope i lear something from mandatory service if i have the physical condition to be taken in. Or i might flee my country if i cant to avoid having to be stuck having to clean the streets or help keeping protests peaceful.
Could properly test peoples minds and weed out the psychos too
Agree !
Compulsory service is outdated. If someone doesn’t want to be there, they’re not going to perform as well as someone who does.
Quality is not the only variable when it comes to war. You don't magically stop dying because you're well-trained, a well-placed grenade or mortar shell will take you out all the same.
Let's take my country Singapore (where I'm currently a national serviceman). We currently have around 72,000 conscripts and regulars in service with about 1 million reservists. Without these reservists, we would be outnumbered by our Indonesian neighbour more than 4:1 and 8000 less than Malaysia. And that's assuming that same 72,000 stays in service as a professional army which I can assure you it won't.
Nobody wants to go to war, but everyone wants to live. National service is, at its core, a deterrent.
Regan Donohue - Maybe in your Country.
@@josef596 always be prepare... No one know when enemy comes knocking your door
There was an old British sitcom from the 1980s set in 1950s national service. It was called “Get Some In”... worth checking out.
This show is from 2002 till 2006
Get Some In started in 1975. I know, that's the year I joined the RAF. It was funny to start with because I could relate to some of the situations but after series 2 it got boring.
It’s all on TH-cam
Man in the 50's they would have got beaten the hell up if they were laughing
@@jamesmccann3228 the comfort zone still includes an elbow to the stomach, and a right hook to the back of the head
@@kevinmorrice Been there, done that.
Gotta love how interactive Jamesons is with his audience, keep it up man, great content!
"I need something to do other than sleep" woah buddy
Love Lad's Army!!! Did my basic training 29 years ago in the South African Army, almost identical to this, exept we had modern day uniforms. Our rank structure and modus operandi is very closely related to that of the british army. We called that exercise "riding a motorcycle" or something, and it was mostly guys with "light duty"(medical restrictions) who were punished this way. Corporal (Sergeant major) Noyakis and Corporal (Sergeant major) Murry are great guys and it would have been an honor to serve with either of them!
Made me into a man. When I started to climb the ranks I did the same thing, turn boys into men. They hated me, but they got with the program. I feel National Service could be beneficial to some little "wannabe" hard men that committed a crime. This way they could pay their debt back with honor. Depending on the degree of the offense .
@@knobhead5756 Thank you, was my honor.
That's what they used to do back in the day. If a person was in trouble for petty crime, the judge would offer them two options: jail or the military.
Respect for this comment.
I’m surprised these “drill sergeant”are actual veterans from the Cold War era
Iraq Afghan Falklands northen island
This was made pre the sjw anti male era and i think its like the SAS one, its a condensed version of the full training.
Google says the last episode aired 2002.
They should re do it now a days
You know this isn't America right britts can handle a good hazing sadly sjws are killing us Americans
Mandatory military service might be good for individuals. It would be a disaster for the Republic and the Army.
@@ftdefiance1 not really, the individuals don't want to be there, so they piss around.
Plus the military hate them being there, because they don't want to waste their time.
There's a great punishment at the end of the show where the giggling guy has to paint a bin of coal white, every piece, and he's instructed to place them all in a line across the yard while the rest of the platoon is out on PT, the private spells out "Waterloo section" with the painted coal, the Sergeant who instructed him explains that because the private hadn't followed the instruction the rest of the platoon has to paint an entire coal shed white, every single piece of coal, and line every building with the painted coal.
Its like the old army expression "if it moves salute it, if it doesn't paint it white"
Coach called em wall sits, made us do em as punishment. And now my kids' most feared phrase is 'Go sit on the wall'. It's a great way to build character and leg muscles at the same time.
If you liked the corporals you will love Sergeant Ray, he's hilarious
And also the provo sergeant Weston...
National Service / Conscription, hmmm tough one. On the one hand yes, it may instill some discipline and values into SOME people, on the other hand though, when you're dealing with conscription, you're always going to have these people who don't want to be there, and are they then going to cause more harm than good to whatever branch of the military they end up in?
I would agree though that something needs to be done to break this thinking that it's somehow "wrong" to be a masculine man.
I imagine it would be it’s own branch. It would (if the mod had any sense). It would probably be similar to the TA but deploy very last and they’d probably end up doing humanitarian aid and all that bollocks. I doubt (unless it was a world war) that they’d be infantry or full time. I’m personally all for it but the problem now is that the standards are far higher and the people are far u healthier. Everyone’s a fat lump and it’s piss easy to get diagnosed with depression or anxiety these days so it would be very, very to avoid going in.
The Mad Tatter I think a good start would be reinstating the CCF in all schools. A few days a week in school as military cadets for 5 years would do a world of good without all the controversy of introducing conscription. They had it in my school from yr9 to upper sixth and it was great; doing parade, life skills, I was in the navy section so we did stuff like learning to sail, got our powerboat quals, visited bases, went on residentials, remembrance day presentations, overall just something that forces having an organised structure about yourself. Might not be as intense an experience as the real deal but kids minds are more malleable than an adults so it would likely have more of an impact over a larger group if not a more absolute impact over a smaller group.
Failing that I suppose you could always do mandatory service as a reservists instead so it wont affect the actual quality of the front end military
I’m not sure that it’s ‘wrong to be masculine’, it’s more don’t be a ‘fuckwit’!
I don't know, I bet there's no pissing about in the south Korean army from the lads who don't want to there
I love this discussion because it reminds me that I and other nco's were having this same discussion nearly 40 years ago. The general opinion was not to bring it in because it would drag down the military. We preferred people that wanted to be there, to put the effort and sacrifice in as opposed to the Mon-Fri, 8-5 crowd who would bitch if a bit of extra work or inconvenience was required.
I also recall reading a letter in an old newspaper calling for military training for the youth of the day due to their lackadaisical attitude. I checked the date of publication of the paper. It was a happened to be published in 1939, a few months prior to the commencement of the Second World War. Still the same old argument between the generations. 😔
On the "trained to kill" comment. Isn't that one of the creeds of the USMC? Every Marine a rifleman first.
I remember a scene from a WWII movie where the Germans had broken through the lines unexpectedly, and the Americans were being overrun. A sergeant runs into a kitchen where a bunch of cooks are preparing food, and tells them to drop what they're doing, grab their rifles and helmets, and follow him.
It seems to me that situation could happen in any combat area at anytime.
It is. Good catch.
My grandfather belonged to the East Anglian Regiment, Royal Army Medical Corps, he was a nurse and served and trained during the early 50's, went to places such as Egypt during the Suez incident, Korea etc and trust he was still trained with to use the Lee-Enfield No. 4 and carried his Webley sidearm and if needed he would be required to join in defence if the situation arose.
There was a lad I admired. He was a gentle sort who did needlecraft yet joined up for this to toughen up. The Scottish sergeant pointed out how far out of his comfort zone this lad had gone. That takes balls.
Adam Spires, he was very nearly booted out.
Murray was a legend. There was a scene where he was beasting three of them and he said he’d keep going until he broke one of them. Eventually one broke and all he did was praise them.
Him breaking didn’t mean he was weak. It showed that he kept going until he physically could do no more and completely broke down. That’s very different from just giving up. They had so much respect for the lads that tried and gave it their all.
National Service wouldn't be a bad idea for kids today - they'd learn respect and be a damned sight better behaved afterwards.
Are you really sure you want to go down That road? THINK Real Hard.
@@stevenwiederholt7000 Oh, I have...
Steven Wiederholt yes
Wrong you are making too many assumptions. Putting people in the army who do not want to serve is wasting resources, it is also bad for the economy. Furthermore, it diverts resources from within the army, it goes from a highly professional force to a conscript one overnight. It is also very very expensive
I'd rather fight with some kid who can't hold a gun, rather than some poor idiot who has no loyalty to the force and will desert at the first opportunity. Conscription into the army significantly reduces professionalism, and fill the ranks with disloyal soldiers.
The word you were having difficulty with is "Poofter" or "Poofta" which is very mild compared with the wide range of descriptions that were used when I did my "Square Bashing" (Basic Training) in the R.A.F. in October 1954. From the very moment we arrived at R.A.F. Padgate it was one hell of an experience in Verbal Abuse deliberately designed to make you laugh/giggle which was the signal to really go to town with the next stage of Verbal tirades very often orientated to wards your Parentage or lack of.
The whole idea was to decondition you of your soft life, then build you up to respect team work and Discipline which could likely save your life.
We were upon arrival was to March to our accommodation which were WW2 wooden huts, during this it was pissing down with rain. We were allocated to two huts and told to dump our Kit on a Pit(Bed) and be back on parade in two minutes wearing our dual purpose ground sheet as a Poncho.... But when we opened to hut door the interior was a right shit hole.... The entry who had passed out that morning, despite being told NOT to trash the floor etc did exactly that and threw ashes on the highly wax polished Lino floor and then skated up and down in their hob nailed boots.
Then marched to the Bedding store to be issued with bedding, on the way back during the rain many dropped their bedding in the puddles..... No compassion was offered because your were a clumsy bastard.
On returning to our huts the D.I's (Drill instructors) took great pleasure in telling us that the Floor had to be Wax Polished , Our Kit had to be ironed ready for inspection together with our Brasses polished, Boots Toe Caps and rear heal panels rubbed free from the leather Orange Peal pimples and shiney so you could see you face in them, and lastly Kit laid out correctly on the bed for inspection at 08-00hrs next morning So stop whinging and put you energy into being ready in the morning or else WW3 would be enacted.
Next Morning spot on 08-00hrs the door burst open and the D.I's went through like a dose of salts tipping every bed over.... and that was only the start of 8 weeks of wall to wall discipline
that was certainly consistent .... But when we passed out the transformation in us was remarkable and I had great pleasure in passing out not as a 18 year old but as a man.
Very fortunate for the experience . Per ardua ad Astra.
YES I do believe in conscription( National Service) firstly because it gives you Pride in yourself and the values of your Country and those who gave the Ultimate Sacrifice. Lest we Forget.
I truly believe national service would be a great idea to bring back especially in the UK!
I hear you brother, this country is sorely missing respect and responsibility nowadays
Awful idea, in my case would have just delayed my life by 2 years and given me nothing.
@@sirdetmist3204 Nah it's a great idea IMO.
"Trained that way culturally", you nailed it, 3 1/2 minutes in.
I agree.
"Especially problematic for one recruit" then switches to that video. I'm still laughing ten minutes later🤣🤣🤣
Holding our M-16's straight out in front of us for several minutes. After a couple of minutes the thing feels like it weighs 50 pounds and there was ALWAYS someone starting to droop, arms shaking, so the drills would extend the time until everyone was straight again.
I remembering being in front of the Armory holding getting some love. Holding just like that. I thought damn this thing is getting heavy quick. Many more days of that to come.
@@JamesonsTravels Oh yea, one of my drills called it 'the Motivator'. After I got out, my Dad and I fell asleep watching some show on BUD's training. (Alcohol was involved of course.) Next thing I know my Dad is waking me up asking what I was doing-I was running in place, arms straight out with the trainees on the television.
National service was for 18 months, my Dad just missed it, my father in law was in Hong Kong for his, because he was good at sport he had a great time. He was good looking, so he was made to serve drinks at all the officers parties, he said all the wives of the officers and other women at the parties would put their phone number in your pocket!
Lucky git
@@tiernanwearen8096 Get caught then you would be totally fucked in more ways than one .
We had to do Roman chairs for an hour in the military Highschool I went to
Sounds like child abuse to me.
Grizzly Gamer sounds like disciplined and well behaved young adults.
In the danish army, we did the "Roman chair" every morning at the parade ground, but no wall to lean on.
Danish Strong.
Viking Strong.
im literally 174 cm tall and 80-ish kg of weight but i could do roman chair for more than 5 minutes
the best is where you do it with your comrade, back on back, till ya can't stand up afterwards.
p.s.:nothing wrong with having a teddy...;-)
Yeahhhh thats physical impossible to do the same thing without a wall what you did is call "squatting" lol not nearly as hard as a proper wall squat (roman chair).
@@Bob_Lablaw but this every day is still more fucked than some milita parcores;-)
My Sargeant Major was a walking dictionary of the informative insults.
He could just stare into your soul and insult you in such a debased manner that would flay the courage to stand there and be tougher then his words like a flametrower melts flesh, but he could do it with such a humerous punchline that would have you rolling on the floor for a lack of oxygen from laughing.
And then you'd all get beasted.
We did this "Roman Chair" exercise in basic training with another one in your group doing dips on your knees for 1-2 minutes. Solid shaking indeed
Lol, the youth today would feel they'd been brutalised.
Craig Gunn your thinking of millennials we Gen z are made of tougher stuff
Probably you soft yanks or brits...
@@kennyiscool3722 In my personal experience gen Z can't even work basic jobs without having a mental crisis but all generations have fickle and useless individuals
One of the basics of military training is brutality.
Adam well I mean I’m a 2002 gen z and I work 2 12 hours shifts doing security petrols on Saturday and Sunday and last time I visited Uganda (My parents’ country of origin) I worked with for my uncle loading trucks with beer crates for 5 hours a day for 4 days a week. My opinion might just be different because I was raised on the council estates of London (the equivalent on American housing projects) so at least the gen z people I associate with are made of tougher stuff.
The maturity of men compared to "then" and "now" is comparable to a T (according to my grandmother anyway). I matured while I was in, but halfway through it that maturity regressed. Getting out it's been a real left and right. But the truth is that, like you said, camera's have shown more and more of that immaturity.
I wish we had a program like this here in America, ill trouble youth need this out here
there is at Fort McCoy
I met and chatted with corporal Nauyokas yesterday at the Temple at War show in Essex.. The man was just the same, it was a real pleasure to meet him. 👍🏼
From South Africa, did my compulsory national service in 1989 (towards end of Angolan War). We used to get punished by the instructors in Basics (SA version of Bootcamp) holding our rifles by the front-tip, arms fully extended in front of us. About 20 seconds in you start to feel the pain, arms start to drop, instructor jumps on you, right in your face screaming at you to lift your arms, with more expletives mixed in than words.
No we had a Staff Sergeant that could hold his R1 (FN for US viewers) rifle by the tip, with a Fire-bucket (basically a metal bucket painted red), filled with water for 2 minutes. What a mountain of a man he was. Enormous chest and shoulders with skinny legs - not body builder type, just naturally big boned and extremely strong.
The "Roman Chairs" reference made me think back to the rifle punishment we had in training.
Anyway, great channel, please keep doing it.
We still have a draft in Norway, one of the best years I've ever had.
@"Jamesons Travels" The officer, Captain Owen, was still serving as a Captain during production (and for some time after), he was my CO in real life.
National service lasted two years in the early 50's.
Training was longer than four weeks, but this is a TV show with a budget. A month will not make a trained infantryman, but it's enough to get these guys working like a team and for the TB people to get the footage they need.
My mom called roman chairs "wall sits". I can attest to them being rough as hell
National Service should be brought back, it would teach the yobs some respect.
I also think that National Service should be a requisite for civil service and anyone who wants to become a government leader or minister.
Enough Eton toffee-nosed bollocks. Get someone who knows what it's like to be out in the thick of it. They'll appreciate the hard work needed to run a country, unlike the current administration.
Yh, a good way to kill off the Tories!
I watched this show with my father many years ago. Good memories.
I almost cryed laugh at that kid with his Teddy aha
Even in the mid 80's the British Army hadn't changed that much. 😂
I had the time of my life...
Nauyokas is an all round badass, Murray is a real hard bastard but he has a heart of gold, he has a couple lads confide in him through the series and is great to see, he's like a father figure
When a country has not been directly attacked for 70+ years, economy and living standards continually going up.... that's what causes this snowflake/safe space rubbish. Societies get too comfortable and worry about idiotic things.
So in your opinion there should be wars all the time and not normal life? Did you drop on your head when you born?
Are you fucking dense? That's literally called improving civilization. Once people get over killing each other, they start to focus on more important societal and social advancements. But I guess you just want a world where we're all cavemen living in tribes and beating each other with rocks and sticks forever, huh
@@account-pending-deletion yeah he is
I joined in the 80's at 16. Lived in billets like that and had a Troop Staff like them. A total of 2 years being beasted daily until I could go into the Regulars. That video takes me back there.
The Teddy Bear Situation.. classic!
We called it "The Position" at the Para Depot. As far as I know my platoon had the record at 55 minutes, that hurt, a lot of stuff hurt, character building, cups of water on the backs of hands as well.
15:25.
Where’s the speeding cars when you need one 😂
I found standing on parade for hours the most deceptively difficult thing. Its tough to stand still for long periods especially in a blues uniform where you get warm as fuck and your knees begin to hurt and tbh youre just praying you'll be asked to move soon so your knees dont seize up 😂😂
Depends on the conscription armys "quality". I'm a Finnish Army Medic (reserve) and I recall the key things they tought us back in '07: Shit always pours downwords so if you have someone around you who you can abuse with your higher status over them then force them to do your shit. "Materiaali vastuu!" anyone in Finnish Army knows this by hard for the rest of their lives "Material (equipment and gear essdentially) ressponsibility!". Everyone are responsible for their own "shit". Now the key note on this: So if you find any unsupervised "materiaali" (unlocked locker as the jackpot) then by all means make that idiot suffer who left it open.
So: Avoid work and responsibility, abuse others, be a total cleptomaniac with a absolutely pure conscience...
Not exactly the norms I lived by then, live today or will live in the future...
On top of all this, the most important military tactics we were told to remember and obey if shit hits the fan:
OUR SOLE TRUE ENEMY: EASTERN NEIGHBOUR. WHAT TO DO: DIG A FOXHOLE ON WESTERN SIDE OF THE RIDGE AND WAIT WITH RIFLE AIMED TO THE EAST FOR HIM TO WALK UP TO YOU.
As if russians would be interested in repeating WW2 tactics again and down to the letter...
So out dated...
Conclusion:
Demand and quality must meet in order to generate something useful.
I agree.
I like the Bad lads army series they're very good .
22 years ago when I was in bootcamp I was a little sloppy with my weight, not a full out mushbag, but a little flab. I think the offset comments did help me fight more to prove I had what it took and make myself get in the proper shape.
@Jamesons Travels
in answer to your question regarding national service training length, it was not origionaly 4 weeks, it was 6 weeks
training. After attending a medical and joining up, all conscripts had six weeks of basic training during which they got used to military life. They initially served for 18 months.National Service was a standardised form of peacetime conscription. All able-bodied men between the ages of 18 and 30 were called up.
Reactions to Jihad Jake maybe? Also love the amount of videos you are making!
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Jamesons Travels I don’t know if you meant that you know which one I’m talking about or not but if not- It’s Australian on 60 minutes channel
Other countries have at least a 2 year military service right out of high school. Many do not know what they want to do with their lives: work, college, etc. It gives them some more time to decide and it's good for the country. Some stay in, some leave with perhaps a good skill to use on the outside. It's a win/win deal.
The way I understand it is that we "Baby Boomers" were a more mature, serious, conscientious group of people compared to say the "Generation X" group of today. They seem to want things to happen fast, not willing to work for it, the world owes them a living, perhaps more pampered? Of course, these are generalizations, but perhaps true?
Francis Flood you’re right-to an extent, but a lot of us aren’t that
tell me which?
@@francisflood8921 There´re pointing three fingers at you
I guess I was lucky, considering my upbringing, that I was intelligent enough to teach myself discipline and turn out ok. Some idiots should be put into military while young just for that reason. Discipline.
Being from the U.K. I have fond memories of this show
That Roman Chairs exercise... We used to have Scandinavian students stay with us. Norwegians and Swedes mostly. Staying in our home as they learned English and got a taste for the country. It was good for both sides. My mum made a few quid and I got to meet people from all over Europe.
Anyway, we had some Scandinavian students who spent a lot of time at home skiing. During the summer, on holiday with us, they did their best to keep in shape for when they got back to the snow.
They'd sit like that against a wall, legs at 90°, and eat dinner or watch TV. They'd manage it for 30-45 minutes at a time!
I tried it. It's agony very, very quickly! But, I'm told, it works on exactly the same muscles as holding a tuck for aerodynamics in downhill skiing.
I've never watched skiing the same since trying that exercise! Watching them at 70 mph in that crouching tuck with thighs working like shock absorbers!
Try it, it burns like hell after a few minutes.