Retributive vs. Restorative Narratives - Michael Camp

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  • Michael Camp, author of "Breaking Bad Faith," describes the power in acting in restorative instead of retributive ways.
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  • @MichaelGerard365
    @MichaelGerard365 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Richard Rohr emphasizes the difference between restorative and retributive justice. He wrote about it in his book: The Universal Christ.

  • @jcismyall
    @jcismyall 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It seems when Jesus told the parables in Matthew 21 & 22 ( tenants & wedding banquet), He was speaking of retributive action FROM the Father, but when one considers to WHOM He was speaking which was an audience steeped in Law based thinking, then one understands He was speaking to them (religious leaders) in THEIR terms. He spoke the most harshest or hyperbolic to those whose hearts were so hardened. Soon after we see Jesus weep over Jerusalem, longing to draw them close. He saw their callousness yet still loved them profusely.

  • @linjicakonikon7666
    @linjicakonikon7666 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    A dentist office or a surgery room looks very much like a torture chamber to a child. If the child's father is the dentist or doctor he might be intimidated by the sharp or scary instruments but he won't be afraid of his father, if his father has shown kindness in everything else.

  • @thai2500
    @thai2500 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Love this. Thanks. Jesus is all about RESTORATION!! 🙂

  • @tsundru
    @tsundru 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Your work is so important! Thank you!❤

  • @theologywanderer
    @theologywanderer 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I say this with all respect, love, and Christian brotherhood. I am not trying to be a troll, and I myself think Universal reconciliation is more likely than not, but the radical division between the retributive and restorative narratives seems dangerously close to Marcionism.

    • @thatwhichhasbeen-isthatwhi6575
      @thatwhichhasbeen-isthatwhi6575 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      As a convinced universalist, I agree with your sentiments. I think it's more of an honest approach to try and harmonise the retributive and restorative nature of God.
      Peace

    • @michaelcamp2134
      @michaelcamp2134 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      David, Marcion believed the OT God was a false god and only Jesus' Father was the true God. Universalists don't believe that. There are two voices in the OT. One the false retributive god and one the true restorative God. For example, the story of Joseph and his brothers in Genesis is obviously the restorative God and like the Father that Jesus taught. Same with a few other stories in the OT and some of the prophets. Marcion rejected every God narrative in the OT. This view of the two voices or the two-faced God doesn't reject all God narratives. Only the retributive ones because they don't line up with Jesus' love ethic.

    • @csgabriella5658
      @csgabriella5658 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@thatwhichhasbeen-isthatwhi6575This is Calvinism that I was raised ín. No thank you 💚

  • @user-my5ze3dm2s
    @user-my5ze3dm2s 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Jews and Muslims need to convert to following Jesus…

  • @gilgamesh2832
    @gilgamesh2832 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Modern Marcionites.

    • @csgabriella5658
      @csgabriella5658 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Stigmatizing. 🌊

    • @alwaysadawg6488
      @alwaysadawg6488 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Here's the thing. In the original Greek NT text, Jesus describes afterlife punishment as "aionion kolasin", or "age-lasting correction". This word "kolasin" means correction or chastisement with an eye to restore the offender. There is certainly a possibility that this punishment may still have retributive purposes but the focus is more on restoration. If it was on retribution, Jesus would have used the word "timorion" (which means vengeance or retribution) rather than "kolasin".