Top Seven Fateful New Testament Texts: "Jewish Bloodguilt" (1)
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- In this new series I have gathered together a list of fateful New Testament passages that have been both understood and misunderstood over subsequent ages in ways that reinforce and foster incalculable harm to our lives. I did not try to order these into any kind of priority and I think that would be a difficult thing to determine. These "affirmations" have so direly affected so many billions of people over the past two thousand years I would not want to even attempt to put one above the other in terms of fateful impact. Keep in mind that this series is not about what any of these passages in fact mean, but rather how they have been understood and applied to our personal, social, civil, and spiritual lives with great harmful consequence and effect. The simple phrase--"The Bible tells me so" has justified and covered a multitude of sins!
The book I mentioned with my high recommendation is: David Nirenberg, Anti-Judaism: A Western History: amzn.to/3VMC9aI
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Please, since this post touches terms such as Jews, Judaism, Holocaust, Christ-Killers, Antisemitism/Hatred of Jews, etc. I am asking you all PLEASE do not post any nasty commends that are defamatory about Israel, the War, Jews, or the Jewish people--no matter what your views. That is not the topic of this video. Sadly, too many comment on TH-cam on videos that they have not even seen, or miss the point of a given video. This series on Fateful passages in the Bible--in this case the New Testament--is a historical analysis of how texts have been used for various purposes--but in fateful harmful ways. It is not claiming anything about the historical or valid exegesis of a given passage. Thanks, I do appreciate your honoring of this request.
I simply post to agree with you that the death of thousands and thousands of people is a terrible atrocity. When that happens at any point in history, people of influence should speak out against it.
How little people change over the millenia.
As a Jew I thank you..
So important you expose this.
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@@MitzvosGolem1 it's hardly a secret.
@@integrationalpolytheism Many nice people are unaware.
@@MitzvosGolem1 there are many historical atrocities that fit that description, yes.
I'm not disagreeing with you, of course, but the historical mistreatment of Jews has seemed to receive very broad coverage for my whole lifetime, and I'm in my forty seventh year.
I have followed you for a year or so.
Please accept my deepest gratitude.
Wow,... I never seen Michelangelo's "Horned Moses" before.
Excellent discussion
Paul in Thessalonians isn't referring to Jews as an ethnicity, but as residents of Judea. People who lived in Judea were called Jews. I say this because he is comparing them to "your own countrymen".
I agree. Paul seems to be quite specific, at least in that passage. But Tabor misunderstands and is perpetuating that understanding.
"Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he [the Emperor Claudius] expelled them from Rome." - Suetonius
I think the Christians(who were Jews) were proselytizing (preaching to the Gentile Romans) and the non Christian Jews didn't like it and caused a commotion with the Christians (who were Jews), so Claudius expelled all of them.
Belief is the most powerful force in the world. Wrong beliefs are the most destructive. Good beliefs the most creative.
I follow what's good in the Bible, what I see as evil in light of the light I have, I reject and imagine it was put there by those who intend to twist the scriptures to their own advantage.
I have been a Christian for over 50 years, my greatest growth is in also letting Judas betray Jesus and then hang himself. Jesus didn't stop Judas from his evil, he wanted him to get on with it so Jesus could get on with his task.
Letting people suffer the consequences of their beliefs is a righteous act.
Helping them when they repent and ask for help is also a righteous act.
This is Christianity.
If jesus lived at all he was a first century jew that tried to start a movement back to Torah observance and failed and the Romans hung him on a cross along with thousands of others God is the only Savior besides Him there is no other isaiah 43:10&11, if you are Jewish you should already know what to do if you are not Jewish then you keep the Laws of Noah it's that simple
Talmud bears a record about it.
Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 43a:
"On the eve of the Passover Yeshu [Jesus] was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, 'He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Anyone who can say anything in his favor, let him come forward and plead on his behalf.' But since nothing was brought forward in his favor, he was hanged on the eve of the Passover!"
Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 107b:
"[On the eve of Passover] they hung Yeshu the Notzri. And the herald went out, for forty days beforehand, declaring that '[Yeshu] is going to be stoned for practicing sorcery, inciting and leading Israel astray. Anyone who knows something to clear him should come forward and exonerate him.' But no one had anything exonerating for him, and they hanged him on the eve of Passover."
Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 103a:
"The Master said: Jesus the Nazarene practiced magic and deceived and led Israel astray."
Dr. Tabor, could you PLEASE do a teaching on how the Greek word "ekklesia" has been MISTRANSLATED as "church"? The Greek word for "church" is Kuriakos/Kurikon a word that is NOT found in ANY Greek NT manuscript referring to Yeshua's talmadim/disciples. The Septuagint/LXX translates the Hebrew word "qahal" as "ekklesia" approximately 100x and yet all English translations NEVER mistranslate ekklesia in the OT as "church". This error is partially responsible for the false dichotomy that often looks like this:
OT/Jews/Israel/Law/Bad
VS
NT/Gentiles/"Church"/Grace/Good
If people, especially Christians, could see how their text has been corrupted by a theological (anti-Semitic?) bias that has created another "chosen people" of God falsely called "The Church", then perhaps they could comprehend the significance of what it really means to be grafted into (Rom.9-11) the "Israel of God"(Gal.6:16).
Thankyou Dr. Tabor.
I agree with your attention to the difference in Matthew and the other gospels re. the "crucify Him by all the people."
In Thessalonians however Paul could have been referring to the Jewish leadership who were complicit in the murder of The LORD JESUS CHRIST.
In John 8:44 The LORD JESUS is speaking to ONE Jew. He is not addressing all Jewish people. The LORD JESUS only preached in Israel and all HIS early followers were Jews so this passage cannot be interpreted to mean ALL Jews.
Something also to be remembered if a person has the MIND OF CHRIST being BORN AGAIN of HIS Spirit where HE DWELLS in them, is that in the spiritual realm HUMAN chronological time is not dominant. It is ALWAYS PRESENT TENSE. This is why we are told about The LORD GOD being the First and the Last, the Alpha and The Omega, The Beginning and the End all at the SAME time.
"the Jews" in 1Thess 2:14-16 seems to be a rather wide net for Paul's angst. Typically Paul was upset with the Jerusalem church for opposing his "lawless" version of the Gospel (cf. Gal 2:11-16, Mark 7:1-5). And nowhere else does Paul refer to the Jews killing Jesus, but only that Jesus was delivered up (Rom 8:32) and crucified. And crucifixion at that time was a Roman penalty for insurrection against Roman law (not insurrection against Jewish Law). In Rom 11:26 Paul had hopes that all Israel would be saved. So this is not very consistent, and is the reason for thinking 1Thess 2:14-16 is another one of these later blood guilt aspersions (libels) against "the Jews". Of course Paul was quite capable of saying hard things, but Paul usually reserved his harshest polemics for James and those come from James. These blood guilt aspersions against "the Jews/Judas" arose after the death of Paul as a parable for the Zealot Jerusalem church (the Way) rejecting Paul and trying to kill him for teaching against the Law (Acts 21,22,23). The destruction of Jerusalem, the Temple, and the Jerusalem church (wicked husbandmen) were seen by Paul's Gentile churches to be the wrath of God for rejecting Paul and Paul's pacifist tax paying Jesus Christ. Of course this was only a visionary Jesus Christ that Paul saw, but this Jesus was real enough to Paul's Gentile churches. Also, Paul's Jesus Christ helped them avoid trouble with Rome -- His kingdom was not of this world, and believers, sleeping and living, would be raptured (and transformed) and be with the Lord forever. And so they comforted one another with these words. Unsurprisingly then, John 8:44 is referring to those Jews who had believed on Paul's Jesus (John 8:31) but did not continue in Paul's word, but separated themselves like "hypocritical Pharisees" when "teachers/scribes of the Law" came from James to Antioch. These "teachers of the Law" sent by James were "of their Father the Devil" and plucked up (uprooted) the seed that Paul sowed in Antioch and elsewhere in Asia. And the Jews who had believed in Paul's teaching (like Peter) were plants on stony ground which had no root and withered and yielded no fruit when persecution came from James. But Paul's Gentile believers yielded fruit a hundredfold. It is important to understand the parables, especially about planting and uprooting (cf. also Matt 15:13-17). Dr. Robert Eisenman has pointed out much of this. So this brings us back to 1Thess 2:14-16. It does not make sense that Paul would express such glee that wrath had come upon the Jews to the uttermost when Paul's whole mission was to save all nations from the wrath to come, and Paul's heartfelt desire was that his own nation also would be saved. But if 1Thess 2:14-16 is an interpolation after the death of Paul and the fall of Jerusalem by one of Paul's Gentile churches, then the paradox is resolved. 1Thess 2:14-16 is similar to Mark 13's post eventum wrath on Jerusalem and the wicked husbandmen of the Jerusalem church, the fig tree and vineyard that yielded no fruit to Paul's Jesus. It was uprooted and cast into the fire (Matt 3:10, Matt 7:19).
I have to suggest that this problem is a logical extension of the Old Testament which clearly does Bloodguilt time and time again.
Hi Dr. Tabor! Which synopsis of the gospels are you using in this video? I like that it references other related texts outside of the NT canon.
Gospels say that Pilates was troubled by request of Jewish authorities. Its so much dedicated to it saying that Pilates washed his hands publicly from his blood[1] .
Something I also found in Jewish tradition saying how with Jesus was different (then other troublemakers) as he was close to Roman authorities. What was meant by that who knows.
My assumption why reluctance, was rather simple. Pilates and Romans of higher class where educated man. I deducted from conversation of Jesus and Pilates that Jesus reminded him[2] of saying of poets like Hesiod.
Works and Days (lines 225-230): "Now kings, you yourselves must listen to justice, you who give decisions to straight-speaking men. For close at hand is one who observes these things, the son of Cronus, Zeus, who holds the wide earth, and watches all these things, and sees what is right and what is wrong among mortals."
Today very little is known by public about Roman religion and its role in state formation and function to really expect from anyone to know Roman like Greek worshiped Jupiter as head of panteon and you can find pre-Christ Roman records saying that Jews worship Jove and are Jovian sect. Which really dispells much of confusion of Jewish-Roman relations at times and prior[3] and after. There whole helenistic period where Judaism was merged with helene religion which proves many things.
Enjoying the most recent mini-series as always, but left wondering how fateful NT texts stack up against the forged Gospels that contain them? Does misleading people with lies do great harm, and would focusing on finding the truth instead of creating confusion help mitigate that harm? The Gospels of Matthew and Luke are essentially rewrites of Mark and couldn’t possibly be authentic accounts of what happened regardless of what the Church claims, or whether Mark itself is an authentic account. And while the selected text from John has nothing to do with “blood guilting” the Jewish people, the letter from Paul offers an interesting contrast to the Matthew revision in question.
To put things in context though we should remember that aside from their Roman overlords, the Apostles, Jesus, and his accusers were Jewish. It is also worth noting that unlike Paul, the author of Matthew was most likely not living during Jesus’ time, and was probably not of Jewish decent either.
As a Jew living in the time of Jesus, Paul’s letter describes the then current day persecution of both Jew and Gentile alike for following Jesus, while Matthew’s post event revision is purpose built to deliver a Jewish confession for said persecution. It is a subtle, but important difference and is precisely what we might expect from a devout Christian follower intent on rewriting an earlier text so that it emphasizes certain elements to instil and strengthen belief in it.
Paul’s letter claims the leaders of the Temple had Jesus killed, drove his followers out, and tried stopping them from spreading his message to the Gentile masses. And while it would be difficult to prove the veracity of Paul’s claims concerning his conversion, it would be a challenge to say the least for anyone to prove Paul’s letter is not being truthful about being persecuted, and yet we accept almost without question a text whose forgery is so obvious it can be seen as plain as daylight. Is it because the Church decided it? A Church that at times throughout its history was even more corrupt than the Jewish order that rejected Jesus!
Mark 13:5 warns “watch out that no one deceives you”. But it is the revision of Mark 13:6 that gives away another forgery in Matthew. Matthew interprets “I am he” as meaning “I am the Christ”, when the true meaning of the text is referring to those Jesus gave authority to. The author of Matthew has presented himself in Jesus’ name, claiming he speaks with authority as one of the Apostles, and he has lead many astray with this deception. The obvious harm from this continues even today where in a 2024 documentary on the subject the Gospels of Matthew and Luke provide grounds to question whether Jesus even existed.
There is no real harm in reading the devotional Gospels of Matthew and Luke as long as the reader understands they are not authentic, and as long as the lack of authenticity does not cause them to question their faith. As a devout believer in the Jesus story, I might imagine if Jesus was asked what we should do with the Gospels of Matthew and Luke he would reply, “Give back to the Church what is the Church’s and to God what is God’s.” If I were writing this 1800 years ago, I might even claim Jesus said this, but I think its safe to say we all know he didn’t.
Man wants others to have faith in the dying and rising of the sun but he had no faith until Jesus actually came to him . Now preaching to Jews and the world about just believe. I know your having a hard time believing in his creator generation to generation but skip pass that problem and believe in his son etc smh what ?! Lol I mean what ?
I dismissed Christianity as being God's word as a teen because of this type of hatred.
Your insights reading suggestions are very helpful and informative.
Can you link the information to Pilate's judgement seat?
Respectfully Sir .
Very fine research .
I agree completely that such atrocities are terrible.
People should stand up and speak out against them when they happen, while they can still have some effect.
Unfortunately, the overwhelming trend is to prohibit and to silence any discussion of these life or death issues, until they have become ancient history.
I never understood why there should be guilt on either Romans or Jews, when it was always part of God's plan to sacrifice himself!
It was certainly God's plan to sacrifice himself for His elect people (both J-ws & Gentiles). But He still holds those accountable for their part in His death. Think about Judas Iscariot for instance. Also, what happened in 70 AD to Israel. It was God's judgment on the first century J-ws for what they did to Jesus. The question is whether the blood guiltiness extends to ever successive generation of J-ws. It is my opinion that it does, as history has born out.
Thank You; Jesus was Jewish
The drama with Caligula in Judea was portrayed in that television series "A.D.", I believe.
I want to first say thank you for producing this video small lecture, I have seen all of these quotes from the xstian’s scriptures being used against my friends and myself on “antisocial” medias although I’m not Jewish yet sadly but I’m currently a converting student.
Thank you so much for opening this issue up, it needs more exposure. I became an "Independent Contractor" when I learned about the role of organized Christianity in the Holocaust. Who will claim/carry the blood guilt of the Holocaust? "Love your enemy" is a two way street.
You know the curses from the 3000 year old Covenant. Who does the will of the Father is not like those who reject His council - which is observed by anyone who knows what He said.
Many forget that the dying Jesus asked for those intent on killing him be forgiven.
I believe he had a certain group from among them to be forgiven, namely, the elect remnant. It was those who we see turning to Christ in faith in the book of Acts, such as at Pentecost. But then we get to Acts 18:6 and this is repeated in Acts 28:28. Context of these two verses shows who was being spoken of - it was the J-ws as a whole. Then Paul speak of the elect remnant in Romans 9:27 & 11:5, 7 & 28.
In the Quran ,
Some are good ,Some are stubborn & some are just Evil (Prophet- killers) that persecuted & killed righteous people because they hated the truth .
Oh my gosh! My mom used to say our horns were coming out and laugh. Her mother hated Jews. Is that where that saying came from? How awful.
Thank you
Could someone please tell me where to get the original gospel of Marc?
Do you mean like the original Mark 16 where it ends at verse 8? You can find most of that, with footnotes, in the NRSVue. (NIV makes it clear too).
The real original of the complete gospel is gone but as far as I know the earliest complete version is the Septuagint and even earlier but not complete are the Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus.
When Jesus said you are of your father who was a murderer from the beginning he was directly relating them to Cain he knew the people in front of him were the lineage of Cain , whose father was the devil
Did Able have any children?
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Of course not, he was dead, Cain murdered Able
@@onejohn2.26. I meant before he was killed!
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The answer is the same no Able did not have children.
Pontus Pilot gave up his authority(Rome's) by letting the crowd decide Jesus's fate.
It’s a very big leap to assume the historical reality of this scene, especially when the four gospels don’t even agree with each other.
Don't think Pilate would have been bothered enough about crucifying a trouble maker to dramatically wash his hands of it . Also how likely is it really a crowd would shout that bizarre response of guilt on our children?
I don't think these are fateful but are realities as the christians believe them. You presume to be a specialist of the Bible but you don't understand the dogmatic narration in it. So sad.
You presume to know what?
Fateful: having far-reaching and often disastrous consequences or implications. I think this adjective is quite apt.
@@pds002 we will see, don’t worry buddy.
What is sad is telling people to not offend evil people who lie in the NAME of God.
Guilt cannot be changed from what God declared. It's blazingly more obvious today -for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. The prophecies of Jesus in Matthew came true - what do you make of that?
The Roman's had to depose Yahweh the real god