Should you Play HUGE Pots with One Pair?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- In the call the Hero flops top pair top kicker in a multiway scenario with AK. Surprisingly his opponent raises him on the flop bloating the pot size and leading to a difficult river decision.
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The first clue was when he talked about the villain limp calling a lot of pots. If that is the case then suited connectors and gappers should be in the range. Even 3, 6 because why not? Should you play huge pots with one pair hands? In multi way pots I would tread very lightly with one pair hands unless you have a very good read on your opponents hands. There are always better spots and if your goal is to make money those spots come often enough.
UTG was the villain like calling tons of hands. The thinking explained his PF raise sizing, then didn’t impact the rest of the hand.
Here is a life hack, fold on the flop and tell no one, ever.
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You are 100% correct I hope we play together sometime
Lmao👍I remember someone said that once “don’t even show/tell if you’re going to do that”
@@miafora7308 If you're playing against randoms and your only strategy is "I'll call and reevaluate on the turn" the most +EV is to fold on the flop.
have done it before cos field is not good.
In the game I regularly play in at a Texas card club, the good LAGs will often call a preflop $30 raise from a $5 straddle with speculative hands like the one that crushed the river in this case.
Thought this was Garrett on the call when it started haha
YES
Yes, and the other day I watched one that sounded like Johnny Vibes!
I have to constantly remind myself that a pair of aces is still a pair of aces.
Isn't the raise by villain called buying a river card? I learned that strategy in a low stakes limit hold em book.
Does that really make sense though? By raising the flop he put in an additional $140 compared to just calling. Had he just called, pot would be $260 going to the turn. Reasonable turn bet could be $140, which would make it a wash between the two strategies.
The benefit to raising the flop is you have some fold equity, but I wouldn’t characterize it as buying a river card.
@@blakefredrickson6506 I do see it having that effect. With the straight flush draw (12 outs in this case) you are already at 44%eq, and you are probably getting that free card if the turn doesn't help because AK is oop. You get to see turn and river and can easily make up that 6% in implied odds when you hit, fold when you don't.
I don’t know why you chase opponents out of a pot with that kind of draw. The hero bet $60 on the flop. If you smooth call you potentially have 2 additional callers which inflates the pot and your drawing for the nuts?? Am I off here ?
@@alexantonucci9919 I think it’s fine to raise with a low flush draw but with an ace hi flush draw I’d rather call
@@alexantonucci9919 with hero opening, then C-bet flop after check, check, if villain smooth calls he does potentially keep 1 or both players in. Turn comes Jd…what do you do with your draw now if hero bets or other players lead with only river to come? I like the 3bet flop then w check turn, bomb river…easy fold vs the read he had on the player and as hero originally thought, smaller river bet would’ve been a better choice. You’d have to believe villains 3bet flop check turn range was loaded with double draws. The only thing I’d like to know is did villain believe hero was strong than top pair/kicker? He was fortunate to get a call on the river imho. I don’t see how he could’ve been strong than 1 pair as played so I don’t see that massive over bet realizing value unless he had already shown that play prior.
When someone raises you on the flop and gives up on the turn that is a HUGE indication of a draw. Most value hands will continue barreling there's just no reason not to. MAYBE sets can try to get tricky but, remember, they are trying to get it all in. Checking a street changes the pot geometry making it much harder to go all in by the river. Unfortunately hero couldn't bet massive on the turn because he's out of position and had no info. Yet another example of the value of position.
One of my super poker secrets is I look for players that will over play a pair or get all there money in with a overpair .
Me too but I also look for players that will fold top pair and overpairs then let them do it over and over.
@@TheTree1 I'm really bad a big bet bluffing like the party poker commercial .
love your reaction to dylan's slow roll bro LOL- authentic as it gets!
I'm with Bart and think this comes down to how under bluffed this spot is, even in Texas. Caller bet/calls flop, then leads river after the turn checks through. It's obvious he has a TP+ kind of hand. Then you look at sizing and board texture, the opponent jams over pot for close to 400bb when all the obvious draws have bricked out. I just don't see this being a bluff in a 2/5 game almost ever, and think the opponent chose to jam because he thought it would look like a busted flush draw. Which I guess technically he had lol.
Yep!Im usually a big folder to river raises but on this one I was thinking he really only reps a tiny range and there are a lot of missed flush draws so call.
But once again we see that the river raise equals a big hand as almost always.
It’s a spot where we can forget hand construction and bluff to value ratio and almost just auto fold
@@Gos1234567 Yeah, it's a bit of struggle between theory and live exploits. On the theory side there are so few combos of value and the obvious main draw bricks out, but on the exploit side it's a massive river raise-shove that's almost never a bluff at these stakes. I've definitely talked myself into calling it off in similar situations before.
Usually a double-check raise is not a bluff line, but still it looks sooooo suspicious. I hate these spots. To me it felt like pocket 77s. Block-check raise on the flop with 2nd pair and some back doors if another straight card comes. And than he got there on the River.
It's one of those hands. As soon as you see it you go, "oh yea, that makes sense.'
And if the river 7 was spades, it would be enough to scare him off.
The villain should be glad he didn't hit the straight flush.
It makes sense but doesn’t at the same time because obviously CO shouldn’t be playing 86s.
When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
I got excited to when we thought he said A6S...great hand...thanks Bart!
Aren't we supposed to make up our mind what we will do on River shove over our River bet as part of deciding to bet River? I do this and never tank much, all I do in take a minute to try to find a reason to change my mind, then I 90% go with what I decided before I bet River
I probably, PROBABLY fold here unless I have a really strong read that the guy is very capable of a very daring bluff. I hope I’m smart enough to consider the strength of the jam over the larger River sizing by hero. At the end of the day, I’m pretty sure it’s really close, I’m not sure AK is in the top 33% of hands, and even though the turn line makes me think villain is extremely draw heavy, I’d rather risk being wrong slightly over folding here than punting. Tough spot though. Very tough spot though, it’s gotta be close.
@@skyeangelofdeath7363 I’m almost certainly leading the River. I’m probably leading for like $185, a thin value amount, a little more than a block. I’m eager to call off any raise up to a pot size bet from there, and if he jams big over the top (the $1900 total jam over $185 is almost a twice the pot bet at that point) I’m in the tank and probably make the same fold given I expect a lot of bluffs to not risk the full stack on the bluff. That pot size bet over my small river lead that might smell like a block or a weak top pair low kicker feels like the heaviest range of bluffs, the over pot jam over the large river bet feels like more value.
If I’m villain I fold PF, but if I do magically make it to the flop like this, I play the rest of the hand exactly as villain did a LOT of the time.
I watch every one of these and.... nobody ever wins... Which makes sense, people want Bart to tell them that even though they lost it was the right play.
people tend to discuss losing hands with Bart. Rarely someone would win a hand and call Bart for advice. There are players who genuinely want to learn.
Sometimes people call in with the wins. It’s usually less interesting and doesn’t make the youtube. Watch the live to hear them.
You must be new because there are a ton of winning hands usually brag hero calls tho
@@Gos1234567i dont think this guy here thinks before speaking. You had it right. Alot if hero calls
Such a good call, best video so far. Keep up the content bart
This is the classic "when they only rep exactly one hand, they usually have it" spot.
Exactly, hand reading is more important then just counting combos.
"u whippersnappers out there tryna pull that shit remember that" 😂
Villain owned hero's soul in this hand
The times I’ve bet/snap-folded strong one pair hands to a raise in live poker..
Either you’re dead on the flop or villain has just that hand. One with massive hidden equity against you.
I learn a lot from these videos but let’s mix in some wins.
Yep. 8s/6s and Ks/7s are the only 2 hands that make sense. Very unlikely bluff spot with naked missed spades.
How the hand played out left some chance that Villain WAS on a draw. The Flop re-raise followed by the Turn-check made absolutely no sense...UNLESS Villain is on a draw. Especially in Texas, you see a lot of super-aggression on draws, putting medium-strength "made" hands to the Test. That River offsuit 7 was just an unlucky card because it made Villain's "binking" the gut-shot straight so camouflaged.
@@EricA-xd9fn yep the turn check back screams of a flush draw but this should have enticed hero to bet smaller on the river
@@Gos1234567 Mid-level players seem unjustifiably proud after hitting top-pair with AK. Definitely sets up scenarios just like this one.
I would check call the river as you blockbet u have to fold to a jam. Check calling would be so much bttr
I raise in position on draws to see river for cheap. A lot of people do.
If going to bet call at that size, should just check call instead. AK isn't at the top of our range either. We have AA , KK, and possibly all KJ.
seems like the answer is no...........hero would be best to check the river and just see how much villain bets out, if it is outrageous at least you know villian wants to get the money in there good and probably is good a lot of the time, so hero can lay it down costing him less
Here is my question on it. I played a huge pot with one pair… did I blunder? I was in the lead until the river but got runner runner’ed
Once again at MGM National Harbor playing 1/3. Effective stacks are about 850 (my stack). Villain 1 is on the button and villain 2 is cut off. I am in the SB. I look down at AJo. CO limps and BTN raises to 15. I know AJ is often a fold from a BTN raise but the CO never 3b and I wanted to see a flop. Flop comes Jd7h3s. I check planning on check raising. CO bets 20. BTN raises to 56. I have been playing with both for hours. The CO has a huge range but would often over bet strong hands, so the 20 was a sign of weakness. Same thing for the button. He would 3 bet any premium pre-flop, and the raise was normal for him. So I decide to over bet my check raise. And raise it to 200. CO folds. BTN, after a long tank, just calls. Turn comes out a 8h.
Now I have this guys range pretty dialed in. I was confident he started with 2 Broadway cards. He always bet 25 with premiums and suited KQ and above and 15 for unsuited Broadway and mid/small pairs. So with his call, I think he has J10-AJ. All of those combos, I have pretty well destroyed. So I push all in - 600 into a 500 dollar pot. I want to charge him for the draws if he has like suited KQh and now has a monster draw.
He tanks and then puts in the call. He shows J10ss. River comes a 9… “runner runner”ed the straight. I pick up my stuff and leave, my head space wasn’t right to keep playing after that. Can’t help but think that I over played my hand. I just could read him like a book and really felt I was ahead…. Blah is all I can say. I know we shouldn’t be results oriented but 2 massive coolers in the last 2 sessions doesn’t help lol
You buthchered pre flop and the raise on the flop was ridiculous.I didn’t read any further
@@Gos1234567 not helpful but … thanks I guess. I don’t see how I butchered the preflop. I have AJo as a call in my range. It was multi-way. I am fine with my pre-flop. The check raise is a little questionable but I had a tight image at the table, pretty card dead, and was also seeking to take advantage of that. But I actually already spoke to a local pro who was at the table, so I got the constructive feedback back I needed. Thanks! Hope you run hot
@@RB-jf5ww AJo is no way a fold from SB vs a button open. I’m definitely putting in the 3 bet and trying to take the pot down right there instead of playing oop vs 2 players.
As played I’m never 3-betting the flop, but I guess if button is that bad that he’ll call with JT it’s fine.
@@RB-jf5ww if you’ve got a tight image, check-raising (or check 3-betting in this case) the flop is even worse because people should be folding anything except 2 pair +
Button must be a huge fish to call with JT.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj haha. I feel you, which isn’t what happened. I was semi-bluffing in my mind. I had him the whole way down. He was just really sticky in a hand where he had very few outs.
When can we see a live stream of you at the double board PLO Bomb Pot only table at The Lodge in Austin?
“He was limp calling a lot”
“The way he handles his chips, the way he is dressed, he seems like a good player.”
What? This is terrible ranging. Once you notice he is limp calling a lot, “good player” is not in his range
he was talking about the UTG player limp calling a lot, not the CO player
@@bhedger3021 you don’t have to yell at me
Question to Bart: Lets just assume you raised K7ss here. Are you actually jamming the river?
I think KQ spades makes sense here, maybe KJ but I remember when I first started playing reading that AK wins 76% of the time when flop comes a king. That was probably not only false but doesn't take into account the extra callers.
Also great commentary on Hustler lately, thanks Bart!
I’d have thought villain would 3bet with either of those hands in position. Especially with dead money out there.
So can we say, that villain kind of played it perfectly, right?
What could hero do differently? I think there's no way how to avoid this situation. Sometimes I lead the Turn when it's a brick, or better for my range, but usually when I'm in position and raiser checks, I mean... sometimes I do it even OOP, but not really too much. Nevertheless, where I'm trying to get is, I believe villain has enough equity to call a Turn lead due to implied odds that you are getting later, because when you hit, you will stack your opponent lot of times.
You would need to overbet lead like 700-800 to get him off from such a strong draw. And than incredibly strong play would be to shove. Which actually may really cause that you would fold top pair, top kicker. Whoah, how I hate these situations :D
solver tells you to 3bet AK on flop.
Well Bart i must thank you for these videos. Although I don't subscribe they have helped me with my game theory along with watching live stream poker.
give him a sub, it costs nothing
@@WapitalismandWreedom I meant subscription to crush live poker. I've subbed him on youtube.
why not just sub and help a guy out
Not a bad call. Some times you just want to find out what the other guy has
Before watching the reveal, my guess is either KJss or 86ss.
I love all these comments from people who’ve never played in Texas. Ya’ll just don’t get it. It’s like Party Poker micro stakes circa 2005…except the pots are like $5k and up.
I always have to remind myself that a pair of aces is still just one pair.
I dont get how he said this guy looked like a good player but then opened the call saying he limp calls a lot of pots???
Under-bluffing the river strikes again!
impossible spot as played on the river imo. All I was thinking was what he said. This looks very much as 86ss, but it is only one focking combo.
So did we ever really answer the question? Should we be calling here? Based on the combinatorics it seems to be a clear yes. But the title of the video sort of implies the answer should be no.
I would have to know for sure my opponent was capable and had the stones to make such a bluff to ever think about calling here. Super underbluffed spot at live low limit. Such a donk call. Players like this caller are the reason why playing LAG IS profitable if you have solid hand reading skills and general poker instincts. Aside from stealing an absurd number of pots, you will almost always get paid off in spots these.
Would he shove a busted flush draw?
im at 11:00, don't know what happened next but it is a FOLD.
Guy got owned
This guy sounds like Garrett Adelstein
7 of spades on the river would have scared him off the call.
I haven’t listened to the end but here is my take with 1 min left:
This isn’t an interesting spot, unless the player is a specific type of really good or really bad this spot is way way way under bluffed and is an easy river fold.
Edit: the nuts lol obviously
Agree. Against most players in 1/3 and even 2/5 this is definitely a fold. The only way I'm ever calling here is if the particular villain has shown me in the past that he's actually capable of making this kind of big river bluff with something like 76ss or A6ss, which at these levels is a small minority of player. And you're not even getting 2 to 1 on this particular call.
@@novapokerplayer207 yes!Always fold river raises no matter how weirdly a hand was played or how small the range that beats you is.
Forget “call cos pot odds”
Forget “call cos he’d have done this n that on flop/turn with the hands he reps”
Forget “he only reps one exact combo there are many bluffs”
Just say no and fold😎
LOL!! I’m Bart F. Hanson!!
I don't get it ...straddle is a dumb move
68ss? Got it
is this lebron calling in?
Jennifer Tilly plays every pot with a huge pair.
Lol
Jen Tilly is supposed to be on a Hustler Live stream on Feb 23 I think. My buddy Matt is the host!! Norman Chad is commentating. I think it's still gonna happen.
Just another anecdote where someone "stacks off" with AK.
I'm folding every time for 2 reasons: A: a bad fold is never as costly as a bad call. B: Very few people have the stones to run huge river all in bluffs. Granted it felt bluffy i would have folded and if he bluffed me well then good on him.
Xing a set
Obviously a fold
Jam the turn when no spade or straight card comes. You gotta protect AK here.
Soooo you’re saying call the flop raise, and then when $540 is in the pot, jam 4x pot with a $1900 effective shove and just pray he doesn’t have 44, 55, or KJ?! 😂😂😂 maybe do yourself a favor and keep listening to MANY of these calls and actually take the advice being given! Hahaha
@@jeffrey27rj13 HAHAHA obviously we can see how the hand played out so we know there was no way he could have won the pot. We know the only way he could have Won the pot was for his opponent to lay down his hand. I’m saying that if you put your opponent on a draw Jam the turn. He can decide if he wants to play for his whole stack on a draw.
@@alexantonucci9919 I was the caller. Sorry but you’re wrong. No halfway decent player is jamming 4x pot as played there. It would be worse than terrible. Maybe you didn’t listen to the call but the only things up for debate on this hand are my flop sizing and my River lead sizing and then decision once he jams.
He could have also raised back on the flop to get more information. Villain would have just called, letting you know he probably has a draw.
I’m not criticizing you , so relax. I would have never played like that in a game I’m simply playing devils advocate ,since we know the outcome to the hand. You flopped top pair top kicker out of position. Your opponent is never going away unless you make it a bad price for him to call.
2:27 “…of course, I call”. (??). Of course, you made a mistake!
Caller here. You’re 100% terrible if you fold to the flop raise with AK there. Nobody else has debated that and the fact that you find out he had 8 high when raising me is proof of why you never fold to that raise.
@@jeffrey27rj13 thanks for reply. Calling here (OOP matters!) is the most terrible play, therefore cannot be “of course” in my books. (You raise/fold, fine…opponent profile dependant). Here’s why: with flop raise CO just bought himself huge hand dominance while having free T and R cards!! Not bad, ehm. The end result tells the rest.
If you reraised him heavily, then blasted bricky T, his pants would be already down his knees, so he wouldn’t be able to crawl to the river. 😹
@@pot_kivach160 hahahaha. Ok buddy. You keep raising or folding the flop in that scenario and I’ll keep doing the correct thing which is calling when I’m raised there. Thanks for your thoughts! I guess Bart forgot to touch on that part. Might wanna let him know!
@@jeffrey27rj13 4:00
@@pot_kivach160 what are we arguing about. He said of course we are calling. You are saying calling is bad. Why are you pointing that out? Calling is 100% the right play after being raised in that spot and there is no other decision that makes any sense at all in that spot
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