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Today's rework retrospective is one that I've been looking forward to for a VERY long time! Nunu was arguably one of the worst designed champions in all of League's history. So I was both surprised and extremely impressed at what they were able to pull off with his VGU. So let's talk about Nunu and Willump's Rework: A Retrospective!
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I got banned in league for using it 💀
what is your main?
still hate what they did to galio...its taking so long for me to get over him....i loved him so much
We need more controllers and disrupers in the jg "sona and lulu for the controller and orianna for the disrupter" yes you forgot about the neglected class known as disrupters... could you please do a video on them
It's interesting that when people talk about the "best reworks" the big three are Junglers (Fiddlesticks, Nunu & William Bartholomew Lumpinson the Third, and Warwick)
trade ww with volibear and i agree
@@ventu2295 Well it isnt rly a big 3 rework. In terms of size of rework wws was bigger and More major
Well, that's probably because Riot's view of jungle has changed to a much better direction
@@thesanttu5359 wdym? Warwick kept more abilities and previous concepts in his kit than Volibear. And the design remained way more similar
Voli and eve too
Nunu rework made him one of the only champions who never shut up where I don't mind the dialog. Too wholesome.
it gave us nunu's death animation which makes me want to afk at base to make sure they're safe and happy
"Slow down Willump, you're going to cause an avalanche... Before I can!"
best line ever ngl
@@mori5481Or just don't pick nunu?
Forget the gameplay, the visual side of their rework is awesome! I think Nunu and Willump's designs are some of the best designs in League.
Fukin Song of the Nunu game
Truly.
Sure if you think Disney Nunu is awesome
@@G0N0X Of course it’s awesome 🤨
@@G0N0X I do, thanks!
Fun fact: since they are 2 characters, If the enemy has a thresh, they will drop 2 souls instead of 1
Which doesn't make sense as on death only Willump dies and Nunu doesn't - he continues talking to yeti.
Yet sejuani and bristle only drop one, because canonically sejuani is a redhead and gingers dont have souls
@@ceetee3370 I read that first part and was thinking “it’s probably because boar is just not sentient enough like willump is and the relationship nunu has with him is ALOT stronger”…. but then I read that last part 💀💀😂
@@ceetee3370 funny joke that i liked
but also isn't her hair pretty clearly white though? (two of the skins don't count)
@@igrazm2437 the effects of the ice did that, clearly she's naturally a redhead
Frankly, Nunu’s rework does make me miss a time when the jungler role was more of a secondary supportive role rather than a hard carry role which has shifted so much of the balanced of powers when it comes to the 5 (for better or worse). Nunu definitely fits better in the modern game (even if he now attracts trolls harder than ever before) but I wasn’t ever really against his original design either.
Lol fr now u expect the jungler to Gank in the 1st 5 mins and boy God forbid you farm on the wrong side of the jungle and one of your teamates die on the opposite side due to the enemy's jungler xD
Why didn't you gank?
@@xpapadeliciosox3986 holy fuck this happens to me every game. Then you catch the enemy jungle on a ward and start pinging, your teammate ignore you and die, then they question mark you and say jungle diff.
@@xpapadeliciosox3986 this is why I adopted ww and have one tricked him for about 3 years now. He wins early game soooo hard especially in skirmishes, so with that knowledge, I ALWAYS shadow the enemy jungler. I know how most kits function at least in the jungle in terms of clear and such. Best tip I can give is just understand which is the best starting path for your enemy and path accordingly if you want to shut them down or if you want to avoid them and scale. I prefer early game dominance because nothing is worse than NA mentality, so if I can secure people not boomin their mental, I have a better chance at winning, and if my early game basically shuts down most other junglers, especially when I’m coming for a counter gank, it’s NEARLY full proof….
Now as far as everyone in NA being s cocky ass son of a bitch and throw their leads because of “limit testing” trying to 1v3 when they are only 2-0, I can’t help with that issue💀deadass had an akali who was 3-2 yell at me because I didn’t follow her into a literal 2v5 where she got instagibbed before she could even get the second charge of her ultimate, which keep in mind she initiated with ult1….
I don't think that's necessarily true, I think that supportive junglers are taking a more healthy style, Ivern for example is very much a support jungler, still and is very consistent. There are surprisingly other characters who can still play very supportively, Sejuani for example is a great tank and supportive player, they're definitely not carries. Even Taric and Braum can be played jungle as supports and they're actually quite enjoyable. I think the styles of jungle as a support are less common but honestly I think that's due to popularity, people want to carry games more often it feels like. However I do agree that there needs to be more supportive junglers in the game, the last releases have been hypercarry after hypercarry which I'm not interested in at all as becoming the new norm. Bel'veth, Viego, Taliyah rework are all setting an unsettling precedent.
WE NEED MORE SUPPORT JUNGLERS!
You look like you main ivern
Nunu and Willumps death animation has to be the saddest one in the game. It's always so heartbreaking to see Nunu trying to save his friend as he falls
My favorite part of old Nunu was playing him full ap on top and just pressing e and running away. It worked suprisingly well back then. I mean I was silver but I remember stomping soloque
Nunu was quite popular in nemesis draft because nobody had any clue what this champ can do in lane.
Meanwhile Nunu in lane was able to deny entire laning phase for his opponent and cause permanent mental damage.
@@NaySan so true i remember how disturb the ennemy top was to get bully in lane by a nunu who build full secular its very cheezy so i had to know who was my opponent but really fun to play
Nunu support was super fun, the E for the ez CC and annoying poke, and perma blood boil for the insane stat boost for the adc.
It's great how you got Squidward's voice actor to narrate this.
Pleaseee HQHQHAHA 😭
Disagree on Nunu losing counterjungle role. His current build is literally made for counterjungle. You roll into the enemy raptors on a snowball and Q them, if you are spotted you prock phase rush and nimbus and gtfo. Same for scuttle, it’s not uncommon to lose both crabs against a competent nunu. His role remains counterjungle, just with additional gank pressure.
Definitely still a powerful counter jungler with that consume true damage too, contesting a Nunu for drake can be terrible because they have effectively triple smite.
not even mentioning he should litterally never lose the first 2 drags+heard
He is 10 times worse at it than old nunu + if you're counterjungling as new nunu it means you are not spam ganking with your stupid op ganking tool and you are effectively inting.
Only 1 champ can out smite a Nunu as well: Cho'gath
Counter jungling is barely even a thing anymore in general, used to be that you could completely starve out the enemy jungler (and even keep the ENTIRE jungle from respawning), now it's more of a slight inconvenience.
I know the copyright logistics are impossible but if there was an adventure time skin for nunu and willump that changed them to Finn and Jake I’d probably one trick it fits their vibe so perfectly
I'm sure there's a custom skin out there for that
In my country, if someone has a really heavy accent, they'd say nunu and william, yasuu, shin shao, sha-ko, and volibir. So your bloopers actually remind me of playing in public computer shops with friend immediately after school and now I'm feeling nostalgic.
I love the inclusion of Willump in this rework. Though I wouldn't mind if they change Kindred to Wolf and Lamp for a day lol... that would be funny as heck. Or Quinn and Valor, I love the Valor name but kinda shame only Quinn main knows what their bird called. Overall, a rework should aim for 2 things: retain the overall kit but reimagine how it plays out and update the champion aesthetic to modern game. Nunu and Willump manage to succeed these 2 criterias.
You can't don't know Valor's name if Quinn screams it at the top of her lungs every 10 seconds.
@@dj_rh they fucking tuned down her ctrl2 spam because of how anointing it was, Valor would scream way more frequently if you spammed it, loved to spam it till my own team would mute character voice lines in Aram, now teemo and amumu are my best ones
To be fair they did give Valor their own dedicated video game in collaboration with some ants.
do people remember old valor? now he has some gorl attached to him smh
@@nechocat1234 by God you recovered a memory I had lost, played that thing 3 times and feed all of them
Even if they came out bad I would still play them because OMG THEIR INTERRACTIONS ARE WAAAY TOO ADORABLE. I cant wait to spend more time with this duo in song of nunu.
13:00 song choice on point octopath ost is goated
I just really miss old Aatrox.. He was one of the most unique champions due to the way he could chose to deal more dmg and sacrifice his health, or go into vampire sucking sustain mode with the toggle of w. I really loved it, as it was such a unique concept.
OG Aatrox after his mini rework was the best imo
Old Aatrox was great, I personally think new Aatrox fits the character concept better and I wish they made original Aatrox differently as a different character, it would've been awesome to see that kit still around.
Kayn?
@@FireDarkNinja I like how ppl dont dislike new aatrox, they just love the original
@@radjetpack631 kinda, some people think he’s Riven 2 and I think they’re dumb for thinking that but I dunno.
I love both versions they’re awesome, I think Aatrox is deffo better as a juggernaut than a duelist anyeay
I'd say it's because Riot realized that the janky World of Warcraft artsyle wasn't popular anymore and made an effort to make N&W actually appealing to look at
I Like the wanky janky style..
Warcraft 3 esque league was soul. This new anime style has gotten stale.
@@beiwubsnsod7378 I don't think that LoL is becoming an anime game, I think it's becoming too realistic looking. Master Yi has a signature odd looking sword. Yone has realistic looking swords. Piltover used to actually look steampunk. Now it looks like modern England. They traded artsyle for realism and it just doesn't have the same vibe
@@beiwubsnsod7378 True, I sure miss when every design was super incompetent generic WOW mob number 78. Old league was so much better!
But in all seriousness, I don't get this opinion. Most of the new champs(between 2014 and 2020, at least) and reworks are just actually good unique designs, and even though I wish I could play old champs again, you can't say that the new designs don't communicate the champ's fantasy, gameplay and lore better than the old ones.
I’m so glad you made a statistic video on my favorite champion Vars. As a nunu main since 2016, even tho he was pretty bad at team fights, I like stealing objectives and buffing my allies wherever I go. Now I love he play style more being able to run the entire map while still stealing/taking objectives. He still is to this day my favorite champion. Thanks Vars! Love this video along with fiddlesticks too :D
Ay nice to see someone continue to enjoy their main after a rework, that's rare :D
@@pebblebrowser I know. My three mains are Nunu, Fiddle, and voli ever since I started playing league and seeing the reworks made me so glad that they got it before riot stopped making more reworks
7:54 Malphite, I actually thought of something that keeps he's main way of gameplay while improving his engangement:
E:Rock-Rockket
Malphite Dashes Forward, Stopping on Champions, Epic Jungle monsters knocking all targets up(for 0.6 sec) and Bonks Over walls, land area applies the knock up.
Charge:Increases range and cc(up to 1.5sec)
Molten:Casts immedietly with maximum charge.
R:Built To Handle
Remade :malphite cancels This ability into another, Giving it Molten.
Malphite Punches the ground in cone, The middle Crushed into magama, dealing Magical Damage, and Crippling until Dusted targets, that are rooted instead(Last 3 seconds) and the sides become a Slow area That Applies dusted.
Dusted: Deals additional magic damage For 5 seconds every Champion or maphite hit, and Reduces their vision.
(3 stacks, 30/25/10 cooldown each)
The Frostlands.. nice
Once again your music taste is fantastic, and this choice is subtle yet impeccable hehe
I do love Nunu's rework, it really gave his old self a new way to shine while keeping the essence of the champion almost intact, both in gameplay and visually speaking.
I do still believe Fiddlesticks' rework is the best tho; not only giving it the same change from "trolly-meme" pick into "if the fiddlesticks is good, you're kinda screwed" pick, but also probably the best visual upgrades League will ever see. He used to be cute when walking arround jumping on his sticks, now you can actually scare people with your ultimate and the uneasyness of going against a dominating fiddlesticks is kinda awesome. Also, the fact that he is one of the few specialists in the game, imo just a little behind Singed in terms of playstyle uniqueness (centered arround NOT being there and be seen the least), and that Riot was able to actually upgrade that aspect of him is astonishing. Yeah, I may be biased since he's my main and yes, specialists have that weird appeal to them, but honestly, it's just such an awesome rework. I'd love to see a Fiddlesticks analysis on him and his horror oriented playstyle/design/overal concept standpoint.
Anyways, I love your content
I love specialists but I don't think you can really say any is more unique than the rest as they're pretty much centred around being unique, Azir is insanely unique with his soldiers being how he attacks and positioning them mid combat as a strange dps mage, singed being an ap bruiser who does damage by moving around people correctly and applying damage where he goes, Fiddle centring around not being seen and tricking people as you said, even Cho'Gath you'd think "they're not unique" but they're a pure ap tank predominently a spell caster who scales with health and ap. Gangplank being incredibly unique in concept that he does damage by catching people out with his barrels and the rest of his kit is pretty much utility. Gnar pretty much being an odd mix of tank, poke mage and bruiser with all sorts of stuff crammed in. Azir, Singed, Fiddle and Heimerdinger are probably the most unique specialists Gangplank is up there in concept too.
I want more of the rare classes to make resurgences; specialists, battlemages, control mages, artillery mages.
I like the new Nunu, very fun to play, but ain't nothing about old Nunu intact lol
I know you love Urgot, we NEED his rework retrospective
You forgot to mention Nunu's new death animation, the worst in the entire game D: Fantastic video, Nunu became one of my fav champs to play after his rework. He is so fun now.
I actually liked old design more because I loved his AP kit and snowballing then to dead or being supp with his blood boil to help adc like Tris and slow targets (and ensuring killing cannon with consume 😅). But I must say rework was deserved and well executed.
I always love seeing your thoughts on reworked champions! since they just announced a Sivir mid-scope update, it might be fun to see your predictions on what might change with her kit. could make a neat video!
I’m glad you made this video 😃I’m new to league and I love seeing the evolution of the game
Nunu OTP here
Wdym? I said his visual update was phenomenal
@@VarsVerum but not enough times UnU he's too cute
You know what, I'm down, his new name is Nunu and Williams
I am nunu main. He has the best rework. My original account is itsnotwilliam and about 2 years ago I made an account called Nunu and William, and now the meme is an actual thing LMAO.
You're fast
I'd also like to add that old nunu was a really Derpy design with a weird voice and wonky animations.. but this new design, retains the same general silhouette bus is so rich in character, full of whimsy and wholesomeness
Old Nunu, and Panth where my favorite Supports, that helped me get Diamond before 2015
Draven is excited for this. Brother Nono doesn't look like a dropped baby, and Brother William doesn't look like Freddy Krueger anymore.
Nunu (reworked) was my first ever main in league of legends and has helped me a lot when I was learning the jungle role for the first time. Very happy to see how much has changed.
I actually started league like 2 days after his rework and to this day I still play him I've branched off to Amumu and Vi for JG but nunu still holds a special place
The Thresh at 8:10 really fumbled the bag on that Flay
Became a Nunu main about a year ago. Been playing for 3 or 4 years. Never knew his Rework was on Aug 28th 2018. Aug 28th is my Birthday. League gave me a present before I even played the game.
The first premiere i ever watched im glad it was vars
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS ILY
Finally you made a video on my boys!
That sneaky Yone at 14:02
1:34 ok im officially calling him nunu and william now, that goes so hard
One step closer to Sion.
Literally played league for years…. I was today years old when I found out that the yeti is Willump, and the child is Nunu… Nunu is such a yeti name 😂
Ah, the old Nunu.
I miss the time i were build full Ap and throw Iceball to enemy then just stand and Ctrl + 4 while using Nunu bot skin, fun memory.
I love Nunu and Willump. Their visual, the kit, the story,...just everything about them after the rework.
full ap predator nunu was sooo fun, you activate predator run on the lane press e enemy loses 40% hp and you just walk off
I used to wreck people with the old Nunu, I love the the move speed attack speed buff
Old Nunu was absolutely an insane champion in lane. His old snowball was point and click slow with 100% AP scaling, Blood Boil allowed you to run in and Snowball. Consume allowed you to deal with any counter pokes or trades and stay on top. His old kit synergized perfectly together.
Not saying it was better or worse than new Nunu. It was more fun in some ways but the new W is pretty fun as well. I think he's more troll now than back then, though
I play wild rift and recently bought them and gotta say, they are extremely fun to play!
the octopath traveler music 😭😭😭✨✨
ANOTHER awesome video also Octopath Music 👀.
Is this the original or is this a remix? I can't really tell. Either way good video.
My very first Pentakill was with old Nunu ult back in s5
the thing that I like the most in this champ, I get two souls when I play Senna...
Strated the vid and then I hear the music, Octopath Traveler great choice.
I loved old Nunu's E. if you were slowed, consider you're doomed and dead. This slow was epic.
8:40 Not to be a pedant, But originally they used Clairvoyance and Clarity for disco nunu, Clairvoyance because it shines a light down from above like a disco ball alongside oracle lens and clarity because its blue I guess since blue build was also a troll setup in some cases too
I just want to point out the gigabrain Senna at 13:42. I didn't even realize Senna could target her q at wards.
Nunu back in the day when counterjungling was an actual thing was so fun, probably when I enjoyed playing jungle the most. That being said, with how the jungle has changed, old Nunu became pointless and the new Nunu is also a lot of fun to play, albeit for entirely different reasons.
I love the Nunu rework! As someone who played back when LoL was a new release, I always enjoyed jungling with Nunu because he was one of the only characters that COULD jungle. when the game was released, it was basically impossible to jungle from level 1, so you would start Nunu in the top lane (in a 2-1-2 lane split) and head into the jungle after getting a few levels of experience. At that point, you became invisible to everyone -- you didn't have CC or damage, so you couldn't really gank lanes. Basically, you were leaving your top to get solo experience and farm, and since they were probably solo against two enemies, they would have to do so near their tower. Nasus was one of the best partners for this strategy, since his passive lifesteal could keep him healthy, he could use Spirit Fire to clear waves, Wither made him VERY difficult to tower dive, and he loved solo farm.
As LoL started to evolve, Nunu just got left behind. The re-work pushed him back into relevance. He's definitely a gum among the re-worked champions, and exemplary of how far LoL has come as a game (unfortunately, the community is still a dumpster fire).
Nunu & william was a good rework
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@@michaelharis9962 for what lol
I just love WILLIAM
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old ap nunu played so funnily, was my favorite
It's great to see Nunu& Wilump get the attention they deserve for being a fun and wholesome champion to play after he was reworked. The aura changed so drastically for the better. Speaking of changed drastically ,this video would be an appropriate Segway into Sion as far as the rework Champs go, his mention here just begs it.
On a note of how they are seperate characters but function as one, when thresh is nearby and they die, they drop two souls.
It's more of an a Easter Egg than a Gameplay Standpoint
I miss old Nunu. I would play his Grungy skin (the one that was a Sesame Street reference) and my friend would play Dragonslayer Vayne and we would go bot. We called it Blue Man Crew. All I would do is max Blood Boil, cast it on my friend, and spit loogies (his old E) for free due to his old passive. I think we played around 50 games as that duo and we literally had 100% win rate. It helps that he's a master rank player and this was back in 2013, but it was so much fun. The most free wins I've ever had.
Thanks for the videos, best content on TH-cam.
I think there was a time around 2011-2012 when counterjungling was big and so was Nunu.
I used to love old Nunu as a support. Very cursed to just go munch enemy jg camps and then come back and ice blast + buff the ADC.
It was not good but it WAS fun!
I really hope that Riot will do something with Nunu and William, something like Gentleman Cho'Gat, Nunu and Wilump in costumes wher Wilump now William
I think the only major thing I dislike about his kit is that every long range ability or ultimate has some sort of signal its coming before its actually there (Sion, Kled, Pantheon, Warwick). I think Biggest Snowball Ever! needs something like that
installed league>reached lvl 30,>2nd ranked game >met an enemy nunu for ist time ( i was adc and wasnt allowed to farm)>locks in the champ for the rest of my life>love makin people go afk XD
One of my last games as og nunu I took baron by myself at lvl 13
I would agree if not where for the goddamn bugs that the stupid snowball pops up from time to time. Just yesterday i had a game where the Nunu cancel the cast, the ball rolled as usual and out of nowhere it became invisible but still kept rolling as usual hitting us all in the process. And it was not once but it happened over and over during the entire match.
MY MAN ORNN GETS A MENTION POOOOOOOOOG
ah yes nunu and william, the only jungler I can play because of his stupidly high gank tempo that compensates for my lack of map awareness and knowing where to be
5:56 similiar to smite's bakasura, hes one reliebly damaging ability is can't be used on gods, making it worthless in combat.
Good video about Nunu and "William"
I remember when nunu was pretty much a big ass rectangle running around
I only miss old nunu because i would go full ap and just press e on someone and chunk them for half their health wait 4 seconds and do it again idk why i just found it really fun
Pre rework nunu was NOT trash. His random kit was EXTREMELY fun to play. He was a B tier jungler from release to rework and the best counter jungler in the game.
The only criticism I have is that the Nunubot skins voice got changed and is missing a few of Angry Gorans lines. But its still really close and really good, plus they gave him a disco skin. Oh and his new voice lines reference other classic league memes.
Song of Nunu needs to come out !!!
You mentioned old Mordekaiser/Swain players missing their old iterations. You know what I miss the most about Mordekaiser? The music thematic in his abilities. That used to just make me feel good.
As for Swain, however, what I enjoy the most post-rework is his interactions with other characters and his voice lines. Swain is just a very cool character now.
And now infinite ulti is back
My brother's only on league was due to experimenting nunu for the first time ... Not even in ranked and trying his beast mind you
Nunu was my first jungle main
I actually miss the old ap nuke nunu running into lanes throwing your E and running away and chunking someone for like 1/3rd their health was great
Old nunu support was LIFE
i may miss old nunu but gawd dam is new nunu fun
I can't get over how Nunu looks in the splash art 💀
Gosh i miss the days before the alcoves
YOOOO I just realised that you used to be one of my fave Maplers
Banger
"playing nunu was like a singleplayer game"
Ironic
6:18 what the hell is this Kog'Maw attack speed?!?!
in terms of Kit I like Old Nunu better but new Nunu's look is really amazing. Old Nunu is just so different, yes, he's 1 dimensional but he's really fun to play with. He has targeted slow and speed up so he's a perfect utility jg.
I miss old pantheon botlane it was amazing.
Old ap nunu was strong, i Miss hin
Could you do a similar video for Evelyn's? Before her rework, at one point she was considered the worst champion in the game. Picking her was a bannable offense for intentional feeding. Her rework made her relevant again and was well worth the effort.
Im pretty sure he already made evelyn video
Imo, the best rework (at least balance wise) is 100% Warwick. Hes had one, i repeat ONE balance change since his rework, and i believe it was an extremely minor power shift (like nerfed one part of his kit while subsequently buffing another). The rest of his changes are simple bugfixes, and there havnt been that many at that. Hes definately League shining example of a perfectly balanced champ.
I'm probably one of the few who still misses the old WW and Nunu(and Eve but we don't talk about that).
Also Akali and Aatrox had really good reworks 8n hindsight. Not sure why everyone was so pissed about it.
I do still miss the old Nunu from time to time. Something about taking grasp and autoing the enemy jungler to death while perma slowing them was just so satisfying
Ach the good old meta where the midlaner had a nunu that helps him taking every wave and Camp just to get 300cs in under 20 min and the w buff from nunu... rip Karthaus an kaisa (kogmaw as well)