I love how in the last clip the Veigar immediately flashed from her at full health just to prove why seconds later when she gets on him and obliterates him in an instant
Apologies for the audio bug around the 8 min mark. I noticed the amount of technical errors are beginning to pop up in my videos more frequently. I’ll make sure my team and I crack down on them to make sure they don’t happen again >_
I mean wukong can do everything and has been strong for 2 seasons but unless he's one of the best champs in the game (like now) he's not that popular in comparison
I just started to pick up camille, being someone who has mostly played low pick rate champs like yorick, illoai, and cho gath. It is very interesting to swap to someone who has a tool for most situations.
felt that, i play mainly illaoi and yorick top also and just playing some champs that have the higher pick rates is like.. ah i see why everyone and their mother plays them
They are almost the same with me. Illaoi, Yorick, old Morde and Sejuani. I also went for Camille to add to my pool. It's a champion diff if you have the mechanics.
Ridiculous mobility making for easy engages and escapes. Extremely tanky especially when the player properly abuses her passive to take free trades. Stupid amounts of true damage to make melting even the tankiest of opponents a breeze. Her ultimate that allows for easy gank setups or to completely kill any small chance of survival for the poor soul that you set your sights on whether it be a team fight or 1v1. And oh, I almost forgot to mention that it gives you untargetability, so you can effortlessly outplay anyone’s trump card ability.
is only damage is the q, her team fight presence is null, she can have hard counters matchup, when she falls behind she is not usefull, she can be squishy at some points in the game, she can be focus very fast, and she take quite some skill to do something with her, but this is just my opinion.
a larger problem in her kit that people tend to miss is her passive, it is impossible to lose lane on camille if you trade around it and practically nothing the enemy can do about it since her self peel and disengage are still really strong, all at the same time she is outscaling you
You can bait out her passive. Its a 20 second cooldown early which means you should have a large window of time where you can trade with her if she ever uses it. As long as your are not wasting your abilities that have even longer cds on her passive then its not that hard to deal with.
@@garm2287 Exactly, although she covers everything a champion needs she gets hardly punished in early. The only thing not making her +SSS Tier is the snowbally duelist meta right now like Aatrox, Jax, Riven, Renekton(?), Pantheon, Darius.
Are you serious? Camille can't win lane in isolation, you need a jungler willing to play for you, and this shouldn't happen because botlane is just the more reliable way to win games. Camille is a very good champion if you're a top-jungle duo, else its just not, especially because she has some very easy to play champions that just demolish her in lane and the later stages of the game, like Shen and Jax.
everything else with her kit has a lot of parallels to azir - late game scaler with a safe laning phase with emphasis of controlling when a fight happens - consistent dps - massive fucking dash - designed to be difficult to play but in exchange able to handle just about anything
careful bro, Yone mains are gonna come after you and tell you how thier champ is balanced because they can get counter picked in lane and get perma cced by the entire enemy team if the one whos playing him is a brain dead chicken who ults into the middle of the enemy team while being 1/10/3
I think one of the biggest problems is that she is, yet again, another character whose kit was made to counter a specific class, that being Tanks, with all of the True Damage, %Health damage and mobility she has. That would be fine (and this is coming from an Ornn main), having characters made to counter one specific class isn't the end of the world. The real problem is that, just like Fiora, what makes them stupid strong against Tanks still makes them very strong against everyone else. It's shown very well in a few clips in this video. At 12:56, you can see Camille 1v1 an Ornn and, if I'm being perfectly honest, it was physically painful to watch as the Ornn tried to fight and got himself killed while Camille walked away with full health after everything. This clip was good for showing that she can destroy Tanks easily. That's what she was made to do so, even though I hate the idea, I'll say it's fine (although the amount she healed WASN'T fine, what the hell even was that?). The problem is that this also translates into other classes. Half a minute later, at 13:36, we get to witness a Camille start a fight at 1100 HP and, after healing around 500 HP with the Honeyfruit while being damaged by Akali, burst Akali down and comes out still at 1100 HP. At this point, it becomes obvious that Camille just simply has too much. She has very high true damage on a low cooldown and low mana cost, she has high mobility that can be used either to engage or disengage, she can shield against the main type of damage your champion deals when she engages you, she can setup a 1v1 with her ultimate, forcing you to take what is, almost always, a losing fight and, with the right items (as shown in the Akali and Ornn clips), she can lifesteal so much that she can actually come out of an extended fight healthier than she went in. A champion having all of this simply isn't healthy for the game and I fail to understand why Riot keeps making champions with % Max Health True Damage and proceeding to never nerf them in any meaningful way. I can only hope that Riot will one day listen and nerf Camille... and while they're at it maybe they'll delete Fiora from the game as well. TL;DR: Ornn main complains that Scissor Lady is too strong.
@@a_san_t Look, it's a long comment, it's bound to have a few misspelings, and I always write especially fast so I tend to make a few mistakes, sometimes pressing a button a bit earlier than I should.
@@nem900 she is balanced, sunderer meta made her what you all think of her right now. Im a camille main and i wouldn't care if they just made her not possible to build this item, it'd be better for the whole community of the game and for all the mains that are playing camille bc they like HER champ design, not the winrate they get from her.
@@jrockenjoyer I still hope trinity cami would be viable, but hell I played vs ornn and shen today. Cant even deal dmg to them with trinity, they just outdamage me with full build xD. Divine is the only answer to them if you wish to kill. Unless you are pushing like crazy while ignoring them, then trinity I guess :D
@@jrockenjoyer TBH I think many completed items are too broken right now. Like, the difference from having Sunderer's components to having the whole item is absurd, and it will feel unfair often. But I think riot would be trolling if they decided to nerf or remove it, because other items are on that level of bullshit as well (or even greater). And some aren't even mythics, like BORK and seraphs.
As a shen/poppy/orn main i fell your pain but i hate to admit she is very fun to play and can easily carry games,i play her when i dont fell like tanking for the team and want to be the star of the game because a fed camille is like a kick in the nuts.
I've been playing LoL on and off for years (I'm very bad but I just play for fun) and you're definitely one of the best if not the best at explaining the game mechanics. I am often very confused when it comes to game play videos, even simple ones. But you break it down and present the concepts in the way that makes it understandable for someone like me. Thank you!
I stand by my point that, if a champion already have high mobility through dashes, they shouldn't be given movement speed bonuses on top. That goes for Camille's Q, Fiora's passive and Akali's passive, just to name a few. Punishing cooldowns is the main counterplay dealing with mobile champions. Zed and LeBlanc are very mobile, but they never feel unfair because the moment they use their stuff, they're wide open for retaliation as their mobility are either their ultimates or are close to 20 seconds. Then you face Akali and even after she uses her stuff, she's still zooming at 500+ movement speed.
@@thebernardoespinacovers6081 I think the problem with Vi is not the lack of movement speed buffs after her engage. The problem is these broken champions which have these buffs that makes her obsolete.
The weakness on camile is that she cant all in most champions on an even state. She needs short trades, but short trades on a melle champion arent always the easiest to get. All her abilities are made for short trades.
@@alex2005z and she also has all the tools to make sure the trade is short. You can't just continiue hitting her after she stops, the trade ends when she wants it to end, and that's the problem
To me as someone who played her a decent amount on release and only recently picked her up again in the end of last year, she feels like a perfect example of a well designed and well executed champion that is just constantly too strong simply due to how she was made. it's unfortunate but hey
she is balanced, sunderer meta made her what you all think of her right now. Im a camille main and i wouldn't care if they just made her not possible to build this item, it'd be better for the whole community of the game and for all the mains that are playing camille bc they like HER champ design, not the winrate they get from her.
Camille is literally the Jack of all trades from everything that's bullshit in the top lane, even if not toxic as some of the other big four, she has everything obnixous about them in her kit. She's to good at not having clear weaknesses.
She has a few weaknesses such as Wave clear, not high dps and if you just do 1 error you are dead. If you play perfectly its fine that you are rewarded for that.
Interesting pick of No More Heroes by Aviators, btw. That's one of my favorites from him, so hearing the opening vocals was a nice surprise. (well, if you can call "ooohs" vocals)
@@hashteraksgage3281 mobility and maybe damage, but aside from that everything on her kit is fairly well designed and not that big of a deal, but everything at the same time or played by someone really good at camille who can use it well and she becomes one of the strongest characters of the game
Camille i think is a great example of giving a champion everything they need and leaving nothing to be exploited. Champions like Aatrox, Darius, Garen, Gnar to some extent all have some very hard consequences if played badly. I have been trying Camille the past few days and while I am playing at like Low Plat to Gold I can see how a very experienced player can abuse her to the point of never losing a game. If she is played perfectly there is nothing anyone can do to stop her and I think that is good but only if EVERY champion is designed that way which in this game with that many champions and mechanics is impossible. Great vid btw love your takes in game design as I am very interested in those sort of stuff!
@@IronKurone Dzukill is regarded as the best Dzukill in the world . He was top 10 chall even before lethal tempo was reworked playing mostly yas and yone top , before lethal tempo rework, yone top was just only Slightly less troll than yas top in high elo . Dzukill is genuinely a good player and even yone haters can see that , he has nothing to prove imo .
@@harrysliyoko8809 He has the skill of a god for both Yas an Yone but still, he only reach rank 1 because of abusing 200 years champ like Yone at full potential.
Unpopular opinion: Camille is the most "balanced" out of the 4 riven irelia fiora because unlike fiora, you can actually punish her when she goes in and doesn't have hookshot - fiora can dance around with her q every 2-3 seconds or so, while critical hitting and dealing max health true damage Irelia is much more difficult to lane against (in my humble opinion) because she has aoe crowd control (devastating in low elo) and, again, too much healing on her q and is too mobile in fights riven is just broken op because she can shrug off all damage you deal to her once she gets 2 items with her short cooldown shield and 2 separate stuns, a wide area coverage ult, more burst than camille and have, again, more in-fight mobility I really respect camille mains because they do not rely on teamfights to win (like irelia and to some extent riven, yasuo, yone...) and they aren't a meatshield and have to rely on sidelaning either (fiora in particular). At least, I prefer to see her rather than irelia, fiora, akali and 200 years gwen in the pro meta. Her and Jayce particularly
Agree, she is more fair to play against (provided that you are not playing tank again sunderer camille) since fucking up her E in laning phase is literally death sentence to her
actually i do play malphite and shen into camille a lot and i can vouch that you can survive, get some cs and then absolutely roll over the map and ignore her. The main problem tanks have, not being able to contest cs, can be solved with lvl 6 and then tp roam I think
As someone who played a lot of singed, I really enjoyed this matchup. Flip gave some answers to her abilities, stopping her second Q, cancelling her E, stopping her ult, but you only have the one flip so each interaction is very decisive and it can really go either way. Kind of like the Riven matchup. Fun times.
I feel like her popularity is more about riots refusal to take her out to the top tier of top lane since her release, rather than “precision” mechanics
shoutout to the atmosphere of this video, goddamn. the lighting and music makes the whole thing seem like an investigation into a serial-killer. which, yunno, it kinda is.
Jax: yeah its nice for u to have a true dmg aa, but نشط: يدخل Jax في Evasion ، وهو موقف دفاعي ، لمدة ثانيتين ، مما يتسبب في تفادي جميع الهجمات الأساسية غير البرجية ضده طوال المدة. يحصل Jax أيضًا على تقليل الضرر بنسبة 25٪ ، مما يقلل الضرر من جميع قدرات منطقة التأثير التي يتم الحصول عليها من أبطال البطل. يمكن إعادة صياغة Counter Strike بعد ثانية واحدة ، ويتم ذلك تلقائيًا بعد انتهاء المدة. RECAST: يلحق Jax ضررًا جسديًا لجميع الأعداء القريبين ، ويزيد بنسبة 20٪ لكل هجوم يتم تفاديه ، وزيادة تصل إلى 100٪ ، ويصعقهم الصاعقة لمدة ثانية واحدة.
I used to main her (500k) so here is a trick: Sidestep her E at all costs. If you can do it, she will be probably dead even if she has a small lead on you. Darius well played, Fiora and Poppy are main counters since you can W (fiora and poppy) or E (as Darius) while she flies towards you and interrupt her dash, stun and attack speed buff
The only thing that is 200 years is the fact that her Q deals such a huge ammount of true damage , exept for that I find her design to be one of the best this game has offered ! Feels very smooth , every spell works with each other and the skill cieling on this character is absurd , i love it
7:55 lol i love how it starts cutting out and i hear "this wasnt intentional" yea i doubt the audio screwing up isnt intentional that or its my end screwing up, idk
I can agree the numbers are massive. But conceptually speaking, her abilities are so perfect for the kind of character that she is that I can't hate her, even if she kills me in 2 hits. She is a wonderful character with great design, absolutely chilling stories and her abilities are absolutely on-point when it comes to what they do, not how much damage they do.
@@Pteriidae I just think its overkill for her to have shield and kind of goes against her design in my opinion. If your design is all about precision, you do not need a shield since shield in games are commonly associated with committing mistakes. Shields in games are usually for giving players a leeway or forgiving players to commit mistakes a little bit. A champion based on precision shouldn't have that since it should encourage precise calculations and should not encourage committing mistakes and taking risks just because you can since you have a shield.
I feel like the big thing about camile is that she is a duelist who doesnt want to all in you from an even state. She loses all in to every single duelist. She also doesnt run lethal tempo, so that shows she doesnt want a full on fight. Just a quick trade and wait for cooldowns. Its a different win lane playstile than every other duelist who just wants to start a fight and run you down. As she says "patience isnt a virtue, it is the virtue". You cant rush things on camile. You miss your e and thats a crap ton of damage you just took because you cant proc your passive. Thats why she is balanced in the context of league: you cant rush things on her, and we all know league players have no patience
So you are saying that when you miss your engage spells you get punished, but when you dont you deal half of the enemy laners hp as true dmg. And we talk about the 1.6k range fast hook shot engage right :D. Yeah she is very balanced and well designed /s
@@ReJeCT47 1.6k hookshot only if you are stupid. It does need a wall remember that? And if it was any other duelist they wouldnt do half your hp, they would do all of it
@@ReJeCT47 If you even hit the E, most toplaners will 100-0 you before you kill them. There are a lot of lanes which dont allow Camille to ever use her E aggressively. She slowly loses all of those lanes. Examples: Teemo, Jax, Darius, Fiora, Gwen, Riven Irelia, Tahm, Morde, Illaoi, Wukong and many more!
nah, i'm with ya vars. i hate her true damage. almost somehow feels like i can't do anything about her no matter what i do. feels similar to yone and how i can't do anything due to his spirit form. i still believe personally if true damage is on a basic ability, it should feel very minimal and big true damage numbers should only be limited to ultimates (and even then straight up full executes still feel like bullshit if on someone like pyke) yes before anyone asks, i'm just trash at the game and i complain about a lot sometimes.
she is balanced, sunderer meta made her what you all think of her right now. Im a camille main and i wouldn't care if they just made her not possible to build this item, it'd be better for the whole community of the game and for all the mains that are playing camille bc they like HER champ design, not the winrate they get from her.
I find it annoying that this champion's theme is "precision" when i can guarantee that a champ like gragas takes a lot more accuracy to do well on, and his theme is "big fat drunk man".
She's precision in that everything revolves around her timings. Camille literally has a bunch of clocks goiing at all times. Has she not used q on a minion? You can do a quick trade then leave and you'll avoid the 2nd q. If she qs a minion back off for a bit as her threat has spiked, then when it goes on CD your opportunity opens again That's what having 95% of your damage in one ability creates, which I would definitely call precision
I agree champs like gragas and gangplank is more precise especially with the barrels. Bursted by barrels is called outplay. Getting R’d and Q’d doesn’t feel like that at all.
Camille isn't broken. Overtuned a bit, sure, but not broken. Her Q is her **only** source of damage - her E's damage will do maybe 350 damage at full build, which is less than most auto attacks at that point. Her W isn't "sustain" for lane, it's like a 14 health heal in the early game due to it being 5% post-mitigated max health damage. At early levels, that's a heal of about 14-20 health at most... which, if you bought a Doran's Shield, would happen in 5 seconds anyway. Her R's bonus % max health damage is MAGIC damage, which means her Q has no interaction with it. Basically, Camille's entire kit revolves around hitting her Q's. Since she has no interaction with crit and needs to build tanky to survive long enough to hit those Q's on time, her auto attacks are on the slower end. Not only that, but, *especially* in the early game, charging up her Q is a very coordinated attack that the enemy can simply walk away from. The only way she can guarantee that second Q landing is if she wastes her mobility, which leaves her wide open for retaliation with everything on cooldown. Her shield is massive because it's only against a single damage type - most champs are designed to have a significant amount of both magic and physical damage in the early game, that alone of which can render her shield pointless. It's not useful until she starts to hunt people down in forced 1v1's, but even then, her team fight presence is on the lower end because she has no in-fight mobility or utility to give her team, like Irelia's R providing a massive zoning tool or Riven's incredible amount of CC or Fiora's team healing if she procs her ult. Camille's ult knocks people back, sure, but it only interacts with one champion after that - other divers have ways to keep zoning up or to enable utility over and over again. A solid 80% of Camille's damage comes from her Q. Maybe 15% of the remainder is just auto attacks where she can get them, and the last 5% of her other three abilities. Camille isn't broken when she's strong - she's just a little overtuned, or she abuses items that were buffed. Inherently, her kit is relatively balanced and gives Cam a lot more independence and agency over what she wants to do at the cost of wave management and team utility.
its way more then 80% and as said in video, her laning is way too bloody safe, also who cares if q is only source of dmg, you cant itemise against it atm, its like saying illaoi while power is in her e and r
You're proving my point - 90% of Camille's power budget is in her Q, which is time-delayed and extremely choreographed. It has plenty of outplay - and in the early game, that outplay is literally just "walk away." And Vars heavily overstates how well she scales - she isn't a hypercarry. She can't 1v9 unless it's a super high skilled player piloting her - her weaknesses in the late game are too easily exploited, since it's literally just "1v2 her," which means pretty much her entire identity is killed in a team fight since she doesn't have the same team fight presence of other top lane divers.
@@tayanasummers not really, she is both good in split adn team fight, if you 1v2 thats good for others anyway, and the thing is, if someone scales harder she usally can beat their ass like yorick or urgot and if they have good laning like a garen, garen should never be able to touch you and you just wait for sunder to be able to do % true dmg, there is no way % true dmg is healthy in any way on a bruiser
@@d4s0n282 I can tell you don’t play her cause she is not good in team fights lol. Her whole kit is based around 1v1 and picking some one off. The most she can do in a 5v5 is ult to push people off the target but that just puts a massive tether on your head for the enemy team and she’s not even tanky.
5:56? Taric needs more personal leway to access hes power, For his E instead of both He can only pick on target to line with, but can move it while channeling, Q Instead of imdeate healing, every cast Increases the regenaration of nearby allies outside of the connected target, They and taric get the instant heal. P gives taric a MS buff and W stays the same, R Gives taric Increased movespeed, only him and causes allies nearby(attched ally gains less)to be given a shield, depending on how long they stay in the aoe, Then after taric and his attached ally have the invicibility, the shield will decay into healing, like "heal for 30% of the shield taken".
I like how he didn't mention Jax, since he absolutely destroys Camille :) Also, Tryndamere is in no universe easy early game for Camille, and Volibear is really decent pick into her lane.
@@aro4322 It's player diff then . It takes way more from the Camille player to win the Jax lane than the other way around . I've seem Yasuo players beat Sett / Darius /Garen in lane , it's player diff .
I used to wonder why she had to wait so long to get her 2nd skin :) now, she gets more skin but I still think it's still a small number with a champion like her, I mean she is not that popular but a lot of player like her, I don't understand why Riot don't give her skin more often
its mostly because whomever gets to call the shots with skins seems to have a "get the most amount of money with the least investment" type of mind set when it comes to skins. think about it this way. if a cammile skin costs the same amount of money as a yasuo skin or a lux one would but lux and yasuo sell more, even if the camille skin made a profit the yasuo skin would have made even more. so they have the skin team chained into making skins for the most populer champs with the mid to low tier ones being left in the dust for months if not years because once again even of they are successfull and make money the other champs would have made even more. its shitty as hell and it kills the creativity of the people working on them because they cant go wild or pick the champs that they want for the skins. but thats what we are stuck with unfortunately.
Camille is the only champion that I have Mastery 7 on at the moment. I love playing her, but yeah. She is very powerful. If she didn't synergize so well with Spellblade effects with her Q... she'd still be powerful because of how good the rest of her kit is. Honestly, being able to isolate an enemy with her ultimate is really useful.
Gimme dem salty tears Vars. As a Camille main I love indulging in the suffering of my enemy laners as Camille. But real talk Camille is a strong champion overall, many of your points in your video, if not all, are completely valid, and have given me an even greater appreciation for Camille
Notice how he never mentioned Jax in anywhere of his video except for talking about skirmishers. Jax is literally unplayable for Camille if you don't beat him pre 6. After he hits 6 and manages to get a first base without being down more than 20cs, you will never beat him 1v1 for the rest of the game.
11:27 isnt Ierlia classified as a diver by Riot? the wiki and league website lists her as such, her R + E into Q's are really "diver like" engage. her passive is what could make her more of a skirmisher, her dps ramps up, its usually stronger by the end of her engage, and if she used only E or only R to start a fight, she is gonna stick to you like a birthmark.
Neither Fiora nor Tryndamere lose lane against Camille, they have a very significant edge over her. And then there's Jax, who is her strongest counter that she legit cannot play the game against unless he's significantly worse of a player, not losing lane and outscaling her hard.
I'm a camille main and I confirm dealing with those guys is so....... hard especially jax. Sometimes Teemo too but I can easily one shot him after I bait his Q.
@@BanditLeader Camille hasn't worked in jungle ever since early season 9. She cannot clear ever since she lost her heal on minions and monsters and then her stun on minions and monsters.
you also forgot the fact that her design is perfect and really attractive (not from a gameplay PoV) when I started league it was one of the champs that attracted me the most from a visual perspective, she is really badass with the steampunk style, her hair looking really special and her scisors legs. Overall one of the best visual designs in the game besides a deplorably broken kit
Camille breaks the fundamental rule of league of legends; she has a defense of off-tanks with the killing power of an assassin, with a mobility better than most divers. ( also I have 0 idea why the thought on hit on q was a good idea )
@@MrWiented 1: she needs to do more then press q to win 2: she can be countered without loosing all your health and can be escaped from. 3: she build lethality In order to do damage, while the only damage item she needs is divine sunder and still dose over 1/2 your heath in one.
@@grimlockgreg3063 vi deals more raw damage than camille at all stages. Its just that her damage is split in 4 abilities where as Camillles is mostly in her Q.
Camille is pretty balanced and fair to fight, especially compared to the other horsemen, the only thing that makes her really bad to play against is divine sunderer and that item is a plague for the game in my opinion, but no one dare to think so.
The brokenness of her Q is not in the item description for DS; it's in the Q text. Otherwise, she would lose a bunch of that brokenness by taking Trinity, for example. It's her. She's the broken one.
I've noticed this a lot, but Riot really likes to release a new champion as an "answer" to metas. Camille was an answer to the tank meta, Vex was an answer to high mobility, Zeri was an answer to lots of shields, etc. Of course, these champions didn't do a lot to change the meta, at least not in the way Riot hopes they could.
This is a series about champions who have held a huge following for a really long time. Not about flavour of the month champions that are otherwise rarely picked like Gwen.
5:45 So zarya Needs an ability the can relocate plant's position, her w is her passive but can be controlled, maybe there could be given a Held version that realeses spore that cause all plants in a 2000 meter radius to terlport around them, relocating them if the teamfight switches, though it is at the cost of losing imedate access to her paissve.
If anything, Camille’s counterplay is the exact opposite. She’s a fighter without a combat ultimate, so from levels 6 through 9 or so she loses all ins to almost every single other top laner. Hookshot can be body blocked if she tries to escape with it or interrupted by cc, she has no escapes after using it due to long cd, her dps is very low until she gets two items in a lane where dps is all around high, and this is only for her lane combat counterplay.
Whenever someone created a unit you can use in a game of competition, there must be a factor that balances them down, like a special condition or penalty so that everyone can realisticly compete against them. It's called "Power Taxing" and certain powerful things are taxed with something equivalent of their power. There's a reason why knights can only move in L, because if Knights are given better movement (like directional straight) they ended up overshadowing the Rooks despite moving for less space simply because being able to bypass enemy piece is really vital and in certain case gamebreaking because you can just position a knight to straight direction for easy king lock. There's a reason why Market Gardening is a niche strat because being able to oneshot any of the classes from full (or in certain cases Market Garden a Heavy then shoot them with your secondary for 2-shot) out of nowhere is broken and hard to deal with, because most Trolldiers would use Rocket Jumper and prevent themselves from being able to grab intelligence or deal damage with their primary, and if they commit to non kill situation they pretty much dead meat without shotgun. There's a reason why many retrains of Pot of Greed penalizes you for drawing two cards because being able to draw 2 extra resource freely without penalty in YGO is so broken that Pot of Greed itself is still banned to this day and even banned in Master Duel where some of the most powerful banned cards can be played there. In short, a character/spell/skill/attack being powerful must have its drawbacks that balances out the power they had. Power Taxing could come in multiple forms. For example, if a character is so strong then something else of them must have been weak or make those powers conditional, like if the character has strong damaging power but can't take too much damage and has long skill cast duration and/or cooldown, or if the character is very strong and resilient but practically immobile and requires you to time your blocks for counterattack, or if character is horrendously strong regardless of capability but make it so they would only be playable at the 11th out of 12 hour of the game, like the Gotoh archetype in Fire Emblem games. If an ability or skill is powerful then it should be powerful in only 1 or 2 aspects, like a very damaging attack with long range must not be completely spammable (either by cast speed or consuming resources) and/or easy to cast, or ability being spammable and easy to cast musn't be very damaging and/or having long range, if an ability have certain capability to turn the game around like a wide-ranged crowd control, then it can't be spammable and/or easy to cast. Power Taxing also needs to take account for what happened when using said powerful character or ability, like if you miss a dive in a certain character then you can't just escape willy nilly away from danger and had to take account of dealing with everything else after successful attempts. If you failed at casting that ability, you will be punished, and if you succeed, then you still can be punished by anyone who can circumvent its effect, like the ability not strong enough to score a takedown against the intended target and left you vulnerable, or successfully scoring a takedown with the ability leaves you vulnerable to any other incoming threats, its a synergy that keeps a metagame from being stale, is that everything has a condition that each every one in the can exploit with and against, like a rocket tag gameplay, but less explosive and more subtle. In short, almost every form of power taxing makes competitive game fun, because you can never be so sure that you can consistenly win every matchup because of strength and weakness of the character or ability you're using. Then there's that one form of power taxing, the form of power taxing that basically everyone hates. Some of you may already have known this, but maybe you guys didn't realize it yet. We all know them as "Skill Based Power Taxing". What's that, you ask? Well, it's basically just regular power taxing, but the entire taxing is solely based on how player handles the character and/or the abilities. These kinds of power taxing ensures that the only weakness that character or ability had is because the player handling them is bad. Skill based power taxing is surprisingly common in a lot of multiplayer games, either by making the character/ability have high numbers but make them unwieldy to control or cast unless you master it, or make the character/ability numbers low but allow them to be able to do anything they need when they have the skill. In paper, these kinds of power taxing sounds promising way too promising in fact. If a character/ability were too powerful by either having raw numbers or multipler, or the character being able to literally do anything on demand, they are balanced by having difficult to execute controls or having numbers so low it practically balances it out. In practice however, these power taxing can be easily be detracted by anyone who can master them, if not outright being nullified by said skill. So if a character/ability does have cumbersome controls, does it really matter if a pro can singlehandedly execute it in near pixel-perfect for an easy play anytime? Low numbers doesn't really matter if you can literally do anything with them, especially if they were spammable, because high level players can easily turn the weakling into utilitarian nightmare to fight against (like being able to avoid being hit at all). The taxing it provides is so lopsided in player's favor that the only reason why they aren't completely flooring the metagame is because the statistics also shows the people who loses it, which includes low-ranked players who uses them who has yet to master their 'difficulties'. This is the reason why i hate characters such as Camille, Yone, Akshan, The Aegis Twins, Chaparral 2J, Pre-nerf Reserve Pyros, Brigitte, Leroy Smith, the entire Sky Strikers, and many more high tier units but difficult to use or has low numbers (never both of them at once). Competing against them isn't fun, and you had to compete with something that's equally as broken just to keep up. They can't be fully balanced unless they have to completely overhaul them from the ground-up. They have so much power that they basically detracting the fundaments of the game and making the entire game relating to them instead of making them relating to the game. Attempts are made to basically boot them out of the metagame by nerfing them to the ground that they're unplayable or just permabanning them for competitive outright, but i just hate it that the only way they were able to balance them out is through bandaid solutions. Hey, @Vars, if you ever see this, please spread the word and tell everyone why power taxing is important and why skill based power taxing shouldn't exist.
Though the points you talked about were all great, informative and true, I could tell the whole time you disliked her, and I was ensured at the end. It's not a problem that you have a bias, but I think it downgraded the quality of the video a bit, because you mostly only told us what the *problems* were with her, not really giving her any credit outside of being somewhat difficult, like you gave to other champs you talked about.
She is busted,the fact that she can do everything she does as well as she does is a problem,there should be some kind of trade off for most things she has a max health % true attack basic ability after 1st item,what is she losing to have that much power. He did not talk about her problems in the context of how good she is to use because she doesn't really have many,He did talk about her problems in the context of facing her thought .
@@indrast5203 she is balanced, sunderer meta made her what you all think of her right now. Im a camille main and i wouldn't care if they just made her not possible to build this item, it'd be better for the whole community of the game and for all the mains that are playing camille bc they like HER champ design, not the winrate they get from her.
@@jrockenjoyer Then she is not balanced as you said because of sunderer meta. She may be fine in a vaccum but in game with the items of the game she is not balanced
@@MrWiented She gets shit on in lane by whom? She has disengage and a shield,the fact that when she uses them and then is vulnerable is completely normal.
No waveclear makes it hard to get back into the game, and when she gets a kill there is a good chance you will lose more xp than your oponement because you cant shove the wave in time. All you have to do to beat camille is properly manage your waves
Camille is one of my favorite champs and i wanna go back to playing her but I hate toplane too much to do that but since I'm in low elo I don't really see her that often
I have a comment and hopefully I don’t come off as rude. If you’re tired of the game sometimes there’s nothing better then just taking a break for some time and then circling back in a few months/years. I think you’ve made a big impact on the TH-cam league community and you shouldn’t feel bad if you just don’t have the passion for making league content rn. It’s never a bad idea to just step away from something for a bit if it truly feels stale and you aren’t enjoying it. That’s my two cents at least
@@Martin-yh7vi tbf in low elo most camille players kinda suck(saying that because im low elo myself lol), she is one of that champs that become greater in higher elo and in better hands
I really dont think Tryndamere can be categorised as "easy to peel off". Like how? He has a super long dash, that goes through walls on basically no cooldown if he crits you and he also has a nasty AOE slow. Tryndamere is one of the most degenerate champions in the game and requires little to no skill.
@@baptistecochennec5956 Trandamere can build Galeforce, making it even harder to kite him, and he can build Quickblades making it so he W's you, walks up to you to kill you, if you flash away, he E's after you, then crits your ONCE and dashes again if you for some reason have a second flash or another mobility spell. If he misses one of his dashes (don't know how bad one has to be to miss that ability) he simply Galeforces on top of you to crit you again and reset his E. Also he kills most squishies with like 2-3 crits. Sure it's possible but I don't see how you can outplay that reliably, while Trynda literally rolls his face across his keyboard.
@@DrUrlf if we are talking about peel we are talking about teamfight okay? If he Dash onto u u use mobility spell and/or available cc then burst it down bc he have no hp he burst ulti then u continue to kite by using other mobility or cc you have I mean yeah he can still do some cool thing if he got a good engage with flash, ghost, ult and gale force ready but that a lots of condition and it will still be worse than an irelia, riven, Camille, Jax, yasuo, yone or Master yi can do if you let them near your botlane
I've played as, and against Camille, so I understand the frustration with her kit. That being said however, she's not broken or OP. Her huge oneshot true damage from her Q is commonly brought up, but that in it self is not the issue, since Riot basically siphoned all the damage from her other abilities into Q. Her Q2 is so much of her damage that if she were to mess up, that could mean losing her team a fight or letting a kill get away. Also, her laning phase, particularly from levels 1-8 is not exactly all smooth sailing, since she's so easy to bully without having sufficient scaling on her Q. Fiora is also not someone she wins against in lane, with her riposte effectively negating any engage Camille might want to pull. I love some of your other videos, but this video comes off as being quite biased.
I mean the video is not biased Camille is a champion as said in the video that is a very HIGH SKILL champion. Ofc if any champion makes a mistake in a fight it can lose them the fight league is a skill game not luck based. But for Camille she is very easy to 1v9 since she is so mobile. Yes she can get stunned and easy she can get chain cc for whatever. But as a top lane one trick her power not mentioned in the video is actually pretty much split pushing and have you tried to 1v1 her solo you literally get one shot no matter which champion you are tanks adc what ever it doesn’t matter your under tower you still die. It not her team fight that broke, the 4 horsewomen or whatever they are are called that because of their 1v1 skills and camille is probably one of the strongest
Yeah as a primarily chogath main, its frustrating having her dictate the lane phase a lot of times as I'm a super slow immobile meatball and she can escape or engage as she pleases and once she gets sunderer oh boy. I remember playing ornn, who is a champion that can do very well early as you can actually bait the shield to be physical then use w+brittle and basically ignore it. Then she got 1 item. I went from being a bit ahead to suddenly being completely unable to really win anything 1v1. Only time I do well into camille is when I play urgot just bc he punishes engage so much. But even then if she doesn't want to fight she doesn't have to. I'll admit I'm not a great player especially with dodging skillshots consistently but man camille just always feels like an exercise in frustration. I'm glad I don't see her too often at the elo I play in
they really did a great job of hitting the mark for their goal on her thematic, she's always so scary with her lines and etc. i dont mind her being giga broken in the top lane this is more than enough lmfao
She is healty for the game cause she counter usnkilled cancer champ. (Ps only shen damage is converted into true damage not on hit like botrk or Titanic hydra)
As a fellow top lane main i feel you, i feel like shes just sooooo broken. Too much true damage on a basic ability and just so hard to either catch or run away from. The champ that i pick against her is ww because he has damage reduction, he doesn't build that much health early and can 1v1 her always within the early to mid game, late game, lets just say u have a kayle because you arent surviving.
Camile is the staple of toplane. If your main gets banned (irelia mains relate here) you'll most likely to pick her. She's a fucking monster regardless of the patch because of her R.
Camille is one of my mains just because of broken she is, camille mains usually claim that champ is not op but ive never once been in a meta where camille wont work, she is so variable to every single game it is insane, i also started maining her because i got destroyed by a diamond 2 camille and it blew my mind how insanely she can dominate the lane
This explains why I felt a burning range against one of my opponents. It's because it was Camille. When she wanted to she could do a lot of damage and if she didn't kill me outright, or just didn't feel like it she could easily get away and there was no way for me to catch her or run away from her. To be fair having an opponent with high(-er) movement speed is frustrating.
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You can bait a Master Yi into using Q, then use her hookshot to fly back under the tower, when Yi appears again, use R and watch him cry
If youre fast enough you can do that to akali too
@@DanOmuu and zed with his w
Wouldn't you be able to do that with any champ that has dashes, though?
@@t-1156 it has to be lock on so they cant disengage
@@t-1156 camilles R makes the cage so he has no option to leave
I love how in the last clip the Veigar immediately flashed from her at full health just to prove why seconds later when she gets on him and obliterates him in an instant
deserved
@/kill @e hi veigar main here too. nah it aint the other way, if a camille is running at me im flashing even if im in fountain
veigar was 4 levels down compared to camille... so it makes sense, wouldn't be fair if he did survive
@@Laqweefa you really think if he was 4 levels up it would've saved him
@@Moon_Sushie @Matias Haramoto he has a way better chance than 4 whole fucking levels down, he was probably the one who fed tf out of her
Apologies for the audio bug around the 8 min mark. I noticed the amount of technical errors are beginning to pop up in my videos more frequently. I’ll make sure my team and I crack down on them to make sure they don’t happen again >_
Try uploading unlisted first in case youtube bugs it out! That way you can watch it back on the actual site instead of TH-cam baiting you
Can you start referencing your music sources please
If I may inquire, what was said in that line?
@Sappy damnit ~_~
Hey one question what about Jax?
When a champ can do about everything and is kept around A-S tier besides rare moments, ofc everyone plays them
She's been d tier for like 6 patches now, sucks
@@marinmarinhola yeah for real she needs big buffs, also renekton
tfw yone is a diver assassin skirmisher
@@paztah2194 and fighter
I mean wukong can do everything and has been strong for 2 seasons but unless he's one of the best champs in the game (like now) he's not that popular in comparison
I just started to pick up camille, being someone who has mostly played low pick rate champs like yorick, illoai, and cho gath. It is very interesting to swap to someone who has a tool for most situations.
Yorick Illaoi and Cho were literally my first 3 m7s
felt that, i play mainly illaoi and yorick top also and just playing some champs that have the higher pick rates is like.. ah i see why everyone and their mother plays them
Cho gath is good actually
They are almost the same with me. Illaoi, Yorick, old Morde and Sejuani. I also went for Camille to add to my pool. It's a champion diff if you have the mechanics.
as a kled main switching to camille i feel you
I wanna see one for each horsewoman of top lane
Riven and fiora arent played so much and so consistently as camille and irelia
@@alekss223 Fiora has had around a 10% pick rate all season…. Riven around 6%
@@Limrick1029 Good and I hope it stays that way.
@@alekss223 its been a LONG time since riven was a OTP only champion
@@171xlr yeah her power right now makes her broken to one trick and good to just play
-old riven otp
I feel like the cho gath ult slapped on her auto attack as well has high mobility and an inescapable ult might be the culprit
yeah so basically her whole kit...
The cho ult thing was a DS prob tho
When I heard “no more heroes” I had an awakening. I forgot that song existed
Ridiculous mobility making for easy engages and escapes.
Extremely tanky especially when the player properly abuses her passive to take free trades.
Stupid amounts of true damage to make melting even the tankiest of opponents a breeze.
Her ultimate that allows for easy gank setups or to completely kill any small chance of survival for the poor soul that you set your sights on whether it be a team fight or 1v1. And oh, I almost forgot to mention that it gives you untargetability, so you can effortlessly outplay anyone’s trump card ability.
is only damage is the q, her team fight presence is null, she can have hard counters matchup, when she falls behind she is not usefull, she can be squishy at some points in the game, she can be focus very fast, and she take quite some skill to do something with her, but this is just my opinion.
@@capitainsalt3347 Team fight presence is null? Bro she's a tank buster that can also delete mages/adcs. She's like a sidegrade Fiora
@@capitainsalt3347 Think youre delusional
@@RaviPatel-lb7uc one morgana shield and root, and a hook like tresh can destroy her kill potentielle
Damn, imagine if she was jungle viable 💀
Nice video as always ^^, and if you feel like it, a video about the four horsewomans of Toplane would be a nice video idea aswell.
a larger problem in her kit that people tend to miss is her passive, it is impossible to lose lane on camille if you trade around it and practically nothing the enemy can do about it since her self peel and disengage are still really strong, all at the same time she is outscaling you
You can bait out her passive. Its a 20 second cooldown early which means you should have a large window of time where you can trade with her if she ever uses it. As long as your are not wasting your abilities that have even longer cds on her passive then its not that hard to deal with.
@@garm2287 Exactly, although she covers everything a champion needs she gets hardly punished in early. The only thing not making her +SSS Tier is the snowbally duelist meta right now like Aatrox, Jax, Riven, Renekton(?), Pantheon, Darius.
@@notyan7032 pantheon is very weak rn
Are you serious? Camille can't win lane in isolation, you need a jungler willing to play for you, and this shouldn't happen because botlane is just the more reliable way to win games.
Camille is a very good champion if you're a top-jungle duo, else its just not, especially because she has some very easy to play champions that just demolish her in lane and the later stages of the game, like Shen and Jax.
everything else with her kit has a lot of parallels to azir
- late game scaler with a safe laning phase with emphasis of controlling when a fight happens
- consistent dps
- massive fucking dash
- designed to be difficult to play but in exchange able to handle just about anything
When piloted well, she might be more broken than even Yone. But thankfully at least unlike Yone she does need some skill to play effectively
Ye that's why I think she's not entirely broken, you can't have a monkey with a cymbal in your skull and be successful on her
Angry Yone mains are coming for you.
Tf u smoking she is easy as fuck
careful bro, Yone mains are gonna come after you and tell you how thier champ is balanced because they can get counter picked in lane and get perma cced by the entire enemy team if the one whos playing him is a brain dead chicken who ults into the middle of the enemy team while being 1/10/3
I literally picked yone up for the first time in aram the other day and got a quadra, he's so bs 😂
I think one of the biggest problems is that she is, yet again, another character whose kit was made to counter a specific class, that being Tanks, with all of the True Damage, %Health damage and mobility she has. That would be fine (and this is coming from an Ornn main), having characters made to counter one specific class isn't the end of the world. The real problem is that, just like Fiora, what makes them stupid strong against Tanks still makes them very strong against everyone else. It's shown very well in a few clips in this video.
At 12:56, you can see Camille 1v1 an Ornn and, if I'm being perfectly honest, it was physically painful to watch as the Ornn tried to fight and got himself killed while Camille walked away with full health after everything. This clip was good for showing that she can destroy Tanks easily. That's what she was made to do so, even though I hate the idea, I'll say it's fine (although the amount she healed WASN'T fine, what the hell even was that?). The problem is that this also translates into other classes.
Half a minute later, at 13:36, we get to witness a Camille start a fight at 1100 HP and, after healing around 500 HP with the Honeyfruit while being damaged by Akali, burst Akali down and comes out still at 1100 HP. At this point, it becomes obvious that Camille just simply has too much. She has very high true damage on a low cooldown and low mana cost, she has high mobility that can be used either to engage or disengage, she can shield against the main type of damage your champion deals when she engages you, she can setup a 1v1 with her ultimate, forcing you to take what is, almost always, a losing fight and, with the right items (as shown in the Akali and Ornn clips), she can lifesteal so much that she can actually come out of an extended fight healthier than she went in. A champion having all of this simply isn't healthy for the game and I fail to understand why Riot keeps making champions with % Max Health True Damage and proceeding to never nerf them in any meaningful way. I can only hope that Riot will one day listen and nerf Camille... and while they're at it maybe they'll delete Fiora from the game as well.
TL;DR: Ornn main complains that Scissor Lady is too strong.
Its pleasure to watch cancer tank getting obliterated
@@tomaszjakubaszko4683 Imagine thinking Ornn is "cancer" when there's champion that can sneeze in his general direction and delete him instantly.
Wtf, never see someone miss type made to amde
@@a_san_t Look, it's a long comment, it's bound to have a few misspelings, and I always write especially fast so I tend to make a few mistakes, sometimes pressing a button a bit earlier than I should.
@@BorntoOrnn yea i know lol, I'm just expressing my amusement
season 14 came and this vid aged like milk
Camille has been S tier for as long as I can remember. If that’s not op I don’t know what is.
She is op in release. She is still op like you cant see camille in D,B or Even A
There people defending Camille especially her Q with “it’s her only damage ability”
@@nem900 she is balanced, sunderer meta made her what you all think of her right now. Im a camille main and i wouldn't care if they just made her not possible to build this item, it'd be better for the whole community of the game and for all the mains that are playing camille bc they like HER champ design, not the winrate they get from her.
@@jrockenjoyer I still hope trinity cami would be viable, but hell I played vs ornn and shen today. Cant even deal dmg to them with trinity, they just outdamage me with full build xD. Divine is the only answer to them if you wish to kill. Unless you are pushing like crazy while ignoring them, then trinity I guess :D
@@jrockenjoyer TBH I think many completed items are too broken right now. Like, the difference from having Sunderer's components to having the whole item is absurd, and it will feel unfair often.
But I think riot would be trolling if they decided to nerf or remove it, because other items are on that level of bullshit as well (or even greater). And some aren't even mythics, like BORK and seraphs.
As a shen/poppy/orn main i fell your pain but i hate to admit she is very fun to play and can easily carry games,i play her when i dont fell like tanking for the team and want to be the star of the game because a fed camille is like a kick in the nuts.
I've been playing LoL on and off for years (I'm very bad but I just play for fun) and you're definitely one of the best if not the best at explaining the game mechanics. I am often very confused when it comes to game play videos, even simple ones. But you break it down and present the concepts in the way that makes it understandable for someone like me. Thank you!
I stand by my point that, if a champion already have high mobility through dashes, they shouldn't be given movement speed bonuses on top. That goes for Camille's Q, Fiora's passive and Akali's passive, just to name a few. Punishing cooldowns is the main counterplay dealing with mobile champions. Zed and LeBlanc are very mobile, but they never feel unfair because the moment they use their stuff, they're wide open for retaliation as their mobility are either their ultimates or are close to 20 seconds. Then you face Akali and even after she uses her stuff, she's still zooming at 500+ movement speed.
mans a fax machine
But that's the reason why Vi became forgotten because she doesn't get any movement speed bonuses..
@@thebernardoespinacovers6081 I think the problem with Vi is not the lack of movement speed buffs after her engage. The problem is these broken champions which have these buffs that makes her obsolete.
The weakness on camile is that she cant all in most champions on an even state. She needs short trades, but short trades on a melle champion arent always the easiest to get. All her abilities are made for short trades.
@@alex2005z and she also has all the tools to make sure the trade is short. You can't just continiue hitting her after she stops, the trade ends when she wants it to end, and that's the problem
Because she thinks she's in attack on titan and deals true damage uwu
Thumder thighs for the win
To me as someone who played her a decent amount on release and only recently picked her up again in the end of last year, she feels like a perfect example of a well designed and well executed champion that is just constantly too strong simply due to how she was made. it's unfortunate but hey
A well-executed champion that's always too strong due to the nature of her execution.
Yea I didn't think he'd call her broken.
she is balanced, sunderer meta made her what you all think of her right now. Im a camille main and i wouldn't care if they just made her not possible to build this item, it'd be better for the whole community of the game and for all the mains that are playing camille bc they like HER champ design, not the winrate they get from her.
@@jrockenjoyer tbh she's even in a weak spot, also trinity is much more fun
The only on hit effect that gets converted to true damage is the spellblade effect, muramana, botrk etc do not get converted
That's all she need.
@@tiptoedestination4756 ngl, that's kinda fucked and scary
bro the wit's end magic on-hit gets converted too 😮💨
Camille is literally the Jack of all trades from everything that's bullshit in the top lane, even if not toxic as some of the other big four, she has everything obnixous about them in her kit. She's to good at not having clear weaknesses.
She has a few weaknesses such as
Wave clear, not high dps and if you just do 1 error you are dead.
If you play perfectly its fine that you are rewarded for that.
Interesting pick of No More Heroes by Aviators, btw. That's one of my favorites from him, so hearing the opening vocals was a nice surprise. (well, if you can call "ooohs" vocals)
Something something high mobility AD scaling true damage something something
so video summary: she is an everyone plays because she is consistently broken anywhere near her skill ceiling.
Overloaded kit that has one of the most broken main mobility tools in league history
It’s not broken just highly effective
She has a bit of everything, but doesnt stand out on anything, maybe mobility.
@@hashteraksgage3281 mobility and maybe damage, but aside from that everything on her kit is fairly well designed and not that big of a deal, but everything at the same time or played by someone really good at camille who can use it well and she becomes one of the strongest characters of the game
Camille i think is a great example of giving a champion everything they need and leaving nothing to be exploited. Champions like Aatrox, Darius, Garen, Gnar to some extent all have some very hard consequences if played badly. I have been trying Camille the past few days and while I am playing at like Low Plat to Gold I can see how a very experienced player can abuse her to the point of never losing a game. If she is played perfectly there is nothing anyone can do to stop her and I think that is good but only if EVERY champion is designed that way which in this game with that many champions and mechanics is impossible. Great vid btw love your takes in game design as I am very interested in those sort of stuff!
Its not a coincidence that Dzukill hit rank 1. He is the best Yone and Camille abuser at the same time.
@@IronKurone Dzukill is regarded as the best Dzukill in the world .
He was top 10 chall even before lethal tempo was reworked playing mostly yas and yone top , before lethal tempo rework, yone top was just only Slightly less troll than yas top in high elo .
Dzukill is genuinely a good player and even yone haters can see that , he has nothing to prove imo .
@@harrysliyoko8809 He has the skill of a god for both Yas an Yone but still, he only reach rank 1 because of abusing 200 years champ like Yone at full potential.
Unpopular opinion: Camille is the most "balanced" out of the 4 riven irelia fiora because
unlike fiora, you can actually punish her when she goes in and doesn't have hookshot - fiora can dance around with her q every 2-3 seconds or so, while critical hitting and dealing max health true damage
Irelia is much more difficult to lane against (in my humble opinion) because she has aoe crowd control (devastating in low elo) and, again, too much healing on her q and is too mobile in fights
riven is just broken op because she can shrug off all damage you deal to her once she gets 2 items with her short cooldown shield and 2 separate stuns, a wide area coverage ult, more burst than camille and have, again, more in-fight mobility
I really respect camille mains because they do not rely on teamfights to win (like irelia and to some extent riven, yasuo, yone...) and they aren't a meatshield and have to rely on sidelaning either (fiora in particular). At least, I prefer to see her rather than irelia, fiora, akali and 200 years gwen in the pro meta. Her and Jayce particularly
Agree, she is more fair to play against (provided that you are not playing tank again sunderer camille) since fucking up her E in laning phase is literally death sentence to her
actually i do play malphite and shen into camille a lot and i can vouch that you can survive, get some cs and then absolutely roll over the map and ignore her. The main problem tanks have, not being able to contest cs, can be solved with lvl 6 and then tp roam I think
Nah irelia the worst out of the 4
Draven refuses to play Camille. For she is committing identity theft against brother Cho'Gath.
Ok
Cho gath ult 4 sec cd KEKW
As someone who played a lot of singed, I really enjoyed this matchup. Flip gave some answers to her abilities, stopping her second Q, cancelling her E, stopping her ult, but you only have the one flip so each interaction is very decisive and it can really go either way. Kind of like the Riven matchup. Fun times.
I feel like her popularity is more about riots refusal to take her out to the top tier of top lane since her release, rather than “precision” mechanics
shoutout to the atmosphere of this video, goddamn. the lighting and music makes the whole thing seem like an investigation into a serial-killer.
which, yunno, it kinda is.
Imagine a champion with a long range dash that stuns...
...and that champion is not a jungler, not a support and has crap waveclear.
What a waste.
Once upon a time Camille was a viable jungler.
I guess keria (t1 support) did play her as support and it did work
she was a jungler but got nerfed against neutrals
Jax: yeah its nice for u to have a true dmg aa, but
نشط: يدخل Jax في Evasion ، وهو موقف دفاعي ، لمدة ثانيتين ، مما يتسبب في تفادي جميع الهجمات الأساسية غير البرجية ضده طوال المدة. يحصل Jax أيضًا على تقليل الضرر بنسبة 25٪ ، مما يقلل الضرر من جميع قدرات منطقة التأثير التي يتم الحصول عليها من أبطال البطل. يمكن إعادة صياغة Counter Strike بعد ثانية واحدة ، ويتم ذلك تلقائيًا بعد انتهاء المدة.
RECAST: يلحق Jax ضررًا جسديًا لجميع الأعداء القريبين ، ويزيد بنسبة 20٪ لكل هجوم يتم تفاديه ، وزيادة تصل إلى 100٪ ، ويصعقهم الصاعقة لمدة ثانية واحدة.
THE SACRED TEXTS!!!
Everyone? She’s much more rare pick than, let’s say, in start / mid S11.
Nowadays Fiora and Wu (if not banned) dominate the scene
I think she has been picked pretty consistently for the past few seasons which might by why.
Or Vars just wants to rant
Again, this series is about champions who have held a big following for a long time, which Camille has.
I remember maining Camille. When she came out I never really saw her played until I left and came back and she was one of if not the best top laners
Holy shit....A League champ Riot made that actually has a thoughtful and well executed design?...I've only heard rumors of such things.
7:55 thought i was having a stroke for a sec
Guess i haven't met "Everyone" cuz i've been playing for a month and haven't seen somebody use her once.
she is more used in high elo, so if ur are in silver or down, ur not going to see her very often
@@bossqueen6278 it s because if you fuck up on her you ll get punished big time
I used to main her (500k) so here is a trick: Sidestep her E at all costs. If you can do it, she will be probably dead even if she has a small lead on you. Darius well played, Fiora and Poppy are main counters since you can W (fiora and poppy) or E (as Darius) while she flies towards you and interrupt her dash, stun and attack speed buff
Fiora is skill matchup and Darius is playable
Gangplank is a nightmare for Camille
The only thing that is 200 years is the fact that her Q deals such a huge ammount of true damage , exept for that I find her design to be one of the best this game has offered ! Feels very smooth , every spell works with each other and the skill cieling on this character is absurd , i love it
7:55 lol i love how it starts cutting out and i hear "this wasnt intentional"
yea i doubt the audio screwing up isnt intentional
that or its my end screwing up, idk
I can agree the numbers are massive. But conceptually speaking, her abilities are so perfect for the kind of character that she is that I can't hate her, even if she kills me in 2 hits. She is a wonderful character with great design, absolutely chilling stories and her abilities are absolutely on-point when it comes to what they do, not how much damage they do.
shes good design with bad balance
I still want that shield passive gone though.
@@jackrush1222 Not what we were talking about, but a valid desire nonetheless.
just make it that her spellblade effects won't become true dmg on second q and she will be better balanced
@@Pteriidae I just think its overkill for her to have shield and kind of goes against her design in my opinion. If your design is all about precision, you do not need a shield since shield in games are commonly associated with committing mistakes. Shields in games are usually for giving players a leeway or forgiving players to commit mistakes a little bit. A champion based on precision shouldn't have that since it should encourage precise calculations and should not encourage committing mistakes and taking risks just because you can since you have a shield.
As a Cho`gath main, Thanks Vars.
I feel like the big thing about camile is that she is a duelist who doesnt want to all in you from an even state. She loses all in to every single duelist. She also doesnt run lethal tempo, so that shows she doesnt want a full on fight. Just a quick trade and wait for cooldowns. Its a different win lane playstile than every other duelist who just wants to start a fight and run you down. As she says "patience isnt a virtue, it is the virtue". You cant rush things on camile. You miss your e and thats a crap ton of damage you just took because you cant proc your passive. Thats why she is balanced in the context of league: you cant rush things on her, and we all know league players have no patience
So you are saying that when you miss your engage spells you get punished, but when you dont you deal half of the enemy laners hp as true dmg. And we talk about the 1.6k range fast hook shot engage right :D. Yeah she is very balanced and well designed /s
@@ReJeCT47 1.6k hookshot only if you are stupid. It does need a wall remember that? And if it was any other duelist they wouldnt do half your hp, they would do all of it
@@ReJeCT47 If you even hit the E, most toplaners will 100-0 you before you kill them. There are a lot of lanes which dont allow Camille to ever use her E aggressively. She slowly loses all of those lanes. Examples: Teemo, Jax, Darius, Fiora, Gwen, Riven Irelia, Tahm, Morde, Illaoi, Wukong and many more!
"camille can preform in every matchup" i would LOVE to see you in jax/renekton matchup
Lets be honest an average camille cant even win against the easiest match up
@@Quaxly6 that's true lol. Most Camille's I encounter can't even beat Garen (her easiest matchup)
@@spy811 yeah the champ is way harder than it seems
nah, i'm with ya vars. i hate her true damage. almost somehow feels like i can't do anything about her no matter what i do. feels similar to yone and how i can't do anything due to his spirit form. i still believe personally if true damage is on a basic ability, it should feel very minimal and big true damage numbers should only be limited to ultimates (and even then straight up full executes still feel like bullshit if on someone like pyke)
yes before anyone asks, i'm just trash at the game and i complain about a lot sometimes.
she is balanced, sunderer meta made her what you all think of her right now. Im a camille main and i wouldn't care if they just made her not possible to build this item, it'd be better for the whole community of the game and for all the mains that are playing camille bc they like HER champ design, not the winrate they get from her.
We already told you she’s not a wep a few polls ago Vars.
I find it annoying that this champion's theme is "precision" when i can guarantee that a champ like gragas takes a lot more accuracy to do well on, and his theme is "big fat drunk man".
She's precision in that everything revolves around her timings. Camille literally has a bunch of clocks goiing at all times. Has she not used q on a minion? You can do a quick trade then leave and you'll avoid the 2nd q. If she qs a minion back off for a bit as her threat has spiked, then when it goes on CD your opportunity opens again
That's what having 95% of your damage in one ability creates, which I would definitely call precision
I agree champs like gragas and gangplank is more precise especially with the barrels. Bursted by barrels is called outplay. Getting R’d and Q’d doesn’t feel like that at all.
This is such a hard cope.
2:26 Jhin experienced a "5" moment
Camille isn't broken. Overtuned a bit, sure, but not broken. Her Q is her **only** source of damage - her E's damage will do maybe 350 damage at full build, which is less than most auto attacks at that point. Her W isn't "sustain" for lane, it's like a 14 health heal in the early game due to it being 5% post-mitigated max health damage. At early levels, that's a heal of about 14-20 health at most... which, if you bought a Doran's Shield, would happen in 5 seconds anyway. Her R's bonus % max health damage is MAGIC damage, which means her Q has no interaction with it.
Basically, Camille's entire kit revolves around hitting her Q's. Since she has no interaction with crit and needs to build tanky to survive long enough to hit those Q's on time, her auto attacks are on the slower end. Not only that, but, *especially* in the early game, charging up her Q is a very coordinated attack that the enemy can simply walk away from. The only way she can guarantee that second Q landing is if she wastes her mobility, which leaves her wide open for retaliation with everything on cooldown.
Her shield is massive because it's only against a single damage type - most champs are designed to have a significant amount of both magic and physical damage in the early game, that alone of which can render her shield pointless. It's not useful until she starts to hunt people down in forced 1v1's, but even then, her team fight presence is on the lower end because she has no in-fight mobility or utility to give her team, like Irelia's R providing a massive zoning tool or Riven's incredible amount of CC or Fiora's team healing if she procs her ult. Camille's ult knocks people back, sure, but it only interacts with one champion after that - other divers have ways to keep zoning up or to enable utility over and over again.
A solid 80% of Camille's damage comes from her Q. Maybe 15% of the remainder is just auto attacks where she can get them, and the last 5% of her other three abilities. Camille isn't broken when she's strong - she's just a little overtuned, or she abuses items that were buffed. Inherently, her kit is relatively balanced and gives Cam a lot more independence and agency over what she wants to do at the cost of wave management and team utility.
its way more then 80% and as said in video, her laning is way too bloody safe, also who cares if q is only source of dmg, you cant itemise against it atm, its like saying illaoi while power is in her e and r
You're proving my point - 90% of Camille's power budget is in her Q, which is time-delayed and extremely choreographed. It has plenty of outplay - and in the early game, that outplay is literally just "walk away."
And Vars heavily overstates how well she scales - she isn't a hypercarry. She can't 1v9 unless it's a super high skilled player piloting her - her weaknesses in the late game are too easily exploited, since it's literally just "1v2 her," which means pretty much her entire identity is killed in a team fight since she doesn't have the same team fight presence of other top lane divers.
Also her wave clear is so bad...
@@tayanasummers not really, she is both good in split adn team fight, if you 1v2 thats good for others anyway, and the thing is, if someone scales harder she usally can beat their ass like yorick or urgot and if they have good laning like a garen, garen should never be able to touch you and you just wait for sunder to be able to do % true dmg, there is no way % true dmg is healthy in any way on a bruiser
@@d4s0n282 I can tell you don’t play her cause she is not good in team fights lol. Her whole kit is based around 1v1 and picking some one off. The most she can do in a 5v5 is ult to push people off the target but that just puts a massive tether on your head for the enemy team and she’s not even tanky.
5:56? Taric needs more personal leway to access hes power, For his E instead of both He can only pick on target to line with, but can move it while channeling, Q Instead of imdeate healing, every cast Increases the regenaration of nearby allies outside of the connected target, They and taric get the instant heal.
P gives taric a MS buff and W stays the same, R Gives taric Increased movespeed, only him and causes allies nearby(attched ally gains less)to be given a shield, depending on how long they stay in the aoe, Then after taric and his attached ally have the invicibility, the shield will decay into healing, like "heal for 30% of the shield taken".
I like how he didn't mention Jax, since he absolutely destroys Camille :)
Also, Tryndamere is in no universe easy early game for Camille, and Volibear is really decent pick into her lane.
Volibear just survives laning vs her,she either beat or outscale him
i mean u can beat a jax as camille early game and no im not talking about low elo, i have seen high elo vods of camille beat jax
@@aro4322 you literally can't lane pass 6 bro
And Teemo
@@aro4322 It's player diff then .
It takes way more from the Camille player to win the Jax lane than the other way around .
I've seem Yasuo players beat Sett / Darius /Garen in lane , it's player diff .
7:53 small audio break just to let you know (loving the vid so far)
was looking for a comment like this
-enemy picks camille
->pick jax and have fun Chads
13:05 did you say "horsewomen"? That's adorable xD
I used to wonder why she had to wait so long to get her 2nd skin :) now, she gets more skin but I still think it's still a small number with a champion like her, I mean she is not that popular but a lot of player like her, I don't understand why Riot don't give her skin more often
I honestly want a legendary skin for her. Riot should do something about it...
its mostly because whomever gets to call the shots with skins seems to have a "get the most amount of money with the least investment" type of mind set when it comes to skins. think about it this way. if a cammile skin costs the same amount of money as a yasuo skin or a lux one would but lux and yasuo sell more, even if the camille skin made a profit the yasuo skin would have made even more. so they have the skin team chained into making skins for the most populer champs with the mid to low tier ones being left in the dust for months if not years because once again even of they are successfull and make money the other champs would have made even more. its shitty as hell and it kills the creativity of the people working on them because they cant go wild or pick the champs that they want for the skins. but thats what we are stuck with unfortunately.
Camille is the only champion that I have Mastery 7 on at the moment. I love playing her, but yeah. She is very powerful. If she didn't synergize so well with Spellblade effects with her Q... she'd still be powerful because of how good the rest of her kit is. Honestly, being able to isolate an enemy with her ultimate is really useful.
Gimme dem salty tears Vars. As a Camille main I love indulging in the suffering of my enemy laners as Camille.
But real talk Camille is a strong champion overall, many of your points in your video, if not all, are completely valid, and have given me an even greater appreciation for Camille
Notice how he never mentioned Jax in anywhere of his video except for talking about skirmishers. Jax is literally unplayable for Camille if you don't beat him pre 6. After he hits 6 and manages to get a first base without being down more than 20cs, you will never beat him 1v1 for the rest of the game.
11:27 isnt Ierlia classified as a diver by Riot? the wiki and league website lists her as such, her R + E into Q's are really "diver like" engage. her passive is what could make her more of a skirmisher, her dps ramps up, its usually stronger by the end of her engage, and if she used only E or only R to start a fight, she is gonna stick to you like a birthmark.
Neither Fiora nor Tryndamere lose lane against Camille, they have a very significant edge over her. And then there's Jax, who is her strongest counter that she legit cannot play the game against unless he's significantly worse of a player, not losing lane and outscaling her hard.
I'm a camille main and I confirm dealing with those guys is so....... hard especially jax. Sometimes Teemo too but I can easily one shot him after I bait his Q.
You know what counters going against those champs? Not playing her top
@@BanditLeader She doesn’t work in any other role, so that’s far from a counter.
@@shinji136 she works in jungle. or at least did before some recent patches
@@BanditLeader Camille hasn't worked in jungle ever since early season 9. She cannot clear ever since she lost her heal on minions and monsters and then her stun on minions and monsters.
20% health shield, % health true damage and 2 screens gap closer?
you also forgot the fact that her design is perfect and really attractive (not from a gameplay PoV) when I started league it was one of the champs that attracted me the most from a visual perspective, she is really badass with the steampunk style, her hair looking really special and her scisors legs. Overall one of the best visual designs in the game besides a deplorably broken kit
This exactly. She was one of the first champs I bought and played because her legs and model just looked dangerous and captivating
i wouldn't say steampunk honestly, too high tech and professional for that
Fiora doesn't lose to Camille in lane!! The lane is ridiculously fio favored at every elo- you can ask any of the high elo cams
Camille breaks the fundamental rule of league of legends; she has a defense of off-tanks with the killing power of an assassin, with a mobility better than most divers.
( also I have 0 idea why the thought on hit on q was a good idea )
Mate, Vi has literally the same but she doesnt even have to lane. Yet I dont see anyone complaining on Vi. Whats the problem with Camille then?
@@MrWiented
1: she needs to do more then press q to win
2: she can be countered without loosing all your health and can be escaped from.
3: she build lethality In order to do damage, while the only damage item she needs is divine sunder and still dose over 1/2 your heath in one.
@@grimlockgreg3063 vi deals more raw damage than camille at all stages. Its just that her damage is split in 4 abilities where as Camillles is mostly in her Q.
7:55 uh, is it just me or was the audio chopped off?
I think we all know why... The toplane situation is so dire right now
Yes, top is “ get behind, enjoy the enemy snowball”
@@grimlockgreg3063 nah it's do nothing for 14 mins, die to the fed enemy bot 3 times and FF
great video, but you forgot jax as counter
Camille is pretty balanced and fair to fight, especially compared to the other horsemen, the only thing that makes her really bad to play against is divine sunderer and that item is a plague for the game in my opinion, but no one dare to think so.
Indeed that item is way to OP on Camille and makes toplane problematic.
@@lennertcommeine9152 not only on Camille
Try building it whenever u are against a tank
The lane instantly become a free match-up
That's not saying much
Nah irelia is the worse atm of the 4 I think, riven and fiora are just too strong then Camille then irelia
The brokenness of her Q is not in the item description for DS; it's in the Q text. Otherwise, she would lose a bunch of that brokenness by taking Trinity, for example. It's her. She's the broken one.
Camille R: *TRAPS ENEMY*
GP: Casually eats orange
I've noticed this a lot, but Riot really likes to release a new champion as an "answer" to metas. Camille was an answer to the tank meta, Vex was an answer to high mobility, Zeri was an answer to lots of shields, etc. Of course, these champions didn't do a lot to change the meta, at least not in the way Riot hopes they could.
2:06
Zoe: *ceases to exist*
Vars: Why EVERYONE Plays: Camille meanwhile Gwen with 12.4% pick rate in 12.10: Am i a joke to you?
This is a series about champions who have held a huge following for a really long time. Not about flavour of the month champions that are otherwise rarely picked like Gwen.
5:45 So zarya Needs an ability the can relocate plant's position, her w is her passive but can be controlled, maybe there could be given a Held version that realeses spore that cause all plants in a 2000 meter radius to terlport around them, relocating them if the teamfight switches, though it is at the cost of losing imedate access to her paissve.
Finally one of my mains is in this series and not in a "Why no one plays"
Gotta love those champions that the only counterplay to them is to not fight them.
If anything, Camille’s counterplay is the exact opposite. She’s a fighter without a combat ultimate, so from levels 6 through 9 or so she loses all ins to almost every single other top laner. Hookshot can be body blocked if she tries to escape with it or interrupted by cc, she has no escapes after using it due to long cd, her dps is very low until she gets two items in a lane where dps is all around high, and this is only for her lane combat counterplay.
Whenever someone created a unit you can use in a game of competition, there must be a factor that balances them down, like a special condition or penalty so that everyone can realisticly compete against them. It's called "Power Taxing" and certain powerful things are taxed with something equivalent of their power. There's a reason why knights can only move in L, because if Knights are given better movement (like directional straight) they ended up overshadowing the Rooks despite moving for less space simply because being able to bypass enemy piece is really vital and in certain case gamebreaking because you can just position a knight to straight direction for easy king lock. There's a reason why Market Gardening is a niche strat because being able to oneshot any of the classes from full (or in certain cases Market Garden a Heavy then shoot them with your secondary for 2-shot) out of nowhere is broken and hard to deal with, because most Trolldiers would use Rocket Jumper and prevent themselves from being able to grab intelligence or deal damage with their primary, and if they commit to non kill situation they pretty much dead meat without shotgun. There's a reason why many retrains of Pot of Greed penalizes you for drawing two cards because being able to draw 2 extra resource freely without penalty in YGO is so broken that Pot of Greed itself is still banned to this day and even banned in Master Duel where some of the most powerful banned cards can be played there. In short, a character/spell/skill/attack being powerful must have its drawbacks that balances out the power they had.
Power Taxing could come in multiple forms. For example, if a character is so strong then something else of them must have been weak or make those powers conditional, like if the character has strong damaging power but can't take too much damage and has long skill cast duration and/or cooldown, or if the character is very strong and resilient but practically immobile and requires you to time your blocks for counterattack, or if character is horrendously strong regardless of capability but make it so they would only be playable at the 11th out of 12 hour of the game, like the Gotoh archetype in Fire Emblem games. If an ability or skill is powerful then it should be powerful in only 1 or 2 aspects, like a very damaging attack with long range must not be completely spammable (either by cast speed or consuming resources) and/or easy to cast, or ability being spammable and easy to cast musn't be very damaging and/or having long range, if an ability have certain capability to turn the game around like a wide-ranged crowd control, then it can't be spammable and/or easy to cast. Power Taxing also needs to take account for what happened when using said powerful character or ability, like if you miss a dive in a certain character then you can't just escape willy nilly away from danger and had to take account of dealing with everything else after successful attempts. If you failed at casting that ability, you will be punished, and if you succeed, then you still can be punished by anyone who can circumvent its effect, like the ability not strong enough to score a takedown against the intended target and left you vulnerable, or successfully scoring a takedown with the ability leaves you vulnerable to any other incoming threats, its a synergy that keeps a metagame from being stale, is that everything has a condition that each every one in the can exploit with and against, like a rocket tag gameplay, but less explosive and more subtle.
In short, almost every form of power taxing makes competitive game fun, because you can never be so sure that you can consistenly win every matchup because of strength and weakness of the character or ability you're using.
Then there's that one form of power taxing, the form of power taxing that basically everyone hates. Some of you may already have known this, but maybe you guys didn't realize it yet. We all know them as "Skill Based Power Taxing". What's that, you ask? Well, it's basically just regular power taxing, but the entire taxing is solely based on how player handles the character and/or the abilities. These kinds of power taxing ensures that the only weakness that character or ability had is because the player handling them is bad. Skill based power taxing is surprisingly common in a lot of multiplayer games, either by making the character/ability have high numbers but make them unwieldy to control or cast unless you master it, or make the character/ability numbers low but allow them to be able to do anything they need when they have the skill. In paper, these kinds of power taxing sounds promising way too promising in fact. If a character/ability were too powerful by either having raw numbers or multipler, or the character being able to literally do anything on demand, they are balanced by having difficult to execute controls or having numbers so low it practically balances it out. In practice however, these power taxing can be easily be detracted by anyone who can master them, if not outright being nullified by said skill. So if a character/ability does have cumbersome controls, does it really matter if a pro can singlehandedly execute it in near pixel-perfect for an easy play anytime? Low numbers doesn't really matter if you can literally do anything with them, especially if they were spammable, because high level players can easily turn the weakling into utilitarian nightmare to fight against (like being able to avoid being hit at all). The taxing it provides is so lopsided in player's favor that the only reason why they aren't completely flooring the metagame is because the statistics also shows the people who loses it, which includes low-ranked players who uses them who has yet to master their 'difficulties'.
This is the reason why i hate characters such as Camille, Yone, Akshan, The Aegis Twins, Chaparral 2J, Pre-nerf Reserve Pyros, Brigitte, Leroy Smith, the entire Sky Strikers, and many more high tier units but difficult to use or has low numbers (never both of them at once). Competing against them isn't fun, and you had to compete with something that's equally as broken just to keep up. They can't be fully balanced unless they have to completely overhaul them from the ground-up. They have so much power that they basically detracting the fundaments of the game and making the entire game relating to them instead of making them relating to the game. Attempts are made to basically boot them out of the metagame by nerfing them to the ground that they're unplayable or just permabanning them for competitive outright, but i just hate it that the only way they were able to balance them out is through bandaid solutions.
Hey, @Vars, if you ever see this, please spread the word and tell everyone why power taxing is important and why skill based power taxing shouldn't exist.
I love the comparison to the 4 horsemen
Though the points you talked about were all great, informative and true, I could tell the whole time you disliked her, and I was ensured at the end. It's not a problem that you have a bias, but I think it downgraded the quality of the video a bit, because you mostly only told us what the *problems* were with her, not really giving her any credit outside of being somewhat difficult, like you gave to other champs you talked about.
She is busted,the fact that she can do everything she does as well as she does is a problem,there should be some kind of trade off for most things she has a max health % true attack basic ability after 1st item,what is she losing to have that much power.
He did not talk about her problems in the context of how good she is to use because she doesn't really have many,He did talk about her problems in the context of facing her thought .
@@indrast5203 she is balanced, sunderer meta made her what you all think of her right now. Im a camille main and i wouldn't care if they just made her not possible to build this item, it'd be better for the whole community of the game and for all the mains that are playing camille bc they like HER champ design, not the winrate they get from her.
@@jrockenjoyer Then she is not balanced as you said because of sunderer meta.
She may be fine in a vaccum but in game with the items of the game she is not balanced
@@indrast5203 she gets shit on in lane by most toplane champions so if you let her get to sunderer for free, ofc she will look busted.
@@MrWiented She gets shit on in lane by whom?
She has disengage and a shield,the fact that when she uses them and then is vulnerable is completely normal.
7:53 i think there is a slight mix up with the audio happening. you might wanna check it out. other then that the video is great as usuall ^^
No waveclear makes it hard to get back into the game, and when she gets a kill there is a good chance you will lose more xp than your oponement because you cant shove the wave in time.
All you have to do to beat camille is properly manage your waves
Camille is one of my favorite champs and i wanna go back to playing her but I hate toplane too much to do that but since I'm in low elo I don't really see her that often
I have a comment and hopefully I don’t come off as rude. If you’re tired of the game sometimes there’s nothing better then just taking a break for some time and then circling back in a few months/years. I think you’ve made a big impact on the TH-cam league community and you shouldn’t feel bad if you just don’t have the passion for making league content rn. It’s never a bad idea to just step away from something for a bit if it truly feels stale and you aren’t enjoying it. That’s my two cents at least
9:56 Gwen too I believe
Everyone? She is kinda no one when not broken, she has 3% pickrate in all elos atm
She has been consistenly in the meta for multiple seasons now.
@@mozzy2968 and her pickrate is still 3% all ranks lol
@@bufx5247 Yea cause diamond+ has a lot of players
as a self proclaimed urgot main i need to play with those legs
For some reason,i always felt like Camille was one of the "why nobody plays" category.
It maybe is cuz she is present in diamond+ and i am silver
You wouldn't want to face a Camille every game now would you?
@@Martin-yh7vi tbf in low elo most camille players kinda suck(saying that because im low elo myself lol), she is one of that champs that become greater in higher elo and in better hands
I prefer when you show the text of the abilities you're talking about so I can pause there if I'm not familiar with the champion.
I really dont think Tryndamere can be categorised as "easy to peel off". Like how? He has a super long dash, that goes through walls on basically no cooldown if he crits you and he also has a nasty AOE slow. Tryndamere is one of the most degenerate champions in the game and requires little to no skill.
Trynda is easy to peel, his mobility his straight af, if he don't hit he can dash again and he can only fight for about 5 second
@@baptistecochennec5956 Trandamere can build Galeforce, making it even harder to kite him, and he can build Quickblades making it so he W's you, walks up to you to kill you, if you flash away, he E's after you, then crits your ONCE and dashes again if you for some reason have a second flash or another mobility spell. If he misses one of his dashes (don't know how bad one has to be to miss that ability) he simply Galeforces on top of you to crit you again and reset his E. Also he kills most squishies with like 2-3 crits. Sure it's possible but I don't see how you can outplay that reliably, while Trynda literally rolls his face across his keyboard.
@@DrUrlf if we are talking about peel we are talking about teamfight okay? If he Dash onto u u use mobility spell and/or available cc then burst it down bc he have no hp he burst ulti then u continue to kite by using other mobility or cc you have
I mean yeah he can still do some cool thing if he got a good engage with flash, ghost, ult and gale force ready but that a lots of condition and it will still be worse than an irelia, riven, Camille, Jax, yasuo, yone or Master yi can do if you let them near your botlane
My guy, great content as always. You gotta look into using a de-esser tho. Your S's are really sharp.
I've played as, and against Camille, so I understand the frustration with her kit. That being said however, she's not broken or OP. Her huge oneshot true damage from her Q is commonly brought up, but that in it self is not the issue, since Riot basically siphoned all the damage from her other abilities into Q. Her Q2 is so much of her damage that if she were to mess up, that could mean losing her team a fight or letting a kill get away. Also, her laning phase, particularly from levels 1-8 is not exactly all smooth sailing, since she's so easy to bully without having sufficient scaling on her Q. Fiora is also not someone she wins against in lane, with her riposte effectively negating any engage Camille might want to pull.
I love some of your other videos, but this video comes off as being quite biased.
I mean the video is not biased Camille is a champion as said in the video that is a very HIGH SKILL champion. Ofc if any champion makes a mistake in a fight it can lose them the fight league is a skill game not luck based. But for Camille she is very easy to 1v9 since she is so mobile. Yes she can get stunned and easy she can get chain cc for whatever. But as a top lane one trick her power not mentioned in the video is actually pretty much split pushing and have you tried to 1v1 her solo you literally get one shot no matter which champion you are tanks adc what ever it doesn’t matter your under tower you still die. It not her team fight that broke, the 4 horsewomen or whatever they are are called that because of their 1v1 skills and camille is probably one of the strongest
Yeah as a primarily chogath main, its frustrating having her dictate the lane phase a lot of times as I'm a super slow immobile meatball and she can escape or engage as she pleases and once she gets sunderer oh boy.
I remember playing ornn, who is a champion that can do very well early as you can actually bait the shield to be physical then use w+brittle and basically ignore it. Then she got 1 item. I went from being a bit ahead to suddenly being completely unable to really win anything 1v1.
Only time I do well into camille is when I play urgot just bc he punishes engage so much. But even then if she doesn't want to fight she doesn't have to.
I'll admit I'm not a great player especially with dodging skillshots consistently but man camille just always feels like an exercise in frustration. I'm glad I don't see her too often at the elo I play in
You must be really bad if you lose against Camille as Cho'gath in lane
god i loved this champ since the day they released her. her playstyle is amazing and her personality and voice lines are seriously top tier imo
they really did a great job of hitting the mark for their goal on her thematic, she's always so scary with her lines and etc. i dont mind her being giga broken in the top lane this is more than enough lmfao
She is healty for the game cause she counter usnkilled cancer champ.
(Ps only shen damage is converted into true damage not on hit like botrk or Titanic hydra)
As a fellow top lane main i feel you, i feel like shes just sooooo broken. Too much true damage on a basic ability and just so hard to either catch or run away from. The champ that i pick against her is ww because he has damage reduction, he doesn't build that much health early and can 1v1 her always within the early to mid game, late game, lets just say u have a kayle because you arent surviving.
dmg reduction doesnt work against true dmg. Theres so many champs that dont let her play the game and ww isnt one of them
Bro, so many champions shit on Camille and you pick WW into her? Ita basicaly a free scalling lane for Camille.
Camile is the staple of toplane. If your main gets banned (irelia mains relate here) you'll most likely to pick her. She's a fucking monster regardless of the patch because of her R.
Camille is one of my mains just because of broken she is, camille mains usually claim that champ is not op but ive never once been in a meta where camille wont work, she is so variable to every single game it is insane, i also started maining her because i got destroyed by a diamond 2 camille and it blew my mind how insanely she can dominate the lane
Yeah, I absolutely hate her. I lost a game by she carried her almost useless team...
Yes you can kinda just switch your playstyle depending on matchup.
Ye first timing camille in bronze does blow the players mind
7:55 made me think I was having a stroke. LOL
Conqueror-Trinity Camille was manageable
Grasp-Sunderer is broken.
sunderer is doodoo tho,its only good to contain the wholesome reddit champs like sion and ornn lol
This explains why I felt a burning range against one of my opponents. It's because it was Camille. When she wanted to she could do a lot of damage and if she didn't kill me outright, or just didn't feel like it she could easily get away and there was no way for me to catch her or run away from her. To be fair having an opponent with high(-er) movement speed is frustrating.