I REALLY Hated The Hummer H1: Until I Drove One... WOW!
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#Hummer #H1
I drive my 97 HMCS daily. Love everything about her. No other vehicle can compare for it's capabilities from the factory.
I daily my 1998 H1 and have owned it since 2006. I live in a popular beach town where people boat launch from the beach it is always nice to rescue folks who get stuck it also works great for around the property pulling trees out etc.
A few things from the video is that the slantback top on this truck is aftermarket, although they did make factory slantbacks but only available in 2000 models and only 40 were built before AM General was served a lawsuit by the aftermarket slantback manufacturer Cal Gold which makes them highly sought after. As you stated the Cal Gold top can be removed in 3 separate pieces however it was a pain due to amount of fasteners, weight of the tops, and leaking issues which required a bead of silicon between each section.. So it definitely was not something people would do.. I ended up selling my Cal Gold due to this and a few other issues.. The factory top was even more of a permanent top.
The middle jump seat was a factory option/purchase which I purchased mine from the dealership, also the exhaust on this truck is not factory, the muffler is located between the framerails on the stock configuration and not within the wheel well but the exhaust pipe does route up in the wheel well on the stock configuration for deep water fording as you stated.
The winch was a factory option with the Warn M12000 winch but it is hard to say if that is what was on this truck. As for the lockers the BTM(Brake Throttle Modulation) was available up until 1998 then due to regulations in 1999 they had to install ABS which made the BTM impossible so they installed TT4(Torque Trac 4) and also offered an option e-locker as well.
Very interesting insights! Thanks!
How are the running maintenance costs? Availability of parts?
@@dougf1592 for Hummer H1 specific interior parts, they are becoming hard to find(OEM atleast).. However there are aftermarket interior kits but they are pricey...
However mechanical parts are mostly shared with the HMMWV's so parts available on those are pretty good.. However anything specific to the platform you likely aren't going to local parts store to get.. Unless it was used in another vehicle.
Maintenance isn't too bad, similar to another truck with a 6.5L diesel.. However it does have inboard brakes and geared hubs so those items add to maintenance/costs especially if you aren't doing it yourself.
I daily a HMMWV - if you have a short commute, it's perfectly reasonable.
One thing you guys didn't touch on is the size of it. While a very wide vehicle, it's only 180" long, which is about 4 feet shorter than any full size truck. It has a fairly small bed, think Chevy Avalanche, but it can very easily fit in my garage. MPG is atrocious, as expected, but the smiles, waves, thumbs-up, etc. makes it worth it.
Same, mpg really isn't bad for what it is, and if you be easy on taking off, it saves pretty good on mpg. You actually get way more cargo space in these if you don't have it configured as a pickup. The best part with the cargo space is you can pass things from the bed all the way up to the driver compartment. I have the communication box top on mines.
@@hummerguy the Detroits were always an efficient motor
Smiles Per Gallon always makes up for paying more at the pump.
Remember to change the oil in hubs and differential. Use amsoil 90w
That truck is a HMCO , soft top with the Cal Gold / Gypsy Rack Slant back kit. The Factory slant backs were limited to one model year and less than a dozen trucks. They have a rounded-out back, windshield wipers and marker lights on the rear door and interior plastic trim to fill out in the inside. Cal Gold sued AM General to get an injunction against making Slantback factory trucks which is why there is so few of them. There was enough OEM parts left over where some owners tracked down factory parts and got the conversion done. There's a few of those. I personally know of a 1992 LE and a 2006 Alpha that had that work done.
In order to truly hate something you have to understand it. I don't think you actually hated this truck. You just disliked it and misunderstood it.
It's still just absolutely mind blowing that yes, if you lived in Canada or the US in the time period that these were sold new, you could experience driving what was essentially a military vehicle down your suburban street. What a time to be alive.
2 things, I'm surprised no one mentioned the incredibly tight 26.5ft turning radius, and there was also a VERY rare civilian single cab H1 that looked awesome!
I drove the military ones and they feel like you're re-entering Earth's atmosphere in a trashcan when you're on the highway
Additionally, 1997.5 and newer had way better HVAC. The H1 Alpha was an amazing package in the last years. After 1997, I believe all were turbo diesel or gas (no more na diesel). The trucks actually drive great once you get the tires balanced and make sure there is no slip in the pitman arms (multiple pitman arms). There is a strong community of owners that wrench on their own trucks and all the issues are pretty known and easy sort out.
Agree 100% Mine was a total pleasure to drive on the road. It had a relatively low center of gravity and the wheels way out in the corners. As a result, it actually handled well on the road as well as off.
You could special order an NA diesel but few did.
Most HMMWV come with a poor mans winch. Your version has the mount, but it is missing. The 4 lugs in the center of the hubs is for a part found on most military versions. You stick a bar through it, tie a rope around it, and drive. You do this on both sides and it winds itself in. Refer to the old military field manual. You might learn a neat trick or two. FM 20-22.
In the civilian world, we use the 4 hub lug mounts to put a full 17" wheel protector on for offroading.
Need to take one of these to tumbleweed, see how it does vs modern off roaders!
If they understand how to BTM it, it will do *very* well :-)
Too wide for a couple sections i expect, but otherwise would kill it
It's too wide and heavy for most of the trails in the woods I've run in Ohio.
sorry I'm commenting as I'm watching. The 4WD thing you are talking about with the braking and throttling is called BTM (Brake Throttle Modulation). The first time I used mine was on ice going over a bridge and it literally saved my ass. The trick is revving it with the brakes fully on to about 1700 rpm, then letting off slowly. It's honestly one of the most amazing things ever, and also one of the reasons I keep my truck in case of some emergency and you really need to be able to get out of a bad situation.
I'm 6'2" and 255 on a good day, and I totally disagree with the room. I am now also driving a jeep and I feel like im in a clown car. There's tons of room to drive.
also I suggest you don't call CTIS "SEETIS" to anyone. Keep that to yourself.
map lights are not anything ever offered. Defrost button was not offered. You can see defrost right on the HVAC controls. These are custom mods as well as that red dash thing whatever that is.
again I'm 6.2 and there is no lack of leg or shoulder room. There must be a mod or something. I can move my seat back very comfortably and I have way more room in the jeep.
middle seat is an accessory. Yes you are right that the back seat is tight for a tall guy but not a problem in width.
no clue on that hummer headliner. it is not a factory thing. Someobody did some bad mods to this truck
passenger seat? yeah sucks. they have some knee mod you can do but still this truck was made for the driver.
there is no temp compass in that year H1 that I know of, and you are driving a modded up H1 with a third party slant back so yeah, no view.
and that exhaust? nowhere near correct. The muffler is underneath. I have no idea why they would place it up there. It's literally never been that way.
and again, third party slant back. They did run a limited series slant back but this is not it which it why it appears to be removeable
Yeah this truck has been butchered unfortunately. The exhaust is fixable... the dash though is NLA and so it's just a lost cause.
These things are actually awesome with a modern 6.6 LBZ or newer Duramax and a newer 5/6 speed transmission. Still gets 10 mpg though, no amount of torque can help that
I have a little piece of the hummer/humvee in my 92k1500 being it's a 6.2 diesel. Love it even if it's slow as hell
In the actual military one at 6’2 my knees touched the dash and the seat didn’t go forward and backward Or lean, one setting
As someone who spent a lot of time behind the wheel of a HMMWV in Afghanistan they're absolute monsters off road. Between real world and off road training I've done some insane things in one those. That short and wide wheel base makes a HMMWV an absolute monster.
Jonathan:
If only you could ride in one with these seats and the lighter coil springs...
Riden/driven in both- own a 95 civi.
The ride is soooo much better with those two changes.
Then adding a turbo and cranking up the fuel makes it a more normal to drive truck.
Five or six years ago I purchased an old military surplus 1994 model it just has a truck cab with a bed on it.
I bought it strictly to haul round bales of hay in the river bottom.
It has the old lame dog 6.2 before the turbo came out. Those old slugs have to be plugged in all of the time to crank because of those sorry glow plugs but i’ll tell you one thing it will absolutely go anywhere because it is basically a law of physics, if you don’t have the power to spin the wheels you cannot get stuck. 🤣.
In the five or six years I have owned it I’ve put about 3000 miles on it in some of the nastiest mud and water you can imagine and I have never spent a dime on it because really there is nothing to break on that old military model.
The 6.5 is the same engine, just bored out with the turbo. They had a problem with thin cylinder walls overheating/cracking until the Navistar redesigned blocks.
I tried going the block heater route with my 6.2 and couldn't get a block heater that didn't burn out in a week. Even set up on a timer so the heater would come on a few hours before I had to fire it up, they all failed. I found the best thing to do was a manual glow plug switch, and a battery tender. By far the one thing that has the most impact after a sub zero night is weak batteries. I use an on-board battery tender and just plug that in overnight, I don't even think about block heaters anymore. Summer time is a different story, unless it's been sitting for a while you won't even hear the starter engage before it fires up.
There are aspects of them that are a bitch to work on,such as front drivers side brake rotor/caliper setup.I've driven them in the military plus rebuilt them at the depot I work at,it's a pos.They aren't really for tall people,the aluminum support beam in back of the front seats cuts down on the front seat room.
The later civilian models (I believe after 95) didn't have that metal bar. I'm 6'6" and daily drive my H1's.
@@nothingtoseaheardammit "H1's" 😳
1995 doesn’t have them.
@@hummervs3278 ratio since it doesnt have them
This is not a real slantback or even a well done knock off. It’s an opentop with a kit on it. The CTIS is not working. Someone also repainted it. The middle seat was an option.
The guy running the electrical contracting company that I worked for in 1997 had a white 4 door truck variant. He only drove it for a short time because he didn’t like it and one of the line crews ended up driving it. I got to drive it several times on and off road. I loved it. It was awesome.
I looked up the size of the H1 and surprisingly it is not very long or wide. It is shorter in length than even modern sedans and about as wide as most modern full size trucks.
On the truck shown, the CTIS must be inoperable given the gauge showing 0 and almost 0 on the 2 needles. I'm also pretty sure that this particular truck was not made as a slantback by AMG. The way the roof sits in relation to the windshield makes it look like an aftermarket option. -There's nothing wrong with that of course, but I don't think this truck was born as a slantback.
I agree, that does not look OEM.
It was Chrysler that tried to sue GM, but they lost because they didn't seem to know the history of there own vehicles...lol
AM General is Jeep's military division, so they have every right to use the 7 slot grill.
True story.
Once you drive a hummer of road. You’ll love it.
Same as a G wagon. Any year.
Always wanted one of these but damn for the price a H1 or a new Jeep or bronco now some of these are still over 100k
ive always wanted one, but not al fancied up like this, i want one that looks like it just got back from iraq lol
Cool color and just a crazy offroad vehicle.
side note: from my personal experience, a Cummins engine may be better suited for them
Cummins I-6 won't fit because of it's length. The Duramax barely it and they had to do a lot of things to get the Duramax to fit. Maybe the 5.0L Cummins ISV would fit.
I don't know many situation other than racing engines where a Cummins isn't the best bet🤙
@@The_Opinion_of_Matt then it’d make for a fun custom fabrication project! Especially for a “father and son” project.
I don’t have a family of my own yet so this will be a bucket list idea for sure.
@@TheAwesomeFossum I appreciate your enthusiasm, but it wouldn't be a matter of putting a few dents in the firewall or cutting the hood so it will fit. A Cummins Inline six is just physically too long. It would at a minimum interfere with the radiators and may interfere with the front drive train. Not sure exactly. I did look up the to length of the engine blocks for the Detroit 6.5L diesel V8 and the Cummins 5.9L I6. I looked up the 5.9L because I figured it would have a better chance of fitting. It took quite a few minutes and I had to search "length of engine block". Anyway, the Detroit 6.5L V8 is listed as 30 inches long, 26 inches wide, and 26 inches tall. The same website listed the Cummins 5.9L 6BT as 40 inches long, 24.9 inches wide, and 37.9 inches tall. Writing that I realized the Cummins 5.9 is taller than the tires on the HMMWV.
This is why I suggested the Cummins ISV5.0. I couldn't find dimensions for the ISV though, but being that it is a V8 with a lower displacement I can reason that it might fit. Don't look down on the ISV engine though. Nissan flubbed the emissions equipment for it on the Titan XD which caused reliability problems (lost coolant from the EGR system), but I heard they put a detuned version in other vehicles like city buses.
@@The_Opinion_of_Matt I recall hearing about challenges with the height of the Cummins engine. A couple of folks I knew, had to add body lifts to their H1's to complete the Cummins install
You guys should go to the military auction and buy a surplus Humvee! I have seen these auction and would love your take on the process and what kind of work the surplus humvees need or don't need.
The surplus HMMWV pickings are slimming out. Over the past couple months, the vast majority of auctioned HMMWV's have been non-running and needing major work.
Also Colorado won't let you register a HMMWV for on-road use - unlike the H1 which has a 17 Digit VIN and is legal in all 50 states (a big reason why H1's are much more expensive than HMMWV's)
Now try getting in while wearing full sapies and carrying a 240
tbh you're better off buying a mil version and retrofitting it yourself.
Call me crazy, but I'll daily tf outta this over my humvee. I daily drive my humvee and love it because of how well it handles and its pretty small as well if you aren't talking about the width of it. Plus for its size, it has a ton of cargo space since its not taken over by a bunch of air bags and plastic
Seriously look into better seats and the lighter springs. Makes a hmmwv ride so much better.
@@hummervs3278 I probably will, I thought about getting the suspension setup from the newer humvees, I heard they ride much better than the older 10k suspension
@@hummerguy idk which you refer to. Most new hmmwvs have 12,000lbs springs for the additional weight.
Just get springs for an open top hummer- hmco. I have them in mine still and when loaded down I get to 10,000 lbs. They handle the weight good and I get a good ride.
The Cepek (rancho) shocks make a nice difference too.
Dang wish I was around for this one :)
from having had 2 of them on my floor , both owned by the same guy and funnily enough both bought from the first owner by himself , the first owner being a well known celebrity who had bought over these cars for his game farm , both cars were 4 seat in the cab pick up trucks , one having had the back converted into a fully enclosed game viewer . one was petrol and one was a diesel , 6.5 non turbo . I drove them both and they were fun to drive , a bit like the defender in cabin proportions with a huge transmission tunnel in the middle for fun , the diesel was the happier engine even if it was as slow as a snail . I can tell you , once you learn the tricks , she is pretty good offroad , do you know why they were so wide ? they were designed to drive in tank tracks !
The fantasy is Always better than the reality.
love to drive it not to own though
Slant back is the best looking, brings back memories.
The rpm guage says diesel because diesels need special rom guages, they don't have spark, why am I telling you this your the car guy right?
I love it, but it needs an OEM steering wheel to be perfect.
I own a 96 soft top. I disagree with the visability. It's basically a brick shape, so unlike modern card that have all kinds of curves that you can't see, you can easily estimate the corner because it just goes straight down. Infinitely easier to parallel park than a regular car too
Agree
Tommy really has issues with visibility. Both the H1 and the FJ (both vehicles I own) are not Tommy approved as far as visibility :D
@@nothingtoseaheardammit Yea, agree, I wonder what he would say about APC's visibilities. I have a BRDM 2 that I haven't really taken down the road yet, that thing has horrible visibility
I love my HMMWV. Daily driver for 3 yrs now
Someone needs to hellcat swap one of these
That horn button on the stalk had me laughing!
Great idea getting these obscure unique vehicles from dealers to review. That thing is huge. Thanks guys
They're not as big as they look. Narrower than a F150 Raptor, Bronco Raptor and TRX.
I love that my Alabama-made “shopping mom GLE” has more HP and torque that this big diesel tank!!
Conservative power for reliability. It's like how the f450 and up have a lower power version of the 6.7 power stroke. I know you probably didn't know that so I won't ream you for it.
Remember this thing was developed and designed in the 70's, made starting in the 80's and had only very small incremental upgrades up until 2004. Thanks to the geared hubs, the thing has insane torque at the wheels - so much that with trucks that don't have factory winches or brushguards, you can literally drive up a wall with them.
I can believe they missed the opportunity to stack a cooler instead of that small seat
Thats not a factory slant back, They are not factory lockers, There was only 3 engine choices total at most during 1 year.........Someone bought this truck, slapped and aftermarket roof kit on it, and then painted literally the whole thing with no attention to tape off...... CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP
Naturally aspirated with Gleason torsion difs not turbo or locker
Middleseat is great for kids... safe, beccause side seats didnt provide any safety. Its aluminium doors and constrution and you seat tuck between it and frame... if something hit you. You will be done.
If you are looking for a H1, do yourself a favor and REALLY research the vehicle you're about to buy. It's not complicated, just different. If you get a pre 2001 truck, try to find out if the engine has already been replaced (because if not, budget $10-15k for a new one)
Also "its not something you want as a daily driver". I disagree.. I daily my H1 and its amazing.
That high rear seat made for a nice touch for civilian use but was just a platform for the turret machine gunner. There was a seat on that platform if you had an antitank cannon on your Humvee
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's not actually one of the 40 Slantbacks but a HMC4 (soft top) with a California Gold top
Such a beast. Cool. But I would not put a small sportscar steering wheel in mine.
The problem is this is absurdly oversized for a 4 passenger military vehicle, a design disaster. It was the replacement for the Willys Jeep.
It’s not a tank. Tanks have tracks. Stop calling it something it’s not.
Mmm a video on this hummer vs bronco sport tommy?
9:01 - horn button is fun. My dad’s old Fairmont had that kind of horn button.
FYI they did not come with a factory winch
I have always wanted one. They aren’t for the frilly people of today tho.
I work at a auto body shop and we had one come in it was to wide to fit in are garage I had to work on it outside they are a bitch to work on
Not sure what is worse, the paint job or the boo boo roof conversion. Put the soft top back on!
I love hummers but after driving one they aren't that great
The one you want is the H1 Alpha with the Duramax and Allison...
Yeah, but you could buy three of these for the price of an Alpha.
The real question is how many gallons per mile are we looking at?
this vs the cummins 2500 in a TUG O WAR!
12:25 oh sheeet she's sweating!
2500 would not have a chance. 1.91 to 1 Portal hubs, full time awd and locked 4x4. BTM IF it slips at all. The torque at the wheel of an h1 is far more than any pickup.
Tommy let's remember that AM General, is GM.
I actually like my gladiator much better than a hummer.
She cried a tear when you threatened to bring her on the main road LMAO!
There was no middle seat in the military version, that's were the turret gunner stood.
Dang. That is a civilian version of the M1026 gun truck used in the Army. The M1026 had a 6.2L non turbo. The 6.5L is the same engine as the M1114 and M1151 up armored. A pooch engine. But for the civilian version I bet it's quick.
As others have mentioned, as a 1997 that's not an OEM slantback. They only made 40 of those at the factory and they are VERY VERY sought after. This particular truck looks like the CTIS system has been disabled and the dash has been mangled. Never buy a truck where the plastic has been drilled into - you can't get those parts anymore.
Thank you, Tommy. Love the HUMVEE. As wide as the vehicle is, that wide tunnel, makes it narrow seating even your narrow hips. Good review
many years ago i had a job at a radio station as a laborer.... i did things like help setup events, mowing grass under the transmitter towers, janitorial work.... you name it, i did it
they had a hummer H1 as a promotional vehicle, i rode in it several times. eventually someone didnt check the oil and it spun a rod bearing..... oops, big oops actually. this was over 20 years ago, late 1990's
A 3/4 ton Suburban with the H1 suspension would've been vastly superior to the H1.
Is that Ginger from Epic Adventure Outfitters?
Really cool video to watch. I worked on the military version for several years and noted the differences. The 6.5 paired to the 4spd was a huge improvement over the 6.2 which was hooked to a 3spd. And yes. The seating is very cramped. And I've never seen seats installed in the middle of the rear like that. That's either unique to the civilian model or it's aftermarket. Also new to me is the CTIS which is common in bigger military trucks but not HMMWV.
I'm curious where they put the ac condensors. When they retrofit military HMMWVs with it, they installed them over the rear wheels where I see the exhaust is located. Before the suspension upgrades, they would hit pumps in the road causing the tire to impact the condensers making the AC worthless. They are a pain to replace and we did it MANY times!
The middle sest was an option yes but not standard most opted for just the 4 seat configuration as you can see it wasn't very practical anyway and if my memory serves me right the military version also did have brackets where you could mount another seat for emergency or last minute situations but from my experience in the military you wouldn't want to try to squeeze 5 grown men in battle rattle in a humvee 🤣
@@jhomrich89 no lol. And in my experience, the only time a fifth guy was added, he was a gunner standing up there. Or it was a pickup with benches along the rails but those weren't used downrange.
I drove one a LOT in the army. We used JP8 in Germany which allowed the hummer to go pretty fast. They are wide so there is a learning curve.
Awesome job and great the dealership was able to provide you with a unique vehicle and good advertisement for them too. Always thought these were cool and was able to drive a cavilian one too.
Not a daily driver, but a tow vehicle?! I got a boat!! Would love to see the faces when I tow down to the dock with this!!
The H1 is my dream truck
That after Center seat is an aftermarket product and the slant back is an aftermarket basically that was open top H1 Hummer that someone converted to a slant
I believe these use Torsen limited slip differentials. There are no clutches, they "lock up" using only gears, so they are very robust. They are not technically a "locker".
Correct. Best model year for that mechanical setup was 1998. In these trucks, you would use "BTM" or "brake Throttle Modulation" to get the same effect, but FAR easier, instant and intuitive to use. After 1998 they got traction control and ABS and had to go to a torsen diff with a lesser torque bias. I *think* model years 2001 (0r 2003) and up could be had with actual lockers.
Drove one once. You not driving a vehicle. You operating equipment.
That’s a truck you just have to ride at least once out of sheer curiosity.)))
No way! I've been watching this one on Autotrader for awhile.
I'd stay away. Too much damage done to the dash pieces that are NLA.
@@nothingtoseaheardammit small price to pay for a slantback. Out of 11815 H1's made, only 39 were slantbacks.
Now take it to your course!
Don't forget about the factory CTIS...
If I had the money I would buy one and daily drive it at least for while
Love this vid
My H2 is unreal. Like every time I drive it I still ask myself like what was GM thinking making this thing
They weren’t thinking and it’s embarrassing they even called it a Hummer.
Kinda like what were you thinking when you bought it
The video is perfect. People who judge the Hummer never owned one
I think GM wanted to compete with Range Rover.
I still laugh at the video of the h-2 that Andre liked and Nathen hated .
The brakes are in the middle of the vehicle.
I could never own an H1, but I absolutely love all the hurky switches, dials, toggles and levers. Having that much immersion and level of physical manipulation inside the vehicle is something I always love having.
Part of me wants to daily drive one for a week... However I frequently am navigating tiny school parking lots for work, that wouldn't be fun in one of those...
I might put mine up for rent on TURO!!..:)
"See, Tee, Eye, Ess"
If I was to own an H1 it would be either this slant back or open top version I've always loved those trucks
It's not a h1 it's called a Humvee
No, it's an H1. If it were a Humvee, it wouldn't have a full interior with creature comforts.
Terrible car
I would daily drive the heck out of that! Of course I drive 6 miles per day, so I would only be burning about 6 gallons of diesel a day...
My H1 with a P400 gets about 14mpg.
Live with one a few months you will hate it
Opposite for me, I been having mines for quite a while and love it. I have a humvee not an H1 tho