How bad is the Daredevil situation?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ต.ค. 2023
- Daredevil is being rewritten. Secret Invasion was bad. What's going on with Marvel?
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I think this is a good thing. They're restructuring this into an actual show and not a "6 hour movie". That kind of show structure wasn't working out. Having a showrunner and a show bible could actually save these shows.
Yeah. This isn't complicated. I see some people acting like this is a bad thing. What Vincent D'onofrio said today summed it all up perfectly.
Take a shot for every time I said "show" 😭
This wasn't going to end up a 6 hour movie, it was like 18 episodes long lol. Better they rework it than release something they aren't confident in but I don't think that logic is sound in this case, every other show Disney has been putting out though yes
DD was supposed to be 18 episodes, released in 3 parts. But yeah 6 episodes in each part so same old Disney+ formula just x3. Glad they’re reworking it.
It’s a good thing they are changing things, it’s a bad thing that it’s taken them this long to realise how they are making these shows is not how you make television
There’s only one thing I ask from the new Daredevil show’s direction: Karen Page and Foggy Nelson are necessary and should be brought back. They’re so pivotal to the original series and it would feel like a void was being left without them.
It seems like that's the one change they will never do for Born Again tho, for whatever reason
I disagree for the same reason I get annoyed at shows with too bloated of a cast: if the writers don't have good ideas of how to use them, they shouldn't include characters. It would be good/nice to at least get single episode appearances of both characters, but I don't want them shoehorned in just because fans/execs/writers love the characters/actors, I want them there because they are an important part of the story being told.
@@Tuaron just make them an important part of the story then lmao
Not hard considering they should be anyway kek
I agree except we don’t need all-foggy or all-Karen episodes, just make side characters side characters
I only recently watched Daredevil in its entirety and while watching I was always thinking one thing. Now I’m wondering if anybody else can agree. So… isn’t Karen, like, extremely annoying? Am I the only one who was rooting for her to die or something?
Random She-Hulk Rant: I wanted a legal comedy with a twist. I wanted Night Court with superpowers. Because that's She Hulk in the comics. Laws are dumb, criminals are dumb, and superpowers are dumb. Why not make fun of all of them? How much does Banner's Hulk owe in property damage and will Tony's estate cover it? Do invisibility powers violate privacy rights? Do you need to contact border patrol before you teleport to another country? Do flying superheroes have to get clearance from air-traffic control?
Have you ever read the damage control comics? If not then it might scratch the itch a bit. They’re not quite what you described (they focus on more on damage after super hero fights) but it’s got a similar farcical feel
I would’ve love that kind of stories!
Learning that marvel wasn’t using showrunners to make shows for the most part is wild. But makes sense for how some of the shows have felt
"show runner vs Producer"...what's the difference in duties?
@@stevenhill1878 you could just google it but imo a difference in mentality. You can tell the difference between something that feels like a tv show and something that feels like a drawn out movie
I just hope that this is a wake-up call for Marvel. There is some stuff like Fisk being the mayor that is interesting, but Foggy and Karen have to be in it or at least not killed off off-screen in the first episode. I really hope this use this opportunity to make things right
Yeah honestly the fact they have done this to me isn't a bad thing, as someone who overall really haven't enjoyed their TV shows so far I am happy to hear this. All that needs to happen now is not mess it up...
As long as they didn't just kill off the pair off-screen, I didn't mind the idea of not including them, as there are many ways that can work while forcing characters into a story that doesn't have room/a role for them can make the character and show worse.
I hope that their new plans include more Special Presentations like Werewolf by Night. That was easily one of the best things they've put out recently, and I would love to see more projects in that vein.
Thought it was gonna be bad, so I put off watching it but... oh yeah, one of the best they've done. We DEFINITELY need more of that. Even if they are What If's of current movie characters.
Same with the Guardians special that was hilarious and heartfelt. The special presentations are way better than the shows
Moon Knight should’ve been 12+ episodes to leave room for episodic city setting episodes. And Ms. Marvel should’ve been mostly an episodic high school story. I’m glad that real tv is coming back from Disney trying to kill real tv and failing
frankly, I think a lot of these marvel shows could of used more episodes for each season. Since every show seems to be about 6 episodes long, every episode counts. If an episode drags or takes too much focus away from the plot to focus on character development, it can frustrate fans since it can risk slowing the momentum of the show. Or worse, if an episode flops...that can frustrate fans *even more* since it means that 1/6 of the show has been wasted.
those kind of opinions are subjective of course, but it does mean that the chances that fans will get frustrated increases the less time the show has to dedicate to different aspects of the shows. TV could get away with a slow episode or two back when it could have 13-22 episode seasons to divvy up all of the character development, world building, and overarching plot to.
@@mallk238 More episodes isn't always a good thing. Creators end up scraping around for more material, stuff that wouldn't have been "good enough" to make the cut in a shorter season. Material can also get stretched. More episodes likely means more writers writing separate scripts simultaneously, which can lead to style and content clashes even when you have a showrunner. In the end, while you might get more "good" content overall, you also get more "weak" content. (Besides, if a creative team delivers one flop out of six episodes, then why would you expect to still *only* get one flop when they are responsible for 18?)
Watching series with longer seasons, I often find myself wishing they had *fewer* episodes. It can be a chore to simply watch a series.
@@BainesMkII my man I think we are coming at this from two different perspectives because you are complaining about shows that have *exhausted* their stories and I'm talking about shows that have so little time to tell their story that they have to cut out plot-relevant scenes just to make it under the allowed time
@@mallk238 Not really. Even though they seem to be two opposing extremes, they aren't exclusive.
@@BainesMkII I'm not saying they're opposite extremes. I'm saying the problem of "filler episodes that do nothing for the plot" isn't the issue with marvel shows.They have so few episodes to work with that any extra episodes *at all* would help them
My one pet peeve is all the articles about this frame it as "Marvel" realizing that things had to change, letting Disney and Marvel take the credit for their shows potentially getting better, instead of being honest about what's actually causing these changes, which is the WGA winning the strike.
Thank you for saying this. I'm sure the WGA's new contract is definitely the reason why these changes are being made.
Obviously they're going to frame it as the big corporations being gracious and smart instead of praising the real heroes: the writers doing all the grunt work.
This is exactly what I was looking for. After the strike there are changes for how many writers there are and how the studios have to handle things like writers rooms and show runners. Marvel didn’t decide to change things, Disney was forced to change them.
Please explain how they were forced to change things? I had no idea.
@@allinnowenstein5516 the writers strike came to an end and forced studios to change.
I can imagine a version of Born Again where Foggy and Karen aren’t in it for the first half or even all of season 1 and appear right at the end, but apparently they were killed off screen!? That’s crazy, how did the show even make it to production with that idea
Cause they wanted to establish it wasn’t the same show from the Netflix, killing of important characters will do that to an audience. Unnecessary but effective to establish as not the same
@@Jkjazz123or it's cuz they didn't wanna pay them
@@Jkjazz123 That idea is also crazy(not saying you're wrong), why would you want to establish the fact that you're different from the thing people loved lol
@@yuchiachen3075 more or less telling the audience that this is different than what you know, teaching the audience that there are different things out there than just the familiar, meaning it doesn’t have to be the same thing you grew up on. I’d be totally down if they just decided Charlie cox wasn’t the best fit for their vision of mcu daredevil if they didn’t bring him back for she hulk. I mainly just want something that isn’t just catering towards the fans that say “if it’s not like the thing I saw once then it’s never going to be good.” I like change and try to embrace it in media. Metaphorically I’d want marvel to give the audience a splash of ice cold water to the face and say “this is it, what you knew from the comics is meh, you all need to grow up and see things can be different than just from one point of view. Characters that are similar if not inspired by legacy characters aren’t copy cats and they should be respected as their own characters rather than what inspired and influenced by. This is different, will be different, and y’all need to stop crying cause the hulk don’t smash no more.” I know I’m in the minority with this but I actually like Bruce’s development in the mcu. Knowing that Bruce in the comics would probably be actually happy with mcu version with no rampages, no outbursts, not being labeled as a monster and being recognized as being a hero. All things accomplished in end game but never in the comics is Bruce/hulk happy as he is in the mcu. Sorry for the lengthy reply, get kinda long winded sometimes lol. Also everytime i said “you” I meant in the general overall audience not you specifically, no ill will towards ya btw.
@@Jkjazz123... You don't write a work of fiction to "tell the fans how to feel"... you do it to tell a story... and that's kinda the problem isn't it?
With that entire long winded comment... all you did was literally describe why Disney shows are failing... and tried to rationalize it with hollow rhetoric.
Thank you, Nando, for pointing out that lack of fight scenes didn't kill Loki & WandaVision.
VERY different characters though. And if anything, Loki had too much fight scene. It was just one, it was awful and unneeded.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Matt Murdock has a bunch of relations that are charming/endearing and have tension.
* Frank Castle
* Wilson Fisk
* Jessice Jones
* Father Lantom
* Foggy Nelson
* Karen Page
* opposing counsel
* his clients
Arguably, he has a special relationship with NYC.
Yeah the writing killed those awful shows. Demand better art. Stop deep throating these corporations
@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Exactly. No one expects Loki to be knuckle dusting people but we damn sure expect Daredevil to. Also MoonKnight took too long to show up in costume.
@@twohandedaxe1212one episode is not "too long" without seeing him in costume
My biggest problem with Daredevil Season 3 was always how the final few episodes veered away from any sort of court scenes and hearing that they might end up doing that again is a bit frustrating. My favorite episode of Daredevil is Rabbit in A Snowstorm because not only does it give a bunch of depth to Fisk, but it also shows just how good a lawyer Matt is that he can still do his job despite how morally bankrupt his client is
What do you expect from dark and gritty action heavy show about a blind vigilante who only happens to be a lawyer it doesn't make sense to focus on his lawyer life instead of action stuff sometimes fresh is not equal to good
Everything thats happening behind the scenes in the MCU is exactly what we want to hear. They are making changes and addressing the issues theyve had. Awesome. Everyone should be happy. Even if you like phase 4 as a whole. I do. But have to admit it had some duds to certain degrees. Ill repeat. This is Marvel stepping up and changing things for the better. What Vincent D'onofrio said today summed it up perfectly. Whats happening with Daredevil isnt unusual.
It’s funny how they claim having showrunners now is due to “internal criticism” and not literally being a requirement from the writer’s strike… but wonder if they felt like the tone was off or if certain plot beats felt too contrived or too much like an excuse to get Matt to behave a certain way. It feels lazy: she-hulk not doing law stuff unless it was introducing someone or matt potentially putting his suit up (for the third time or whatever already) will feel repetitive and feel like he’s gonna keep doing that til “oh something bad happened with these new villains, suit up!” And it feels a bit lazy for motivation too
If there was one thing that I absolutely, positively did not need Marvel to import over from the Netflix shows, it was starting off the season with the main character having given up hero life and needing to be dragged back in. Daredevil did it twice (Defenders and DD season three), Jessica Jones did it a few times, Punisher did it in both seasons, the only character who reliably turned up down to clown was Iron Fist.
Making Daredevil a bit more campy not only could allow them to adapt stories like "Daredevil Yellow" and the Mark Waid's run, but would also make sense in the context of Matt's development in the series. With season 3 ending with Matt defeating Kingpin and reuniting with his friends, the next direction should be something more like what Waid did in his run, with Matt now trying a different approach and being a optimistic super hero and have a more positive look on life.
Really hoping that Foggy and Karen are in the new show because if the rumors of them being killed offscreen are true... 💀
the rumors came out of the scripts that the writers who were fired originally wrote. so i don’t think that will be a plot line since those writers are fired now :)
@@KingTC12I swear I heard that it was Marvel's idea to have them killed off.
@@bryanrogers5648interesting. Where did you hear that?
@@dareelcabbagelord1332 I heard it here, but it sounded like multiple people were reporting the same.
th-cam.com/users/liveCsHNnWT2fjM?si=CmhE1fiaXnwbvZTv @ 14:38
I hope they still utilize the Special Presentation format. There are so many characters that would be fun to explore but don’t need to be a full show or theater release. It seemed like they were willing to take more artistic risks with that format, too.
man can we just get the new york street level heroes trying to deal with the blip it still annoys me we got literally nothing in the 5 year gap
I know right. They barely want to acknowledge it lol 😆
If the rumors with foggy and Karen are true and don’t change I straight up will not watch it. The new show can go a lot of different directions but it can’t dangle the Netflix cast and then cut most of the main characters
From the leakers who confirmed Tobey and Andrew were in NWH, Karen and Foggy are elsewhere because Matt was tired of putting them in harms way
@@jordonnelson7980that’s almost as bad given the way season 3 ended
This very well could be not true (and it could be the rumor Nando mentions at 8:15), but there was a rumor that Matt hung up the costume at the beginning of the show because Foggy and Karen died. If that's true then I hope the new creative team reconsiders that.
Yeah that's the one
@thenandocut How do you feel about that decision, assuming its true?
Its rumoured by scoopers that was Marvel's dumb idea. Also Matt not going into full rage monster after foggy being killed but instead just gave up, is not characteristic of him
The stuff about changing ideas and reevaluating things internally sounds like either a coincidence, or a flat-out lie. Pretty sure they have to restructure to comply with the post-strike deal
Wilson Fisk becoming the Mayor and attempting use the law to crack down on super heroes sounds like the perfect situation to utilize the whole lawyer aspect of daredevil.
I think this is a good thing. It should be closer to the original show. Thats what we want, thats what made the first show so successful! If they do the court scenes correctly then awesome im all for seeing Matt do court stuff.
If Foggy and Karen are killed off, I’m not watching the show just on general principle
Theyre finally bringing the MCU closer to the serialized medium it originated from. First they tried to serialize the movies as just movies, then they made longer movies that were more or less cut up into serialized issues. Now theyre going to make the filmmaking equivalent of a comic run.
I am further convinced that they are approaching a point where they move away from movies being the flagship medium
I really just think they need to lean into the dark and mature tones the original on Netflix already established. With good writing and fight choreography it would be an instant hit. They dont really even need a large cgi budget. Marvel should have grown with its audience and expanded to include more adult stuff, but maybe not exclusively.
Watching the slow death of superhero movies gives me hope. They’ll come back, someday. For now, can we get something that has a beginning middle and end and is not part of a larger universe? Please?🙏🏾
I’m happy with this news because ALL I wanted from a Daredevil sequel series was Matt, Karen and Foggy working together (with Jessica Jones as a bonus character if possible), and it sounded like those characters weren’t going to be in it. So any change to the show that might bring back Nelson, Murdock and Page is a positive one for me
They've made it clear that this isn't Daredevil season 4. This is gonna be a fresh new start with new stories completely unconnected to the Netflix show. The only thing stopping them from completely decanonizing the Netflix show is all the backlash they would get from the fans. They're using the actors for Matt and Kingpin as a Trojan Horse for whatever new story they plan to tell.
However, that was all in the past with the old script. With the changes they're making, they might change their minds and actually incorporate the Netflix series into their new show.
I'm wondering if Kevin feige still got it... How did he green light a horrible script, hire everyone from cast to crew to writers and directors just to realize it's horrible after 4 episodes? Would he refilm everything if it wasn't for the writers strike? Or would he let a knowingly horrible product be released like he did with secret invasion?
My guess is that the strike is prompting some second guessing. For some of the reasons Nando mentions-most of the ideas now being panned aren't that insane. So I'd guess, given the lull in production, people are second guessing what was actually fine, maybe because they weren't ever *fully* satisfied with the script and they think a different approach will yield a better product ... or maybe because the longer a script is sitting there (and the less the execs have things to do), the more likely it is the execs will take dramatic action regarding the script.
@@DanielFolsom I still don't buy that as an explanation. If a script is good one day it is good on day 3... Godfather didn't get worse with age. Sopranos still holds up... not a month later but decades. If you think Marvel never wanted their material to hold up.... Netfilx DD holds up to that scrutiny . Seinfeld holds up... The Office... 1990 Ninja Turtles script holds up over 30 years later. 3 months later and the DD script os trash? It takes longer than 3 months to get the cgi ready... If it only took 3 months for the story to sour than it was rotten to begin with... Feige green lit it... Maybe it's fan backlash for Secret Invasion that changed the coarse.... But fan expectations should have always played a role.
@@goodfellas1001 I mean we've seen this before-whether a script is good or not doesn't always bear on whether studio execs get antsy and want to fuck with it. I'm not talking about whether or not a movie can hold up over time ... I'm talking about whether studio execs can resist putting their grimy fingerprints over it before it's released.
What we really need is Law & Order: MCU edition, but I think Marvel is too scared to try anything different right now
That and a mix of Better call Saul it's a meta lawyer comedy with accurate court proceedings and accurate laws and hearings
Just mix in the campiness of she hulk comics and it's a win
Wanda & Loki aren't martial artists though, Matt/Daredevil IS.
Same thing with the other D+ shows, those characters are more action based
Yeah, like you cannot do a non-action heavy Iron Fist show. You need to put in the fight scenes
Imagine Born Again being an “18 hour movie” split in 18 parts
I hope they keep it at 18. I'm sick of every show nowadays being 8 episodes.
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it’s not even a spoiler dawg it was all scrapped. Way to gargle his balls in your mouth🤡
So far as I understand, the #1 metric of streaming success for the streaming service owners is the change in subscription / cancellation. if the day a show releases they get 10million new subscribers and 10 million less cancellations, it's more successful than one that gets 1thousand of each.
For the company that skimped out on their animated shows until when X-Men 97 comes out. Yeah this isn’t shocking. Tsuburaya and Toei has been making live action hero shows for 30+ years, but I assume Marvel felt too confident just because they make hollywood money
I´d love an antology format with low level superheroes with heartwarming stories being helped by daredevil and the murdock-nelson-page law firm
The script was probably written by AI and with the new contract they can't use it. That would explain Secret Invasion.
I would caution against blessing Loki Season 2 as good before it's done.
Secret Invasion had TH-camrs saying good things after one or two episodes.
Dont forget, some of the privileged have seen the first 4 episodes... 🫥
I remember thinking episode 1 and 2 were actually pretty good (not great, but good), and then the show went completely off the rails turning into one of the worst MCU projects ever. Really surprised me.
TBF, Loki S1 felt like this to me. Started off really promising, dropped the ball a touch at the end. Not to the extent that Secret Wars did, ofc, but I'm still a touch wary about Loki.
They should make more smaller projects like werewolf by night and make stuff for the popular onws
I agree and since Kevin said the midnight suns will be a group down the road, why not just have every character have a special presentation
It adds to the horror Halloween vibe and it can come out every Halloween
I said before blade should be a special presentation also
Since they starting over they need rename the series to The Man Without Fear & made it a Rated R series like it was on Netflix. Bring back Deborah Ann Woll as Karen Page, Curtis Vondie Hall as Ben Turner, Elden Henson as Foggy Nelson, Ayelet Zurer as Vanessa Fisk, Toby Leonard Moore as Wilson Bethel/Bullseye, & Rosario Dawson as Claire Temple/Night Nurse. They need to also cast Athena Karkanis as Elektra.
Missy Knight too she was a pivotal character also
The one off seasons have to stop because they just introduce characters and concepts that are never followed up on and the MCU needs to feel like everything is connected and everything matters.
I think it's good that Marvel is taking a step back and choosing to focus more on quality rather than just spitting out anything as fast as possible
With the hanging up the suit “rumor” i guess for the beginning of the script. I feel like they wanted to hit the “oh, now there’s she hulk and the avengers! New York doesn’t need a street level crime fighter anymore!” Immediately cuts to Fisk making political moves to draw Matt back into the suit angle. I think there is good stuff in that idea but I think that’s a little heavy handed when that’s basically the platform Netflix Daredevil based itself off of without all the show and tell
Matt Murdock knew Spider-Man and Peter Parker. Matt no longer knows Peter.
I’m glad it was reset and hopefully foggy and Karen will return too
Dude they didn't even have show bibles or real executive producers before. This is the BEST news and we have the strike to thank.
Sounds like it was going to be a comedy and kevin said "no, i don't think people want this for the character"
Also I'm tired of the trope "you have to wait to see them in the costumes" or "you have to wait to the final episodes for an action scene"
They are already stabilized characters, show them in the costume doing their thing. Not every thug they knock down has to be a final boss
Like if one day they bring the punisher to the UCM i want to see him blasting random mafia mobs, showing that skull on his chest right from the gate
Also I'm waiting for the big movie that ties all in, because all those endings are promising things that they still don't deliver
Any reboot of Daredevil is going to compete with the original. Even if they call it a reimagining or whatever, people will expect to have more of the same thing they loved. It's incredibly hard to capture lightning in a bottle twice, which is why so many beloved shows that have been revived have struggled even when the entire cast returned.
I absolutely want to see Holland's Spider-Man annoying and frustrating D'Onofrio's Kingpin.
Especially since kingpin actually debut in the Spiderman no more comic and he was Spider-Man's villian before Daredevil
Even Wilson Fisk speaks exactly like that kingpin and he wore the same iconic suit in the Hawkeye show
So it sounds like the MCU is gonna incorporate alot of that comic arc within daredevil and the next Spiderman movie
Also they changed the Spiderman prequel to a prequel and not a what if episode which is good
This is a really good video to watch following the news this week regarding Daredevil and although I understand marvel saying they didn’t like the direction or tone of the first six episodes I honestly don’t buy it that that’s the reason they’re scrapping these episodes and going in a different direction with the show. I am glad to see they are getting involved and making changes when they see that something isn’t right because this is something I’ve been talking about for a while now.. I’ve been saying to my wife & a couple other people I talk to you about this stuff that I don’t understand why Kevin Fiege and some of the others haven’t picked up on how bad some things have been like with secret invasion and the last Thor movie so it’s good to see you they’re getting involved at this level but I’m sure they knew this was the direction they were planning to go in. They’re just using it as an excuse to redirect because they know their backs are l up against the wall now on the streaming platform & if they put out a daredevil show that doesn’t have any action for the first four episodes they’re going to lose viewers and they can’t afford that now. Having said that it was supposed to be an 18 episode show, so didn’t we all expect this to be a bit of a slow burn? Oh well let’s see what they come up with
@thenandocut what stands are you using for those Marvel Legends figures?
i like that they want more action, i just hope it’s like the netflix show because the choreography was great and i loved how daredevil threw his body around.
I dont think the disney plus show action sequences were choreographed as well and they relied too much on cgi which is why the other parts of those shows were more successful
1:17 150 million seasons of TV?
"Dude, you have to get through the first 50 million seasons, but around season 55 million or so, it really starts to get good. Until the last 4 million seasons. You can basically stop at season 140 million and be good."
A show with 150 million seasons, that each have 150 million episodes. The show has 150 million characters. In order to watch it, you would have to enter a room that stops time and makes it so you never age.
WHERE DID YOU GET THAT AMAZING WALLPAPER/SCREENSAVER!!!??
I totally agree with your point about “Secret Invasion.” I think they sold the idea at pitch and then were given a ton of series limitations such as fewer episodes and inability to use or reference certain characters. From there, you’re making a watered down version of a good idea.
If they fuck up Daredevil, I'm done with the MCU. There's nothing I cherish more than DD S1 and DD S3.
I just hope we get a good show. I’m hopeful for Loki but I stopped watching Secret Invasion after episode 3. I still watched breakdowns but the show was a mess.
I don't understand how they got their shows so bad when Netflix already made great shows for them already
Where can I get that screen saver
That part where they want to incorporate the Netflix tone back in sounds like what really happened was they wanted to do something more original, they saw it was working, and think the solution is to make it more like the Netflix thing because that worked. A shame since I think a procedural show could work very well for Daredevil.
But if people want to see a procedural, JUST WATCH A FLIPPING PROCEDURAL! No one wants a show about a lawyer who happens to occasionally fight crime. We want a show about a superhero who fights crime and tries to use his law degree that to put criminals in jail.
She Hulk actually is the only D+ Marvel show that worked as an actual TV show so far. I would love to see them go in that route with Daredevil and keep those 2 going. Make it actual TV. And maybe put it on TV to make it worth the expense.
I really hope you’re joking 🤡
@@iiyeyitosii8523 She Hulk is the only one of the D+ shows that actually worked as a TV show and not just a super extended movie. Actual episodes with a beginning middle and conclusion in about 30 mins.
Didn't say anything about Quality (some were pretty good some were meh at best) but structurally why do you think I'm wrong?
The change seems like a response to the requirements from the Writer's Guild and they chose Daredevil to be the scapegoat to cover up the fact they were actively trying to get around paying people for their creative labor through loopholes
They literally just have to make it like the Netflix show and NOT like Secret Invasion or She Hulk. Its truly not hard.
Every time I watch Nando, I think "why did I stop watching this channel?"
Then he reminds me that he unironically thinks She-Hulk was a good show.
And I'm reminded we have absolutely opposite tastes in comic book entertainment.
It's funny you say every show has showrunners and bibles when that's not at all the case in the UK where, incidentally, six-episode seasons are routine. I think they wanted to do things the British way and it backfired.
Pitch a solo Silver Surfer movie
I think they were trying to keep it Disney PG, but that's not what fans want. They want the hallway fights from the Netflix. And with Deadpool 3 on its R-Rated way, maybe Disney is finally starting to grow up.
What’s the name of the new MCU book?
Didn't they explicitly State the Daredevil Born Again wasn't going to be a season 4 for the Netflix series
Yes but I think they're smart enough to realize that if you bring back most or all of the important faces from the Netflix show back in the same roles there will be certain expectations from fans about the tone, characterization, etc that they'll follow. If this was a total reboot it's an entirely different story.
This is definitely a good thing. Sounds like they’re really listening to fans and I respect them for making the hard call.
Knew something was up with this show when they announced the episode count.
9:15 no, this was a much more nuanced look at the situation in the real world. It’s accurate whether you like it or not.
Speaking of GotG 3, just watched the Assembled for it. I haven't disliked any Assembled yet, and the GotG 3 one is near the top. All that said, am I crazy or is Zoe Saldana's accent really weird. At times during the BTS she sounds like Pom. If you told me her primary residence for the past 2 decades is in France or Quebec, I'd believe you.
Nano god bless you bringing up the exact reason why I though Secret Invasion was a terrible idea for the MCU from the start. Can't wait for the rewrite
Nando where in NYCC will you be?
Pretty bad, he is blind for life 😢
They brought back the actors from the original show
But not the directors, writers, stunt choreographers, cinematographers, editors, and composers that made the show unique.
They're going to turn Daredevil into another bland Disney+ show.
Well, to give you an idea, he was in She-Hulk.
I would be very interested to see Nando give his take on the sudden (last 3 years or so) upsurgance in applying ESG policies to the batch of marvel products that has been out.
As much as you may say that daredevil is known to be light and chipper occasionally, it's the exception, not the rule. Matt is a street level brawler and a strategic and witty lawyer. That's what worked in daredevil S1-3 and cuz that's what people want.
Hold up…there were actual fight scenes in MoonKnight? I thought they cheesed it by having blackouts during the fights and when he woke up the fights were over…
Make it more like the Netflix show! saying that the show does not need fights is ridiculous the martial arts and choreography is what made the show exiting this is not like the other Marvel shows that's why it's so long make it dark and violent serious and gory we need to see him in the suit and don't put any silly marvel comedy stuff in the show I hope they can bring back Bullseye in the blue costume he was my favorite part of season 3 I do hope they continue a lot of stuff from the Netflix show and keep the tone the same as that show dark.
I like the idea of a Daredevil with a lot of law procedural, and She-Hulk could have done with more actual lawyering than it had, but I also think they would need to get some actual Daredevil action in there too. First four eps without that seems a bit much. Just take what they had and add a few fights scenes or an "episode zero" that is more action-packed before continuing to these eps. You should get at least one good fight per 2-3 episodes, and probably a _little_ DD in most of the episodes.
At the very least it’s a good sign that they care about not ruining such a great show. Let’s just hope they can pull off an intervention with the star wars section as well.
Here’s the problem with you guys…You say “trying to recapture the magic of the old show maybe isn’t such a good idea” but then will literally compare it to the old one right as it comes out…can’t have it both ways
I just want more Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.
So, I think to answer your question about the script in the first part, assuming they use the "Marvel Method" for their TV shows like they do for their movies, they likely had no real completed script. They just had general story beats they were supposed to include and have the actors and writers ad lib their way to the desired end. This has been one of the biggest problems with Marvel projects and one of the reasons the visual effects houses are overworked. Without a full script, directors can't plan all their shots and decide which scenes need CGI and which could be done practically to save costs. This leads to basically a lot of problems being "fixed in post" either by editors or VFX. Hopefully, Marvel will move to more traditional TV and Film Production and get a 90% completed script done first.
It's funny cause, yeah... 2 favourite shows aren't action orientated (Loki and WandaVision), but the next 2 (in my list) are... Moon Knight, and Hawkeye. I also like She-Hulk, and Ms. Marvel, but both Secret Invasion and Falcon and Winter Soldier were duds. But speaking to your musings about limited shows over serials, I loved the Halloween special and Xmas special. I wish they'd do more of those!!
The biggest thing for me is I really don't understand why they suddenly changed everything about the MCU and the way it works. Like Daredevil it itself was working, they made a ton of tv shows like daredevil, Jessica jones, luke cage, iron fist, punisher, defenders, helstrom, inhumans, cloak and dagger, runaways, agents of shield, agent Carter the list goes on and on and on. So the issue isn't quantity of shows, it's not like they're pulling themselves too thin because they already did this. And while I'm not going to sit here and pretend that something like Inhumans wasn't as much of a laughable failure as let's say Secret Invasion. But buy and large this was working and it was working well. We'd have a flop or a meh show like once every 3-5 shows and now it feels like it's 50/50 on if the show is even gonna be watchable. And I see everyone pointing to "Oh they're making too much stuff now thats why it sucks" and like no, thats just not true. Maybe in like 2020-2021 it was slightly more but not by a significant margin, now it is significantly less and its worse quality. They really should have kept their deals with these companies to keep making these shows because as a whole they worked a lot better.
But on the other hand of this I see everyone complaining that the mcu is worse then its ever been and like I don't think thats true either. Inhumans is really bad, defenders has a lot of issues, iron fist has a lot of issues, some parts of Luke cage and Jessica jones are kinda rough. if you compare that to quantumania, eternals, she hulk, secret invasion its all kinda the same level of rough quality. Sorry just because you didn't care enough to watch all these shows doesn't mean that they don't get taken into account lol.
I think both sides of this issue is wrong. Its not bad because its too much and they don't know what to do, they had something that worked and they could likely go back to. and its not bad because its worse quality. ultimately I think its bad because the entire mcu right now has a lack of focus. Phases 1-3 get too much praise for everything being tied together to the thanos saga, like lets be honest something like Lokis scepter being an infinity stone is kinda weird, the aether too. Ant-Man connected because he arbitrarily fought falcon in a desperate attempt to make it connect, like its not perfect. But at least they forced it all to contribute somehow. Before Loki s2 whats the last thing that connected to the multiverse story? quantumania? Secret invasion did nothing, she hulk did nothing, fatws did nothing, ms marvel did nothing, eternals did nothing etc. I know some of this came earlier but like none of this is connected. if you wanna have smaller sections of connected plot threads that aren't the big bad then do it like defenders or cloak and dagger and runaways or agent Carter and agents of shield. throw a few shows into the same city or whatever and put them together. its really not that hard. But instead we have a super soldier plot thread and a random heroes popping up plot thread and an alien genocide plot thread and none of it really works.
tldr if its not broke don't fix it, get everyone back and just make daredevil season 4 marvel don't overcomplicate this
This is what I've been wanting to hear: Marvel realizing that what they're doing isn't working and are now correcting their mistakes. Perhaps the disaster of Secret Invasion was the wake-up call Marvel desperately needed.
This is great. Quality over quantity. No more crappy Marvel please! We can’t take anymore! Secret Invasion was the first Marvel show I couldn’t even finish. Barely got 2 episodes in and I was bored Af.
Yeah WTH, Ma4rvel, it's not Matt Murdock Reborn, it's DAREDEVIL Reborn!
11:07 "Captain Falcon and the Winter Soldier" lol
I hate that they recast Vanessa
They need to just continue the previous show in all ways (tone, writing quality etc). We don’t just want Daredevil, we want THAT Daredevil show.
Only one Episode of Daredevil season one was a lawyer show the first Episode they focused a lot of that episode on that stuff but did not just keep doing that for the rest of the show they showed court stuff every now and then throughout the show i feel like She Hulk was already a show about a lawyer we have seen enough of that so have some court stuff throughout the season sprinkled in like the rest of the Netflix show but focus on Daredevil as a vigilante and crime fighter
I have a feeling this has more to do with paying residuals for a 23-episode writers' room than it has to do with quality control or tonal direction.
10:35 - 10:49 Question, what’s a through line?😅
I dont know why putting this Daredevil show together is so difficult. Theyve already got it set up from Daredevil season 1. The villain should be, of course, Owlsley's son, here for revenge on Kingpin and Daredevil. Now going by the Owl and boasting a gang of his own, along with best friend bodyguards Jack O'Lantern and [insert other Daredevil/Spidey villain here] he aims to destroy both. By taking Kingpin's criminal turf away while simultaneously using his skills as an accountant and businessman to steal kingpin's money, properties and influence. The gang war lands them squarely in Daredevil's backyard, which is exactly what The Owl wants.
Born Again is a comic that doesn't sound like a more campy show to me and less about legal proceedings. I know that being the MCU there are aspects of it that are difficult to adapt, but I trust that you know the high expectations that people have of this show and that is why they made these changes.