The fact that "the culture" is black American is fine, I'm just confused as to when Tyla was with THAT culture. She many pop song influenced by Amapiano (a South African genre of music). Her accent is purely South African. Her creative director is a South African woman. She made it big GLOBALLY, so why should she bow down to Americans way of seeing things. As for comparing her to Drake, a man who has beeeen pandering and acting as if he was with the black American culture is so disingenuous. When again she literally has and is always South African is all of her interviews and in the music she makes. Lastly coloured people are a ethnic group and we have a culture behind us. We are not "mixed people who refuse to be black". Blackness is SA is also very tribal and cultural (not just a skin tone and features).
Their suffer from their desilusion of grandeur and think everything resolve around them. She don't make african american music and she don't pander to their "culture". Plus most artists in the us do well with or without their support, their are a minority without power.
@@mkmc94I strongly have to disagreed hip-hop is one of the most popular music genres rn created by black / lantine/and carribean artist afro beats which amipiano is under is a form of hip hop. This diaspora wars bs is annoying asf bc for every critic you may have for blk Americans we could say the same for you no one's hands are clean.
@@yassine8935 to say AFRObeats is "under hiphop" is a wild & ridiculous statement, omg 💀 Afrobeats, and all other sounds originating from this continent, are very much in their own lane. Many an American hiphop artist has been influenced by and integrated the sound, but it isn't hiphop. In the same way that hiphop isn't "under" any other genre, it's a genre all its own.
This feels completely unserious to me. Y’all really wanted her to discuss this on the Breakfast Club with Charlamagne and DJ Envy??? Now should she have been on the Breakfast Club to begin with? No. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes. But I’m not upset with her passing on this question on their show because she knew it would lead to foolishness. Where she was wrong was thinking she could go on that show AND avoid foolishness. You can’t do both babe. Gotta to pick one! So either you put on your clown shoes and dance or don’t! There’s no in between.
It was honestly a bit sad to see her unable to answer that. She couldve easily quickly explained the difference of race in SA. If youre going on a black podcast you have to be ready to field those sort questions
@@niar.johnson8202people have tried to do that plenty over the years on social media, I don't know how many twitter spats we've had with black Americans where we try to explain, but they simply don't wanna accept it. They've called SAns wrong or uninformed or backwards or not evolved so many times bc when they do get a quick breakdown, they can't seem to understand it therefore *we* must be wrong and not knowledgeable on our own history & lived experiences. It's been incredibly frustrating and confusing, having this convo with Americans, actually.
@@thecavalieryouth interesting 🤔 I myself as a Black American would want to hear and try to understand the differences. Remember, the Internet is way more drastic than how real life is. Thanks for your reply
She is young… granted, in America race has been made a lot less nuanced than other places… it’s just wild cause SA seems to be the only country to use the term “colored” and they’re shocked when we call her black
@@Birdiebird12 Coloureds exist throughout southern Africa (SADC countries in particular). The rest of the world really doesn't care about all this since we have sports stars who are coloured who've had international acclaim & attention. Americans are the ones who won't stop beating a dead horse and can't seem to wrap their minds around an idea of race that isn't American.
i'm south african, colored. same culture as her. different backgrounds, i'm 34 and male. we don't care what people has say about race. it makes no difference as to what ever her answer will be. its there because you put it out there. respect that that is your culture and respectfully what would you have her say. lie on your behalf to make you feel better about yourself
??? This confuses me. Isn’t she mixed race? She doesn’t even live in the US so why would she speak on US issues? Why are giving her hate because she didn’t want to answer a race question?
Because she's patronising Blk platforms and a Blk American audience. They have every right to gatekeep if they smell inauthenticity, which they clearly do.
@@user-dv3kq3rm4h absolutely the black community can gatekeep. Can you explain to me what mean by patronizing black platforms, I’m not informed on that really.
@@user-dv3kq3rm4hhow bro she’s comes from a culture where she’s not black you can’t force people to be smth their not. Imagine canceling someone because they don’t identify how you want them to. That’s not gatekeeping you can’t force an identity into someone.
I want other South Africans to weigh in because wow neh, it feels very imperial-ist to say, "Play by our rules or get the chop." This is such a weird take, especially from a woman who has been so vulnerable about her own experiences with race and racial Identity. Im so disappointed as someone who has watched many videos of yours to educate themselves about black history (In an American context)
@@anathimakapela4227 since *before* Tyla even blew up! There's been many times that we've fought with black Americans on twitter over this, it's just worse now that Tyla's such a hot commodity.
The fact that "the culture" is black American is fine, I'm just confused as to when Tyla was with THAT culture. She makes pop song influenced by Amapiano (a South African genre of music). Her accent is purely South African. Her creative director is a South African woman. She made it big GLOBALLY, so why should she bow down to Americans way of seeing things. As for comparing her to Drake, a man who has beeeen pandering and acting as if he was with the black American culture is so disingenuous. When again she literally has and is always South African in all of her interviews and in the music she makes. Lastly coloured people are a ethnic group and we have a culture behind us. We are not "mixed people who refuse to be black". Blackness is SA is also very tribal and cultural (not just a skin tone and features).
But seriously, as a mixed Coloured South African who themselves has struggled with thier racial identity, this felt like a major slap in the face. I feel like tyla doesn't have to answer a question she doesn't want to answer? I dont know? This felt entitled. Sorry.
@@user-dv3kq3rm4hbro if you were mixed and you went to South Africa and they called you colored you would say no probably , bc it’s not the norm where your from
@@anathimakapela4227Much like any other country take Germany for instance it is absolutely NOTHING like American culture they may have started out that way when they came here a million years ago but Americans have made their own culture and own way of things to say it is anywhere close to African culture is absurd to me😂 the delusions in the comments are crazy! You're the same kinda person that when someone else comes to ur country gets insulted when someone insults YOUR food or YOUR culture make it make sense! South Africa may experience similar struggles but completely ignoring the struggles black Americans (I say that cause y'all love to curl your nose up when we call ourselves African Americans but stay saying it's the same culture when it's convenient) have when you come to our country is ignorant and u should go somewhere else if you aren't gonna respect it but want to prophet off of us
Well it's an even bigger slap in the face to us when she completely ignores the struggles we face when she has been profiting off of us . She is allowed to disregard us but we are supposed to care about y'all's feelings? Wanna talk about entitled what do y'all call yourselves but that? Could never be me!
First of all , tyla is still successful. Why does she need to have validation from black American ? Do you think that Taylor swift needed black people ? No! So why African have to bow down to black American to be successful when in fact a lot of black American singers like usher are very successful in Africa without having to pander to Africans and there different tribes . The answer and the truth is that black American think that we are inferior to them. Currently it’s tyla but Akon and burna boy have already talked about how it’s was difficult for black Americans to see Africans being successful.
Since the founding of our country to the modern-day, black americans have contributed substantially to art, science, literature, mathematics, and everything in between. But none of that is taught in our schools. For over two hundred years, credit has not been given where credits due. So when something like this happens, people are understandably gonna 2nd guess their support. People are sick and tired of non-black identifying individuals benefiting from a culture black people cultivated while simultaneously and continuously having their creations, innovations, and contributions being taken without credit, without proper respect or appreciation while at the same time, looking down on black Americans. Its the BIGGEST gaslighting in history. She isn't American, but she is directly benefiting from black american culture and black american support. I am not black myself, but if I were to even try to understand what that frustration would feel like, I think it would mentally break me a bit.
I don’t think she was acting like she didn’t care, I think her PR didn’t prep her properly. She probably should’ve been trained to say the statement they put together after the fact. Thing is tho, even that would have opened her up to more questioning and she’s not a political/cultural/social commentator. You need particular skills to be able to translate your home country’s system into America’s binary one to such a large lay audience off-the-cuff like that. They were probably worried she would offend either black SAs or black Americans in the process, so opted to have her opt out.
Exactly and look what happened. She was damned either way. But the response was so grossly overdone. We can give grace to so many artists who turn out to be trash humans and commit very serious heinous acts but draw the line at someone else’s racial identity bcuz it doesnt align with what we want it to be? Wild
I don't think she's choosing her words. Tyla picks her words.. this woman is just observing possible effects of the route tyla took. And she's not wrong.
omg why is tyla being held up to impossible standards? everywhere on the internet the talk abt her always comes down to race 1st, then her music or something. she isn't even an american, her music is catered globally, it just happens to be america is one majority of her audience. and her being is colored is explained multiple times before this interview too. it take too many times of receiving this question for the person to go to, "i feel like a broken radio repeating this explanation" which is hard for us(the americans) to understand even though it isn't.
confused as to why a woman not from america who presumably doesn’t know the nuances of american culture and how race is viewed in said culture was asked this question? she’s a south african woman so to assume that the african AMERICAN experience is universal is a little crazy to me
Charlamagne (in his usual being right like 3 times a year) made a good suggestion bout making a song called we friends tho w kai in the video. That shit would do numbers for memeage alone
I feel like if she explained what “coloured” meant in South Africa in the interview, it would have gone totally different. It’s the way she looked back and then made comments at the end of the interview that was weird.
Not really she colored which I'm ngl as a blk american my knowledge is still not the best on is its on thing like an ethnic group she's Irish Mauritania Indian and Zulu, she doesn't deny her subsaharan black ancestry and she clearly proud of it but on he mixed point imma be real as a non ambiguously blk person I see no problem with identifying as mixed I don't think it makes you less black if anything it's it's own experience and should be seen like that.
The fact that "the culture" is black American is fine, I'm just confused as to when Tyla was with THAT culture. She many pop song influenced by Amapiano (a South African genre of music). Her accent is purely South African. Her creative director is a South African woman. She made it big GLOBALLY, so why should she bow down to Americans way of seeing things.
As for comparing her to Drake, a man who has beeeen pandering and acting as if he was with the black American culture is so disingenuous. When again she literally has and is always South African is all of her interviews and in the music she makes.
Lastly coloured people are a ethnic group and we have a culture behind us. We are not "mixed people who refuse to be black". Blackness is SA is also very tribal and cultural (not just a skin tone and features).
Their suffer from their desilusion of grandeur and think everything resolve around them. She don't make african american music and she don't pander to their "culture". Plus most artists in the us do well with or without their support, their are a minority without power.
@@mkmc94I strongly have to disagreed hip-hop is one of the most popular music genres rn created by black / lantine/and carribean artist afro beats which amipiano is under is a form of hip hop. This diaspora wars bs is annoying asf bc for every critic you may have for blk Americans we could say the same for you no one's hands are clean.
@@yassine8935 to say AFRObeats is "under hiphop" is a wild & ridiculous statement, omg 💀 Afrobeats, and all other sounds originating from this continent, are very much in their own lane. Many an American hiphop artist has been influenced by and integrated the sound, but it isn't hiphop. In the same way that hiphop isn't "under" any other genre, it's a genre all its own.
This feels completely unserious to me. Y’all really wanted her to discuss this on the Breakfast Club with Charlamagne and DJ Envy??? Now should she have been on the Breakfast Club to begin with? No. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes.
But I’m not upset with her passing on this question on their show because she knew it would lead to foolishness. Where she was wrong was thinking she could go on that show AND avoid foolishness. You can’t do both babe. Gotta to pick one! So either you put on your clown shoes and dance or don’t! There’s no in between.
I agree lol it's like me going on there a nonbinary person and being suprised Jess hilarious say some estupido bs about it .
@@yassine8935 Exactly!! This is not the space where you want to talk nuance, because they are just gonna be fools.
Just wait till South African twitter finds this. Just wait
Honestly..
I have my popcorn waiting shem 😂😂😂
I'm getting heated and I'm barely 10 secs in 💀 I don't know why I keep letting this get my blood pressure up, but Americans are acting mad rn!
@@thecavalieryouth same.
@@thecavalieryouthAfricans love to think they’re better than Black Americans
It was honestly a bit sad to see her unable to answer that. She couldve easily quickly explained the difference of race in SA. If youre going on a black podcast you have to be ready to field those sort questions
Sincere question: what would be the right answer to that though? If she doesn't consider herself black, wouldn't saying that have been worse?
By simply.explaining her ethnicity and the paradigm of "race" where she is from
@@niar.johnson8202people have tried to do that plenty over the years on social media, I don't know how many twitter spats we've had with black Americans where we try to explain, but they simply don't wanna accept it. They've called SAns wrong or uninformed or backwards or not evolved so many times bc when they do get a quick breakdown, they can't seem to understand it therefore *we* must be wrong and not knowledgeable on our own history & lived experiences. It's been incredibly frustrating and confusing, having this convo with Americans, actually.
@@niar.johnson8202 She don't have to explaining her ethnicity
@@niar.johnson8202she already did it multiple time and they still at that time were mad about her .
@@thecavalieryouth interesting 🤔 I myself as a Black American would want to hear and try to understand the differences. Remember, the Internet is way more drastic than how real life is. Thanks for your reply
She is young… granted, in America race has been made a lot less nuanced than other places… it’s just wild cause SA seems to be the only country to use the term “colored” and they’re shocked when we call her black
We use it in Zimbabwe too
@@Birdiebird12 Coloureds exist throughout southern Africa (SADC countries in particular). The rest of the world really doesn't care about all this since we have sports stars who are coloured who've had international acclaim & attention. Americans are the ones who won't stop beating a dead horse and can't seem to wrap their minds around an idea of race that isn't American.
she's coloured irish indian. i think that may have made her avoid it
She is also Zulu. Zulu is an African tribe .
i'm south african, colored. same culture as her. different backgrounds, i'm 34 and male. we don't care what people has say about race. it makes no difference as to what ever her answer will be. its there because you put it out there. respect that that is your culture and respectfully what would you have her say. lie on your behalf to make you feel better about yourself
??? This confuses me. Isn’t she mixed race? She doesn’t even live in the US so why would she speak on US issues? Why are giving her hate because she didn’t want to answer a race question?
Because she's patronising Blk platforms and a Blk American audience. They have every right to gatekeep if they smell inauthenticity, which they clearly do.
I agree. And people need to stop trying to make people speak on things. Just don’t support her and move on if a person chooses.
@@user-dv3kq3rm4h absolutely the black community can gatekeep. Can you explain to me what mean by patronizing black platforms, I’m not informed on that really.
@@user-dv3kq3rm4hhow bro she’s comes from a culture where she’s not black you can’t force people to be smth their not. Imagine canceling someone because they don’t identify how you want them to. That’s not gatekeeping you can’t force an identity into someone.
@@NWats-ik6outhis,was never a true fan anyways so nothing lost
I want other South Africans to weigh in because wow neh, it feels very imperial-ist to say, "Play by our rules or get the chop." This is such a weird take, especially from a woman who has been so vulnerable about her own experiences with race and racial Identity. Im so disappointed as someone who has watched many videos of yours to educate themselves about black history (In an American context)
You should definitely be getting that information from fully black people
@@anathimakapela4227 since *before* Tyla even blew up! There's been many times that we've fought with black Americans on twitter over this, it's just worse now that Tyla's such a hot commodity.
Their are going full xenophobic on her. African diaspora to keep them in check because this is unacceptable.
The fact that "the culture" is black American is fine, I'm just confused as to when Tyla was with THAT culture. She makes pop song influenced by Amapiano (a South African genre of music). Her accent is purely South African. Her creative director is a South African woman. She made it big GLOBALLY, so why should she bow down to Americans way of seeing things.
As for comparing her to Drake, a man who has beeeen pandering and acting as if he was with the black American culture is so disingenuous. When again she literally has and is always South African in all of her interviews and in the music she makes.
Lastly coloured people are a ethnic group and we have a culture behind us. We are not "mixed people who refuse to be black". Blackness is SA is also very tribal and cultural (not just a skin tone and features).
Amazing response
Lately it really feels like kiera prefers quantity over quality
Drake is of black american origin
But seriously, as a mixed Coloured South African who themselves has struggled with thier racial identity, this felt like a major slap in the face. I feel like tyla doesn't have to answer a question she doesn't want to answer? I dont know? This felt entitled. Sorry.
How is it entitled when she is in THEIR country wanting access to THEIR platforms and culture?
@@user-dv3kq3rm4hbro if you were mixed and you went to South Africa and they called you colored you would say no probably , bc it’s not the norm where your from
South Africans have already fought this fight online with Simone Umba and won
@@anathimakapela4227Much like any other country take Germany for instance it is absolutely NOTHING like American culture they may have started out that way when they came here a million years ago but Americans have made their own culture and own way of things to say it is anywhere close to African culture is absurd to me😂 the delusions in the comments are crazy! You're the same kinda person that when someone else comes to ur country gets insulted when someone insults YOUR food or YOUR culture make it make sense! South Africa may experience similar struggles but completely ignoring the struggles black Americans (I say that cause y'all love to curl your nose up when we call ourselves African Americans but stay saying it's the same culture when it's convenient) have when you come to our country is ignorant and u should go somewhere else if you aren't gonna respect it but want to prophet off of us
Well it's an even bigger slap in the face to us when she completely ignores the struggles we face when she has been profiting off of us . She is allowed to disregard us but we are supposed to care about y'all's feelings? Wanna talk about entitled what do y'all call yourselves but that? Could never be me!
First of all , tyla is still successful. Why does she need to have validation from black American ? Do you think that Taylor swift needed black people ? No! So why African have to bow down to black American to be successful when in fact a lot of black American singers like usher are very successful in Africa without having to pander to Africans and there different tribes . The answer and the truth is that black American think that we are inferior to them. Currently it’s tyla but Akon and burna boy have already talked about how it’s was difficult for black Americans to see Africans being successful.
Tyla is focused on celebrating African music and culture. She doesn't do it perfectly, but she is doing a great job.
I am so out of the loop, why didn't the video start by explaining what the inverview question was
Since the founding of our country to the modern-day, black americans have contributed substantially to art, science, literature, mathematics, and everything in between. But none of that is taught in our schools. For over two hundred years, credit has not been given where credits due. So when something like this happens, people are understandably gonna 2nd guess their support. People are sick and tired of non-black identifying individuals benefiting from a culture black people cultivated while simultaneously and continuously having their creations, innovations, and contributions being taken without credit, without proper respect or appreciation while at the same time, looking down on black Americans. Its the BIGGEST gaslighting in history. She isn't American, but she is directly benefiting from black american culture and black american support. I am not black myself, but if I were to even try to understand what that frustration would feel like, I think it would mentally break me a bit.
saying african culture originated from black americans is wild.
Literally who said that? Maybe I didn't listen well enough but never heard that said once. Y'all hear what u want at this point
Literally no one said that😭
I don’t think she was acting like she didn’t care, I think her PR didn’t prep her properly.
She probably should’ve been trained to say the statement they put together after the fact.
Thing is tho, even that would have opened her up to more questioning and she’s not a political/cultural/social commentator. You need particular skills to be able to translate your home country’s system into America’s binary one to such a large lay audience off-the-cuff like that. They were probably worried she would offend either black SAs or black Americans in the process, so opted to have her opt out.
I think being Black being considered "political" discourse in the first place should be interrogated.
@@eriskalligreat point, i totally agree!
Exactly and look what happened. She was damned either way. But the response was so grossly overdone. We can give grace to so many artists who turn out to be trash humans and commit very serious heinous acts but draw the line at someone else’s racial identity bcuz it doesnt align with what we want it to be? Wild
You dont get to choose her words dude
I don't think she's choosing her words. Tyla picks her words.. this woman is just observing possible effects of the route tyla took. And she's not wrong.
@@Coburnify ok kiera
@@shehrinchowdhury8908 who's Kiera?
omg why is tyla being held up to impossible standards? everywhere on the internet the talk abt her always comes down to race 1st, then her music or something.
she isn't even an american, her music is catered globally, it just happens to be america is one majority of her audience.
and her being is colored is explained multiple times before this interview too. it take too many times of receiving this question for the person to go to, "i feel like a broken radio repeating this explanation" which is hard for us(the americans) to understand even though it isn't.
Leave her alone , your title of this video is ignorant and silly.
Yup.
Well said 💯
The yankees don't like when people don't facilitates labels for them to categorize you.
confused as to why a woman not from america who presumably doesn’t know the nuances of american culture and how race is viewed in said culture was asked this question? she’s a south african woman so to assume that the african AMERICAN experience is universal is a little crazy to me
Who?
South Africa has some of the most intense racism and colorism. I bet if he asked her what a colored is she would have answered that.
Charlamagne (in his usual being right like 3 times a year) made a good suggestion bout making a song called we friends tho w kai in the video. That shit would do numbers for memeage alone
I feel like if she explained what “coloured” meant in South Africa in the interview, it would have gone totally different. It’s the way she looked back and then made comments at the end of the interview that was weird.
God I love you !! The way you speak how you carry yourself , your beauty can’t be beat. HMU 🤙 ❤
And take some sleep, your eyes bags are insane!
Hi Kiera 😊
isn't she mixed though?? I've seen people get offended when mixed people claim to be black so maybe she was trying to avoid controversy
Not really she colored which I'm ngl as a blk american my knowledge is still not the best on is its on thing like an ethnic group she's Irish Mauritania Indian and Zulu, she doesn't deny her subsaharan black ancestry and she clearly proud of it but on he mixed point imma be real as a non ambiguously blk person I see no problem with identifying as mixed I don't think it makes you less black if anything it's it's own experience and should be seen like that.