Tyla Repeatedly Defends Her Blackness with Coloured Comments
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Tyla is coloured bro. American standards are not the worlds standards.
Amurikah don't understand nuance
She fucking colored bro. These guys think the world revolve around them
Well she is in America so she should explain to us
@@Itshellasauce Or you can do your research
@@KG45Brham Imagine me going to Africa claiming I’m African lol
I'm black from South African and I would like to say American culture does not dictate what the world should adhere to. Most of the panel on the show would be classified as coloured in South Africa. Race is not binary
That's the widest part most of them would be coloured here
Race is not real
I agree. It will help stop a lot of non black Americans from attaching themselves to us when it’s convenient.
Thank you. Also, beyonce literally has mentioned being "creole" and they seem to understand what that ethnic identity is. Coloured and creole are essentially the same thing. What they don't realize that it's an official classification by the government. We literally have to tick off " coloured" when you fill in the section about race/ ethnicity on any form here in South Africa. They really can't understand the world outside of America. They have zero knowledge about other societies outside of their own.
@@mssummer07 we have no reason to understand Africa. Y’all have every reason to understand us. You all plan to live here one day. With that said, hope you all make it one day.
you clearly don’t live in America because if you did you would know that a lot of us do know a lot about other countries. I don’t understand why other countries spend so much time thinking we live in a bubble…..😵💫. Yeah a bubble a lot of y’all want entry into. Also if you understood the history of what being called “colored” as a black person here in America, you would know why we find it so freakin offensive. She’s here for money and fame so the least she could do is her homework. If it was the other way around we would for sure study up on the people and culture before moving somewhere so far away. It’s her fault for not speaking on it on the breakfast club of all places. That’s it and that’s all.
America is having an identity crisis on Tyla's behalf.
And the meltdown is truly amusing
She’s confused that one
I love this statement sm ❤
@@shawnsikhosana5022 she? If anything the ones forcing her to their religion like ideology are. Saying someone of mixed heritage is black is like 2+2=7. It’s beyond logic regardless of its historical contexts. Further, no one should respect a group of people who don’t know how to respect other peoples history/culture and boundaries.
@@hotbloodedethiopian6229 it’s no secret that coloureds from South African don’t consider themselves black hence I said she’s confused
My husband is South African. In South Africa they literally have a separate, specific group for mixed race people called coloured. 100% black people are not considered "coloured" over here. I think us Americans tend to be a bit self-centered and don't understand the world doesn't work the same everywhere.
It's not self centered if someone is getting their notoriety in black American spaces then acting like no one can question her.
@@thewordsmith5440she had already answered the question multiple times and was even bullied online yall just too ignorant, arrogant and yes self centered.
Self-centred is the right word… some of these panellists are obnoxious
she is acting like a young girl from jhb south Africa, and actually, her music is gaining traction because it is very different from the music that is being created in the states. she is fusing afro, pop, and piano in a refreshing manner that is capturing attention the world over.
I don't think black americans would give a hoot about any of this IF Tyla wasn't trying to enter into black American culture. Whoever represents her wants to capitalize on black people supporting her, but she ISN'T black. WHY can't we reject this infiltration?
This is so interesting to watch…. You got Black people telling other Black people who’s really black and who’s not… wild…
Americans there backwards on world affairs....
So crazy
@@ladiesunited it's how they are there in a timeless struggle...look how they acting over that Kendrick Lamar concert..like he's saving the world...
How? Tyla is NOT Blk, she a South African 'Coloured' woman- they are right.
In South Africa you have pure blooded black natives and then you have A separate group of Multi-Generational biracial/Multi-Ethnic coloured. But in America we're all constantly mixing so instead of there being a hard separation between blacks and Creoles we're constantly remixing so some people come out dark-skinned and some people come out the light-skinned. Dave Chappelle has more white DNA than Chris Brown but Dave Chappelle is dark skin and Chris Brown is light-skinned. Snoop Dogg is 30% Native American.
So in America we're all mixed to some degree and we run the Gambit of being more or less dark-skinned/ light skin where is in South Africa The colours were completely separated from the black population and speak Afrikaans which is the same language as the whites and the black population is more or less ethnically pure and they speak their Native languages and English. So they were separated on multiple levels and culturally developed differently.
To see three obviously MIXED race men sitting on the couch, talking about who's Black or not, is kinda ironic.
They wanna be blk so bad 😂😂😂😂now they out here projecting their insecurities on others 😂😂😂
LMAO I was creasing haha
😂😂
They are Black. Just because they are fair skinned doesn't mean they are not Black
@@tracie2191 😂😂😂
All of them sitting there , they are not black in African standards, if we going to that direction!
LOL I know right. They don't even realize they very highly likely have European blood as well.
Not even one of them 😂🤣😂🤣😂. That’s the funniest thing about this whole show
Thank you
Exactly all these men are coloured too.
Because they are no longer 100% black, yes. In africa you have to be 100% black to be referred as black African. Once you have a drop of blood of a different race, you are no longer black
Here in SA, TYLA is a coloured girl.
Then tell tyla to keep her azz in south Africa we FBA created this music and we are no longer renting it out to the raccoons
Tyla*
@@BabsW thanks
But, coloured people are NOT black. Coloured people get insulted when you call them black
@@user-sm2ex7lh5dwhere? Colourd people are black people bruv...🤦🏽🤦🏽smh..they are just mixed
"the black experience" like blackness was invented in America 😂
Exactly. The term was literally invented by British colonists in the late 1600s. They gave Africans that tag to divide poor British from poor Africans. But just before that they invented the term 'white' for themselves. White, of course, meant good and pure.
It’s an American thing to impose our views on others.
They act as if the language they speak was invented by them, how can you invent "Blackness" when that term comes from the English language. I'm Zulu and we've always referred to ourselves as Black within the language, the first slaves probably referred themselves the same way in the languages they spoke in before those were stripped away, so for them to think it's an American invention is crazy to me😂
🤔🙃Didn't the YT South Africans not invent SA's colored peoples and their beloved identity. 🤣
@@CheezzyAlfredo they didn't invent their identity, they just gave them a name they thought was appropriate, you have to understand apartheid is a combination of all oppressive regimes, colonization , segregation institutions that ever existed, apartheid was the perfect segregation system, so they drew many of their ideals from American Jim Crow laws, to freaking Nazi Germany. So how I imagine they thought of this is, these guys aren't Black, and they not Yt but they have a bit of colour so let's call them Coloureds, I'm telling you some of the ideas were so stupid you'd never imagine that they were real things. The cultural identity of Coloured people stems from Khoi San people, and other tribes, who later went on to create the Afrikaans language which was the watered down version of Dutch, spoken by Cape Malay workers.
This is why some artists don't do interviews.
😅😅
Exactly
Exactly. Why bait her? Char should know better than try to set up a 22 year old.
@@paulac875he did his job it was up to her to do hers but she wasn’t prepared and that’s what blew this whole thing up
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I am a coloured South African. I can tell you that coloured as a racial and cultural category only exists in South Africa. When you leave the country there is no coloured, you are just black. You are African. And I take pride in my blackness, my africanness. I would be pissed if someone tried to take that away from me because that is who I am. I stand with Steve Biko's black. But I can imagine someone trying to take away me being coloured from my identity, and the history and culture behind being coloured. I would never allow such because I'm proud of my people.
*Southern Africa. Not just South Ahh. The situation is the same for Namibians, Zambians Zimbabweans, Swazis etc
We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know
It's a Southern African thing, not just South African. You need to travel more.
@@illgoat Exactly. They are the Americans of Africa hahaha, now they are getting a taste of their own medicine. Does not even know across the Limpopo river there are whole communities of colored people. To be honest majority get along with black people. These debates are hilarious, how about we are all just human beings. The only issue comes fi someone thinks they are better than someone by virtue of their skin color. Listen to that white guy he said he has a Filipino friend and they call him black. Whites, colonialism, slavery are the cause of all this confusion
Then why she just didn't say that instead of allowing another none black person "hush" her and speak for her? If you proud of what you are then say it and keep it consistent. There shouldn't be a continued defending her race if she was loud and proud of it. Whwnnasked it seem like she didn't want to be known as a black woman because she don't want to be out in a box as if being a black woman is not good enough so saying "colored" makes you feel more superior and better. If someone ask if you're black the question is yes if you're black but she don't want to be known as a black woman but want the privilege of being in black culture. We are all well aware that black woman are looked down on by other cumtures
As a coloured from South Africa... Coloured and Black are 2 TOTALLY different cultures in South Africa beautifully respected as their OWN THiNG..
Facts
Awe
I hate that she put out that statement. Because it panders to the American public.
It’s also dishonest. Tyla is Coloured. It would be great if Americans took the time to learn South African history.
Pre 1994 Coloureds CLUNG TO THEIR PROXIMITY TO WHITENESS and would have been OFFENDED to be called Black.
So no, as a Black South African, Tyler is Coloured. I don’t claim her as Black and she needs to keep the same energy as her ancestors. I bet you $100 she has a LIVING RELATIVE that has called Black South Africans Kaffirs (our equivalent of the N word) and told their kids not to ever bring one home. '94 was 30 years ago.
So no thank you. She’s Coloured.
To put it in to context, imagine if Louisiana Creoles PETITIONED the US government to give them more rights and access during slavery or the civil rights movement because they were of mixed ancestry and TECHNICALLY not all the way Black - would Black Americans be okay with them suddenly wanting to be called Black because being Black is now "cool"?
That's basically the history of Coloureds in SA. They ASKED to be separated from Black Natives and took part in our oppression to some degree.
The girl is Coloured.
Sho my guy🤝
Wow i wasnt aware of the kumbaya between the two groups.
We picked up way too much from our oppressors. It’s time for us to unlearn some of this crap.
Coloured is also an oppressors classification regardless of whether in the US or South Africa. Coloured people just continued acccepting it even post apartheid. It’s their choice
SA is in a worse state. Let them go first... while they being colonized on their own soil and accepting old school racist labels [like coloured] as though we in the antebellum South 🙄
You’re your own oppressors
Your people sold your people into slavery. Facts are facts
No one is holding you back or oppressing you! 13% or the population is responsible for 56% of the crime in the USA.
To be fair, she didn’t come here saying “hey yall, I’m in the sisterhood” she just came with her Afro sounds, online trends ate it up, African music as a whole is booming right now and on an incline in terms of mainstream popularity, she doesn’t owe anybody anything and she’s still being classy about it… but I get the feeling she wants to tell people off for trying to control her speech whilst being from a whole different culture
She came here stealing Black American Pop/R&B/99-2000s Esthetics. Black American Culture is the reason she has a grammy.
Africans STEAL from Black people in West like a bunch of colonizers. Then yall have the nerve to be offended when we judge by the standards of the culture you stole.
literally, some people are so ignorant in America, they cant even understand someone being from Africa without being black, they dont see how big and diverse the continent is, Tyla is a proud South African, that doesnt mean she has to be black, she is mixed heritage, while being 100% South African
I don't know why you're so hard on her, while in Africa where she is from, the origin of blackness, no one is offended.
In SA coloured is not just about skin colour, there’s a culture and history to the coloured-ness
They'll never understand that
It's best to not even try to explain to them
@@RVREGTAG. That's dumb. Just keep explaining it so more people will know.
@@Meatwad787 at a certain point you're gonna get tired of explaining the same thing over and over
Coloured is a ethnicity there are light,dark,indian,khoi,Malaysian looking Coloureds what unites them is their culture
Race is a social construct made by Europeans that changes depending on where you are there is nothing biological about race
@@Meatwad787 they can literally just google coloureds and see how diverse they look
One of the most famous coloured benni Mccarthy is literally dark skin
They rest of the world won't get it. I mean being coloured in SA is not just about being mixed race, it's a culture, because you do get darker skin people who are coloured in SA and get very light skin people who are Zulu or Xhosa or Sotho in SA
It’s very unfortunate that Black Americans are scrutinising and judging Tyla on her identity and skin colour not her talent and artistry. Sad state of affairs
We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know
South Africans are cool with that terminology of racial hierarchy from the racist apartheid system. Black Americans not so much.
@@southwestkinema9149true
it's fucking sad she can't explain it in a interview bc her pr ppl won't let her speak about her identity
She sounds like an industry 🌿
It’s not that deep, if you have any sense. Y’all need to leave that girl alone!
Exactly!!
Black American culture is not a cosplay routine. People are so used to just taking and benefitting they think it's not a big deal. That's over.
tyla needs to leave the BLACK community alone. tyla should market h erself to h er people at South AFRICA and leave BLACK Americans alone.
ty la needs to leave the BLACK community alone. ty la should market H ER self to H ER PEOPLE at South AFRICA and leave BLACK Americans alone.
@@getbuckets4252The gate is closed. Go pretend to be Asian or something but it's over over here
Joe is actually really wrong about the tyla situation , Tyla never said im black, she said she’s coloured , black people were the ones saying she’s denying her blackness
The world doesn't revolve around America
It does when your stealing American Culture to build your career.
Yes, but when you are in America, got got to respect the culture
I am American, and I understand.
Apparently it does because everyone wants to be us but not the struggle us and if weren’t true all the constant going ons about us wouldn’t be as loud as it is so your statement is nonsense on top of a conflation failure!!
@@williamcarter9066 The world doesn't revolve around America buddy
She is mixed so in Africa she is termed as coloured not "African black" but in America she is black i dont understand how this got complicated
It's not. We get it. We don't trust it. Seems like she using us for bigger gain. That's what it is, we're just being cautious.
She called herself coloured and said she's not black.
@@terrinyc29cautious of some 20 year old girl 😂😂😂😂
@@terrinyc29 Shes more black than alot of African americans, Ish would not be considered black in some African countries
@@BadMonTing If a 20 year old Britney Spears said she was Black, that wouldn't raise your eyebrow? What's the difference?
Trying to get an American to understand how things can work differently on another continent is almost always a huge waste of time 😄.
6:44 Tyla has said, in all her interviews, that she’s coloured. Chill chill chill.
In South Africa. Outside she said she's black
She corny... she's Indian
She is using it to have access
🤦🏾♂️ Coloured means mixed in SA. Compare that to indigenous tribes in SA you get a clear distinction between being a Mixed person (Coloured), and a Black person (Zulu).
In America though almost every Black-American is mixed, with White/Native-American etc. Therefore most Black-Americans are Coloured, because they clearly aren’t like the original Africans that were taken to the USA. Black-Americans are and have been mixed since then.
@@___Truth___ colored is an insult that came from America goofy. SA came and studied segregation in America and brought it there. Colored is derogatory statement.,. black is not special to Africa,,, there are Black Chinese, Vietnamese, Thai, Indian, Pakistani, Philippine!! Black is the hue of your skin.
as an American I just find it embarrassing that this is even an issue.
Same. Why do ppl care so much? She’s her to make music, if you like it follow her, if you don’t, leave her alone
@@Abner-gu3veBlack Americans dont need our music associated with the word colored. We alrdy went through that. Boycott her American influenced/stolen music and have her come back out as 100% African
@@Abner-gu3veshe’s here to capitalize off the same audience her and her followers don’t cleave to. Actually her followers tear black Americans down constantly calling them essentially self absorbed thinking the world revolves around them. Yet she’s here just to capitalize off the “black” multi billion dollar demographic. Yet we as black people won’t and don’t support our own local artists that you’ll never hear dissociating from “blackness” ie. Munilong, sevyn streeter, Chloe, normani. We really have a problem with keeping our money within our community as darker skinned peoples in America.
@@Abner-gu3ve Because she is always in black experience it's not crazy. There are people questioning John Leguizamo who was always in Puerto Rican spaces yet he was Colombian.
@@thewordsmith5440 ion give af. I’m here to listen to her music, I ain’t concerned about her race. Some of y’all care way too much about race when it don’t matter
As a coloured from South Africa, Ish was the only one with some sense here.
I don’t think you fully understood as to why they had a diffrent viewpoint Tyla isn’t trying to break into AA music industry as much as she is in America at this moment, but her experience is different so when you want to promote yourself in a certain way you have to ground yourself in that culture we can’t just go to South Africa and claim we are black we would then be colored or be set into whatever standard it is over there it’s assimilation at its finest which is what they were getting at.
The difference is culture, that word means something in America and it means something else in South Africa, already we use words to describe the same things so it makes sense that some words are used to describe different things.
In American history it was used to degrade African Americans, in South Africa is used to recognise people from a culture that was born through a mix of different cultures.
The same way the N word is a racial slur there but in the Zulu language a word that sound exactly the same means give, and in Ethiopia it means king.
@@Dasiah_Gamingyou right on that on how they see it, but that's the problem being black can't be a monolith
African Americans need to understand that the culture they fight so hard to protect has been curated by entities outside of it. Embrace other black experiences that's the only way to start fixing shit
@Brian_Cross facts. The wild part is "colored" in South Africa IS the same as America, but due to apartheid they just "roll" with the Dutch bigotry
@@zod4365truth! No one wants to say it. How the classification of race was done in South Africa was derogatory in general.
It's something else if she goes around calling other people Coloureds in America, but she's telling you what SHE is. When she's saying she's a Coloured she's not telling you about her color, she's telling you about her ethnicity, the same way I would say I am Zulu or a Nigerian would say they are Igbo, there's another ethnic group in South Africa called Coloured, who have their own distinct culture, so if you ask her what's her color in the context of America she will probably say black, but you can't seriously ask her to denounce her whole ethnicity because it just so happens to share a name with a box of pencils (Coloured Pencils) :) And No! it's not the same as the N word which serves no other purpose than to be a derogatory term, the word Coloured is used every single day to describe many other things so this is not the same. Africa is so much more diverse than Black or White, it's where you find the lightest and darkest people in the world, so if someone tells you their ethnicity, it's got nothing to do with YOU, it's perhaps something new to learn about.
I think people are not questioning ethnicity they are questioning race. Zulu is an ethnicity but the Zulu person identifies as black from a race standpoint. Coloured people do not want to be associated with Black in South Africa from a race and ethnic standpoint. So it’s not just ethnicity it’s race as well. And also even if she is from South Africa the coloured term was also from a classification provided to them under segregation which made them better than your black ethnicities. The question is how should race be classified if at all? does it matter?
@@nellasquare2092 People have every right to question whatever they want to question, but in this instance the argument needs to be based on whatever she said and not what people feel, especially with the narrow view that seems to cloud some Americans in regards to race and ethnicity.
Black Americans do not have tribes, kingdoms, ethnic groups etc. within the umbrella of the "Black race" so it's a little foreign to them to get an answer other than "I'm Black, White or Brown" when asked what they are. It's different in Africa and I dare say everywhere else. Ask anyone in Africa "What are you?" they won't say "Black" they will tell you "I'm Zulu, Xhosa, Ugandan, Cameroonian, Yoruba" etc. Hence the answer from Tayla.
In regards to what South African Coloureds identify as, they identify as Coloureds, yes many do not classify themselves as black because that's not how the race is organised this side of the world, but I know a lot more of them who relate more to their black side of their genetics than the white side and vice versa. Black Americans had the same problem with Mulattoes who were treated better than darker skinned slaves so this classification you're mentioning is nothing new, you still have people referring to themselves as Mulatto that side without causing this petty uproar that Tyla seems to have caused. I can't tell you how race should be classified, it shouldn't really matter but the reality is that it does, hence these arguments. Coloureds are just a mixed race of people, but even they know that they have black in them and most importantly that they are African.
@@seehleD If she's coloured there, she cannot be Black here(or America in this specific instance). You reading comments saying "don't cosplay", it's being said for a reason in this instance.
@@caribbeandream4247 lol What is to be Black? Maybe you need to explain to me what you think that is before we go any further. Genetically she's part Black African she knows that, we know that, every Coloured knows that, but socially/culturally/ethnically she belongs to a group called Coloureds here in Africa, which is what she said she is, she never said she's not black based on American classifications coz she fits within the so called "One Drop Rule".
I do not understand this fake outrage, yall let Hispanics say the N word freely over there, let them adopt the "Black" culture without any hitch, you got Beyonce and her family calling themselves Creole and Black without any issues coz for some reason you understand that with her, both identities can exist, but for some reason Tyla is apparently cosplaying yet she's a born and bred African girl, do you see the double standards?? Or you're still outraged?
@@caribbeandream4247😂😂 Tyla is black more than black Americans wake up😂😂
Who really gives a f*ck?
clearly Americans🤣
Probably only a small % percentage of Americans who have nothing better to do. Joe is clueless, just making money from his podcast - must be a slow news week 😏
Us! Africans too. Because those colored people hate africans and so they never want to be called black. Why get the goodies of a black society!?
@@ladydi876joe has a point. My mom is east african and mixed race but she says shes black. Colored south africans dont want to be called black. Its very obvious, so why give them a platform?
americans apparently
The South African designation of "coloured" was a way to caste. So to be coloured was to be of a higher caste over black people under Apartheid.
Exactly! Even to us africans they still feel so! South africans are just ignorant and damaged.
EXACTLY. Everyone seems to be totally ignoring that. I suppose it's because they are 40 and under.
Trust me Apartheid was a system of white and none white, anything below white was a different version not level of low
They @@lorddlangamandla1313they were treated better than black people...
Exactly, and that's why some individuals referred to as "coloured" struggle to accept that they are black. They were conditioned to feel superior to black people
The problem is that Americans think the world revolves around the USA..lol
Crabs in a barrel mentality once again...
True bantus
How is it if she isn't even black? She is not considered black in South Africa and was never called black until coming to America.
@@thewordsmith5440 Black Americans like to one drop everybody into blackness.
@@thewordsmith5440 bro everywhere else in the world apart from South Africa she will be identified as black, not just America. But She’s coloured and grew up in the coloured culture in South Africa. It’s that simple.
Coloureds have a dark history. Before South Africa was a country, every Tribe had it's own territory. Coloureds, are descendants of the KhoiKhoi, the Khoikhoi had the Western Cape region,that's where the Dutch came and settled. They clashed, fought two wars. Dutch/KhoiKhoi wars. The Khoi were destroyed, eventually they didn't have numbers to fight, Dutch brought them to near extinction, genocide. Dutch had brought South East Asian slaves to work in the Cape. Over hundreds years of mixing , a new people emerged with a unique culture. Coloureds are descendants of ancient African tribe,Asian slaves with some European ancestry from mostly Dutch settlers.
Coloured is considered a race but its more of a culture. A biracial person born now today can appear to be Coloured but culturally not be Coloured . Trevor Noah is biracial, culturally he's Xhosa not Coloured.
There is no real Coloured look, because we are a tribe of tribes.
Namibian Coloureds speak Afrikaans too, they are part of us. Namibian Coloureds are originally from the Cape, hundreds of years ago they migrated out of Cape Colony and settled in what is now Namibia.
This is a good comment
Thanks… this comment is better than wikipedia
Bla bla bla
We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know
perfect summary u prolly got 80-100 in history 🙌🏽🌐
Why do Blacks in America think they are more black than Africa or any other blacks in the whole world ...? Ish is the only person talking sense in this conversation...and Americans must stop thinking they set the world standards. LOVE Tyla🇿🇦
She doesnt even make american music she makes african music literally piano and afrobeat... Why is this even a conversation?
Because the blacks in America want to carve out their own identity. They don’t wanna be Africans or white. Their identity is ONLY black. As a result you can’t just come in their and call yourself black just cause.
Black in America means 'cool' and someone can claim it even if they are mixed races.
In South Africa, if you're of mixed races, you are Coloured.
Coloured in South Africa is not just a matter of skin colour but a culture too.
Tyla cannot say she's black even if she's in America or anywhere in the world. That term is defined by her place of birth. A mixed person from American cannot come to South Africa and claim to be coloured because he's Black from home. To conclude, Tyla is Coloured, world.
Not everyone mixed is Coloured even in South Africa always stress that too, enkosi.
Trevor Noah is not coloured. Being mixed doesn't make you coloured. Albeit very diverse, Coloured is a specific definition of people.
We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know
Am a bantu of uganda but am black by race! My dear, whats your race? Not culture!! Fool
@@11simonjrthe Trevor Noah example is ridiculous cause now you’re confusing race and culture. Stop. It’s already complicated.
I don't see why it's an issue. Get schooled.
It is. We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know
I dont think she's black she part black but she's mixed so it's better to just call her mixed or coloured
its you not being black thinking your two cents are required here. ✋
This conversation was so tone deaf, in South African is a COLOURED woman. Why would she not be that when she leaves there?
Because the only reason she’s called colored is because she’s in South Africa. She’s not colored because she’s colored
Because she not there anymore duh 😂
@@ariuwg4186So now you want her to be Drake🤨Y’all are confused and can’t make up your minds.
@@williamalexander9485 where did I say I wanted her to be black ? This white man just said to yt people she’s just black. You need to read and listen
Then you'll call her a coloniser like you do with Drake. Her race is Coloured. This isn't the same thing as Trevor Noah where he's black in USA
The level of trauma South Africans endured in recent history is something we americans cant comprehend... you have to address her as if shes coming from a different world.
South Africans are cool with that terminology of racial hierarchy from the racist apartheid system. Black Americans not so much. Let it drift. All this over a one hit wonder.
Being called "Black" and being offended by the word "Colored" is wild to me. My opinion, accepting "Black" is still accepting "colored"
"Coloured" has very, very, very bad historical meaning in the USA & the UK to a lesser extent. South Africans are cool with that terminology of racial hierarchy from the racist apartheid system. Black Americans not so much.
@@southwestkinema9149Black is also because of the white man
@@southwestkinema9149Black Americans are also cool with calling themselves a word that a European coloniser gave them 😂😂😂 and using a derogatory ‘N’ word as a form of greeting. Who’s really delusional?
Where you live, not in America
@@noranjoku7651but spreading sexually transmitted disease took over your culture. The reason most black Americans don't travel to Africa or South Africa. The scamming there is crazy. We'll leave Africa to the Indians, Chinese, and Mzungus.
America 🇺🇸 you are not the WORLD leave her alone.
Please
Y'all try'na Americanize her? 😂
That white boy dont need to be apart of this convo
Lmao
😅😅😅lol
Tyla is similar with Vijay Singh. Vijay Singh is a dark skinned person and in America, many would want to classify him as black, but where he's from in Fiji, he was classified as an Indian person. He can't just start to identify as a black person in America because he didn't interact with black culture in his native country. Tyla is the same. Yes, she looks black but her experiences and spirituality are so far from that of a black person. Trevor Noah on the hand, is mixed and lighter than Tyla but he has lived the black experience and has black spirituality.
She doesn’t look black at all, she looks indian
We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know
Thank you this is a great example. Trevor’s mother is a Black Xhosa woman whereas Tyla’s parents are both Coloured. People need to understand that she does not have the same experience as a Black South African and will likely lose a big part of her core SA audience if she lets herself get bullied into no longer identifying as Coloured.
Should me a non mixed black person that looks like Tyla…
@@OnyxamberTrue. Coloreds hate being mistaken for blacks. If she accepted Americans calling her black they would turn on her.
I promise you this is one of those internet things, look at comments non of us care real life, your getting treated like family regardless has anyone ever at a Function gone “mmm your not black enough can’t enter” 🤝
Coming from a white man you and your people hate to talk about race.
Real shit 💯
Agree! Totally ridiculous, made-up "controversy" for podcasters & commentators like Joe desperately searching for topics to discuss. This is such a non-issue and while his guests made some valid, well thought out comments this seems above Joe's head
According to the internet she’s not invited to the cookout 🤣
I’ve been in the states for years (from Southern Africa) and I have always been welcomed but I know people who haven’t so 🤷🏾♂️
As a black American born in the hood and raised in the hood of west augustine and over town. People I grew up around, didn’t even consider Jamaicans or Haitians black. It’s a small mind set that’s crazy. The older I got, the more history I learned, the more I understand how ignorant we are as an American black people when it comes to blackness, colorism and culturalism.
Woah woah. Jamaicans and Haitians are definitely black, but I still see what you saying
The knowledge Ish has on South Africa is needed in America. 🇿🇦
We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know
It's not "you guys". It's "Yho guys 🧍🏾♀️"
And South Ahh is short and beloved nickname for South Africa 🇿🇦
Uthini na wena SMH
😂@@Star-hg1kt
this is something Aka would say I guess 😅
Bro they talking bout race, ethnicity, and blackness, but I see 3 light skinned men and one
White man do they qualify to speak on blackness? To some people they are not even black enough to speak on the issue here 🤣. It’s an ongoing stupid topic. All we need to know is that if we are not white we about them. Period. Malcolm X and Rosa Parks were “mixed” and yet they are two of our most known leaders in AA history. The leader of South Africa had lighter skin which is native to their county. I could go on and on and on.
I hope this doesn’t affect how Tyla views herself. She probably has more native African DNA than anyone in that room.
They can speak on the issue. Three of the gentlemen are black and one is white.
No they are not black themselves @obinnaezealah2465
@@pageantspageants4358 they are black.
@@obinnaezealah2465 They are not black!
We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know
“American standards of blackness” 🤦🏾♂️
Literally from Africa, where the original blacks are from
@@mxl8755 We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know
Even hearing some Americans say Carribean people aren't black
@Ghecco09 In southern Africa a lot of carribean people would be considered coloured a lot of yall are mixed so they're right to a certain degree
"Coloured" has very, very, very bad historical meaning in the USA & the UK to a lesser extent. South Africans are cool with that terminology of racial hierarchy from the racist apartheid system. Black Americans not so much.
😂😂😂 “I can tell you as a white person that’s true”
The American 1 drop rule 😂😂😂😂😂😂
We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know.
Absolute madness.
The most stupid rule.
Black Americans don't even realize that their "one drop" rule was meant to dehumanize them. The rule was saying that once a person has a drop of blackness in their DNA, they're tainted as shouldn't be considered pure or 'white'.
If you have no proper contextual appreciation of south african history please dont speak on it .
The only reason this came about is because some time ago she out her mouth said she wasn’t black. I noted it it cause I knew this would happen. And so here we are…🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Black has a different definition in south africa. Tribal entity means a lot. Race is a social construct and in america that construct is different from other places.
Are you slow? She literally said in South Africa that isn’t what she’s called. But she knows she is black. Her mother is black zulu. Maybe you should’ve noted that! 🙄
Individuals like Ty la identify as anything other than BLACK because they believe that will spare them from the effects of ANTI-BLACK PREJUDICE. The problem I have is the DISHONEST way those types of individuals conduct themselves, they refuse to attach themselves to anything BLACK when it suits them but pretend to be BLACK when they stand to benefit financially. They need to keep the same energy, they shouldn't be DECEITFUL.
@@efef6853in South Africa, Tyla is colored... not black, colored.
@@BadMonTing then she needs to stay at South AFRICA and leave us alone.
She's right. Shes colored in South Africa.
We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know
In the US blackness is based on who would have been a slave originally, which is a relatively low threshold of African heritage. Its crazy people dont know that.
She has never ‘defended’ her blackness because she doesn’t have to, she is not black in Africa or here. She is coloured, which us a racial and ethnic group in South Africa where they have their own culture separate from fully black, white and Asian South Africans. She looks and sounds Indian, black Americans just try to claim everyone with a drop of black especially if theyre pretty
She doesn’t look or sound Indian. We have Indians in South Africa they do not speak like that unless they grew up in Coloured neighbourhoods, she’s Coloured. Wait till you find out that there’s different kinds of Coloureds and they are essentially 2/3 different tribes within the Coloured community. They could be an are a mix of Khoisa (which are people native to Sotuhern Africa), African, English, Black, Dutch, French, German and Malaysian. This is because of colonialism and slavery by the Dutch and English. The mix depends on which tribe (mostly as a result of their demographic area) is and some look blacker and more African than Joe does.
@@Musa-ut6ce my point is she looks and sounds Indian much more than black. She doesn’t look black or have an accent of a black south african. I have Indian and Sri Lankan friends that are much darker than tyla with similar facial features. Her curls are slightly tighter than curly indian ppl, but she has an obvious mixed heritage. Calling her black doesn’t make sense in South Africa or in the US. I’m from South America and no one would see her as Black either, but we go by our nationalities before race since most of us are a mixture of white, native, and black and don’t identify with any single racial group.
@@MyChannel-ul3tm As a South African, I am telling you she looks nothing like Indians in South Africa and no one would ever mistake her for one. She looks like a Coloured girl. Some Coloured girls are lighter than she is and almost look white and some can be darker. To us, she looks nothing but a Coloured persoj and to White Amarican, who found race theory over there anyways she's black. If Mariah Carey is seen as a black person, Tyla will never be mistaken as anything but black in America. Don't know why that's a debate.
We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know..
Stop stealing Black American Culture and we will live you alone.
In South Africa, coloured is a race. Leave Our princess alone 🖤🇿🇦🖤
this is Black culture..
Black South Africans are cool with that terminology of racial hierarchy from the racist apartheid system. Black Americans not so much. Let it drift. All this over a one hit wonder.
It's just Americans Americaning again 🤷♂️
Giving you a platform. You’re welcome. You’re not like us✌🏾
@@cityghost9058 And white people give you platform do you say thx masa and kiss their ass everyone you guys go their platform which is almost every single one ? No, so shut up !
@@cityghost9058 nazi ahh comment
@@cityghost9058you're bullying one of our own undeservedly and you want us to keep quiet because "platforms". GTFOH
@@cityghost9058 a platform to disaparage another artist? Definetely not like yall
I’ve seen many South Africans say coloured is not the same as black, it’s its own race. Tyla probably never identified as black before so that’s the thing, she can say she’s colored and just leave it at that it’s fine
Americans need to get over themselves - a term in the USA does not have the same conitation in the rest of the world. Mixed race people from all African countries south of the equator - Kenya, Tanzania, Angola, Mozambique, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Swaziland, Botswana, South Africa - PROUDLY refer to themselves as colored, out of preference. Accept it, they want it. Colored is not regarded as an inferior term in Africa. They don't want to be called black....because they are not black, they are mixed. It's like calling them white...or Indian - they have that mix in them, but you don't hear people calling them white or Indian. Why try to label them as black.
no offence to the white guy there, but why does he think his opinion matters, he isnt God
In a conversation his opinion matters.
Having the views of ALL sides is relevant to any
discussion involving race.
WTH she does not need to defend her blackness
She is not. She is running away from it. If you are cool with that terminology of racial hierarchy from the racist apartheid system. Let it drift. All this over a one hit wonder.
She doesn't. Leave that colored word over in Africa
Tyla is coloured in South Africa So Voetsak
I love this comment so much yaz. 😭
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 Not Votsek 😂😂
Voestek nawe tshi
She’s South African! How are you going to say she’s not black by American standards? America is not the standard - the world has changed - you’re not the centre of the world anymore!
Why are we fighting over labels our oppressors have placed on us
i hate when people who don't even come South Africa say this type shii , Joe SHE IS BLACK AND SHE CAN SAY COLOURED! WE SAY COLOURED
Her people are being careful, they just saw what happened to Drake
We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know-
😂
She is not American
@@janomesteve3129 yeah nobody said she was
The person who created the concepts of race and racism must have so much fun watching us tearing each other apart over stuff like this. We are ALL ONE, and the quicker we realize that, the faster we achieve sovereignty, emancipation and TRUE freedom. Love you ALL.
I swear
We aren't all one 😂 you're dumb if you believe that
Tyler blew up in America making non-American music. You guys can’t call her a culture vulture or whatever like yall try with other mixed or non-black people in the states and you guys can’t dictate how she will be perceived because the art she blew up with over there does not even belong to black American. It’s African. It’s Afro-Beats and Amapiano.
People are getting tired of the I’m claiming black when it’s convenient for them like when they’re trying to sell you something or pander to you to get you to listen to their music.
The issue isn't that Tyla has an identity crisis, but rather that America and it's people can't define what it means to be black to them. From a world view, black is a colour and we should consider culture a lot more than so called race. Coloured in south africa is made up of people with historically mixed heritage (Mainly black african, white european, indian and asian), but over many years has formed an entire culture and identity. However, coloured people are still people of colour. The reason black americans struggle to understand it is because their historical culture was stripped from them during the slave trade. Where as in South Africa, black people have their own cultures that go back thousands of years such as Zulu, Xhosa, Tswana, Sotho, and more. Therefore, as a coloured person not only is there a difference in genetic admixture of ethnicities, but also a separation in culture. Whereas in america, african americans are all lumped together regardless of historical culture and identity, which from a positive perspective allows for a more inclusive perception of who is "black" but disregards cultural and even to a degree genetic ethnic contexts.
So weird joe and tyla have similar complexion yet he can tell her what she is lol
She repeatedly defended her blackness when she is the one who stated that she was colored and made that distinction in the first place.
And share no racial genetics. See how funny that is? Joe is probably mixed with black and white. While Tyler has no black. She is indian, Malay and some white.
@pumelelabanca1442 Bro her mother is mixed race white and Black clear as day. Her father is not considered full white either.
Do you know what a white person is?
@@nickb839 No she is not. Her mom is Cape colored. Who told you that her mother is biracial?
Her comments are very educated. Thank you Tyla!!
We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know
No She is not Black she is coloured, I am a South African and know our culture and Coloured are identified as their own Race so dont get confused do some research first. Americans are so judgemental
Yet Black people accept Beyonce as Black even though she has acknowledged her French and Native American background.
As a South African 🇿🇦 social media gotta stop being outraged at everything. The girl knows what she is, why you gotta add your own opinion on top of that.
Wer don't care. Stop stealing. Yall Africans dont get tired of leeching off of Black Americans. Dont steal from our culture, come on our platforms and tell us what not to be offended about
Just to explain to Americans: The English language involves words that have different meanings and contexts in different English-speaking countries, such as England, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. It is difficult to explain. Just don't assume that words have the same effect in every Anglo-sphere country. Some of these countries are thousands of miles apart and all have different histories.
Then she can stay over there. But if you wanna be big HERE, you have enough professionalism and respect for the audience you're trying to cultivate and make money off of to know how to not offend them. Trevor Noah doesn't have this problem...maybe she should talk to his publicist.
@@devildhamTrevor is 50% black and raised by a black family and speaks a few African languages. Tyler here in South Africa is colored... let her be. What did she do to offend??
@@devildhamTrevor noah is mixed race. Coloured is a whole different thing, Coloured is a mixture of different races. Coloureds are classified as black in South African historical context and definition. Even Indians and Chinese are classified as black in South Africa. Just look it up.
@devildham you're so ignorant and you missed the point.
@@BadMonTing Apparently she said before that she's not Black. If that's the case, when did she become Black, and why?
Omg yall Americans will make a big deal outta anything😭😭 you don’t dictate how the world views race btw
You’re an extremely divisive individual. Just as the many other I’m assuming “African” commenters attempting to attack “black” people in America through terms like “you Americans…” and “the world doesn’t revolve around you.” I wish the black community would just ban together and seperate from anyone that’s trying to attack them like Tyla’s “African” followers. What a terrible complex to have. And btw, there are many nationalities of darker skinned people living in America.
South African here 👋🏾🇿🇦 Yes, coloured is a separate race here. The roots are a lil... um.. complicated because the first generation of coloured people were mostly biracial black and white, who were then separated and placed in their own sections by the Apartheid govt. Because they had white heritage, they were taught English and Afrikaans and purposely discouraged from exploring and embracing their black roots. Some coloured people are racist towards us black indigenous people because they were socially educated to be, so if anyone senses tension beyond what is spoken, it's because of that. And now that black empowerment programs are being rolled out, we have a bit of an issue with them claiming blackness because they were given preferential treatment by white people during Apartheid and many don't speak indigenous languages. Black and coloured people have always avoided conversations like this.
This conversation is tiring because of some people who dont want to accept that America is not the world but simply a small piece of land in it. We dont have an issue that some people if not most in America dont claim to be African. They call themselves Americans which that is that even more stupid.
Just because you don’t want to hear it doesn’t mean it’s not true, in her country they classify her as colored in America she would be called black. I’m Nigerian, we were colonized by Britain, barely got our “freedom “ 60 years ago… shit every country have their own ish Leave her alone, listen to her music or don’t 🤷🏽♀️
Tyla is from south Africa and South Africa we hv coloured nation... Tyla she's not American
Stop STEALING AMERICAN CULTURE. No???? Then STFU.
Americans is not educated enough about us South Africans.
Mel is a black woman and Tyla isnt?? 😂😂😂 yall bugging fr
You do realize race is classified differently in different countries
They both aren't and you know that. In order to be black you need two black parents.
They don't come from the same country. So, yes indeed they are and are not.
Racial classification varies throughout the world. USA does not set the standard. Anyone of mixed race would be considered _coloured_ in South Africa because they're not totally aboriginal (tribe) or white.
Tyla is not black this is coming from a South African!
She is coloured , in south africa we are a race, we are coloured people just live with it
Trevor Noah's first Stand Up in the US had a bit explaining this to Americans
Shes darker than Joe, thats for sure
So? Her dad is even darker than her and he is an Indian South African.
Joe is mixed with white, Tyla has mostly Indian who are dark skinned ppl
Darker than my east African mom and family. Shes damn black! They just want to claim superiority we know them!
We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know
@@missbstuurmanhe is south african! That is it. If he wants to be indian he can pack and get the hell outta africa
Being black has nothing to do with skin color. There’s Indians darker than him that doesn’t mean they black
Most NON-FBA's did NOT even consider themselves to BE Black until maybe the last 15 - 20 years. When I was growing up I had multiple friends who would refer to themselves as "Jamaican AND Black" or "Haitian AND Black. The term "Black" used to exclusively mean Black American until relatively recently...
This is bullshit, I am a Black South African and I've always been a Black South African. Americans have never owned Blackness.
Thats so wrong it hurts my head when colonialism took place in Africa africans were referred to as blacks you didn't invent that term and its simply comes from white people .😂 you guys just say anything
Everyone here go look up Apartheid in South Africa, it's essentially their own Jim Crow era.
Look at parents that tell you rather she black,white or mixed
This segment is called colorism ‼️ 4:16
It's simple to understand if your from southern Africa.. Coloured is neither white or black. If your blood is mixed, your coloured in southern Africa.
South Africa.
@@JHB_Boy_ZAJOZI Namibia has coloureds
@@tamleyburds8750 the whole southern Africa,
@@JHB_Boy_ZAJOZI botswana, Zimbabwe, zambia , Namibia all have coloured its a regional thing buddy
@@Shayzar1yeah because it was colonized by the same people
South Africans that identify as coloured have said it's not to take a way from or to be less black... but they don't experience the world the same as a darker skinned black person...
We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know$
I ve a friend...she is from Thailand she married a white south African man...colored kids re telling her daughter she is also colored ...my friend told me that she hates it when they call her daughter that...she will never be colored..
as a SAn, I am quite impressed by Imani and Ish's grasp of global race dynamics, especially that of our country.
also, though many may not "see the point of this conversation", I appreciate it as an opportunity for black people across different geographies to learn more about each other.
Not saying anything they're saying is wrong, but I feel like the conversation would lean more towards Joe's point if the co-hosts were dark-skinned.
Gohs this is the brain you use everyday lol. Complexion is ur take smh even the idea that dark skinned peeps think one-way is the worse part.
Black in America is different from black around the world and that’s just facts but Tyla should of had that answer ready when she was doing the interview. Not post it on social after the backlash especially since she knew that was going to be a topic because it has been in previous interviews of hers. She looked bad because of the way she handled the situation not because of what she said.
"Coloureds (Afrikaans: Kleurlinge) refers to members of multiracial ethnic communities in South Africa who have ancestry from African, European, and Asian people. The intermixing of different races began in the Cape province of South Africa, with European settlers intermixing with the indigenous Khoi tribes, Indian and Asian slaves of the region. Later various other European nationals also contributed to the growing mixed race people, who would later be officially classified as coloured by the apartheid government in the 1950s." from Wikipedia
It was established during apartheid for anyone who was not "white" or from an aboriginal tribe.
I found that out in seconds, they could have done the same and moved on, it's not her job to explain this 5 million times for intellectually lazy people.
Durban coloureds are mixed with English and Zulu folks ,Tyla`s mum is a Durban coloured who is part Zulu .She doesnt speak Afrikaans like most Durban coloureds .She is no Cape Coloured not the same in many ways.Cape Coloureds want nothing to do with blackness .
This is done so respectfully for the context. Thanks, love from SA