"It is a ton of fun..." Alright guys, new plan. Forget installing locks secure enough to keep LPL out. Use these locks to simply keep him entertained long enough for the cops to arrive.
This is an old Indian design meant for safeguarding something which has a joint custody. Like 4 brothers, or 4 partners with a key each and to ensure that whatever is inside the safe gets opened with all of them present. There were diff variants of 2,3,5,7 keys.
These are available even now. However more complicated. The ones i saw never had anything so evident. You end up searching which key is to be used first.
@@aakashsubramanian besides the nut driver, all those tools are pretty common as thieving tools. You could probably even drop the wrench and open it with the pliers if its not torqued into oblivion.
@@aakashsubramanian seriously non of the tools he used are specialized. I bet most homeowners and renters in USA have all those tools, most have several of each of them....
I made a better one from an old ABUS. The ultimate padlock ! I does NOT open at all ! But it doesn't lock anything either. Introduce anything in it, the alarm goes off ! 🤣
I think it is the best lock I have seen. If this were on a gate and some thief walked up to it, they would need four distinct tools one of which would have to be the precise right sized wrench. Many would take a five second confused look and walk away.
In a sense that is good security; no one would want to pick a lock if they need four different tools to do it. Part of security is deterrence and I think this would do very well in that regard.
ok but.. this would be such a cool obstacle in an escape room. imagine you have to do 4 little tests to find 4 keys to be able to open the door for your escape
I know what you mean. I recently bought one just for the hell of it. Shockingly, it still only has four pins in the core, the body is made of what appears to be cheap aluminium alloy, the anti-drill ward looks like it can be bent out of the way with a screwdriver, and the core actually looks like it can be pulled out after depressing what looks like a spring catch that's accessable through what is disguised as a drain hole. I am going to tear it apart to investigate it. I'm also wondering if the reason they make them so easy to pick is so locksporters don't cut them open to see what's really inside.
This seems just like the kind of lock that would be in a Resident Evil game, except you'd be forced to actually find the keys for it and wouldn't be allowed to use just any bent piece of metal. XD
The new Tomb Raider games look and feel so slick, but the gameplay is just lacking that sense of wonder that the originals did! No puzzles from any games have stuck in my head quite like the ancient deity themed ones from the old Tomb Raiders! And that inside-out-muscle-Lara-clone thing still gives me shudders to think about
Also thieves are less likely to carry these tools than a set of actual lockpicks which means it could potentially be more secure than every single master lock product
@@rastas_4221 You are correct, mostly, for now. In the old-timey world before the internet, the tools for proper lockpicking were rare and the skills and techniques even more rare. As the internet has made both vastly more accessible, it is slowly but surely becoming less rare. That said, lock picking has been fairly common among extremely _high-profile_ thieves for ages. So if you are locking up anything valuable enough to attract serious attention, expect picking attacks to happen.
@@rastas_4221 have guy seen the old doors here in Indian temples? They are very huge and heavy thingy. There usually are no other ways that don't through the door in olden times.
I'm liking this channel less and less, because of how poor this guy's perspective has become. Without having seen such a lock before, most thieves would have to resort to destroying the lock. Because there are no perfect solutions to keeping someone out of something they have direct access to - only solutions that delay or dissuade - the "puzzle" element of being unusual, is exactly what makes this lock secure. But now he's put the solution in front of the whole internet, amongst a database of info about how to pick locks. They say that knowledge is power, and that knowing your locks are insecure is part of that, but thieves who watch this channel are increasingly exposed to the solutions of locks that would actually show them down, and force them to risk exposing themselves to onlookers. He's making perfectly good delay locks into utterly unusable locks.
ha ha ha. Reminds me of the old Barney Miller episode where the young cop was late because he was playing Missile Command and kept getting extra cities.
This lock reminds me of the old knot tying saying, “If you can’t tie a knot, tie a lot” for the people that just keep adding more of the same crappy knot over and over.
@@diakounknown1225 I know it's a joke, but just as a little tip here: You actually decrease the rope "strength" (increase it's likelihood of snapping) by tying more knots than necessary. It has to do with the way tension is transferred.
But still.. having a lock with a keyhole hidden away like that and it needs some time of unscrewing to reveal it seems like a pretty good thing. With a real lock core and stronger material, this could be a legit lock.
@@Garfelck All the skill in the world and a pick for a master lock won't get you into that thing. How many scuttling sneak thieves have a set of socket and end wrenches in their pocket?
I am Indian and my family uses this lock to keep ritual stuff safe. The 4 keys are given to each of the parents of my parents. So whenever we gather for a specific ritual they bring the keys with them and so we all often end up together in one function ❤️.
Encryption is the art of getting information from point A to point B in such a way that point C can't read it. DRM is the art of getting information from point A to point B such that point B can't read it. But B has to read it.
@@CandyGramForMongo_ Fair enough. Unfortunately for everyone involved, modern DRM _still_ doesn't work, and it has the side effect of making the pirated versions _superior products_ to the legal ones, so even people who'd prefer the legal one might pirate it just to avoid the hassle. This is known as a "Perverse Incentive."
@@Rathmun This is something that annoyed me especially with DVDs. Like, go on a streaming site, look movie up, start watching. DVDs? Several copyright-warnings, unskippable trailers... It's like anything between 3-10min before you can actually start watching the damn movie.
Play a game series called The Room, there's a bunch of stuff like this in there. They are inexpensive but are good puzzle games and time wasters, this lock reminded me of the game as soon as I saw it
There is one in Greece that utilizes this exact lock. Bad thing is this: It was at the end of the room, to provide some kind of story tension. However, it can only be tinkered by one person. That meant, that my team of 4 more people had to stand idle and watch me (as the to go person in puzzles) go full LPL on it for a good 3-4 minutes. As a game designer myself, I explained that such puzzles are best given at the start of the escape room, so that one person can tinker with it while the other members of the group are occupied with the rest of the room.
An escape room I did in Reading in the UK in 2016 used lock almost exactly like this and as one of the replies suggested, most of the puzzle involved finding the individual keys. Half the battle was figuring out how the lock worked, I imagine it would ruin the fun having seen the lock in advance
It was likely a 12 point socket. Not an 8 point. I doubt you will find a home store version (not a Proto) of a Stanley 8 point socket set…anywhere. A 1/4” drive Stanley socket set in 12 point deep however, which includes a 9mm, is sold at just about any Walmart across North America. Pretty common. A 12 point socket will round the corners of a square head bolt with anything more than mild torque. This lock for example, would be extremely low torque, and a 12 point would work fine, as shown here.
@@yzmoto80 : You're probably right. My illusions are crushed. If you freeze-frame the video right around 2:25, you can see that the socket is marked with a 9 with a square around it, which I thought meant it was for square nuts, but it seems that that's not what it means since I found photos of a Stanley 12mm 6-point socket with similar square marking.
@@amoghus Most puzzles _should_ take longer to complete than opening most locks. Designing a lock which takes longer to break into by making it harder to open _with the key(s)_ is not an accomplishment. The only way MasterLock would feel awkward about that is if they don't have anyone on staff who knows how locks are _supposed_ to work. Which is plausible.
This lock design was made in Mauryan era. General tools which are easily available in any store were not available then which would make it more safer than any of today's lock. Also, distribution of keys (wrenches) would guarantee responsibility of safety on all key holders.
And that one of the other players who INSISTS they are good at locks would spend fifteen precious minutes faffing around with because they don’t realise it needs four keys.
You need a whole key ring just to open one lock. Imagine losing key #2 and you spend an hour searching your house like a Zelda dungeon looking for the one small key you missed.
ive read about it and in old times it was a lock for business partners who have no trust in each other so they have this lock .it can only be opened when all four are present.
@@PowerConnoisseur Until #2 gets a generic pair of tongs and a wire clothhanger. If anything, this seems like a lock built to scam your business partners, since three of the "keys" are extremely easy to replace.
@Shubham Queera Wrong. A pair of tongs and a bent piece of metal is all you need. You can reassemble it just fine, too. And yes, any culture that can cut threads in metal will have those basic tools. Do you even logic?
It would work in the sense that a burglar would see it and probably move on because it's so different. All security is about deterrence in the end. The problems arise when the burglar decides to come back later with more tools to investigate it.
Lockmaker that has no idea how to make a lock or even that good at machining. But still managed to do a better job then a company called masterlock. Makes you wonder how dangerous this man would be if he knew what he was doing lol.
@@LavitosExodius Besides, it was made in India. The machine was probably a goat. And I dunno, this lock is unusual and annoying to open. Only problem is, if it were my lock I wouldn't want to deal with it either.
And you need to at least know how the parts operate, which isn't like with most other locks, whick are kinda all really similar to each other. Figuring that out, thinking of which tools might do the job and having them ready, and going through the steps, may take a few minutes. A thief will probably use a bolt cutter though to get around the hassle.
@@adamrezabek9469 The term devil's advocate is used as a way of saying [just for the sake of debating, not because I actually support the other side] [insert argument here].
@@Sirenhound but even if you know what needs to be done it takes about the same amount of time as if you'd had the keys (and that's not only seconds but about 1 minute), if you may not destroy it. there are quite some padlocks you can open without destroying in seconds, sure often that's still longer than using the key which makes them arguably more secure in a relative way, but there are no shortcuts here. I think it's possible to use this puzzle lock and improve the security aspect building onto the concept. For example exchange the second last step with an actual cylinder lock, that a spring tries to close constantly and that needs to be open for the last pin to get removed. And add a spring to that last pin, maybe even make that 2 pins where the outer one just hinders access to the actual locking pin.
I love this lock. Instead of beefing up the security, they just have multiple steps that are a pain to go through and would take time for a thief to figure out, to deter theft.
This feels like when your DM makes an ancient and intricate puzzle lock on a door, and your party remembers the kegs of gunpowder they found on the pirate ship they boarded 5 sessions ago.
and even with the tools, and knowing how it works and which tool is used in each step, takes longer than usual lock, but using it daily it would be a pain in the ass as an owner lol
US horror movie: victim has all the keys and spends a lot of time to find correct one to open the lock Indian Horror movie: victim has all correct keys and spends a lot of time just to open the lock
If you've ever done the 'I gotta pee' dance while franticly trying to unlock your front door - Imagine how franticly you would be dancing trying to get this thing open.
Locking the exits like this would probably be a fire code violation for good reason. edit: just for fun I found the osha rule: "Exit route doors must be unlocked from the inside. They must be free of devices or alarms that could restrict use of the exit route if the device or alarm fails"
If this was Indian movie, LPL would have flipped a car while lockpicking this lock... Get out from car, show the lock he picked easily, and then the car explodes.
So I decided to measure the time. I might be off by one or two seconds, but I tried to measure from when he first touched the lock with purpose of unlocking it to the moment the lock popped out. The result? Using the keys took approx. 49 seconds (0:23-1:12). Lockpicking took approx. 52 seconds (2:07-2:59). Including the fact that time was taken to explain the tools used for the picking, I think we can safely say that it takes basically as much time to get one of these open with its keys as it would to pick.
it takes 4 keys or 4 tools to act as the "keys" the core point is it takes just as long with keys as without them. and thus, is still more secure than the master lock. ;D
All located within the cursed realm of lockazhar. Each key belongs to a keeper of unknown. They are massive steel golems. guardians of forgotten vault. It is up to our champion LPL to defeat them and obtain the power obtained in the vault. To keep peace in lockazhar!
@@giin97 New Zealand is even further ahead then us here in Australia. It’s pretty cool but kind of weird as literally every other country is behind us.
Well, merry christmas to you then. Also, it kinda depends on what part of Australia you live in, doesn't it ? Pretty sure it's not yet 11 PM in some parts of the country like the west coast.
@@unoriginalgamer8796 yes I know he said "that I've seen" but I'm pointing out there are videos where he picks locks and lock boxes with soda cans, spoons, butter knives, forks, etc. I think all he's missing is a plastic spork vid.
We had a Ford tractor that we had on the ranch and the key had gone missing at some point. We discovered that a flat blade screwdriver worked perfectly for it, no jiggling required.
If it was designed as a parallel puzzle (where things only happen when different parts of the lock are moved by keys simultaneously), then it would be more of a lock.
@@User0000000000000004 it is a lock, cause it can LOCK UP stuff. its just not a traditional lock. a lock is simply a divice that denies entry or access unless you got the appropriate device to open it.
The real trouble is fighting your way through a mansion full of zombies and narrowly avoiding becoming a Jill sandwich to find all the keys needed to open it.
Not to be confused with fighting your way through a police station full of zombies and narrowly avoiding an encounter with a tall, dapper, bioweapon to find all the keys to open it.
Well granted there's like a billion people in India, if he showed a picture of a random person from India, you could also say the same. Just because you personally haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I haven't seen half the master locks he's picked in my 3 and a bit decades on this planet, and they're a mass produced lock! In my local area, everything is disc padlocks, or a cheap Chinese lock. But a recent trip to a legal area in my local city displayed a huge variety of fancy locks, new and old. Half of them were probably useless, but they sure looked imposing, almost like a sign that says "just walk on criminal, the next one will be easier"
@@Guess_The_Number depends on how you look at it Most people wouldn't know how to operate it, and it would take them so long to find out that the police would already get there
I get home, unlock my door, walk in and hear a man's voice say: "Hi, I'm the lock picking lawyer". Me: "I figured, make yourself at home, grab a drink". LPL: "I already did, thank you".
With some slight alterations you could make an actual interesting lock out of something like this. Something hard enough to force destructive bypass for anything but a dedicated picker with free time. All it needs is a decent lock for the outer shell body rather than it's current standard sized nuts, and a swappable lock core (or two) on the inside layer that you couldn't scope out in advance. Anyone can pick any lock with enough information, but add the outer shell (and get the mechanical parts right inside) and your deny visual access to the information they would need to finish the second layer of the pick. They would need to go in blind, and unless they had permission to fiddle with it that's daunting for anyone, particularly if you have different varieties that all look exactly the same until the shell comes off.
The difference is an actual lock has a fixed uniform design with some sort of variable key with entropy. You can swap the discs or pins on an actual lock so that two locks require different keys. Designing to avoid various bypass attacks and add pick resistance (serrated or mushroom pins, sidebars, etc) doesn't fundamentally change this fact. There's nothing bittable in this device, so it's not really a lock.
it reminds me of a typical security system written using an outsourcing company located in India. Absolutely the same idea: security through obscurity.
I used one of these in my D&D game. The party collected the keys from dungeons and ran through a final dungeon to find a stone sarcophagus covered in runes and sealed with this lock. I then placed the lock on the table and set a timer. 6 adults couldn’t figure it out in the 30 minutes I gave. We called in the son of one of my players and he had it open in about 5 minutes. Unfortunately for the party, they were lied to about the contents of the box and then had to fight an illithilich as a penalty.
@@nixand_brennt No Referee should ever lie to their players. NEVER! You just feed them ALL the information and let them sort things out. It is good that you had child of one of the players try the lock by themselves to prove to the group that it could be done in less than 30 minutes. VERY VERY valid counter test for the Referee. The Lich was a fitting end for a failed lock.
I love this lock. Maybe simple but takes time to get in it. If someone messing with lock and you not notice. You meant to lose things. Other locks picked so quick. This one is IKEA set.
to be fair its 0 keys as none of them have cryptographic value. A key would require some varibles that could be changed, but the "key" for any version of this lock would open any other lock so its not really a key, its a tool
@@allensmithphotography I was assuming that only one of the holes would be the right size. Not much of a puzzle, though: there's only one key that can operate each part of the lock, and the only nonlinear part of the solution is that you could try using the last two keys in either order.
don't recall chris ramsey had this particular one? can't see it flipping through his vids. mr puzzle has got a (2 year old) vid on it though it only had 3 keys (where the 'key' with the square socket in the bow also did the second step). It was also in better condition so that the seam between the first bit that unscrews and the rest of the lock was effectively invisible, which probably just about qualifies it to be a 'puzzle', albeit a very obvious one.
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"It is a ton of fun..."
Alright guys, new plan. Forget installing locks secure enough to keep LPL out. Use these locks to simply keep him entertained long enough for the cops to arrive.
Good idea
You would need a ton of locks like these.
*starts putting out various locks that dont lock my door, but are there to bait him into picking them*
Absolutely flawless
*GENIUS!*
This is an old Indian design meant for safeguarding something which has a joint custody.
Like 4 brothers, or 4 partners with a key each and to ensure that whatever is inside the safe gets opened with all of them present.
There were diff variants of 2,3,5,7 keys.
so one person with a multitool and a piece of metal can open it alone lmao
@@Aimero operative phrase being 'old design', idk how Prevalent were multi-tools in the Mauryan era.
@@vj8593 Mauryan Kingdom era was 2200 years ago so this is a very old locking mechanism
These are available even now. However more complicated. The ones i saw never had anything so evident. You end up searching which key is to be used first.
this reminded me of that one safe in thieves guild in skyrim
pretty sure this lock is meant to stall the person who buys the lock rather than the person who picks it
I mean if someone was asked to pick a lock and knew nothing about this lock it would be weird for them to have all the tools necessary to open this .
Nah, it’s just... *weird*
@@aakashsubramanian besides the nut driver, all those tools are pretty common as thieving tools. You could probably even drop the wrench and open it with the pliers if its not torqued into oblivion.
@@carstekoch yeah . It's just a trick lock .
@@aakashsubramanian seriously non of the tools he used are specialized. I bet most homeowners and renters in USA have all those tools, most have several of each of them....
when security doesn't even matter anymore : just make the lock annoying to open
Annoying not only for the intruder but the owner too.
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I made a better one from an old ABUS.
The ultimate padlock !
I does NOT open at all ! But it doesn't lock anything either.
Introduce anything in it, the alarm goes off ! 🤣
I think it is the best lock I have seen. If this were on a gate and some thief walked up to it, they would need four distinct tools one of which would have to be the precise right sized wrench. Many would take a five second confused look and walk away.
In a sense that is good security; no one would want to pick a lock if they need four different tools to do it. Part of security is deterrence and I think this would do very well in that regard.
ok but.. this would be such a cool obstacle in an escape room. imagine you have to do 4 little tests to find 4 keys to be able to open the door for your escape
jessefivey remember the movie? Jeez
Next resident evil game will feature this lock
I did an escape room in minnesota with this exact lock
I think I did an escape room with a lock like this before.
you just described any video game ever
The kind of locks found on adventure games like Tomb Raider and Uncharted lol
Yes!
Wel said...
Don't forget Silent Hill
What happens on Uncharted 2? I played it but forgot
Yea it reminds me of locks in The Room games, always have some weird way to open them
When “not-a-security-device” is still better than Masterlock.
takes longer to open at least haha
I see no difference between the 2 you have mentioned.
I know what you mean. I recently bought one just for the hell of it. Shockingly, it still only has four pins in the core, the body is made of what appears to be cheap aluminium alloy, the anti-drill ward looks like it can be bent out of the way with a screwdriver, and the core actually looks like it can be pulled out after depressing what looks like a spring catch that's accessable through what is disguised as a drain hole. I am going to tear it apart to investigate it. I'm also wondering if the reason they make them so easy to pick is so locksporters don't cut them open to see what's really inside.
MasterLock ccan be opened using a paperclip and this thing can be opened with a hammer. One tool each. I see the logic.
@@penfold7800 masterlocks are one of the best padlocks. I secured my investment Krugerrand coins in my basement with those
This seems just like the kind of lock that would be in a Resident Evil game, except you'd be forced to actually find the keys for it and wouldn't be allowed to use just any bent piece of metal. XD
But isn't Jill supposed to be the Master of Unlocking? (Whenever she's not busy being a sandwich, that is)
@@georgesears934almost a Jill sandwich.
Watching that lock expand was like watching an old school Tomb Raider puzzle
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The new Tomb Raider games look and feel so slick, but the gameplay is just lacking that sense of wonder that the originals did! No puzzles from any games have stuck in my head quite like the ancient deity themed ones from the old Tomb Raiders! And that inside-out-muscle-Lara-clone thing still gives me shudders to think about
A moment to appreciate the guy who designed and built this delightful bit of amusement.
it was more work than designing a masterlock i bet!
Yeah. This design is probably more than 500 years old, so it must've taken some thought.
Shout out to Apu from Kwicky-Mart.
We've doing it for years in india
A big moment for the big chootiya who made this
Also thieves are less likely to carry these tools than a set of actual lockpicks which means it could potentially be more secure than every single master lock product
Actually, I could totally see a thief carrying all 4 of these. Only one is really specific, and even that can be done by a small variety of tools.
Drills:
bro everything is better than masterlock
Hacksaw.
This holds you out longer than most locks, so this is High Security compared to a Master Lock
...putting it in the same class of "locks" as duct taping the door shut.
@@rastas_4221 You are correct, mostly, for now.
In the old-timey world before the internet, the tools for proper lockpicking were rare and the skills and techniques even more rare. As the internet has made both vastly more accessible, it is slowly but surely becoming less rare.
That said, lock picking has been fairly common among extremely _high-profile_ thieves for ages. So if you are locking up anything valuable enough to attract serious attention, expect picking attacks to happen.
@@rastas_4221 have guy seen the old doors here in Indian temples? They are very huge and heavy thingy. There usually are no other ways that don't through the door in olden times.
Still less secure than a double layer of ducttape
I'm liking this channel less and less, because of how poor this guy's perspective has become. Without having seen such a lock before, most thieves would have to resort to destroying the lock. Because there are no perfect solutions to keeping someone out of something they have direct access to - only solutions that delay or dissuade - the "puzzle" element of being unusual, is exactly what makes this lock secure. But now he's put the solution in front of the whole internet, amongst a database of info about how to pick locks.
They say that knowledge is power, and that knowing your locks are insecure is part of that, but thieves who watch this channel are increasingly exposed to the solutions of locks that would actually show them down, and force them to risk exposing themselves to onlookers. He's making perfectly good delay locks into utterly unusable locks.
"Hey, why you late for work again?"
"Sorry, I have to lock the house...."
ha ha ha. Reminds me of the old Barney Miller episode where the young cop was late because he was playing Missile Command and kept getting extra cities.
@@jeffbecker8716 Perfectly reasonable excuse for being late!
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took a 1/2 hour to lock it up
It's sad when a puzzle does a better job of keeping someone out than an actual lock.
this isn't dialy life friendly
That still took him more time than any actual security lock lol.
It would also take an amateur less than compared to a security lock.
but only true for real professionals
@@yuridoggo9075 Amateur wouldn't even know how to open this without looking up on the internet
@@dieptrieu6564 an amateur would have a fair idea on how to pick it since it doesn't require much thought.
@@pecadodeorgullo5963 Really. Because as someone who never see this before. It would take me forever to understand what to do
This lock reminds me of the old knot tying saying, “If you can’t tie a knot, tie a lot” for the people that just keep adding more of the same crappy knot over and over.
I would assume that they are typically half hitches?
@@timothybarney7257 I would knot know! .. I will get my coat
Ooh! I like that, especially because I suck at tying knots.
I tie them up to 5 times depending on how strength is necessary.
@@diakounknown1225 I know it's a joke, but just as a little tip here: You actually decrease the rope "strength" (increase it's likelihood of snapping) by tying more knots than necessary. It has to do with the way tension is transferred.
But still.. having a lock with a keyhole hidden away like that and it needs some time of unscrewing to reveal it seems like a pretty good thing. With a real lock core and stronger material, this could be a legit lock.
And yet took longer to open then picking any master lock, with tools most people actually have lol
actually
@@User0000000000000004 akshually
I think that's because it takes longer to open it with actual keys than picking a Master lock.
It takes longer, but it also takes much, much less skill.
@@Garfelck All the skill in the world and a pick for a master lock won't get you into that thing. How many scuttling sneak thieves have a set of socket and end wrenches in their pocket?
I am Indian and my family uses this lock to keep ritual stuff safe. The 4 keys are given to each of the parents of my parents. So whenever we gather for a specific ritual they bring the keys with them and so we all often end up together in one function ❤️.
Cool!
That is really cool! The lock may not be a super secure thing but the symbolism of a family coming together is priceless.
That's very interesting.
I thought it's just a puzzle lock like it's featured here by Mr. Puzzle:
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what a beautiful tradition
That's amazing and easily justifies the existence of this lock
This channel makes me not want to own anything valuable, ever.
You can berry your valuables in your back yard somewhere. 😂
Do not store up for yourselves treasures upon the earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. Matthew 6:19
what about knowledge?
@@gabakusa please go back where you came satanism will rain
@@DeathracerXD Pretty sure it's a bot, there's been a lot of Christian bots lately
Imagine being a thief who only has lockpicks: "Shit..."
No.
@@User0000000000000004 yes
I'm not even a thief, but I do carry a multitool, and that'd probably be more than adequate.
mostly they might have a swiss knife, which can go through it
You only need one tool, a bolt cutter.
This is like DRM software for real life: A bunch of annoying hurdles for the end user to jump through in lieu of real security.
Encryption is the art of getting information from point A to point B in such a way that point C can't read it.
DRM is the art of getting information from point A to point B such that point B can't read it. But B has to read it.
And easily bypassed. Usually.
Close. B is the hardware. The attacker is C, the user, who has complete control over B.
@@CandyGramForMongo_ Fair enough. Unfortunately for everyone involved, modern DRM _still_ doesn't work, and it has the side effect of making the pirated versions _superior products_ to the legal ones, so even people who'd prefer the legal one might pirate it just to avoid the hassle. This is known as a "Perverse Incentive."
@@Rathmun This is something that annoyed me especially with DVDs. Like, go on a streaming site, look movie up, start watching.
DVDs? Several copyright-warnings, unskippable trailers... It's like anything between 3-10min before you can actually start watching the damn movie.
I have a feeling that when this was a popular lock, not everyone had access to these kind of tools.
This is a modern lock
@@Pao234_ it's a recreation of a 2200 year old lock
How did they machine the bolts? It would be more impressive to see a recreation of that imaginary technology.
Quick math: in the same time LPL opened this he could have picked an average of 3.334 Master Lock #3 padlocks.
I feel like that's a slight underestimation in all honesty, though i could definitely be wrong lol
So this is after all a security device.
So you are saying this "not a lock" would be a better deterrence than a masterlock #3?
LPL needs a timer in MasterLock #3 equivalents, so we can rate all locks on a standardized basis.
you just need two tools a rake and a wiper insert
I like how he tells us the sizes of his lock picks, but not of the wrench and drivers he used.
3/8" wrench and 9mm socket
This looks like the kind of lock that they use in anime to seal a demon inside a room
This type of lock would be great if used in an escape room.
Was thinking the same thing
YES!! You have to find all four keys AND figure out how to use them.
Play a game series called The Room, there's a bunch of stuff like this in there. They are inexpensive but are good puzzle games and time wasters, this lock reminded me of the game as soon as I saw it
There is one in Greece that utilizes this exact lock. Bad thing is this: It was at the end of the room, to provide some kind of story tension. However, it can only be tinkered by one person. That meant, that my team of 4 more people had to stand idle and watch me (as the to go person in puzzles) go full LPL on it for a good 3-4 minutes. As a game designer myself, I explained that such puzzles are best given at the start of the escape room, so that one person can tinker with it while the other members of the group are occupied with the rest of the room.
An escape room I did in Reading in the UK in 2016 used lock almost exactly like this and as one of the replies suggested, most of the puzzle involved finding the individual keys. Half the battle was figuring out how the lock worked, I imagine it would ruin the fun having seen the lock in advance
Lol, when a "comedy" lock takes more time to open than a "master" lock XD
Ha. So True
I love that LPL considers a 8-pointed socket for 9mm square nuts to be a "common hand tool".
It was likely a 12 point socket. Not an 8 point. I doubt you will find a home store version (not a Proto) of a Stanley 8 point socket set…anywhere. A 1/4” drive Stanley socket set in 12 point deep however, which includes a 9mm, is sold at just about any Walmart across North America. Pretty common.
A 12 point socket will round the corners of a square head bolt with anything more than mild torque.
This lock for example, would be extremely low torque, and a 12 point would work fine, as shown here.
@@yzmoto80 : You're probably right. My illusions are crushed. If you freeze-frame the video right around 2:25, you can see that the socket is marked with a 9 with a square around it, which I thought meant it was for square nuts, but it seems that that's not what it means since I found photos of a Stanley 12mm 6-point socket with similar square marking.
@@BrooksMoses True that my friend, I don’t why they have to outline a size marking. 🤔
In any event, good eye ! Cheers !
That awkward moment when a puzzle is more difficult to open than a MasterLock lock...
What about it?
@@User0000000000000004 do u have brain cells?
@@amoghus Most puzzles _should_ take longer to complete than opening most locks. Designing a lock which takes longer to break into by making it harder to open _with the key(s)_ is not an accomplishment. The only way MasterLock would feel awkward about that is if they don't have anyone on staff who knows how locks are _supposed_ to work.
Which is plausible.
@@falleithani5411 I see thanks for the explanation.
Imagine being drunk and trying to unlock this. Then realising you've lost a key in the pub
Just go look in your tool box.
@@ericwalker6546 but your toolbox would be inside your house
@@b00tt3r_5 now that you bring in that detail. I didn’t know if he came home drunk from work or from going out for the evening.
@@ericwalker6546 both
@@swaglevi4315 if he came home drunk from work he should have his tool box with him. But I understand what you are saying.
This lock design was made in Mauryan era. General tools which are easily available in any store were not available then which would make it more safer than any of today's lock. Also, distribution of keys (wrenches) would guarantee responsibility of safety on all key holders.
This looks like something you would need to open in an escape room.
And that one of the other players who INSISTS they are good at locks would spend fifteen precious minutes faffing around with because they don’t realise it needs four keys.
I've run into this exact lock in an escape room. Took a hell of a long time to figure out how to open it.
You need a whole key ring just to open one lock. Imagine losing key #2 and you spend an hour searching your house like a Zelda dungeon looking for the one small key you missed.
Just open the treasure chest in your basement. The lost key is always in the treasure chest
ive read about it and in old times it was a lock for business partners who have no trust in each other so they have this lock .it can only be opened when all four are present.
@@PowerConnoisseur
Until #2 gets a generic pair of tongs and a wire clothhanger.
If anything, this seems like a lock built to scam your business partners, since three of the "keys" are extremely easy to replace.
@@nicekid76 Sometimes you need to drain the pool to find the key.
@Shubham Queera
Wrong. A pair of tongs and a bent piece of metal is all you need. You can reassemble it just fine, too.
And yes, any culture that can cut threads in metal will have those basic tools. Do you even logic?
I think it would work rather well in a city environment. Really, how many burglars know anything about Indian locks?
But they sure know about grinder.
It would work in the sense that a burglar would see it and probably move on because it's so different. All security is about deterrence in the end. The problems arise when the burglar decides to come back later with more tools to investigate it.
@@akilbukhari7041grinders would make a lot of noise in this case and sparks you'd be more likely to get arrested when you get it open
Lock maker: Has no idea how to actually make a lock, but has a lot of skill in machining.
in fairness the machining is pretty rough.
if by "machining" you mean "owns a file"
That is some god awful machining we got there!
Lockmaker that has no idea how to make a lock or even that good at machining. But still managed to do a better job then a company called masterlock. Makes you wonder how dangerous this man would be if he knew what he was doing lol.
@@LavitosExodius Besides, it was made in India. The machine was probably a goat. And I dunno, this lock is unusual and annoying to open. Only problem is, if it were my lock I wouldn't want to deal with it either.
As the devil's advocate: It _did_ require four tools...
And you need to at least know how the parts operate, which isn't like with most other locks, whick are kinda all really similar to each other. Figuring that out, thinking of which tools might do the job and having them ready, and going through the steps, may take a few minutes. A thief will probably use a bolt cutter though to get around the hassle.
do u want to say that this lock is devil?
@@adamrezabek9469 The term devil's advocate is used as a way of saying [just for the sake of debating, not because I actually support the other side] [insert argument here].
@@h.1699 Yeah it's a bit of security through obscurity in that sense.
@@Sirenhound but even if you know what needs to be done it takes about the same amount of time as if you'd had the keys (and that's not only seconds but about 1 minute), if you may not destroy it. there are quite some padlocks you can open without destroying in seconds, sure often that's still longer than using the key which makes them arguably more secure in a relative way, but there are no shortcuts here.
I think it's possible to use this puzzle lock and improve the security aspect building onto the concept. For example exchange the second last step with an actual cylinder lock, that a spring tries to close constantly and that needs to be open for the last pin to get removed. And add a spring to that last pin, maybe even make that 2 pins where the outer one just hinders access to the actual locking pin.
This is why you need 4 different keys from different bosses in video games
*LPL:* _That's more of a puzzle or a mechanical obstacle course than a security device._
Still better than Master Lock.
"We finished our new Rube Goldberg machine, but we need something to secure the start switch."
"I've got just the thing..."
haha
Haha
I love this lock. Instead of beefing up the security, they just have multiple steps that are a pain to go through and would take time for a thief to figure out, to deter theft.
I mean, to be fair, who's just going to be carrying around all those things when they're expecting to pick a lock.
My multi-tool has all of them except the bit driver - and I’ll bet the needle-nose pliers would work there as well.
@@DanStaal I'm not saying it's impossible, it just seems unlikely.
I don't know what people carry when expecting to pick locks but common tools always come in handy
All those things will be in a lot of people's trucks
@@metamayto Multi-tools are more common than lockpicks.
This feels like when your DM makes an ancient and intricate puzzle lock on a door, and your party remembers the kegs of gunpowder they found on the pirate ship they boarded 5 sessions ago.
_And they roll a natural 20 when using them, to add insult to injury, lmao._
Or when the dwarf fighter with a Dex dump stat and no proficiency with Thieve’s Tools rolls a nat 20 on a DC of fifteen to pick the damn lock.
Lockpicker: "I didn't bring my socket set."
and even with the tools, and knowing how it works and which tool is used in each step, takes longer than usual lock, but using it daily it would be a pain in the ass as an owner lol
mechanical obstacle course sounds a lot more dangerous than it is
No it doesn't.
@@User0000000000000004 it does, if by mechanical you mean traps and blades and spears coming at you while you run the course
I could imagine quite a lot with those words, so sure
This Lock is just the gift that keeps on giving.
"It took LPL over a minute to open this look" - the smith
US horror movie: victim has all the keys and spends a lot of time to find correct one to open the lock
Indian Horror movie: victim has all correct keys and spends a lot of time just to open the lock
And then he dances.
@@sergnoff94 while kills the villain with his moustache
Resident Evil games WISH they were as tedious as this Indian lock.
Lmao I'm indian and this is hilarious 🤣
Lol😂😂
If you've ever done the 'I gotta pee' dance while franticly trying to unlock your front door - Imagine how franticly you would be dancing trying to get this thing open.
@@Reddiin XD
I assume this is for extended family "vault" where valuables are kept.
This is an great novelty lock, and I was so stoked to find it as part of an escape room my wife and I played over the summer.
Imagine trying to open this when your house is burning and you're trying to escape
Locking the exits like this would probably be a fire code violation for good reason.
edit: just for fun I found the osha rule: "Exit route doors must be unlocked from the inside. They must be free of devices or alarms that could restrict use of the exit route if the device or alarm fails"
@Edgar Critter He a little confused but he got the spirit
@Edgar Critter True, home locks would be covered in building codes, most of which have similar fire safety requirements.
@Edgar Critter Yeah you're right. No idea if it's legal to make it difficult to escape from your home in a fire. Solidly stupid idea though.
Dad yelling: WHERE'S THE FUCKING WRENCH????!!!
If this was Indian movie, LPL would have flipped a car while lockpicking this lock...
Get out from car, show the lock he picked easily, and then the car explodes.
All while 300 musicians, dancers and singers are doing their thing in the background with fireworks and long sliding pan shots. Ah yes. Bollywood.
As an Indian, I approve this!
And everyone on the street would be dancing with him and picking Masterlocks.
Whilst a row of men are taking a crap on the sidewalk
I'd watch it
I love the way both the lock and the keys look in this one. Just lovely.
I'd rather have this protecting my stuff than a normal padlock
"mechanical obstacle course" sounds like the scenario under the hood of my car
So I decided to measure the time. I might be off by one or two seconds, but I tried to measure from when he first touched the lock with purpose of unlocking it to the moment the lock popped out.
The result?
Using the keys took approx. 49 seconds (0:23-1:12).
Lockpicking took approx. 52 seconds (2:07-2:59).
Including the fact that time was taken to explain the tools used for the picking, I think we can safely say that it takes basically as much time to get one of these open with its keys as it would to pick.
it takes 4 keys or 4 tools to act as the "keys"
the core point is it takes just as long with keys as without them. and thus, is still more secure than the master lock. ;D
I look forward to these every other day, one of the best and most interesting content on TH-cam 👏🏻
True. I'm almost 30 and I never would have thought that I could be that interested in lockpicking.
"Not an actual security device", still takes more time to open than most Masterlocks!
You have to defeat 4 main bosses to get those 4 keys.
All located within the cursed realm of lockazhar. Each key belongs to a keeper of unknown. They are massive steel golems. guardians of forgotten vault. It is up to our champion LPL to defeat them and obtain the power obtained in the vault. To keep peace in lockazhar!
@@bane4743 Yeah but this is LPL, he just clips through the door and takes on the final lock boss
@@ino_mation 🤣🤣🤣
@@bane4743 NO NO NO --- to face the adversary of the THINGS MADE HERE DEMON, and its Unpickable Lock ...
I'll escort myself out ...
It just turned Christmas in Australia when this was uploaded. It’s a Christmas miracle!
Dang. I frequently forget how far ahead you are, lol. 8am Christmas Eve, here :P
@@giin97 New Zealand is even further ahead then us here in Australia. It’s pretty cool but kind of weird as literally every other country is behind us.
@@Niko-pt9li slackers. They just need to catch up! Lol
@@giin97 haha
Well, merry christmas to you then.
Also, it kinda depends on what part of Australia you live in, doesn't it ?
Pretty sure it's not yet 11 PM in some parts of the country like the west coast.
Deamon:Ive been loked in this old Lock thats unlockable without the keys
Strange voice: 2 is binding...
Click out of 4
Nothing at 1
3 is set
5 and 6 are set, and we have the lock open.
Little click at 6
Got to get me one of those, I like needlessly complicated mechanisms.
Your voice sounds like that of the doctor in Star Trek Voyager! LPL=Robert Picardo?
Please state the nature of the lockpicking emergency...
You're onto something here... good catch.
Oh My....
Dam it I can't watch voyager the same way
😁
This is the first lock I've seen on the channel that I'd be able to pick with tools I own.
you don't own a fork, spoon, butterknife, or a soda can? Poor poor Alice.
@@DSiren read the comment again?
@@unoriginalgamer8796 yes I know he said "that I've seen" but I'm pointing out there are videos where he picks locks and lock boxes with soda cans, spoons, butter knives, forks, etc. I think all he's missing is a plastic spork vid.
@@DSiren Sorry, i guess i misunderstood
@thewonderpig97 Tell that to LPL. I'm just the messenger.
If they wanted to make it a real security device, they should have used reverse threads on the plug.
That's what I was thinking
i am dumb so can anyone explain reverrse threading to me
@@altf4_pls instead of loose the bolt rotating counterclockwise you do it rotating clockwise and vice versa
@@fabriziorasore5353 so it would just make it confusing?
@@altf4_pls think of how just about every screw you've ever encountered turns. A reverse thread will go the opposite direction.
"Dad I can't find my keys again."
"Let me get the toolbox, again."
We had a Ford tractor that we had on the ranch and the key had gone missing at some point. We discovered that a flat blade screwdriver worked perfectly for it, no jiggling required.
I love his somewhat snarky responses when he opens them
Like the love lock
I've seen those locks a lot and they are always desinged as a sequential puzzle
If it was designed as a parallel puzzle (where things only happen when different parts of the lock are moved by keys simultaneously), then it would be more of a lock.
still took longer than any masterlock
That's because it isn't a lock.
@@User0000000000000004 it is a lock, cause it can LOCK UP stuff. its just not a traditional lock. a lock is simply a divice that denies entry or access unless you got the appropriate device to open it.
The real trouble is fighting your way through a mansion full of zombies and narrowly avoiding becoming a Jill sandwich to find all the keys needed to open it.
I sure as hell hope you found the Horse Medallion and the Clubs Key.
Not to be confused with fighting your way through a police station full of zombies and narrowly avoiding an encounter with a tall, dapper, bioweapon to find all the keys to open it.
*As an Indian i can assure u in my 25 years of breathing, I havent seen any such lock*
Yeah, cause is a puzzle lock
He said it came from India; not that it was widely used in India.
Well granted there's like a billion people in India, if he showed a picture of a random person from India, you could also say the same. Just because you personally haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
In my 33 years of breathing I seen too many Chinese made locks.
I haven't seen half the master locks he's picked in my 3 and a bit decades on this planet, and they're a mass produced lock!
In my local area, everything is disc padlocks, or a cheap Chinese lock. But a recent trip to a legal area in my local city displayed a huge variety of fancy locks, new and old. Half of them were probably useless, but they sure looked imposing, almost like a sign that says "just walk on criminal, the next one will be easier"
When a toy is more secure than 80% of common commercial locks...
This isnt a toy. It's actually quite an ancient design used way long ago
I got the 69th like
@@TheFreshSpam when an ancient design is better than a new design
It isn't more secure though.
@@Guess_The_Number depends on how you look at it
Most people wouldn't know how to operate it, and it would take them so long to find out that the police would already get there
I get home, unlock my door, walk in and hear a man's voice say: "Hi, I'm the lock picking lawyer". Me: "I figured, make yourself at home, grab a drink". LPL: "I already did, thank you".
"This is the Lockpicking Lawyer"* ;-)
Indian in the title;
Indians: we have been summoned
I approve✅
UNKNOWN •15 years ago joke on u, I have been a viewer for a 2 years now
"This isn't really a lock."
::sad [fake] lock noises::
where? I don't get it.
@@User0000000000000004 2:39
@@User0000000000000004 What are you.... chicken?
The sounds this piece makes are amazing :3
Not a minute in, and we're actually watching him play an escape room game after he found all the keys hidden in the room.
With some slight alterations you could make an actual interesting lock out of something like this. Something hard enough to force destructive bypass for anything but a dedicated picker with free time.
All it needs is a decent lock for the outer shell body rather than it's current standard sized nuts, and a swappable lock core (or two) on the inside layer that you couldn't scope out in advance.
Anyone can pick any lock with enough information, but add the outer shell (and get the mechanical parts right inside) and your deny visual access to the information they would need to finish the second layer of the pick. They would need to go in blind, and unless they had permission to fiddle with it that's daunting for anyone, particularly if you have different varieties that all look exactly the same until the shell comes off.
You might actually be on to something here
It would be pretty inconvenient to use, however.
True! Perfect for a storage rental unit or a properly secured bike chain though. Right lock for the right job, like any other tool.
Finally, now we know what the lock from "you must find 4 keys" quests looks like
"Here's the Pick that Indian 🇮🇳 Bill and I made..."
You mean Indian Igor?
@@falcofurious that well known Indian name of 'Igor'? No, no I didn't mean that...
@@DanceySteveYNWA you don't know him? Look him up, he was in that space movie from 1992
"It's more of a mechanical obstacle course than an actual security device"
How is that different from any other lock? lol
İ concur
The difference is an actual lock has a fixed uniform design with some sort of variable key with entropy. You can swap the discs or pins on an actual lock so that two locks require different keys. Designing to avoid various bypass attacks and add pick resistance (serrated or mushroom pins, sidebars, etc) doesn't fundamentally change this fact. There's nothing bittable in this device, so it's not really a lock.
I mean, for LPL, it’s not different at all.
@@jeffhiner yes there is, you could change the size of the bolts. That would require different keys and different tools to pick.
You must have the Raven Crest to unlock this door
I would legitimately pay thousands of dollars for something like this that used some actual locks as well, it's such a fun concept
These are the types of locks which you see in an ancient Hindu temple guarding some thousands of tonnes treasury and a demonic curse.
Aaaanf that treasure is long gone
@@Aaa-qw6ly search padnabhaswamy temple..
As usual Sharma ji ka beta knows everything....😅
@@thfurrylittlebastard I hope they have more than a lock like this guarding a trillion dollars of gold, silver and jewels...
@@sanguineronin9150 Heavy stone slabs, stuck doors, snakes (apparently), and the unmovable obstinacy of Indian legal and religious jurisprudence.
And I can't even find my one house key...
it might be in the last place you put it.
it reminds me of a typical security system written using an outsourcing company located in India. Absolutely the same idea: security through obscurity.
Gives a whole new Level to " I can't find my key..."
I used one of these in my D&D game. The party collected the keys from dungeons and ran through a final dungeon to find a stone sarcophagus covered in runes and sealed with this lock. I then placed the lock on the table and set a timer. 6 adults couldn’t figure it out in the 30 minutes I gave. We called in the son of one of my players and he had it open in about 5 minutes. Unfortunately for the party, they were lied to about the contents of the box and then had to fight an illithilich as a penalty.
That sounds incredibly fun but also CRUEL! I love it.
You are an evil Dungeonmaster. I like that in a person.
@@nixand_brennt No Referee should ever lie to their players. NEVER! You just feed them ALL the information and let them sort things out. It is good that you had child of one of the players try the lock by themselves to prove to the group that it could be done in less than 30 minutes. VERY VERY valid counter test for the Referee. The Lich was a fitting end for a failed lock.
The 1000 year old designed lock takes more time to open than master locks!
Man... my country has wierd locks
Your country is full of locks they should be locks from America master lock
I love this lock. Maybe simple but takes time to get in it. If someone messing with lock and you not notice. You meant to lose things. Other locks picked so quick. This one is IKEA set.
Yup, but that is one of the many reasons for which I love it!
(*˘︶˘*).｡.:*♡
It also smells horrible.
@@User0000000000000004 I thumbed your comment down.
"Grab a hold of that rod and pull it out"
-LPL
The sounds of the lock are so satisfying,love it.
Crazy that this “lock” takes longer to open for TLP than picking an avg padlock..
Darn it! Now I have to add a 3/8” wrench, nut driver, and pliers to my pick set? Its starting to get a little bulky... 😂
Imagine needing to pee really badly and you have this lock
1:32 : "c'mon dude, we need to get moving!" "Hold on I need to secure my door first!"
The first key was completely useless. The second key has the same square hole to use as a wrench. Its really 3 keys for 4 operations
to be fair its 0 keys as none of them have cryptographic value. A key would require some varibles that could be changed, but the "key" for any version of this lock would open any other lock so its not really a key, its a tool
This is a puzzle lock. The square holes in the bows are different sizes. Chris Ramsey did a vid on this one
@@allensmithphotography I was assuming that only one of the holes would be the right size. Not much of a puzzle, though: there's only one key that can operate each part of the lock, and the only nonlinear part of the solution is that you could try using the last two keys in either order.
@@beeble2003 no it's not much of a puzzle at all. If I remember correctly Chris's vid covered like two or three similar puzzle locks
don't recall chris ramsey had this particular one? can't see it flipping through his vids. mr puzzle has got a (2 year old) vid on it though it only had 3 keys (where the 'key' with the square socket in the bow also did the second step). It was also in better condition so that the seam between the first bit that unscrews and the rest of the lock was effectively invisible, which probably just about qualifies it to be a 'puzzle', albeit a very obvious one.
The most Indian thing I have seen for long. Great!
Still better security than 90% of the locks displayed on this channel, lol.