I love that Christian said near the end "If I were a rapist, god forbid" Funny thing about that! God doesn't forbid it! He just says you have to pay the father restitution and marry the woman. Basically a "you break it, you buy it" policy when it comes to sexual assault. So yeah, that's a funny turn of phrase 🤣
When the angel appeared to Mary and told her she was with child and would give birth to the son of God, that was the first time she’d heard about it. She was already pregnant. She never gave her consent. Where I come from that’s called rape, so add rape to the list of God’s immoral acts.
"He just says you have to pay the father restitution and marry the woman" That only applies to virgins who aren't betrothed. If she was betrothed whether she gets stoned depends on where it happened, but the guy gets stoned in either case. If a woman is raped outside of town and the man can be found he gets stoned to death but she is just used goods. Pretty much all other scenarios both the man and woman are stoned to death. As another aside, if a man marries a woman and finds something about her that he detests, he can claim she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night, and if her family can't provide wedding sheets with proof of virginity, he gets his money back and she gets stoned to death in front of her father's house. HOWEVER, if they can provide evidence then he has to remain married to her for life. Off the top of my head I don't remember if there's another penalty for him for dishonoring her but I believe there might be.
I agree that is true. It could be extended to say, if a Christian used the correct definitions of words to describe their own beliefs they would say the beliefs are illogical.
Maybe it's time for Christian to be retired with Amanuel? Same issue: calls in every week, calls multiple shows, uses the same every time, never learns anything.
The moment Christian admitted that he would be willing to torture a person he loves forever, removes him from any rational conversation. He's certainly not worth any further effort.
…then got a bit pissy for the hosts saying “it’s not a difficult question, it’s just a straight no”… as though that wasn’t the obvious answer for anyone who isn’t vile or poisoned by religion.
Christian. A few months ago this young girl, 6 years old, died in that horrible earthquake in Turkey. Now, she's going to hell just because she was born in the wrong part of the world? And you are okay with this??
"If you love somebody, there needs to be admonishment." I love my cats. If one of them knocks a bowl off the counter and it shatters, I don't respond by hurting them. How truly barbaric that way of thinking is.
@@downshift4503 That's right. It's not surprising that this message is constantly repeated in the literature, because that was the prevalent society back when it was written. The tribal tit for tat, "I'm not gonna start it but I'm gonna finish it" mentality (although the Christians did their fair share of starting things over the ages) is exposing the violent "early developmental phase" of our species.
@@BeheadedKamikaze What surprises me is that christians don't seem to realise the implications of gods nature. The bible demonstrates that god likes to play games, the sort that involves really bad consequences for the players. He did it to Adam and Eve, does it throughout the old testament. Then in the new testament we get a new version.... the hide and seek game. Oddly the disciples had access to shedloads of evidence, magic whatnot.... but we don't. Worse, he gave many people, myself included, critical thinking skills so that my freewill is violated (I don't accept that exists anyway) and won't let me believe due to lack of evidence. So... once they are in heaven and I and many others are in the oven, why do they think god is going to be content with boredom? He could have just created man in heaven if he just wanted that. It's bloody obvious that he'll cook up a new version of the hunger games or something, maybe they'll face more ridiculous tests, trees of life, hide and seek with traps to send them to join us in hell. When he runs out of christians in heaven, he can always set up a new earth more people to torment.
Maybe consider putting a few treats into a "bowl of the knowledge of good and evil". When the cats eat them (shocker!) then they will need to be cast out of your home and all their descendants banished forever. Seems a perfectly reasonable thing to do.
Yup, my cat gets on my nerves sometimes, but when I want her to stop, I don't beat her, yell at her, or torture her. Usually I try to find out why she's acting in such a way (which could be I forgot to fill her food bowl, or I need to hit cycle on her litter box because it didn't read her using it, or she just needs petting).
For Christian - "Stalin didn't send anyone to the Gulags, they sent themselves there because they didn't follow the rules." See how stupid that sounds now when you say "People send themselves to hell"?
Atheists are going to want to be with other atheists, not with God. After living the life of an atheist, the atheist would be more miserable in the presence of God than with Satan and his angels.
Back again with another set of callers. Here they care: 14:13 Tim - Wants to talk about reincarnation. 39:39 Haard - Wants to talk about consciousness and divinity 57:15 Jimmy - Says we know a lot about spiritual experiences. 1:20:41 Andrew - Evolution proves God is true. 1:44:05 George - Jesus was smart and correct. 1:54:55 Christian - Got some moral objections to hell
Thank you for taking the time to produce the timestamps. Lets hope that the ACA thank you for your efforts by pinning this post so that all will be guided.
@@ministryofarguments3525 Yeah, well done! Perhaps add: 00:00 Secular Rarity: crushed testicles 00:50 Show starts 02:05 Question of the Week results from last week 03:56 New Question of the Week 05:55 A “book of an email” from Mark to Forrest
I'm at a complete loss as to what Christian from GA is even fucking doing at this point. Every week he calls in to multiple of these shows, tries the same arguments that get torn apart cuz they're bad fucking arguments and he's like "no, no. I'm on to something here, I'm just not wording it right so they're getting it!" Nah dude, the reasoning sucks. Take some time & reevaluate things...
@@t800fantasm2 Nah, on second thought who are we to say shit to him? I'm sure his arguments are actually good, he just keeps calling in to talk to people who are all obstinate and/or mean. Yeah, that's it. It's not his crummy arguments he's just calling in to jerks who won't change their minds!
@@TheWasteOfTime I'm not necessarily saying we should tell him one way or the other... but maybe more to give him perspective and understanding that a lot of his arguments just don't cut it... and not just with comments to him, but comments from people in general about his arguments...
@@t800fantasm2 He's had his hands held through the holes in his arguments by the hosts of several of these shows. Sometimes less patiently than others, but the dude has been given ample explanations to get why he fails to be compelling. But alas, he calls over and over and over again, without any change in his delivery. Back in the old days of the Atheist Experience Blog people (myself included) used to waste ridiculous amounts of bandwith arguing with people who'd called into the show to very rarely any avail. I've yet to see any instance of Christian replying to anyone in these comments sections and even if he did, I think one is VASTLY overestimating my level of engagement if they think I'm interested in trying my hand in joining the chorus of people who've tried to tell him why what he's trying doesn't work. At this point, I'm old and tired and snark is what I've got to give.
How are you going to have a good debate when atheism is a disbelief, it's a bias position. Atheists don't have the willingness or ability to accept God that is true but yet they don't believe the origins of Life came into existence without God Where could that debate possibly go. Matter-of-factly atheist even has a disbelief that atheistic Communist governments have anything to do with atheist humanism and then the atheist tries to take credit for what Christians created modern Western Civilization. We practice the Christian moral value of not forcing belief on anybody any atheist calls it secular as if it has anything to do with atheism. But you know what he won't call secular he won't call atheistic communist government secular including officially atheistic governments like North Korea. The atheist humanist wants to sit there all day and attack Christianity with intellectually dishonest arguments. He wants to label the Bible the most evil book and when you actually call out the most evil book The talmud The atheist most holy book The atheist goes in defense mode. Name just one atheist experience episode where they talked negatively about the talmud. Doesn't exist the most hateful bigoted book in the history of mankind but atheist experience refuses to talk about it. VA theist we'll talk about the Christians faith-based belief but then when you call out the atheist humanist faith-based belief like the idea he mutilates his children because he believes faith his children have a spirit of a different gender in that body The atheist will call you a bigot. Did you imagine I told an atheist I have a soul and the spirit of God inside of me and how could you tell me differently it's my body and if you say differently you're a bigot. Also by you not acknowledging it's a fact it makes me feel depressed and suicidal so hateful bigot that causes people to commit suicide. Atheist humanism is the most dangerous cult in the world. And its members have no clue they're brainwashed cult members
I started listening to Axp a few years ago when I came out as an atheist to my Christian family and friends and it was incredibly comforting and validating to watch your show. I started watching again tonight, and am really loving this newer panel and discussion, with your different personalities, and smarter and more confident than I could ever hope to be. I'm okay with that, I need a consistent dose of atheist knowledge and wit. I love it!
Agreed. The sad part is that he does it much better than most apologists do it, and he still sucks at it, which exemplifies how weak apologists' arguments are.
He sounds smart but is saying such silly things? Infinitely holy? God? What God? The God in mythology? Humble yourself to find God? Wow, that's what Islam says. And Hindusim. And all other cults. When I was Christian and humbled myself before God I didn't get extra proof. I just used way more cognitive bias.
I find it hard that these types of caller keep saying that they get interrupted. They clearly think that, if they can finish a certain proposition, it will be convincing. And they can't see that after a few sentences they have made so many statements that need to be challenged that they have to be interrupted and questioned.
I just like atheist trying to justify ridiculous things. Like their ancestors were sea creatures. How about justifying mutilating your children because you believe they have a brain of a different gender in their body . One of my favorite of all time was atheist Richard Dawkins who said he believes the origins of Life came into existence without God because he believes basically a magic that everything came from nothingness.
Another fantastic episode, fellas! Really appreciate you guys. Forrest was phenomenal, as he always is -- However, this was my first full episode featuring Secular Rarity, and I found him to be extremely pleasant and knowledgable, as well. I'm definitely looking forward to watching more of his contributions. Keep up the amazing work, Team AXP! As a side note, I would love to try a dose of those mushrooms that involved Mercury enticing Jupiter to start sharting out birds! That sounds like one hell of a trip. Please, hook a fellow atheistic brother up, Funkmaster Forrest! 🍄😵💫
Forrest, please. I desperately need to hear you break down that email, or atleast a copy of it to read for myself. That dude sounds completely unhinged and I couldn't get enough of it. That was hilarious!
Forrest & SR - two wonderful and “not god-given” gifts to this world! thank you to you both and to the crew & other hosts, y’all are spitting facts and making sense and changing lives 💜
Yea. It’s proper sheep follow sheep mentality. It’s really so unwise. I can see why people fall for this kind of thinking but….it’s also pretty easy to untangle yourself from this thought process. I don’t know why people battle so much with this.
@@Domzdream I think they get so conditioned into doctrines; it melds with their sense of self. To attack one is to attack both and they are afraid of losing the imaginary.
@@stultusvenator3233 Absolutely agree with you. What religious peopel dont realise is that this god they somehow miraculously know, is their own subconscious. That is why everyone has their own version of their god. This is why I try to generally stay clear of people who propose a vengeful god....becasue when you carry that through, it basically reveals their own self.
I thought Mark's email was quite telling in how he obviously thinks Forest's "belief" in evolution equates to his own belief in God. It has to be something that Forest worships and wills to happen, rather than just a natural process that happens beyond his or anyone else's control. This is how religion wrecks the brain, nothing but projection because they can't understand a different way of thinking to their own.
So many things...so many things wrong with that email 😅😂 Mark clearly: • doesn't understand satire • mistakes using a passionate voice as enough, it's not -- you also need to know some concrete things about the topics at hand, and how the facts fit together to outline the truth • needs to figure out how to apply the knowledge he _does_ have in a logical way Which is why it all came out sounding like someone interpreting reality from inside Alice's Wonderland 😅
Christian is someone I have a hard time believing is true. He calls over and over, saying the same thing, makes the exact same arguments, never learns anything, and just seems to make up excuses as he goes. He just responds in a way that seems way too disinterested in what he's saying. The hosts seem to get way more involved than he is. I'm feeling like he has no real belief in what he's saying.
Most of the traits you have identified In Christian, are (to me) indicators that he is a genuine theist, and probably a Christian. "Same arguments... never learns (or listens)... makes excuses." are all very common Christian discussion tactics, because that's how they have been trained to converse. They cannot question such details, arguments or methods, which is why they usually appear to have never thought about these subjects until they are mentioned. They don't even listen to the arguments they themselves make, which is why they often appear dishonest or stupid, but such limitations on their intelligence largely only affect their mythological beliefs. Most are commonly reasonable and rational on unrelated subjects.
It’s tough to have a discussion about morality with someone that won’t budge from “God can do whatever he wants because he’s god, and I’ll just justify whatever he does for any reason at all.”
The way he handled (reeeeeeeally badly) Forest’s question about what his loved ones would need to do for them to deserve eternal torture, then got a bit pissy about his answer/non-answer being highlighting as truly abhorrent, makes me think he’s for real. Also, the fact he called The Line a “goofball show” merely because those hosts called him out for his rank dishonesty and vile opinions, shows how Christian is a puerile and pathetic excuse for a human.
@duskyrose9243 Based on your post, I conclude that you are more similar to a lot of theists than you realize. You refuse to accept that someone believes what they say what they believe because those beliefs are different from yours and that you can't comprehend why they believe that. An example of this is when those theists refuse to accept that atheists doesn't believe that a god exist and would proceed to tell the atheists that that's not true and that atheists do actually believe in the existence of a god. That is due to them being unable to comprehend how/why atheists came to their conclusion.
This is a personal anecdote - I had some spinal issues ( cervical vertebrae) that cut off the flow of spinal fluid between my head and my body and I quickly started to lose the ability to do some mental math, simple calculations. After having surgery I regained the ability to do the math again. I asked a psychiatrist about and he did confirm that stopping the spinal fluid from flowing will have effects on cognition.
It’s terrifying that someone like christian exist. To have to think about whether or not you’d torture someone, is crazy. Especially a loved one. It’s sick what religion does to some people.
@@isaacmorales9973 I get my morality by looking at what I’d want for me and the people around me. For example I don’t want to kill anyone because I don’t want to be killed. This applies for most things in my life. What about you?
@@optimus_rhymes6955 How is you wanting to treat others the same way you want to be treated an objective reason? How i determine morality is irrelevant to how you determine it.
I tried to type the folowing on Yahoo to respond to someone - "No one whose testicles have been crushed or whose penis has been cut off may come into the assembly of the LORD. No one born of an illicit union may come into the assembly of the LORD, nor any descendant of such even to the tenth generation may come into the assembly of the LORD." It would not let me post the comment saying it violated their terms of use!!!
Thanks guys. Refreshing to listen to an atheist call-in show that doesn't feel the need to abuse its callers. This is the show that is truly making a difference 🙂
@@stevero2581 I agree! Not talking about that. Talking about shouting at people, calling them abusive names, telling them they're stupid, etc. The hosts here don't do that. Some hosts on other shows do. Fine to point out someone is not answering a question, but why the need to abuse them? Also, the hosts here tend to actually DISCUSS things - not simply try to control the conversation and force callers into YES / NO answers. How would you like it if you were a theist and someone tried to force you to answer a question like, "Are you stupid enough to believe in God? Yes or No?" If I was a theist I wouldn't answer "yes" to that. Maybe you enjoy watching atheists abuse and bully theists, but personally, I prefer actual discussion and hosts who treat their callers with respect. I get that here.
@@markjamie4002 yes are no are exactly that, yes or no. If people would be honest and answer a yes or no question it would be fine. But they all think it’s a trap so they play stupid games. So yes people using stupid games deserve to be called out as stupid.
Enjoyed the Christian talk near the end . Goes to prove just how far gone in the mind you have to be to believe in all this rhetoric . And they have not got a clue how far gone they are. They accept all this as normal. Really frightening and sad.
Yeah, you need to a gullible fool that's in a world of craziness, i have no clue why people make excuses for their religion it's absolutely fu*king nuts, these religious people's minds are bent all over the place. 🤮🤮🤮
Yeah, I've noticed recently that these callers don't even know what they are saying, I guess I always knew that but I finally had the epiphany of it I guess, it's like they have to defend the indefensible, like they are on autopilot to defend it without even realizing what they are saying/defending
@@ARoll925 You are right. My friend has his talking points and I know what they are before he says it. This guy was the same, although I thought he tried pretty hard to defend the book. It is like they just recite what they are told to recite , like zombies.
I see a lot of theists get angry explaining why they believe. You can see them get enraged as they realise that what they are saying is total nonsense.... Laughing doesn't help either.....
Andrew from Florida seems to think "falsify" means "disbelieve". He literally said we have falsified elves because nobody believes in elves. This seems to be a common failing among theists: they simply don't understand concepts like "falsify" but they feel free to misuse the terms all day long.
I honestly thought Secular Rarity was going to say "The Atheist Experience was a product of crushed and severed genitals," at the beginning of the show. 😂
Hey, I’m definitely new to this channel and have watched a few episodes now. I am very glad something like this exists and, for the most part, you guys do a fantastic job of simplifying complex sciences into comprehensible analogies and examples for those of us who aren’t experts. However, I don’t know if this is something that has just been in the episodes I’ve seen or has been solved, but I do notice that almost all of the theist callers end in them being frustrated because they are getting interrupted. I totally get that you guys want to do it if someone will not progress the conversation or are just being hateful, but I feel you guys can cut a lot of people off very frequently which makes them feel like they truly aren’t being listening to. I know I’d get frustrated if someone interrupted me consistently before I can finish a whole thought and I’m sure it messes up their flow of thought and causes confusion. I don’t agree with these people at all, but I feel like maybe more of an effort should be expressed about how limited your time is on the calls and let them finish a thought before asking about a part of it in the middle of the sentence. Again, great show and I’m really enjoying these conversations, I just think it may be more productive conversation and less problematic if these people are given the room to speak since it is supposed to be a conversation. Good luck!
I would argue that's exactly the purpose. You can't control and exercise power over people without a certain amount of dilution of their mental capabilities.
@@NN-wc7dl yeah, like injecting them with "medicines" for example, which according to kissinger is the best way to control the masses. People are more dumbed down now then ever in history it seems. It can only lead to tyranny and totalitarianism in the end.
Always love both of you on these shows! Forrest, I appreciate your ability to explain Evolution and other biological concepts! SR, I really admire your ability to explain philosophical topics to the viewers! However SR, I must say you stab the grammatical section of my brain when you say, "If you want to make Forrest and I answer..." You're killing my Asperger's, Bud! Try, "Forrest and me", in that example. Thanks fellas, you're my favorite hosting tandem 🤙🏻
As someone who saw through ridiculous religious indoctrination from the age of about 14, I'd really like to thank the last caller, Christian, for coming on the show and showing everyone how ludicrous the deity they worship is, it's either a fxcking maniac or imaginary, thank you so much once again Christian.
It’s literally all just nonsense justification for bad behavior. Christian is making god sound like people are born like Vanilla Ice and God is Suge Knight holding him by his feet out the window to sign a contract.
Definitely, even Forrest was losing his rag at the end. The only thing wrong with atheism is that we know we won't be able to say to the likes of Christian, "See, I told you your belief was ballocks," after the end.
I had a lecturer in university who was of Icelandic heritage and she had stories about elves that she genuinely believed. Her concept of what an elf was is different to say a xmas elf or a little person type elf. So to say no one believes in (x) thing is ridiculous because simply by the law of averages, there is someone out there and probably a group of someones who believe in just about anything. People say "well unicorns don't exist and people don't believe in them". Unicorns are mentioned in the bible. When I was doing my study in Orthodoxy, there are stories about saints being guided by centaurs. There are stories about people slaying dragons. One particularly memorable one was a man who bit off the toe of a recently decease saint and he spat the toe into the dragon's mouth and that is how it was vanquished. These stories are actually taught as if real. There is a saint they believe didn't eat or drink for forty years. People, even intelligent, rational people will believe the weirdest shit.
I know this isn’t a new idea as many channels/websites do it, but the ACA hosts definitely need to start a ‘Crazy Angry Theists’ Emails’ section. It would be hilarious.
Forrest, a 4th argument against hell is that the penalty is disproportionate to the sin. What crime does justify a punishment of being tortured for ever?
Exactly. Forrest alluded to that in passing, but I think, too, it's a strong enough point to get its own numbered bullet. 4. Eternal punishment for a finite infraction is not just.
Last discussion with Christian made me happy and proud that I left religion and became Atheist. Bible believers are so horrible when they justify hell!
@@isaacmorales9973 Eternally torturing someone for disobedience is justified? If anyone said "I will torture you for not kissing my ass" you would call them a monster. If anyone said "I will torture you for years, and prevent you from dying, for not kissing my ass", they would go down in history for being a monstrous person. But if anyone said "I will torture you to the end of time and beyond for not kissing my ass" we have a bunch of people saying "Sounds like a justified thing!" Cthulhu is less monstrous than God. Most of Lovecraft's eldritch horrors are not as cruel or evil as the Christian God. I've read some arguments that Azathoth is Yahweh, or is based on Yahweh. Even so, Azathoth is less cruel, in that everyone would simply cease to exist if Azathoth woke up. Anyone who says that God is omnibenevolent is wrong. The problem of evil resolves simply: God lied.
@@ArKritz84 That's the amount of time needed to perform the necessary tap dance that leads to the jumping through hoops so that he can grasp at the imaginary straws that he is so desperate to cling to that so conveniently supports his narrative. Without the performance that enables his wilful ignorance of the lack of logic, there is no possible way a reasonable person could give this argument a second thought.
The mistake god made during creation was when they made those little pockets of dirt/sand/mud that when you step on them your feet sink in just enough to terrify you, but not enough to be dangerous. Like quick sand light™️
@Caller Andrew I was raised by atheitsts, and I never had any thoughts about god or supernatural things. Only when I was older and I could understand such concepts, and was confronted with believers, did it enter my mind. And it was really weird to me at that time. 😊
One of the main problems Tim is making is assuming there will be enough time. I don’t even have to do the math to know the astronomically high number of permutations would take longer than the we believe the universe will ever exist. The best current model is the heat death of the universe, which would stop the “permutations”.
I would argue that the premise is corrupt from the start. It relies on the premise that 2 exact versions of a brain would be exactly the same person or produce the same thoughts. There is just no proof of this. It might even exist already that this has already happened, that 2 people in the world were alive and had the exact same brain configuration, would you call it 'reincarnation' if your 'dopplebrainer' is currently alive at the same time that you are?
Great show, it’s just a pleasure to listen to your arguments, so logical, I just wish I could handle believers with such a respect and logic. Wishing you the best!
Wow, that last Caller Christian just gets more horrifying and awful every time he calls either ACA shows or the Line shows, his arguments are just really awful, the more I watch these shows the more I am convinced these callers don't even actually hear or realize what they are saying/defending, it is really sad hearing someone defend just awful stuff but it seems like they defend it at any cost without knowing what they are saying like they are on autopilot
When I was a Christian, the idea that God would forgive anyone for anything as long as their repentance was true, did seem very loving. But I always struggled with the idea that a loving God/Father would send a good person to hell for doubting/not loving him. But I did the mental gymnastics to justify it. That God doesn't actually do the torturing. That is just a matter of welcoming ppl into heaven is they wanted to be with him, and leaving them out of not. I imagined the devil/demons then being able to drag the ones left out to hell. Sad for those who weren't really evil, but they didn't want to be in God's house, so that's the consequence, right??? But then I became a parent. I thought about if my daughter rebelled against me. Didn't want to live with me at all. Hated me. If she was then living on the street, and was attacked, I'd still go save her. If she still didn't want to live with me. I'd try to mend that, but if I couldn't, but had the power to build her a safe place separate from me, but safe from attack and torture, I would. That's true, unconditional love. God is all powerful and all knowing, and in our culture today, is supposed to be an all loving parent. So God could create a place for non believers that isn't torturous. And honestly, it would be better if they then tried to actually have personal relationships with ppl, and the ppl at any point could decide is they wanted to be in God's house or not. Not, love me during your short little life on Earth, where you are inundated with false information and just have to sift through the bullshit and figure out what's right on your own and believe and love me on faith alone, and that matters more than any actions you take. And that is the only chance you get, then it's heaven or hell for eternity. He could also design appropriate levels of punishment/rehabilitation for those who do wrong.
Christian calls every show and presents a whiny apology for his religious beliefs ......not a Dunning Kruger as he doesn't claim to be super smart, which he clearly is not. "God is infinitely holy" LOL
@@isaacmorales9973 Huh? Atheism is simply a non belief in a god and is not defined as a positive belief that there is no god....sounds like you need to consult a dictionary before you post as you appear to be suffering from Dunning Kruger Syndrome .... thinking you know more than you do
Revelation 21 : 1 says there will be no more sea (this would include all large bodies of water). 21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. This means that god obviously knows how to create the ideal world for humans (with only lakes/rivers?) and the current world with it's salty oceans causing dehydration and death for many (especially in the times before industrial scale desalinization was invented) is there to "test" mankind.
@@Firestorm12345678910 The book of Revelation was written by a crazy man who was pissed off at being oppressed by the Roman Emperor Nero and his armies. It has absolutely nothing to do with the future of this world. None of what he wanted to happen did happen anyway. It's a stupid rant by a total nutter. That's it.
@@Firestorm12345678910 Revelation was not written as a description of future events. It belongs to the genre of apocalyptic literature. You should look into the scholarship.
I knew it, someone asked what consciousness is, there's half the show taken up by a lecture from Forrest. I'm convinced some folk phone in and ask that question because they know we won't be able to shut Forrest up once he gets started.
Re : Rookz's question as to why God created periods ? Well , had she not done so when taking part in many of man's greatest literary works , how would we to know where one sentence ends and another begins ?
I've never really had a problem with the plants (day 3) being created before the sun (day 4). Surely presumably perfect plants can survive a day before the sun starts shining? I mean, it's obviously still a completely fictitious story, but the plants thing just seems to be so insignificant, that it isn't even worth mentioning.
@@papaquonis true but it goes hand in hand with light being created before the sun. Tf happened there 😂😂 also, we don’t know how long days are in the creation story, especially since the sun wasn’t the first thing created lol- ken ham himself admits that a “day” could constitute as a million years. Most non-young earth creationists don’t believe the 7 days to be what we would define as a week now. Most say that the bible states in certain passages that each day included “generations” of things which doesn’t make a ton of sense if it were to be a 24hr day. So no one really knows how long each “day” of creation was supposed to be. If it was 24hrs, sure, might not matter at all, but if it was longer, then yeah, that’s a massive problem. Of course it’s all fiction like you said, but it’s worth mentioning that many people who believe in the bible do not believe in 24hr days of the creation.
@@papaquonis For me it is, because plants need sunlight to survive, and if it was a perfect plant then why create the sun later? it already existed day and night without sun anyway, so the sun is not needed at all. I understand is all fiction, but when you connect it with reality, which is what apologists try to do, it starts to fall apart pretty quickly. Personally I like to compare this fictitious story with other fictitious story, like thor's hammer, it puts the apologists in the spot of either denying science (which makes theirs just as true as the magical hammer one) or appealing to magic despite science (which puts their fable as valid as the magical hammer one)
@@papaquonis The temperature of the earth would be closer to absolute zero without the sun so those plants would be having much more than photosynthesis problems.
I’m reading Leviticus right now. I started at 16(I was looking for a quote) and I kept reading to 27 and I’ve circled back around from 1-9 and it’s insanely stupid. You’d have to read it and not once does it ever mention washing your hands… So the book is a bunch of laws and some basic hygiene concerns. I’ll give you an example. If you touch anything with cum or menstrual blood you are dirty.(even if it’s yours) However when sacrificing small animals or very expensive animals some that are entirely burnt and sometimes the priest get to keep most of it and the blood is always being rubbed on horns and poured on the alter and sprinkled on clothes and don’t forget to rub a smudge on your right ear lobe and your left big toe…. You put the blasphemer to death, sometimes you kill them sometimes you burn them and sometimes you just kick them out of town for no reason at all. It’s insane, maybe it made sense once, but it makes absolutely zero sense at all. If you ejaculate you are dirty, the things you touch are dirty. I’m talking smashing crook pots and burning clothes. It’s endless chaos. One more. If you sleep safe it’s god, if you get out to the sword by an enemy it’s also god, but he warned us! We were already definitely guilty of screwing up 100’s of these things and god let you have it because everyone’s obviously messed anyway. There are rules about how to burn an animal for sins you aren’t aware that you’ve made and it doesn’t really matter if you are aware of it or not. PAY UP SUCKER! The priest need to eat too.
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I love that Christian said near the end "If I were a rapist, god forbid" Funny thing about that! God doesn't forbid it! He just says you have to pay the father restitution and marry the woman. Basically a "you break it, you buy it" policy when it comes to sexual assault. So yeah, that's a funny turn of phrase 🤣
When the angel appeared to Mary and told her she was with child and would give birth to the son of God, that was the first time she’d heard about it. She was already pregnant. She never gave her consent. Where I come from that’s called rape, so add rape to the list of God’s immoral acts.
"He just says you have to pay the father restitution and marry the woman" That only applies to virgins who aren't betrothed. If she was betrothed whether she gets stoned depends on where it happened, but the guy gets stoned in either case.
If a woman is raped outside of town and the man can be found he gets stoned to death but she is just used goods. Pretty much all other scenarios both the man and woman are stoned to death. As another aside, if a man marries a woman and finds something about her that he detests, he can claim she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night, and if her family can't provide wedding sheets with proof of virginity, he gets his money back and she gets stoned to death in front of her father's house. HOWEVER, if they can provide evidence then he has to remain married to her for life. Off the top of my head I don't remember if there's another penalty for him for dishonoring her but I believe there might be.
@philleprechaun6240 still terrible
If you tried to sell Christian on a religion identical to his but with different names for everything he’d probably say it’s false and illogical.
Like Islam?
@@justanotheropinion5832 Close enough.
I agree that is true.
It could be extended to say, if a Christian used the correct definitions of words to describe their own beliefs they would say the beliefs are illogical.
How does Christian know this blarney he’s spouting?!🙄
@@johngolden5257 I've heard him on other calls. Believe it or not, far worse stuff has casually come out of his mouth.
Maybe it's time for Christian to be retired with Amanuel? Same issue: calls in every week, calls multiple shows, uses the same every time, never learns anything.
I feel like Christian is going to be a host in a few years once he finally accepts the truth
Christian is completely indoctrinated. He cannot see just how evil his god is. He refuses to accept that the god can be a ridiculous concept.
Not if Forrest is on to put him in his place. I’ll take that any day.
@@ReddDragonGSX97a lot of people believe they’re Poes, though.
@@ReddDragonGSX97Well you have plenty of calls for what, how much evidence do you need to show? I think enough is enough
The moment Christian admitted that he would be willing to torture a person he loves forever, removes him from any rational conversation.
He's certainly not worth any further effort.
Christian would have gleefully been the one to set the torch to the “witch”.
What a fucking freak.
🙌
…then got a bit pissy for the hosts saying “it’s not a difficult question, it’s just a straight no”… as though that wasn’t the obvious answer for anyone who isn’t vile or poisoned by religion.
I cannot agree more. So tainted by religion that cannot even comprehend why the hosts just responded with a NO to the question they asked him.
I feel like they don't actually think it's true and just say it to justify god lmfao
Christian. A few months ago this young girl, 6 years old, died in that horrible earthquake in Turkey. Now, she's going to hell just because she was born in the wrong part of the world?
And you are okay with this??
He probably is, because most Christians are inherently immoral.
He would be as he is morally depraved.
"If you love somebody, there needs to be admonishment."
I love my cats. If one of them knocks a bowl off the counter and it shatters, I don't respond by hurting them. How truly barbaric that way of thinking is.
Its just a ridiculous blanket statement that you could apply to a psychopath. Torturing someone cannot result from love.
@@downshift4503 That's right. It's not surprising that this message is constantly repeated in the literature, because that was the prevalent society back when it was written. The tribal tit for tat, "I'm not gonna start it but I'm gonna finish it" mentality (although the Christians did their fair share of starting things over the ages) is exposing the violent "early developmental phase" of our species.
@@BeheadedKamikaze What surprises me is that christians don't seem to realise the implications of gods nature. The bible demonstrates that god likes to play games, the sort that involves really bad consequences for the players. He did it to Adam and Eve, does it throughout the old testament.
Then in the new testament we get a new version.... the hide and seek game. Oddly the disciples had access to shedloads of evidence, magic whatnot.... but we don't. Worse, he gave many people, myself included, critical thinking skills so that my freewill is violated (I don't accept that exists anyway) and won't let me believe due to lack of evidence.
So... once they are in heaven and I and many others are in the oven, why do they think god is going to be content with boredom? He could have just created man in heaven if he just wanted that. It's bloody obvious that he'll cook up a new version of the hunger games or something, maybe they'll face more ridiculous tests, trees of life, hide and seek with traps to send them to join us in hell. When he runs out of christians in heaven, he can always set up a new earth more people to torment.
Maybe consider putting a few treats into a "bowl of the knowledge of good and evil". When the cats eat them (shocker!) then they will need to be cast out of your home and all their descendants banished forever. Seems a perfectly reasonable thing to do.
Yup, my cat gets on my nerves sometimes, but when I want her to stop, I don't beat her, yell at her, or torture her. Usually I try to find out why she's acting in such a way (which could be I forgot to fill her food bowl, or I need to hit cycle on her litter box because it didn't read her using it, or she just needs petting).
For Christian - "Stalin didn't send anyone to the Gulags, they sent themselves there because they didn't follow the rules."
See how stupid that sounds now when you say "People send themselves to hell"?
Atheists are going to want to be with other atheists, not with God. After living the life of an atheist, the atheist would be more miserable in the presence of God than with Satan and his angels.
Back again with another set of callers. Here they care:
14:13 Tim - Wants to talk about reincarnation.
39:39 Haard - Wants to talk about consciousness and divinity
57:15 Jimmy - Says we know a lot about spiritual experiences.
1:20:41 Andrew - Evolution proves God is true.
1:44:05 George - Jesus was smart and correct.
1:54:55 Christian - Got some moral objections to hell
Thank you for taking the time to produce the timestamps. Lets hope that the ACA thank you for your efforts by pinning this post so that all will be guided.
@@ministryofarguments3525 Yeah, well done! Perhaps add:
00:00 Secular Rarity: crushed testicles
00:50 Show starts
02:05 Question of the Week results from last week
03:56 New Question of the Week
05:55 A “book of an email” from Mark to Forrest
Your imput is very much appreciated. Thank you.
@@joelonsdale I was thanking the OP. I didn't produce the timestamps that you want ammended. Perhaps you should be talking to the OP instead?
@@ministryofarguments3525 Oh yes, oops! I'll just leave it here anyway...
I'm at a complete loss as to what Christian from GA is even fucking doing at this point. Every week he calls in to multiple of these shows, tries the same arguments that get torn apart cuz they're bad fucking arguments and he's like "no, no. I'm on to something here, I'm just not wording it right so they're getting it!" Nah dude, the reasoning sucks. Take some time & reevaluate things...
" Nah dude, the reasoning sucks. "
Maybe someone should get Christian to read the comments after he makes a fool of himself again...
@@t800fantasm2 Nah, on second thought who are we to say shit to him? I'm sure his arguments are actually good, he just keeps calling in to talk to people who are all obstinate and/or mean. Yeah, that's it. It's not his crummy arguments he's just calling in to jerks who won't change their minds!
@@TheWasteOfTime I'm not necessarily saying we should tell him one way or the other... but maybe more to give him perspective and understanding that a lot of his arguments just don't cut it... and not just with comments to him, but comments from people in general about his arguments...
@@t800fantasm2 He's had his hands held through the holes in his arguments by the hosts of several of these shows. Sometimes less patiently than others, but the dude has been given ample explanations to get why he fails to be compelling. But alas, he calls over and over and over again, without any change in his delivery.
Back in the old days of the Atheist Experience Blog people (myself included) used to waste ridiculous amounts of bandwith arguing with people who'd called into the show to very rarely any avail. I've yet to see any instance of Christian replying to anyone in these comments sections and even if he did, I think one is VASTLY overestimating my level of engagement if they think I'm interested in trying my hand in joining the chorus of people who've tried to tell him why what he's trying doesn't work. At this point, I'm old and tired and snark is what I've got to give.
How are you going to have a good debate when atheism is a disbelief, it's a bias position. Atheists don't have the willingness or ability to accept God that is true but yet they don't believe the origins of Life came into existence without God
Where could that debate possibly go.
Matter-of-factly atheist even has a disbelief that atheistic Communist governments have anything to do with atheist humanism and then the atheist tries to take credit for what Christians created modern Western Civilization.
We practice the Christian moral value of not forcing belief on anybody any atheist calls it secular as if it has anything to do with atheism. But you know what he won't call secular he won't call atheistic communist government secular including officially atheistic governments like North Korea.
The atheist humanist wants to sit there all day and attack Christianity with intellectually dishonest arguments. He wants to label the Bible the most evil book and when you actually call out the most evil book The talmud The atheist most holy book The atheist goes in defense mode.
Name just one atheist experience episode where they talked negatively about the talmud. Doesn't exist the most hateful bigoted book in the history of mankind but atheist experience refuses to talk about it.
VA theist we'll talk about the Christians faith-based belief but then when you call out the atheist humanist faith-based belief like the idea he mutilates his children because he believes faith his children have a spirit of a different gender in that body The atheist will call you a bigot.
Did you imagine I told an atheist I have a soul and the spirit of God inside of me and how could you tell me differently it's my body and if you say differently you're a bigot. Also by you not acknowledging it's a fact it makes me feel depressed and suicidal so hateful bigot that causes people to commit suicide.
Atheist humanism is the most dangerous cult in the world. And its members have no clue they're brainwashed cult members
I started listening to Axp a few years ago when I came out as an atheist to my Christian family and friends and it was incredibly comforting and validating to watch your show. I started watching again tonight, and am really loving this newer panel and discussion, with your different personalities, and smarter and more confident than I could ever hope to be. I'm okay with that, I need a consistent dose of atheist knowledge and wit. I love it!
Two of the most likeable hosts! A delight to watch. Love the content as always.
I hope Christian keeps calling in because he is a perfect example of someone trying to justify ridiculous things.
Agreed. The sad part is that he does it much better than most apologists do it, and he still sucks at it, which exemplifies how weak apologists' arguments are.
He sounds smart but is saying such silly things? Infinitely holy? God? What God? The God in mythology? Humble yourself to find God? Wow, that's what Islam says. And Hindusim. And all other cults. When I was Christian and humbled myself before God I didn't get extra proof. I just used way more cognitive bias.
I find it hard that these types of caller keep saying that they get interrupted. They clearly think that, if they can finish a certain proposition, it will be convincing. And they can't see that after a few sentences they have made so many statements that need to be challenged that they have to be interrupted and questioned.
I just like atheist trying to justify
ridiculous things. Like their ancestors were sea creatures.
How about justifying mutilating your children because you believe they have a brain of a different gender in their body .
One of my favorite of all time was atheist Richard Dawkins who said he believes the origins of Life came into existence without God because he believes basically a magic that everything came from nothingness.
I want to hear the email broken down!!! That dude is nuts! 🤯🤣
Another fantastic episode, fellas! Really appreciate you guys. Forrest was phenomenal, as he always is -- However, this was my first full episode featuring Secular Rarity, and I found him to be extremely pleasant and knowledgable, as well. I'm definitely looking forward to watching more of his contributions. Keep up the amazing work, Team AXP!
As a side note, I would love to try a dose of those mushrooms that involved Mercury enticing Jupiter to start sharting out birds! That sounds like one hell of a trip. Please, hook a fellow atheistic brother up, Funkmaster Forrest! 🍄😵💫
"Then God tried meth and Andrew Tate happened" 😂😂😂☠️
Haha, yeah, loved that. One of Forrest's best deliveries of all time.
Yeah, why is Andrew Tate?
Forrest, please. I desperately need to hear you break down that email, or atleast a copy of it to read for myself. That dude sounds completely unhinged and I couldn't get enough of it. That was hilarious!
The patience of these guys is amazing.
I would have broken down purely from Jimmy failing to just get to the fucking point.
Forrest, I will gladly be a slave in your mercury mining colony, as long as we get enough wifi to watch your livestreams on our (rare) days off.
Where do I sign up! Will we have access to intoxicants?
What are these days off you speak of?
The length of a day on mercury is 58 earth days! So I don't think you'll get the whole day off. Back to work, you Forrest slave!
I feel like he would be piped in through loudspeakers 24/7
Absolutely endorse that!! Will gladly join the slave colony, as long as you don't send fundie nuts!!
Forrest & SR - two wonderful and “not god-given” gifts to this world! thank you to you both and to the crew & other hosts, y’all are spitting facts and making sense and changing lives 💜
Andrew is basically saying: "people believe all sorts of crap, therefore... crap is real!" 😂
Yea. It’s proper sheep follow sheep mentality. It’s really so unwise. I can see why people fall for this kind of thinking but….it’s also pretty easy to untangle yourself from this thought process. I don’t know why people battle so much with this.
@@Domzdream I think they get so conditioned into doctrines; it melds with their sense of self. To attack one is to attack both and they are afraid of losing the imaginary.
@@stultusvenator3233
Absolutely agree with you. What religious peopel dont realise is that this god they somehow miraculously know, is their own subconscious. That is why everyone has their own version of their god.
This is why I try to generally stay clear of people who propose a vengeful god....becasue when you carry that through, it basically reveals their own self.
Really enjoyed Forrest's response to Andrew on evolutionary beliefs. Totally nailed it
I thought Mark's email was quite telling in how he obviously thinks Forest's "belief" in evolution equates to his own belief in God. It has to be something that Forest worships and wills to happen, rather than just a natural process that happens beyond his or anyone else's control.
This is how religion wrecks the brain, nothing but projection because they can't understand a different way of thinking to their own.
So many things...so many things wrong with that email 😅😂
Mark clearly:
• doesn't understand satire
• mistakes using a passionate voice as enough, it's not -- you also need to know some concrete things about the topics at hand, and how the facts fit together to outline the truth
• needs to figure out how to apply the knowledge he _does_ have in a logical way
Which is why it all came out sounding like someone interpreting reality from inside Alice's Wonderland 😅
Christian is someone I have a hard time believing is true. He calls over and over, saying the same thing, makes the exact same arguments, never learns anything, and just seems to make up excuses as he goes.
He just responds in a way that seems way too disinterested in what he's saying. The hosts seem to get way more involved than he is. I'm feeling like he has no real belief in what he's saying.
Most of the traits you have identified In Christian, are (to me) indicators that he is a genuine theist, and probably a Christian.
"Same arguments... never learns (or listens)... makes excuses." are all very common Christian discussion tactics, because that's how they have been trained to converse. They cannot question such details, arguments or methods, which is why they usually appear to have never thought about these subjects until they are mentioned. They don't even listen to the arguments they themselves make, which is why they often appear dishonest or stupid, but such limitations on their intelligence largely only affect their mythological beliefs. Most are commonly reasonable and rational on unrelated subjects.
It’s tough to have a discussion about morality with someone that won’t budge from “God can do whatever he wants because he’s god, and I’ll just justify whatever he does for any reason at all.”
Unfortunately, it sounds to me like he DOES believe this crap he's spouting off about! He's just disinterested in developing any self-awareness.
The way he handled (reeeeeeeally badly) Forest’s question about what his loved ones would need to do for them to deserve eternal torture, then got a bit pissy about his answer/non-answer being highlighting as truly abhorrent, makes me think he’s for real.
Also, the fact he called The Line a “goofball show” merely because those hosts called him out for his rank dishonesty and vile opinions, shows how Christian is a puerile and pathetic excuse for a human.
@duskyrose9243
Based on your post, I conclude that you are more similar to a lot of theists than you realize. You refuse to accept that someone believes what they say what they believe because those beliefs are different from yours and that you can't comprehend why they believe that. An example of this is when those theists refuse to accept that atheists doesn't believe that a god exist and would proceed to tell the atheists that that's not true and that atheists do actually believe in the existence of a god. That is due to them being unable to comprehend how/why atheists came to their conclusion.
So much yesss. Need to see a breakdown of that email. Sounds like a good time 🎉
I absolutely want a full breakdown of the email. It sounds amazing
Thoroughly enjoyed this episode! Thank you!
me too - awesome hosts
A mistake god made during creation was the Hovinds.
Yeah, you’d think a god of infinite power could come up with a slightly better spokesperson! 😂
This is a personal anecdote - I had some spinal issues ( cervical vertebrae) that cut off the flow of spinal fluid between my head and my body and I quickly started to lose the ability to do some mental math, simple calculations. After having surgery I regained the ability to do the math again. I asked a psychiatrist about and he did confirm that stopping the spinal fluid from flowing will have effects on cognition.
It’s terrifying that someone like christian exist. To have to think about whether or not you’d torture someone, is crazy. Especially a loved one. It’s sick what religion does to some people.
How do you determine morality?
@@isaacmorales9973 I get my morality by looking at what I’d want for me and the people around me. For example I don’t want to kill anyone because I don’t want to be killed. This applies for most things in my life.
What about you?
@@optimus_rhymes6955 How is you wanting to treat others the same way you want to be treated an objective reason?
How i determine morality is irrelevant to how you determine it.
@@isaacmorales9973 so are just looking for a fight, or do you want to have an actual conversation?
@@optimus_rhymes6955 I get my morality from the bible obviously. You didn't answer my last question.
I tried to type the folowing on Yahoo to respond to someone - "No one whose testicles have been crushed or whose penis has been cut off may come into the assembly of the LORD. No one born of an illicit union may come into the assembly of the LORD, nor any descendant of such even to the tenth generation may come into the assembly of the LORD." It would not let me post the comment saying it violated their terms of use!!!
No way lol, that's nuts.
This is the best duo, honestly. I like you two hosts.
Thanks to all the mods for your work! It's always great when you stay late so we can listen to another call or two more!!
Thanks guys. Refreshing to listen to an atheist call-in show that doesn't feel the need to abuse its callers. This is the show that is truly making a difference 🙂
Holding dishonest people who refuse to answer simple yes or no questions feet to the fire is not abuse.
@@stevero2581 I agree! Not talking about that. Talking about shouting at people, calling them abusive names, telling them they're stupid, etc. The hosts here don't do that. Some hosts on other shows do.
Fine to point out someone is not answering a question, but why the need to abuse them? Also, the hosts here tend to actually DISCUSS things - not simply try to control the conversation and force callers into YES / NO answers. How would you like it if you were a theist and someone tried to force you to answer a question like, "Are you stupid enough to believe in God? Yes or No?" If I was a theist I wouldn't answer "yes" to that. Maybe you enjoy watching atheists abuse and bully theists, but personally, I prefer actual discussion and hosts who treat their callers with respect. I get that here.
@@markjamie4002 yes are no are exactly that, yes or no. If people would be honest and answer a yes or no question it would be fine. But they all think it’s a trap so they play stupid games. So yes people using stupid games deserve to be called out as stupid.
@@stevero2581 Tell me Steve, have you stopped sexually assaulting kids? Yes or no?
Enjoyed the Christian talk near the end . Goes to prove just how far gone in the mind you have to be to believe in all
this rhetoric . And they have not got a clue how far gone they are. They accept all this as normal. Really frightening and sad.
Yeah, you need to a gullible fool that's in a world of craziness, i have no clue why people make excuses for their religion it's absolutely fu*king nuts, these religious people's minds are bent all over the place. 🤮🤮🤮
What's funny to me is that they are discussing a book of fictional stories. Sad part is that Christian doesn't realize it's fiction.
Yeah, I've noticed recently that these callers don't even know what they are saying, I guess I always knew that but I finally had the epiphany of it I guess, it's like they have to defend the indefensible, like they are on autopilot to defend it without even realizing what they are saying/defending
@@ARoll925 You are right. My friend has his talking points and I know what they are before he says it. This guy was the same, although I thought he tried pretty hard to defend the book. It is like they just recite what they are told to recite , like zombies.
I see a lot of theists get angry explaining why they believe. You can see them get enraged as they realise that what they are saying is total nonsense.... Laughing doesn't help either.....
That email at the beginning can be summed up with a simile. That email is a sliding glass door: unhinged.
Andrew from Florida seems to think "falsify" means "disbelieve".
He literally said we have falsified elves because nobody believes in elves.
This seems to be a common failing among theists: they simply don't understand concepts like "falsify" but they feel free to misuse the terms all day long.
I honestly thought Secular Rarity was going to say "The Atheist Experience was a product of crushed and severed genitals," at the beginning of the show. 😂
I suppose you could argue that it was 😆 the butterfly effect and all that.
Looooool
*Atheist
@@nietzschescodes😖 Thanks, I didn't catch that.
In Iceland, many people literally believe in elves.
What's your problem with elves,huh?😊
Another fine show, with some interesting callers in spite of a bit of frustration.
Secular Rarity misunderstanding what george meant when he said "pissed at your mother's wedding" was hilarious.
"pissed at your mother's wedding"
Yeah, I caught that too...
Hey, I’m definitely new to this channel and have watched a few episodes now. I am very glad something like this exists and, for the most part, you guys do a fantastic job of simplifying complex sciences into comprehensible analogies and examples for those of us who aren’t experts. However, I don’t know if this is something that has just been in the episodes I’ve seen or has been solved, but I do notice that almost all of the theist callers end in them being frustrated because they are getting interrupted. I totally get that you guys want to do it if someone will not progress the conversation or are just being hateful, but I feel you guys can cut a lot of people off very frequently which makes them feel like they truly aren’t being listening to. I know I’d get frustrated if someone interrupted me consistently before I can finish a whole thought and I’m sure it messes up their flow of thought and causes confusion. I don’t agree with these people at all, but I feel like maybe more of an effort should be expressed about how limited your time is on the calls and let them finish a thought before asking about a part of it in the middle of the sentence. Again, great show and I’m really enjoying these conversations, I just think it may be more productive conversation and less problematic if these people are given the room to speak since it is supposed to be a conversation. Good luck!
The moment you believe in the bible, the dilution of your mind shall begin.
The ones that claim they believe in the Bible use it as a menu, not a book.
I would argue that's exactly the purpose. You can't control and exercise power over people without a certain amount of dilution of their mental capabilities.
@@NN-wc7dl yeah, like injecting them with "medicines" for example, which according to kissinger is the best way to control the masses. People are more dumbed down now then ever in history it seems. It can only lead to tyranny and totalitarianism in the end.
@@cnault3244brilliantly put - so simple
Cognitive Dissonance
Always love both of you on these shows! Forrest, I appreciate your ability to explain Evolution and other biological concepts! SR, I really admire your ability to explain philosophical topics to the viewers! However SR, I must say you stab the grammatical section of my brain when you say, "If you want to make Forrest and I answer..." You're killing my Asperger's, Bud!
Try, "Forrest and me", in that example.
Thanks fellas, you're my favorite hosting tandem 🤙🏻
As someone who saw through ridiculous religious indoctrination from the age of about 14, I'd really like to thank the last caller, Christian, for coming on the show and showing everyone how
ludicrous the deity they worship is, it's either a fxcking maniac or imaginary, thank you so much once again Christian.
It’s literally all just nonsense justification for bad behavior. Christian is making god sound like people are born like Vanilla Ice and God is Suge Knight holding him by his feet out the window to sign a contract.
Definitely, even Forrest was losing his rag at the end.
The only thing wrong with atheism is that we know we won't be able to say to the likes of Christian, "See, I told you your belief was ballocks," after the end.
@@davejann
Indeed .. it sucks.
Christers will never realise they were wrong.
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Perfect name for the caller too…
I had problems with the story as a kid too. But recently I've been thinking a LOT about dictatorship. And the meaning of Worship.
Thanks for showing the Crew Cat.
I had a lecturer in university who was of Icelandic heritage and she had stories about elves that she genuinely believed. Her concept of what an elf was is different to say a xmas elf or a little person type elf. So to say no one believes in (x) thing is ridiculous because simply by the law of averages, there is someone out there and probably a group of someones who believe in just about anything. People say "well unicorns don't exist and people don't believe in them". Unicorns are mentioned in the bible. When I was doing my study in Orthodoxy, there are stories about saints being guided by centaurs. There are stories about people slaying dragons. One particularly memorable one was a man who bit off the toe of a recently decease saint and he spat the toe into the dragon's mouth and that is how it was vanquished. These stories are actually taught as if real. There is a saint they believe didn't eat or drink for forty years. People, even intelligent, rational people will believe the weirdest shit.
I ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ this combo!!!! You both are so smart AND enjoyable
Andrew: “I can’t measure, see or detect it, but I believe in it anyway!” 😂
"Andrew" is actually Felix: a catholic apologist who consistantly calls in with weak arguments
@@johnd.shultz7423 Do theists ever have any other kind of argument?
A perfect example of being irrational
Exactly! Your lack of understanding is not evidence for magic.
I loved Forrest's facial expressions/poses/body language during this call. You can tell he's just exhausted by these claims. 😂
God made the mistake of creating photosynthesising plants before he invented light.
" I love brains very much" needs to be clipped
I would love to see that email get a video lol😂
I know this isn’t a new idea as many channels/websites do it, but the ACA hosts definitely need to start a ‘Crazy Angry Theists’ Emails’ section.
It would be hilarious.
Great team, loved this episode and the banter
Forrest, a 4th argument against hell is that the penalty is disproportionate to the sin. What crime does justify a punishment of being tortured for ever?
Yep, Dahmer gets to live in heaven supposedly, but I’m going to hell forever for rejecting the assertion that god(s) exist.
Exactly. Forrest alluded to that in passing, but I think, too, it's a strong enough point to get its own numbered bullet. 4. Eternal punishment for a finite infraction is not just.
1:23:01 - 1:27:56 This rant Forrest delivers should be mandatory viewing for all humans.
Thank you SR for saying my last name correctly in the SuperChats
i want a full break down of that email forrest,on ur channel,bc i lmfao at the bits u presented and i want more!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The guys from Johns Hopkins say they regret calling it a “mystical experience”.
Last discussion with Christian made me happy and proud that I left religion and became Atheist. Bible believers are so horrible when they justify hell!
Christian's brain must be spotless with how well his brain has been washed.
Is hell not justified as punishment for sinners?
@@isaacmorales9973 Eternally torturing someone for disobedience is justified?
If anyone said "I will torture you for not kissing my ass" you would call them a monster. If anyone said "I will torture you for years, and prevent you from dying, for not kissing my ass", they would go down in history for being a monstrous person.
But if anyone said "I will torture you to the end of time and beyond for not kissing my ass" we have a bunch of people saying "Sounds like a justified thing!"
Cthulhu is less monstrous than God. Most of Lovecraft's eldritch horrors are not as cruel or evil as the Christian God. I've read some arguments that Azathoth is Yahweh, or is based on Yahweh. Even so, Azathoth is less cruel, in that everyone would simply cease to exist if Azathoth woke up.
Anyone who says that God is omnibenevolent is wrong. The problem of evil resolves simply: God lied.
@@WukongTheMonkeyKing By what standard do you recognize evil?
@@mrhistorybuff I'm just wondering about how you determine morality. How do you prove anyone is evil?
Forrest stim dancing at 1:09:00 was a WHOLE fucking mood 😅 damn it, Jimmy! Cut to the chase!
Jimmy would still be talking NOW if they let him.
@@ArKritz84 That's the amount of time needed to perform the necessary tap dance that leads to the jumping through hoops so that he can grasp at the imaginary straws that he is so desperate to cling to that so conveniently supports his narrative. Without the performance that enables his wilful ignorance of the lack of logic, there is no possible way a reasonable person could give this argument a second thought.
Jesus fuck. Christian from GA sounded 'normal' and then he's like well, if they they don't believe I'm ok with their skin burning off.
Damn it. I'm gonna go to bat cruise 2024
Please do a break down of that weird email!!!
1:32:00 The reference Forrest makes here to fantastical mischievous li'l humanoids is great.... my underpants do disappear constantly!
The mistake god made during creation was when they made those little pockets of dirt/sand/mud that when you step on them your feet sink in just enough to terrify you, but not enough to be dangerous. Like quick sand light™️
@Caller Andrew
I was raised by atheitsts, and I never had any thoughts about god or supernatural things. Only when I was older and I could understand such concepts, and was confronted with believers, did it enter my mind.
And it was really weird to me at that time. 😊
One of the main problems Tim is making is assuming there will be enough time. I don’t even have to do the math to know the astronomically high number of permutations would take longer than the we believe the universe will ever exist. The best current model is the heat death of the universe, which would stop the “permutations”.
I would argue that the premise is corrupt from the start. It relies on the premise that 2 exact versions of a brain would be exactly the same person or produce the same thoughts. There is just no proof of this. It might even exist already that this has already happened, that 2 people in the world were alive and had the exact same brain configuration, would you call it 'reincarnation' if your 'dopplebrainer' is currently alive at the same time that you are?
but i like seeing your faces. forrest is amazingly animated and i am here for it. love you all.
I listen to the show mostly while running so sometimes i have trouble remembering what they look like. Love them all anyway!
MRI studies have shown exactly what happens during spiritual experiences. Not supernatural. Not evidence of any God.
My nights are no longer complete until I watch an episode of AXP
Legendary content cobber's!
Keep up the great work.
…cobber’s what?
@@dusankosik4363 cobber
noun INFORMAL•AUSTRALIAN
a companion or friend (often used as a form of address between men).
"G'day cobbers!"
@@smochygrice465 Singular: cobber
Plural: cobbers
@@dusankosik4363 Correct, as there was. Plural: Hosts.
Not, Singular: Host.
Peace.
@@smochygrice465 🤦🏻♂️ I give up.
Love you guys thanks 😂❤
When two dice are rolled, there are now 36 different and unique ways the dice can come up.
Depends if you consider the dice order (as you do) or not.
Also depends how many sides are on the dice
Great show, it’s just a pleasure to listen to your arguments, so logical, I just wish I could handle believers with such a respect and logic.
Wishing you the best!
Wow, that last Caller Christian just gets more horrifying and awful every time he calls either ACA shows or the Line shows, his arguments are just really awful, the more I watch these shows the more I am convinced these callers don't even actually hear or realize what they are saying/defending, it is really sad hearing someone defend just awful stuff but it seems like they defend it at any cost without knowing what they are saying like they are on autopilot
When Forrest asked him if there was any reason he'd torture his loved ones and Christian actually hesitated 😢
@@HTGY6YTH67Y yeah, wild, just shows exactly what Forrest claims that god is a monster
I feel like he is a troll. It just can’t be that he is a real person.
@@heinz57channel39 how's that?, Do you know people?, Not only do I think he is real, there are thousands if not millions just like him
@@ARoll925hopefully they will all end up in the hell of another religion
When I was a Christian, the idea that God would forgive anyone for anything as long as their repentance was true, did seem very loving. But I always struggled with the idea that a loving God/Father would send a good person to hell for doubting/not loving him. But I did the mental gymnastics to justify it. That God doesn't actually do the torturing. That is just a matter of welcoming ppl into heaven is they wanted to be with him, and leaving them out of not. I imagined the devil/demons then being able to drag the ones left out to hell. Sad for those who weren't really evil, but they didn't want to be in God's house, so that's the consequence, right???
But then I became a parent. I thought about if my daughter rebelled against me. Didn't want to live with me at all. Hated me. If she was then living on the street, and was attacked, I'd still go save her. If she still didn't want to live with me. I'd try to mend that, but if I couldn't, but had the power to build her a safe place separate from me, but safe from attack and torture, I would. That's true, unconditional love. God is all powerful and all knowing, and in our culture today, is supposed to be an all loving parent. So God could create a place for non believers that isn't torturous. And honestly, it would be better if they then tried to actually have personal relationships with ppl, and the ppl at any point could decide is they wanted to be in God's house or not. Not, love me during your short little life on Earth, where you are inundated with false information and just have to sift through the bullshit and figure out what's right on your own and believe and love me on faith alone, and that matters more than any actions you take. And that is the only chance you get, then it's heaven or hell for eternity.
He could also design appropriate levels of punishment/rehabilitation for those who do wrong.
The mistake God made was creating theist trolls...
But those are the, "real christians" though 😂😂
I love these two guys ! Both are awesome.
Forrest nailed the tide analogy 👏
Except I do have a bottle of tide in my laundry room
@@j.bippert fair enough 🤣
Tide comes in powder.
Tide comes in liquid.
There's no miscommercialization.
Imagination is a wonderful accelerant for a belief
You know Forrest had reached his limit when he broke kayfabe calling SR by his given name...
Give us the Valkai Labs Mars Excavation Opposition Email. We demand it!! 🎉🎉🎉
Isn’t arguing about the morality of hell a little like arguing about the morality of Santa’s workshop?
Santa and his forced elf slave labor is immoral.
This last guy reinforced my atheism
Christian calls every show and presents a whiny apology for his religious beliefs ......not a Dunning Kruger as he doesn't claim to be super smart, which he clearly is not. "God is infinitely holy" LOL
He’s smart enough, it’s just that he’s a salesman selling shorted stocks, like in the movie Boiler Room.
Clearly every atheist has dunning kruger since they are so confident in not believing in God but they don't know if there is no God to begin with.
@@isaacmorales9973 you really think you’re doing something there, but in reality, that sentence doesn’t make sense.
@@joemiller7082 it makes sense to people who are actually smart so yeah i understand why it doesn't make sense to you.
@@isaacmorales9973 Huh? Atheism is simply a non belief in a god and is not defined as a positive belief that there is no god....sounds like you need to consult a dictionary before you post as you appear to be suffering from Dunning Kruger Syndrome .... thinking you know more than you do
so Andrew doesn't realize that a deity is just a powerful space ghost
Why has no one said how Alexander the great and Jesus were separated by 100s of years? 😂😂😂
Andrew and Christian are good examples of your brain on religion.
The mistake gawd made when creating the Earth was he put way too much salt in the large bodies of water. His precious humans can't drink it.
Revelation 21 : 1 says there will be no more sea (this would include all large bodies of water).
21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
This means that god obviously knows how to create the ideal world for humans (with only lakes/rivers?) and the current world with it's salty oceans causing dehydration and death for many (especially in the times before industrial scale desalinization was invented) is there to "test" mankind.
@@Firestorm12345678910 The book of Revelation was written by a crazy man who was pissed off at being oppressed by the Roman Emperor Nero and his armies. It has absolutely nothing to do with the future of this world. None of what he wanted to happen did happen anyway. It's a stupid rant by a total nutter. That's it.
@@Firestorm12345678910 Revelation was not written as a description of future events. It belongs to the genre of apocalyptic literature.
You should look into the scholarship.
@@Firestorm12345678910I don’t believe in your holy book 🙂 got anything else?
@@NickBollingerMusic For me it's just a story book like any other story book.
I knew it, someone asked what consciousness is, there's half the show taken up by a lecture from Forrest. I'm convinced some folk phone in and ask that question because they know we won't be able to shut Forrest up once he gets started.
Today I learned that Secular Rarity's given name is Elliot.
The opening email is so unhinged 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Re : Rookz's question as to why God created periods ?
Well , had she not done so when taking part in many of man's greatest literary works , how would we to know where one sentence ends and another begins ?
Biggest Mistake During Creation: Giving humans a body capable of being corrupted by sin.
And the best part, it's a valid argument.
The mistake god made was trying to communicate thru text!! Really???
A mistake that God made during creation he forgot to leave the evidence for the world wide flood. Duh
God: oh right. Evaporation is a thing. SMH.
God’s mistake during creation: Making the plants before the sun. Those plants be starving.
I've never really had a problem with the plants (day 3) being created before the sun (day 4). Surely presumably perfect plants can survive a day before the sun starts shining?
I mean, it's obviously still a completely fictitious story, but the plants thing just seems to be so insignificant, that it isn't even worth mentioning.
@@papaquonis true but it goes hand in hand with light being created before the sun. Tf happened there 😂😂 also, we don’t know how long days are in the creation story, especially since the sun wasn’t the first thing created lol- ken ham himself admits that a “day” could constitute as a million years. Most non-young earth creationists don’t believe the 7 days to be what we would define as a week now. Most say that the bible states in certain passages that each day included “generations” of things which doesn’t make a ton of sense if it were to be a 24hr day. So no one really knows how long each “day” of creation was supposed to be. If it was 24hrs, sure, might not matter at all, but if it was longer, then yeah, that’s a massive problem. Of course it’s all fiction like you said, but it’s worth mentioning that many people who believe in the bible do not believe in 24hr days of the creation.
@@papaquonis For me it is, because plants need sunlight to survive, and if it was a perfect plant then why create the sun later? it already existed day and night without sun anyway, so the sun is not needed at all. I understand is all fiction, but when you connect it with reality, which is what apologists try to do, it starts to fall apart pretty quickly.
Personally I like to compare this fictitious story with other fictitious story, like thor's hammer, it puts the apologists in the spot of either denying science (which makes theirs just as true as the magical hammer one) or appealing to magic despite science (which puts their fable as valid as the magical hammer one)
Chlorophyll/photosynthesis prior to Sunlight. Yeah, that's an issue.
@@papaquonis The temperature of the earth would be closer to absolute zero without the sun so those plants would be having much more than photosynthesis problems.
That email was an absolute mountain of weirdness... that much batshit insanity and you only shared a little bit of it?
I’m reading Leviticus right now. I started at 16(I was looking for a quote) and I kept reading to 27 and I’ve circled back around from 1-9 and it’s insanely stupid.
You’d have to read it and not once does it ever mention washing your hands…
So the book is a bunch of laws and some basic hygiene concerns.
I’ll give you an example. If you touch anything with cum or menstrual blood you are dirty.(even if it’s yours)
However when sacrificing small animals or very expensive animals some that are entirely burnt and sometimes the priest get to keep most of it and the blood is always being rubbed on horns and poured on the alter and sprinkled on clothes and don’t forget to rub a smudge on your right ear lobe and your left big toe….
You put the blasphemer to death, sometimes you kill them sometimes you burn them and sometimes you just kick them out of town for no reason at all.
It’s insane, maybe it made sense once, but it makes absolutely zero sense at all.
If you ejaculate you are dirty, the things you touch are dirty. I’m talking smashing crook pots and burning clothes.
It’s endless chaos. One more. If you sleep safe it’s god, if you get out to the sword by an enemy it’s also god, but he warned us!
We were already definitely guilty of screwing up 100’s of these things and god let you have it because everyone’s obviously messed anyway.
There are rules about how to burn an animal for sins you aren’t aware that you’ve made and it doesn’t really matter if you are aware of it or not. PAY UP SUCKER! The priest need to eat too.
Thoroughly enjoyed this! 😊💜