Counter Steering EXPLAINED 3 Levels Of Difficulty
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Thank you I have been thinking about it for such a long time I have been doing level 3 for quite sometime now when I countersteer my bike leans I always point my tyres toward the direction I am going and I was afraid because I don know is it a correct technique so thank you for clearing it up
I love how the explanation makes it seem complicated, but it just happens naturally when you're riding.
Yes, just let your riding happen naturally, and PRACTICE! I began refining my bicycling this way, as a 9- year old! When I became a licensed grasshopper at age 16, I would practice slaloming (is that a word?) on my Ducati 98. In farm country, excellent two-lane roads have funny dashed lines painted, white, as a broken stripe in the middle of the lane. I would slalom left, then right, choosing to leave three or four dashed lines between the next ‘swerve’ left or right, using ‘counter-steering’! Of course, it would be 40 years before seeing this term in print media. Anyway, use all of your senses all of the time you are riding, not just when practicing! After all, there is no fun in silly practicing, just to get wiped out from behind or in front! Relaxing in the face of adversity allows “The Force”, and practice, to carry you through successfully. Ride on!
You don't even need to use your hands.
Turn with your knees and the exact same thing happens.
Goes to show that overthinking/analysing it is the problem.
Yes indeed, it's a purely natural occurrence that a toddler learns on a scooter so no need to micro analyse it for noobs.
In the real world, the noob is travelling along at 70 mph approaching a tight right hander and thinks... ooh push... and pushes forward and not down with really cool results.
........ "but I saw someone saying that's how you corner safely "......
You wouldn’t believe how unnatural counter steering feels for a beginner, especially when you force it knowingly instead of the tiny unconcious steering impulses you do naturally. I have many friends who as beginners were slow as snails in corners just because they reduced speed so much in order to apply the minimum counter steer and lean angle possible.
Only when they pushed themselves to ‘play’ with the counter steering in combination with the ‘sensation of falling over’ (explained in another great MotoJitsu video by Greg) they actually started to become good and safe riders.
@@ElDuderino999 not to mention when people panic and try to steer away from something like they do in a car and end up counter steering right into it
You seriously just made this so much more clear than any other video or contain ever had for me. You really know your stuff and I want to thank you for putting out quality content to help out people like me
Been watching all sorts of riding technique content... hours upon hours of it and this is the FIRST TIME that any instructor has brought up the fact to RELAX THE STEER once desired lean angle is reached. None of the other "Big Teachers" (you know several of whom I mean if you consume this type of content) have brought up stopping the counter steer. They only ever focus on the "push left, lean left, go left" and that's it. You, kind sir have earned a Subscribe!
Thank you - you're helping make riders safe day by day and make the world of motorcycling a better place for it!
I loved that point about 'relaxing the steer' too! I haven't heard that said before.
Exactly, always felt something was missing in all those videos
One relaxes the push to sta in a stable lean/turn. Then one again countersteer, that is making the turn sharper to raise the bike and go straight again. Countersteer to get into a lean and again countersteer the other way to get out of a lean/turn.
From riding mountainbikes and motocross/enduro quite a bit, countersteering became very intuitive for me and I felt very confident at slower speed maneuvers. However, what I wasn't used to is how stable motobikes become at higher speeds and how inert they feel above ~50mph. Had a situation during my license practice riding where I was going somewhere around 70mph through a long highway turn that I started to run wide. Slight body weight shifting and looking where I wanted to go didn't really tightened my turning radius all that much, but by remembering how countersteering works a gentle input (pushed inside, slightly pulled outside) instantly created slightly more lean angle and tightened the radius just right very smoothly. For me that was a key moment/experience. At slow speeds everything felt so natural and easy, but at high speeds I felt like I really had to spend some concious effort to kinda "reteach" contersteering to me because of how different the bike felt (to me) once it became stabilized by the fast turning wheels.
Content like yours really helped me to understand and consider a lot of important things regarding street riding technique, that hasn't been adressed so deeply and/or well explained like in the course. So thanks for that! Once I got my license and own bike, I hope I find a nice parking lot and will give your Motojitsu drills a shot for sure!
and like wise your comment is also invaluable to me - as someone who mountain bikes and rode bicycles at the age of two ; even a high-electric unicycle; I'm really glad to hear you perspectives on this especially the situation about the higher speeds where intuitions around what would normally come naturally on a bike doesn't necessarily translate to a motorcycle - where deliberate / conscious effort into counter-steering is actually required. duly noted.
Something that made it much more confusing for me when I started learning about it was that no one really talked about the transition from the counter steer, to steering into the turn once you've got the lean angle, so it's nice to see that part covered.
After you initiate the fall/lean by countersteering, the wheel/handlebar will tend to turn by itself in the right direction.
This is probably why more beginner bikes shake so much on the highway. The death grip on the handle bars is constant counter steering if they don’t stay close to the bike or have their arms too stiff. It’s really hard to tell novice riders not to grip the grips so hard. Best way is to have your hands hover over them with just enough grip you don’t slide around. The average person probably thinks when a biker takes his hands off the bars the bike will go out of control easy. Usually the other way around. I used to do this on my mountain bike, usually ended up hitting a tree though half the time. Loves the explanation he gave. This will help a lot of people out if they practice slow. Can seriously save your life instead of panicking.
Great video, as always. What I find fantastic about counter-steering is the fact that you can correct yourself instantly if you overcook a turn. And it takes just a minimal push - or pull - to do that.
Well, as long you didn't overcook it _too_ much, ha. (That's where trail braking becomes your best friend/lifeline!)
@@TravisTerrell Oh, but I did, a few times... I have shat a few diamonds. But is all good, all part of the learning curve.
@@ADVBear Ahahaha, been there! You may already do it, but just in case--definitely learn and practice trail braking. Ha, I feel like I'm always saying that, but it's such a great and easy to learn safety-enhancing skill.
@@TravisTerrell I a;lready cover the front brake, and use trail breaking. I have practiced a lot - and still do. But when I started riding... all hail safety equipment.
Agree with all these comments.
I've heard it said you can't use counersteering below 20mph. Wrong.
I also use it as someone mentioned to adjust my line once committed into a turn, standing the bike up after a turn and to counter gusty side winds. Basically everywhere.
Dude keep making these vids cuz I'm a new rider, and a lot of experienced drivers give wrong or confusing info...your explanations are good n understandable.
MotoJitsu is pretty much my pre-MSF course lol
Thank you! This was life changing! I watched several of your counter steering videos this weekend. I’ve had my bike for a few years now but have barely ridden it because of too much life chaos! When I did get to ride, I was super slow and timid because I didn’t know how to steer properly. A friend and my husband suggested I watch your videos before taking me out to practice. We went for a ride today and I tried counter steering for the first time. It was like a lightbulb went off and everything came together for me! Thank you for putting out amazing content like this! I feel a lot safer and more fluid.
I have been countersteering my bicycle all my life and didn't realize it until I started watching these motorcycle videos. Lol
Let me guess, now it's confusing.
Right, me too. I even doubt if it is actually a counter steer due to so many complicated and confusing explanations
@@yogeshyonjan5179 most of us instinctually experience counter steering. But when ever there is a video or someone explains it in person most peoples mind start to explode with confusion. Anyway i remember as a kid riding my BMX bike downhills and experiencing counter steering because of the high speed (i didnt know it was counter steering at that time) but anyway i remember going side to side in a sweeping motion not realizing that my handle bars were not turning in the same direction that i was turning (hence counter steering) hope that makes sense.
When my 2 year old grandson got control over his first 2-wheeled bike, he had full control over countersteering, but no word for it ;)
He never had training wheels, just a balance bike with low seat and no pedals. Now at the age of 4 he does mountainbiking.
I had trouble mentally getting this concept. Thankfully, the "push left/go left" or "push right/go right" really helped, especially when riding and not thinking about it. I've practiced this earlier in the week on my commute. It is way more intuitive on the bike. I just had trouble wrapping my head around it conceptually. Great video; thank you!
Understand the physics behind it and it turns out much easier to think about
@@1narutogrand Yes, indeed! Stay safe!
LMAO..you drove right past my old office when i lived in SD....and yes, there's not trick to counter steering..nothing to be afraid of, and if new riders put in the time everything becomes less scary and more intuitive. Great Video
Love these short specific videos. It’s like reading an article vs reading a book. Short, very well written (explained), and to the point.
FINALLY!!! Someone actually tells you how to “exit” a counter-steer… by pushing the opposite way of the turn.
I know this may seem self explanatory to most, but we never want new riders to assume anything.
I really like the way you break things down into steps: great way to learn. Thanks 😊
I've seen a bunch of videos trying to understand counter steering. This is bar none the best. Clear and to the point.
Gotta say I've been binging your videos thankfully with no ads (premium) and gotta say these counter steering videos have made me feel so much more comfortable on my bike.
THANK YOU!
Waiting until the weather clears to practice some quick stops next.
Best explanation i see
Congrats! This is BY FAR (!) the best demonstration of the physical effects of counter-steering a bike I've ever seen! Thank you!
Specially LEVEL 1 demonstrates how counter-steering is in the first place a "counter leaning" (staying in that lean angle through the effect of the angular momentum of both rotating wheels) ...
... clarifying that counter-steering is a serially combined two step process ... first lean than turn into the curve ... ;-)
LEVEL 3 is a great practical advice ... doing all counter-steering with the left hand (push for lean left & pull for lean right) so that the right hand is free for control of brake & throttle ...
At last, after all these years and watching so many videos on this subject and hearing so much confusing and conflicting advice finally you sir have made it crystal clear. Now I can't wait to practice this. Your demos too are so good. I'm 62 for heaven's sake and this has always bugged me. Thank you so much
After 30 odd years of motorcycling, I started hearing and seeing videos about " how to countersteer", thinking it was some new technique, but no, it's something I've been doing subconsciously all the time. I think new riders are under the impression you have to make really deliberate inputs on the bars, but you don't. I have the feeling that you will set out to practice this, and realize you have always done it naturally! :-)
I don't think it is something you practice. I don't really understand all this talk about it. It's really the way a motorcycle, or any two wheeler, turns. You do it already, else you couldn't ride.
@Pete Firth.
Indeed, drives me nuts when I hear noob bikers tell of how "counter steering saved my life" and "how did I ever ride without this knowledge"...... Sorry but you learn this on a scooter when you're about four years old doing it naturally and micro analysing it to get more likes is just nonsense.
Sorry Phil Forrest, but if you're still trying to figure out a natural occurrence at 62.......
Despatch rider for thirty years and I learned "counter steering" when my dad stopped pushing me without stabilisers. How did I survive as a courier until this awe inspiring knowledge?
same here , never could understand how this can possibly work !!! and a lot of other videos on the subject never mention to relax on the push once the bike leans in the desired direction !!!! he definitely made it a lot easier to understand !!!!!
Your short vlogs on motorcycle control really hit the spot . I have gone out and put your advise into practice and yes it’s certainly helped me improve , keep these coming . Many thanks .
Paul
Nobody has explained it to me in a simple way as you have. Huge thanks! Greetings from Poland!
I don’t think it’s possible to explain things better than this channel. Best explanation I’ve found on TH-cam, great
I tried your tips on bicycle first just to practice. Can't stress enough how helpful this was to me, and how much more confident I feel with my steering control now. Thanks a lot.
I think this video gave me my eurika moment! fairly beginner rider here (bought a year or so in) - been feeling less confident on my right turns even with a faily shallow lean angle, but your note on pulling with a left same as pushing to the right to give you more control over throttle might be something to take note of - also the whole explaination of the counter steering aspect at low speed before this video left me confused but for which ever reason i've understodd it clear as day this time. Happy Riding!
Thank you so much for all the content. This is probably the best explanation I've seen for counter steering. As a new rider I've found your content absolutely invaluable
Probably the best explanation of counter-steering technique I ever heard.
You are the leader in my book Dude! Only 4 other guys come close to you and you jibe with them all! But you are a constant and that’s valuable training! Thinking about it every day, even if you are a commuter, your tips should bring joy! Thanks!
Motojitsu- dudemon...."I rode when I was young." Never heard THAT before. Then marriage, kids, job, life and all of a sudden, no ride. What? Thanks for helping me back to the motor-hood. I was a sport bike, now I'm a cruiser, um I think I want a sport bike too, but.... that's another thread. Because of you I practice a different maneuver every day that I ride (3-4 times a week). I'm u-turning at 20 ft. on an 1100 cc bike, THANKS to you AND it came in handy at a swarming and very packed Walmart gas station on a Saturday afternoon... like Frogger on steroids. (I'm a little older) but thanks to you, I handled it like a pro. No foot ever touched the pavement. Ha! Counter steering, I knew about that in the 80s, BUT again you even helped me in that area too (everybody needs a great coach). I say riding comes easier and is way more fun when you're really good at it. Thanks! Do you have merchandise?
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I guess a lot of riders like me requested further explanation concerning slow speed counter steering. I have been riding a long time and I ride on tracks, dirt bikes, muscle bike drag racing and I guess you are never to old to stop learning, thanks!
This video is as simple as it's important and awesome. IMHO it belongs in a chapter of the ChampU online course, in fact I have requested more information about counter-steering in the forums to which they've replied "we already touch briefly on the subject". This is something riders do intuitively but it's so much more clear to understand it when explained like this, thank you so much.
I was confused about the concept of counter steering as I prepared for my learner's course. I watched several videos, but it wasn't until I saw this one that I really understood the maneuver. Thanks, great video!
Thanks. Love your videos. I’m working on the white belt skills right now with my Goldwing. Just the few exercises I’m doing has already improved my riding so much.
This is so brilliant, thanks! The way I've often heard people describe turning didn't quite make sense to me because it seemed to imply that you continued to apply that initial pressure through the turn. Now I completely get it. When I was a kid I was obsessed with being able to ride a bicycle as precisely as possible, even when going extremely slowly. While doing that, I realised that when you turn on two wheels, you're doing what I called slightly rounding into the turn to absorb some of that forward momentum into the arc. That was kind of just a less accurate way of describing what you're talking about, I think. Cheers!
Thank you for talking about countersteering as the destabilization moment vs what the tire does through the turn. I have had multiple friends tell me that in up from 30kph the handlebars stay straight in turns when they corner and they only "lean" as if they had a solid assembly on their steering stem... After a while it gets to a point where i stop arguing with stoopid 😂
Thanks for this explanation! This is of great help to me, your videos and explanations have helped me a lot, I have improved my technique and my handling has been improved on trips with my groups.
Beautifully explained! I’ve learnt a lot!
Thank you!
Beautiful camera angles and use of slow motion. I get hype when a new video comes out. You taught me how to shift gears better and now I look forward to learning something new
Yep, been watching a lot on this subject and you have just nailed it for me. Got it. Thank you !
The best video on countersteering ever. especially because of the emphasis on the second part of countersteering, relax on the handelbar and allow the wheels to follow the corner.
The one finger on the bar really illustrates it. Most people say, "Here, look! I'm pushing on this side!" They dont understand that they're not showing anyone anything, as no one can see where the pressure is applied in their illustration.
Good show here, you made it obvious.
wow wow wow.. Great explanation. So simple and clear. The last tip was gold too. Steer more with left hand and more throttle and brake control with right hand.
Great video, I saw this effect of first getting the bike to lean by counter steering and after follow through with the "normal way" or "expected way" of turning. There is a video of you showing how to swerve and the camera is right in front with the bike coming towards the camera, and I was able to see exactly what you explained here and finally got it that time. But with this one is much clear of how counter steering works. As you said the only thing to do now is to practice to take advantage of it.
Wow your videos are amazing quality. I bought my first bike, CFMOTO 650NK, today and it is a BLAST! I've been re-watching many technique videos to help improve my riding skills more quickly. Thanks!
Thanks for this, I knew I was right that I have learned to counter steer since my early teens. Just got really confused on so many explanations. IT IS ABSOLUTELY possible at very slow speed.
Best explanation I’ve seen yet. Thanks for what you do.
as a beginner on a 149cc bike this is awesome advice
I really like how you explained the first level of difficulty. The penny dropped for me when you demonstrated how the bike responded on the road when gently pushing one side of the handlebar. Thanks so much !!
You, Me, We don't actually "counter steer" the motorcycle does the counter steering. I'm not gonna get in to the physics of it. Most people find this topic confusing. Most people actually do it intuitively and some actually stop to think about it and go hmmm i notice the bike goes in the opposite direction when i try turning the bike handlebars in the direction i thought it would turn, hence I'm traveling in a straight line and turn the bars to the left (i slightly nudge them left and the bike jerks to the right and vice versa) (I'm not pushing on the bars) at least not yet (fully pushing) this is done at higher speeds. I've experienced normal steering at speeds below 10 miles per hour.
Sounds like a distinction without a difference. I don't ride the motorcycle -- the motorcycle rides itself?
@@benburwick3403 i understood what he said, either you're a sad clown or a bad troll.
@@Kris_P._Bey_Ken Ha! I'll take sad clown. I'm glad you understood. I just don't understand what you mean when you say we don't counter steer, the motorcycle does.
@@benburwick3403 put it this way, ... Yes i get it, WE'RE counter steering when we're on the motorcycle I'm guessing that's were the confusion starts. I've seen many videos talk about so and so crashed because he didn't know, use the concept of counter steering blah blah blah. All over the comment section every one is like what is it? It's confusing when and why do wee need it or use it. And just like this video he literally show us what counter steering is (he demonstrated pushing the bars left and right) I'm assuming what ANONYMOUS e meant was when you push(steer) in one direction the bike COUNTER STEERS YOUR action in the opposite direction hence the "motorcycle does the counter steering" you're joke is still eh.... Hardy har har. 🤘😎
“Normal steering below 10 mph”? You always countersteer to control a bike from 0,001 mph up to any speed. .
Loved the explanation of using your left hand to pull in order to leave your right hand to focus on throttle and brake! Never heard that before and I have that problem pushing on the right bar, this is perfect
The 'Castor Effect of Trail'. That's a great little insight to why counter steering behaves the way it does. Great video.
THIS CLEARED MY CONFUSION, THANK YOU!
Thanks, yes, great info. I find that on my Indian Scout that I was hesitant to push hard enough in a higher speed turn as it takes a good amount of pressure. So I started pushing as usual AND pulling some with the other hand too. Much better results.
Thank you for your help this really cleared up a lot for me!!
Sixty year old former pilot working up for A2 licence in Spain. Ride my 125 Shadow, looking forward to getting a Honda CB500X.
I love the series and have subscribed. I can never see me doing wheelies, but even learning about what causes them is invaluable for prevention and cure.
Gyroscopic theory describes counter steering at speed. Still trying to get my head around slow speed stuff. Going to find a parking lot to practice White Belt.
Thank you, man.
Another awesome video and lesson. Thank you for taking the time to make these videos.
Thank you so much for this video! You answered questions that I did not even know I had!
That's brilliant. The best description I've seen
Excellent videos. I come here before and after I practice in the parking lot. I can’t say I have ever been in a do or die situation but why wait for that to start practicing. Thanks.
First person that explained this totally understandable and practical, toy bike nailed it!
Thank you for the simplified explaination.
Absolutely excellent explanation!!
Best and simple!
great job explaining it in easy to understand language, especially the point to stop pushing on the grip 👍🏻
Thank you. You give very good explanations and advice.
You drop a vid and i am watching. Most of the stuff you go over I have been doing for year on my dirt bikes. 42 years I have been riding but 3 years ago I bought my first street bike. I have been street bikes since I was 10. My Uncle had a KZ 1000 in 86 and I would ride he would sit on the back. Everything I have learned over the years had made my learning curve very small. For me it was trusting that the tires would grip on the road. But I’m not a track guy I am more of a Road Racer! I know the road is way more dangerous but it is more fun to me. Stay safe Bruddah!
Yerp. It's awesome for setting up smooth leans on the freeway. Once I learned how to counter steer (consciously) I got stupidly comfortable quickly
Transfer of weight is a part of this as well.
I like the part when he does the slow motion turn to his right and you can see he is looking ahead where he wants to go. Probably the most easiest difficult thing to do.
Thanks for this , it added greater understanding of the counterstearing dinamic👍
Terrific, thought-invoking, and educational video. Thank you.
Absolutely vital information Greg. Relax on the bars after your steering is oompleted.
I love how you did talk about your own bike management choices like why you pick to turn with one hand over the other hand
Great video, great way of explaining everything. Not everyone can explain very detailed and vividly.
You just cleared up so much confusion man, thank you❤
Great explanation, sir! I do it everyday but never realized what "counter steering" really meant until this video. Such a great explanation with the figurine. Mind blown by such a basic concept. Easy to do, but easy to fail (at low speeds) if the concept is not purely understood.
Best video on counter steering so far.
Great lessons as always, thank you.
Crucial stuff, all along I have been crushing bikes and I hadn't considered this technicality, thanks.
Thank you for this, I've been reading this part in Ohio Motorcycle Operator's manual, and I couldn't wrap my head around it. You explained it in a way that's so easy to understand.
Before I started riding, the concept of counter steering sketched me out. But when you get on a bike and actually counter steer, you find out it feels very natural and intuitive it is, despite how strange it sounds on paper.
I love the beginning with the I-15 corridor as a safe ( mostly ) place to demonstrate counter-steering. Sometimes it's like you're in an isolated, walled off test track that's all yours.
Hey I just came across this and I appreciate it mostly because I was out watching people riding bicycles today and saw that they all just did it instinctively and had never thought that they were turning the "wrong" way to turn in the right way. Inescapable physics we just never noticed. So cool, thanks for pointing this out, it's fun to watch.
welcome!
Excellent explanation of counter steering thank you 🙏🏼
Broooo, This explanation was amazing.
Thank you so much.
i get my first bike on tuesday. youve been the best youtuber to for me to watch for instructional vods. thanks dog
Super video, will be practicing, thank you.
What a great video!! Other videos make it seem like rocket science and like magic lol best explanation I’ve seen
Best video on the subject matter. Thank you.
i just want to say that if you feel not comfortable with counter steering on a motorcycle, you can do it even on your bicycle ^^ I started using counter steering few years ago when I started my adventure with motorcycles and I was using it even without knowing it's counter steering because since i was a kid i was riding a lot on bicycles and I was just used to it :P
and remember that counter steering saves lifes
Needed this today. As a new rider I been practicing for the last two weeks this haha
GREAT EXPLANATION!
Excellent Explanation... Quite honestly I don't remember the CHP course explaining it the way you you did.
Thanks Greg! I finally got it after this video 🎉
You explained this so well thank you so much
The easiest explanation I have seen, thanks 😊 😊
Hi,,thank you for your work in putting these drills and passing on correct attitude. Since I have been doing investing in myself and not my bike, my riding pleasure has gone to a different level.... just want to keep riding...if you ever in New Zealand...look me up.. thank you Jase
Been an active counter steer rider for many years, two things i have learned to do regarding counter steer, #1) make pushing the dominant force rather than a balance of push/pull, feels awkward for the first few minutes but absolutely improves precision and control. #2). Use my outside knee to push into the tank as I apply the push on the bar.
'been an active counter steer rider for many years'. Take this from a Dutchee who rides bicycles since age three; this makes no sense. If you ride, you countersteer. You could not turn right if you couldn't steer left. Such are the laws of physics. Angular momentum and all that.
@@Blashyrkh2124 I think you have mis- read or mis-interpreted my post. I don't understand your last sentence, I'm not at all sure what you are trying to say.
@@Blashyrkh2124 Sure, everyone who rides uses countersteering. But not everyone who rides knows they're countersteering. My MSF instructor when I got my endorsement was completely sure that countersteering was accomplished by pushing down on the handlebars rather than forward. Obviously, he's pushing forward at some point (because he's been riding for years and has presumably turned at some point during all that time), but he still doesn't actually know what he's really doing to manipulate the bike, and so he must be doing the proper manipulation by accident while he's trying to do his downward push.
When someone talks about how they countersteer, I tend to assume that they mean they do it intentionally rather than that assuming that they think it's optional.
best explanation on youtube, thanks 👍🏻
I'm left-handed and do most steering input with my left hand. This reduces the dexterity demands on my non-dominant hand which is already busy with the throttle. I became aware of this somewhat recently and I'm glad to know I'm not the only one pulling the outside bar rather than pushing the inside one.