Philip Yancey & The Grace Crisis Facing Modern Christianity

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  • @benbenest7713
    @benbenest7713 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I remember when the Grace book first came out. At the time I was totally convinced that without theological rectitude you were outside the Kingdom.
    The book set me on a very different course that's taken me a lifetime to work through the implications., but it gave me a different set of spectacles

  • @graceunhaean
    @graceunhaean ปีที่แล้ว +4

    His book what’s so amazing about grace changed my life 🥹 so thankful for this interview!

  • @chaddonal4331
    @chaddonal4331 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I read Yancey’s “What’s So Amazing About Grace” in 2020 at a pivotal time in my life. Our church had seen influxes of damaging fundamentalism evidenced by harsh, divisive rhetoric that needlessly divides (not from the leaders, but by undermining lay people). I knew something was wrong, but didn’t have the words for it.
    Yancey supplied the words and the diagnosis. A doctrine of “grace” had been separated from a character of graciousness, and used as a weapon. His book called us back to reconnect our character with our doctrine. It was, for me, a life-changing book and contributed to setting me on a new course-particularly when coupled with Swindoll’s “Grace Awakening” from the same era.

  • @kellyschroeder7437
    @kellyschroeder7437 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amen, thanks Amazing Grace How Sweet the Sound ✝️✝️✝️🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

  • @T-41
    @T-41 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Honest, impressive program. Something that didn’t get much conversation, but is illustrative- the turmoil is in the white Evangelical churches, but hasn’t developed in black Churches.

  • @bethmaxey2326
    @bethmaxey2326 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My friend neurosurgeon Dr. W. Lee Warren is a friend of Phillip and adores him and talks about his work often! Dr. Warren talks about how faith and neuroscience smash together for self brain surgery.

  • @MichaelJohnson-vi6eh
    @MichaelJohnson-vi6eh ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I attend a very progressive church, but I think one thing that we "lost" is the idea that we are not supposed to treat each other the way that the world treats us. We are supposed to be "counter cultural" in the way that we live and treat people. Some progressive churches have focused so much on "saving the world" and getting involved in politics and forgot how to just be experts in loving and comforting and forgiving almost as much as more conservative churches have.

    • @PhilAlumb
      @PhilAlumb ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "Experts in loving and comforting and forgiving.." 😳😆🤣

  • @kjmav10135
    @kjmav10135 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fascinating that Mr. Yancey, coming from the South, has not mentioned the Southern Strategy. In the 50s and the 60s, as Northern Democrats became more and more invested in the civil rights, the Republican Party actively worked to give disaffected white Southern Democrats a place where they could be more comfortable with their racism. Each party has its demographic sectors that it relies on for votes. The Republicans realized, more and more over the years, that they could build relationships among Evangelical leaders, who would in turn, deliver white Evangelical votes to Republican candidates. Paul Weyrich, Jerry Falwell were both instrumental in this effort. Obviously, they were very successful. Randall Balmer has written a great deal about how racism fueled efforts to politicize Evangelicals-even unbeknownst to many rank-and-file Evangelicals!

  • @markdavies8381
    @markdavies8381 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    His problem when he comes to explaining about the approach of Christians to a lost world he wants to break it down into an either/or story but the the Gospel is a both/and story. The aim is to find the equilibrium of showing love and presenting the realities of going to a lost eternity, in fact it is an act of love to tell a blind person who is walking to the edge of a cliff to stop or they will meet with a dreadful end.
    “Rescue those who are taken away to death, and hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter.” Pv 24:10
    And what is Grace? Grace is not showing love, anyone can show love, and kindness. You do not need to be saved to show love or kindness, Jesus himself says even the unbeliever does these things, and why, because whether they believe it or not they are made in the image of God and therefore even though in a marred way, are still capable of showing that they are in the image of their maker. Rom 1:20,21.
    Grace is this. It is that we all were “by nature children of wrath” Eph 2:3, all of us being in Adam are under the condemnation of God, “For as in Adam all die,…”1 Cor 15:22.
    Grace then is the giving of a pardon when we should be judged. That is the Gospel!
    Paying someone’s parking meter is not an act of grace, it is an act of kindness, but anyone can do that! Grace is forgiving when everything else in you calls for revenge, retribution, justice, Col 3:13.
    The receiving of God’s grace should compel us to act in the same manner, but to say that we should never talk about hell and the consequences of rejecting God is not gracious, it is deceptive, it not being fully honest. Christ dying on the cross was not so that we would pay people’s parking meters but to save us from the justice of God. Rom 5:10
    I agree if the coming to Christ is genuine and you claim a salvation experience there should be fruit giving evidence to it, and again let us not forget that even the fruit is an act of grace for it is God working in you both to will and to do his good pleasure. Phil 2:13.
    I agree Christians should be more gracious but the demonstration of it is not just acts of kindness, as I said anyone can do that. Christians show grace as per what Paul says in 1 Cor 4:12,13 “…When reviled, we bless; when persecuted, we endure; when slandered, we entreat…” or further explained by Peter in 1 Peter 2:18-25.
    The Gospel is not and either/or presentation, it is a both/and. What we need when presenting the gospel is the wisdom on how we approach the individual to have an opportunity to tell them about the grace of God. An act of kindness may be the means but it is not the only way, the thief on the cross needed to know his destiny there and then, to tell him I helped old ladies across the street as acts of kindness to try and win him over would be missing the point of his question.
    And I would only say this, let’s look at America now compared to what he said it was like when he was a young lad. I am not saying for a moment that we then just preach fire and brimstone, but the society he lived in was not as chaotic and degraded as it is now since Churches have abandoned the preaching of fire and brimstone.

  • @allygail424
    @allygail424 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The only crisis of grace that is happening in the American church is that they think it gives them a license to do whatever they want without consequences.

    • @simonskinner1450
      @simonskinner1450 ปีที่แล้ว

      That is due to 'Christianity' believing grace is undeserved, and some now believe they must sin to allow Jesus to save them, as we cannot save ourselves.
      Only Christianity defines grace as undeserved but the NT does not, it is a myth and my #1 Ytube video 'Myths in so-called Christianity' proves grace v sin.

  • @jonnewman21
    @jonnewman21 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Luke 1
    New International Version
    Introduction
    1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[a] among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.
    The Birth of John the Baptist Foretold
    5 In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron. 6 Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commands and decrees blamelessly. 7 But they were childless because Elizabeth was not able to conceive, and they were both very old.
    8 Once when Zechariah’s division was on duty and he was serving as priest before God, 9 he was chosen by lot, according to the custom of the priesthood, to go into the temple of the Lord and burn incense. 10 And when the time for the burning of incense came, all the assembled worshipers were praying outside.
    11 Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right side of the altar of incense. 12 When Zechariah saw him, he was startled and was gripped with fear. 13 But the angel said to him: “Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. 14 He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, 15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born. 16 He will bring back many of the people of Israel to the Lord their God. 17 And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the parents to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous-to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”
    18 Zechariah asked the angel, “How can I be sure of this? I am an old man and my wife is well along in years.”
    19 The angel said to him, “I am Gabriel. I stand in the presence of God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to tell you this good news. 20 And now you will be silent and not able to speak until the day this happens, because you did not believe my words, which will come true at their appointed time.”
    21 Meanwhile, the people were waiting for Zechariah and wondering why he stayed so long in the temple. 22 When he came out, he could not speak to them. They realized he had seen a vision in the temple, for he kept making signs to them but remained unable to speak.
    23 When his time of service was completed, he returned home. 24 After this his wife Elizabeth became pregnant and for five months remained in seclusion. 25 “The Lord has done this for me,” she said. “In these days he has shown his favor and taken away my disgrace among the people.”
    The Birth of Jesus Foretold
    26 In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”
    29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
    34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
    35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called[b] the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month. 37 For no word from God will ever fail.”
    38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.
    Mary Visits Elizabeth
    39 At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea, 40 where she entered Zechariah’s home and greeted Elizabeth. 41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!”
    Mary’s Song
    46 And Mary said:
    “My soul glorifies the Lord
    47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
    48 for he has been mindful
    of the humble state of his servant.
    From now on all generations will call me blessed,
    49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me-
    holy is his name.
    50 His mercy extends to those who fear him,
    from generation to generation.
    51 He has performed mighty deeds with his arm;
    he has scattered those who are proud in their inmost thoughts.
    52 He has brought down rulers from their thrones
    but has lifted up the humble.
    53 He has filled the hungry with good things
    but has sent the rich away empty.
    54 He has helped his servant Israel,
    remembering to be merciful
    55 to Abraham and his descendants forever,
    just as he promised our ancestors.”
    56 Mary stayed with Elizabeth for about three months and then returned home.
    The Birth of John the Baptist
    57 When it was time for Elizabeth to have her baby, she gave birth to a son. 58 Her neighbors and relatives heard that the Lord had shown her great mercy, and they shared her joy.
    59 On the eighth day they came to circumcise the child, and they were going to name him after his father Zechariah, 60 but his mother spoke up and said, “No! He is to be called John.”
    61 They said to her, “There is no one among your relatives who has that name.”
    62 Then they made signs to his father, to find out what he would like to name the child. 63 He asked for a writing tablet, and to everyone’s astonishment he wrote, “His name is John.” 64 Immediately his mouth was opened and his tongue set free, and he began to speak, praising God. 65 All the neighbors were filled with awe, and throughout the hill country of Judea people were talking about all these things. 66 Everyone who heard this wondered about it, asking, “What then is this child going to be?” For the Lord’s hand was with him.
    Zechariah’s Song
    67 His father Zechariah was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied:
    68 “Praise be to the Lord, the God of Israel,
    because he has come to his people and redeemed them.
    69 He has raised up a horn[c] of salvation for us
    in the house of his servant David
    70 (as he said through his holy prophets of long ago),
    71 salvation from our enemies
    and from the hand of all who hate us-
    72 to show mercy to our ancestors
    and to remember his holy covenant,
    73 the oath he swore to our father Abraham:
    74 to rescue us from the hand of our enemies,
    and to enable us to serve him without fear
    75 in holiness and righteousness before him all our days.
    76 And you, my child, will be called a prophet of the Most High;
    for you will go on before the Lord to prepare the way for him,
    77 to give his people the knowledge of salvation
    through the forgiveness of their sins,
    78 because of the tender mercy of our God,
    by which the rising sun will come to us from heaven
    79 to shine on those living in darkness
    and in the shadow of death,
    to guide our feet into the path of peace.”
    80 And the child grew and became strong in spirit[d]; and he lived in the wilderness until he appeared publicly to Israel.
    Footnotes
    Luke 1:1 Or been surely believed
    Luke 1:35 Or So the child to be born will be called holy,
    Luke 1:69 Horn here symbolizes a strong king.
    Luke 1:80 Or in the Spirit

  • @newtonbrook
    @newtonbrook ปีที่แล้ว

    I read the original book years ago and was blessed. I remember the Bill Clinton's Lewinsky intern issue, the left defended it in spite of its hypocrisy with feminism. The media gave Clinton a pass. I think it paved the way for all politicians (Example Trump) to be given a pass on these issues. So in a indirect way Clinton and the liberal media gave Evangelicals a reason to give grace to Trump on moral issues.

    • @juliachildress2943
      @juliachildress2943 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      But certainly Clinton was castigated by politicians who kept his sins in the news, which flies in the face of a claim that the media gave him a pass. Considering that there was such cultural amnesia regarding the gross indiscretions of Kennedy and FDR, a case could be made that Clinton was unfairly publicly flagellated. Especially considering that one of his chief accusers, Newt Gingrich, was carrying on an affair of his own and in the process of divorcing his wife during her cancer battle. I'm no Clinton apologist and am still disgusted by his lack of judgment and disrespect for his office. But to blame Clinton for our current blind eye to Trump when we have decade upon decade of sexual misconduct among our elected officials is not helpful.

    • @newtonbrook
      @newtonbrook 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@juliachildress2943 Bob Dole had 10X the character Bill Clinton had. John McCain the same. It all meant nothing. Mitt Romney was ridiculed for being a square, and keeping "binders of woman". Liberals and their allies in the media only got outraged at Trump. Democrats always got a free pass.

  • @simonskinner1450
    @simonskinner1450 ปีที่แล้ว

    Christianity misunderstands grace and defines it as undeserved, it is actually a favour returned. Grace for grace in the NT.
    Forgiveness is not a right and cannot be paid for, only by mercy can forgiveness be granted, and only by repentance can mercy be given.
    Repentance deserves grace, and faith counts for repentance, and deserves grace. Grace cannot be undeserved as it requires faith, as whatever is not of faith is sin.
    I have a Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity' for NT truth.