I mean I own both, just received the Clarett a few days ago and it does not perform as well as the Scarlett with low buffers. You get crackling noise and drops earlier (using the same computer)
if you loop the recording back as far as i know it will create more latency on the recording, but not on the audio monitor/headphone. on scarlett 2i4 it has direct monitor function you can activate, it will lower the sound from the computer but you will get the input sound directly with no latency.
Audio Hijack would be better to record audio from an application compared to garageband. Garageband does not allow to set the buffer size in the core audio driver unlike other audio apps such as logic, reaper, or other DAW's. With the ability to lower the buffer size you decrese the latency even with USB audio interfaces that do not include direct monitoring digital mixer software. Garageband increases the latecy based on the system usage and CPU strain with out any input from the user. The clarett's thunderbolt spped is nice but even under a heavy CPU load latency will still be a problem. A small inexpensive mixer would solve this and there is a great srticle from sound on sound about how to monitor and record with 0 latency no matter what the computer buffers the i/o latecy to be I will link that at the end of my post. Great job on the comparison video!! www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug99/articles/zerolatency.htm Also the noise floor of the Shure SM7b is higher than either foucusrite preamps. The SM7b is a great dynamic microphone but I have always felt it's output was very low but sounds great on voices and musical instruments.
so what you're trying to do is to have post tape playback.. thats the thing with digital technology and also the reason why in professional studios they still use analog gear for the most parts.. you can't get latency away, however you can reduce it in your daw substantially by decreasing the buffer size.. with a good cpu you can reduce it far enough so you won't tell a difference as long as you don't overdo it with effects (which make the computer go slower) so its not a problem of the interface that you have.. the old one was just fine for your needs I would say.. just decrease the buffer size and you're good
Man, at around 10:00 you are comparing noise levels. Since You put the notch at 1oclock on Scarlett and 12oclock on Clarett, the noise level might be lover on CLarett thanks to that. Could it be right? Cheers! thanks for the review! PS I think you spent too much time talking about how they look - the audio interfaces are not at all about that, are they?
Well, in fact latency has very little to do with the type of link. It's all about how fast your device and your computer does AD/DA conversion. USB devises are very dependent on your computer's CPU power, yet still if you have a good computer you can get less than 5 milisec of latency on your Scarlett, which is more than enough to monitor your speach via playback. Just set the buffer size in your DAW as low as your CPU can work with. 2nd gen Scarlett can get you as little as 3 milisec of latency on a fancy computer. Clarett is a peice of professional equipment for high quality sound recording. Switching from Scarlett to Clarett only for the sake of lower latency is a waste of money.
I actually thought the Clarett Pres sounded slightly better, clearer not so muddy which was I was more interesting in. To be honestly the latency in the Scarlett is already pretty good. The big difference is quality on the pres and convesion via thunderbolt instead of USB. However the price different is quite a stretch, literally twice more expensive.
Apple changed the thunderbolt on the back of the computers to USB-C and Focusrite changed it on the interface to match them. Now , I'll need a 95.00 adaptor and cable to hook up to my iMac . It just adds more money to the 4 pre
Thats some crazy latency you got with the scarlett 2i4 , i doubt it was the interface itself tho. i had an itrack solo and latency wasn't near as bad as the one you had for your scarlett 2i4. pretty sure it was your mac and garageband.
Can you dumb it down for me, I can't tell if the latency in this demo is from the 2pre and hence it isn't a great improvement, or you had some latency issues creating the video unrelated to the audio interfaces?
I currently use a Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 for my interface. How much noticable would sound quality be if i were to upgrade to the Clarett 2Pre ?? (Bare in mind I will be recording guitars & bass directly through the interface, no mics)
Hi, sorry, I can't comment on the NI Komplete since I don't have any experience with it. I'm very happy with the clean noise free sound of the Clarett 2 pre. From what I've seen with other videos, cables make a great improvement too. Check out the mogami links in my description.
I heard that too from a few people. I have a Toshiba with Windows 10 (I upgraded from Windows 8) and I dont have any issues at least with my 2i4 2nd gen. I got it a week ago.
For those still interested in this question, I got the second gen 2i4 this week and used the latest drivers under both Windows 7 and Windows 10 (both 64 bit.) I've had no driver or latency issues whatsoever.
I want to start a podcast and will most likely use the Shure SM7B microphone. Is there any way I could wire my iPhone to the Scarlet? I want to pick up/communicate with listeners on Skype while on air, so I was hoping I could just wire the AUX from my phone to get the conversation on air. Anyway to do that?
There's a few TH-cam videos that show this, so I didn't want to push the Focusrite preamps. That's why I got the Cloudlifter. With the CL, my knob is set to 8.5 so that the Clarett flashes green if that helps put things in perspective.
What generation Scarlett 2i4 do you have? That will make the difference because the Drivers are revised and the Latency is greatly improved for lower latency?
how did you get your cloud lifter to work with the clarette 2 pre????? my cloud lifter seriously only drops the gain of the SM7B by 40+ decibels...... -_-
What does "Air" do? I have an SM7B on Tube Pre>CL1>scarlett 2i2. I'm looking to upgrade and want something that doesn't need the tube pre and the cloud lifter. Does it not have enough gain without the CL?
Hi Eric, there are a few videos that cover the difference with Air (i'm not a musician, so I didn't really look into that feature). SM7B definitely needs some clean gain based on all the other videos I watched.
Great video! maybe you can help me. At around 7:45 I hear no audible latency when you monitor your voice with reverb.? I use Cubase 8, an 8gb iMac and a Clarett 2Pre, yet I always have latency, regardless of buffers size. Any tips?
Hi Chale, I have learned that there will always be some latency with the virtual mixer (loopback audio) and some additional with MimoLive Streamer (think OBS). In Garageband I don't really notice any latency with reverb, however I'm not aware of any buffer settings. I don't have Cubase 8, so have you tested that setup with Garageband?
Thank you for your reply Gary. I will give Garage band a try and let you know how it goes. PS: May you explain a bit more about the set up / signal chain of both Audio 1 and 2 in this video? i.e from mic to recorded input? Thanks man really appreciate your support.
Geochange Scientific Research Inc high quality preamps require more power than what USB ports can deliver . Definitely not a deal breaker for me as I look for the best possible audio quality
2i4: Who are you?
2Pre: I'm you. But Stronger.
PreschoolFightClub LMFAO!
And the Scalett replies yea but I’m more agile
I mean I own both, just received the Clarett a few days ago and it does not perform as well as the Scarlett with low buffers. You get crackling noise and drops earlier (using the same computer)
What's more good with instrument in for hi gain modern dist?
Alessandro Bonci on Mac or PC?
You have to put a lower buffer size, like 128 or 256, your problem with latency is not the interface is your buffer size :)
I've switched to a Rodecaster Pro 2
Use the Focusrite Control program to listen directly from the preamp instead from your computer. You won't have the latency.
if you loop the recording back as far as i know it will create more latency on the recording, but not on the audio monitor/headphone. on scarlett 2i4 it has direct monitor function you can activate, it will lower the sound from the computer but you will get the input sound directly with no latency.
Audio Hijack would be better to record audio from an application compared to garageband. Garageband does not allow to set the buffer size in the core audio driver unlike other audio apps such as logic, reaper, or other DAW's. With the ability to lower the buffer size you decrese the latency even with USB audio interfaces that do not include direct monitoring digital mixer software. Garageband increases the latecy based on the system usage and CPU strain with out any input from the user. The clarett's thunderbolt spped is nice but even under a heavy CPU load latency will still be a problem. A small inexpensive mixer would solve this and there is a great srticle from sound on sound about how to monitor and record with 0 latency no matter what the computer buffers the i/o latecy to be I will link that at the end of my post. Great job on the comparison video!! www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug99/articles/zerolatency.htm Also the noise floor of the Shure SM7b is higher than either foucusrite preamps. The SM7b is a great dynamic microphone but I have always felt it's output was very low but sounds great on voices and musical instruments.
Your keyboard makes me cry
I know, it's ugly as hell, but nothing beats typing on a buckling spring Unicomp (IBM) keyboard. ;-)
Those are the most comfortable keyboards I have ever used Makes you feel like an IT professor
Hah, I'm an IT professor. I should get one then :) Actually, I have a pretty noisy one right now :)
it looks like a very good keyboard. The keyboards that looks most fancy is the most crappy to type on.
@@GaryCruz My 2008 Microsoft keyboard will rest for....FOREVER! It'll never be needed to replace.
actually they show very few msec latency
you actually need to enable advanced tools
so what you're trying to do is to have post tape playback.. thats the thing with digital technology and also the reason why in professional studios they still use analog gear for the most parts.. you can't get latency away, however you can reduce it in your daw substantially by decreasing the buffer size.. with a good cpu you can reduce it far enough so you won't tell a difference as long as you don't overdo it with effects (which make the computer go slower) so its not a problem of the interface that you have.. the old one was just fine for your needs I would say.. just decrease the buffer size and you're good
Latency? I was using a Focusrite Saffire 6 USB 1.1 and had no latency. I have to believe his ASIO settings just need to be tweaked.
The noise floor of both interfaces will both be lower than ambient noise. So you can't have mikes connected to it to test the noise.
I use a Rodecaster Pro 2 now.
Man, at around 10:00 you are comparing noise levels. Since You put the notch at 1oclock on Scarlett and 12oclock on Clarett, the noise level might be lover on CLarett thanks to that. Could it be right?
Cheers! thanks for the review!
PS I think you spent too much time talking about how they look - the audio interfaces are not at all about that, are they?
Both interfaces has more than acceptable noise floor. The clarett has better pre amp, so it will have a cleaner gain stage.
Yes, agreed. Which one do you have? I'll be posting audio gear on my new tech channel moving forward: th-cam.com/channels/y7F4iJbilFoq4pPo1tEHxQ.html
Well, in fact latency has very little to do with the type of link. It's all about how fast your device and your computer does AD/DA conversion. USB devises are very dependent on your computer's CPU power, yet still if you have a good computer you can get less than 5 milisec of latency on your Scarlett, which is more than enough to monitor your speach via playback. Just set the buffer size in your DAW as low as your CPU can work with.
2nd gen Scarlett can get you as little as 3 milisec of latency on a fancy computer.
Clarett is a peice of professional equipment for high quality sound recording. Switching from Scarlett to Clarett only for the sake of lower latency is a waste of money.
Latency? Focusrite 2i4? Must just be you becuse that’s one of the reasons there so popular ..
Or nooooot.
I use a Rodecaster Pro 2 now.
I actually thought the Clarett Pres sounded slightly better, clearer not so muddy which was I was more interesting in. To be honestly the latency in the Scarlett is already pretty good.
The big difference is quality on the pres and convesion via thunderbolt instead of USB. However the price different is quite a stretch, literally twice more expensive.
I use a Rodecaster Pro 2 now.
IMHO, latency on the Clarett line is good, but the headphone outputs are anemic, and have too high of an output impedance.... Thanks for sharing!
I use a Rodecaster Pro 2 now
Apple changed the thunderbolt on the back of the computers to USB-C and Focusrite changed it on the interface to match them.
Now , I'll need a 95.00 adaptor and cable to hook up to my iMac . It just adds more money to the 4 pre
Once I upgrade my mac, i'll probably switch to an interface with USB-C
@@GaryCruz ... Yes , I just use the USB instead of the Thunderbolt so the Focusrite works good .
I watched about 3 times . and I'm not clear. Is there less latency with the Clarett? Enough to make the jump?
For my use case yes. But for both interfaces, if you are going direct to computer, you'll most likely NOT notice the latency.
Noise floor test is a waste of time without a spectrum vst or something...
And as long as the ambient noise is too high for the test too.
Had no problems with 2i4 can not see reason to upgrade.
this clarret is worth for the price? for professional sound quality
I switched to a Rodecaster Pro 2
Thats some crazy latency you got with the scarlett 2i4 , i doubt it was the interface itself tho. i had an itrack solo and latency wasn't near as bad as the one you had for your scarlett 2i4. pretty sure it was your mac and garageband.
Can you dumb it down for me, I can't tell if the latency in this demo is from the 2pre and hence it isn't a great improvement, or you had some latency issues creating the video unrelated to the audio interfaces?
I currently use a Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 for my interface. How much noticable would sound quality be if i were to upgrade to the Clarett 2Pre ??
(Bare in mind I will be recording guitars & bass directly through the interface, no mics)
Hi, sorry, I can't comment on the NI Komplete since I don't have any experience with it. I'm very happy with the clean noise free sound of the Clarett 2 pre. From what I've seen with other videos, cables make a great improvement too. Check out the mogami links in my description.
So mission not accomplished? Still has latency
Please comment on the pad buttons. I don't see them on the Clarett. Does it pad?
get the 2nd gen... i dont hear this problem in the new ones
BlindSteven92 thanks! Planning on it, but I want to get it for my New PC with Windows 10. Heard there's a lot of driver issues?
I heard that too from a few people. I have a Toshiba with Windows 10 (I upgraded from Windows 8) and I dont have any issues at least with my 2i4 2nd gen. I got it a week ago.
For those still interested in this question, I got the second gen 2i4 this week and used the latest drivers under both Windows 7 and Windows 10 (both 64 bit.) I've had no driver or latency issues whatsoever.
I got the scarlett 18i20 2nd gen. No latency or driver issues as well.
I have used the second gen 2i4 on win 10 and have had no problems. Also the latency was great, about 10ms roundtrip at 128 samples
hi gary, does the audient14 have good drivers and latency to use with fl studio?
I want to start a podcast and will most likely use the Shure SM7B microphone. Is there any way I could wire my iPhone to the Scarlet? I want to pick up/communicate with listeners on Skype while on air, so I was hoping I could just wire the AUX from my phone to get the conversation on air. Anyway to do that?
Matt Retro why not Skype from your desktop? That would be easier to route that audio.
Gary Cruz That could work too! How would I do that tho?
th-cam.com/video/DyR_NYXsKyA/w-d-xo.html
How was the SM7B w/o the Cloudlifter?
There's a few TH-cam videos that show this, so I didn't want to push the Focusrite preamps. That's why I got the Cloudlifter. With the CL, my knob is set to 8.5 so that the Clarett flashes green if that helps put things in perspective.
What generation Scarlett 2i4 do you have? That will make the difference because the Drivers are revised and the Latency is greatly improved for lower latency?
It's the 1st gen. I'm sure latency is improved with the 2nd version, but Thunderbolt is still much faster.
Is the conversion as good on the 2nd gen Scarlett? Preamp close in quality? Thanks in advance!
Hi Gary, you can use a mini displayport cable for the thunderbolt connection? Thank you!
Hi Marcel, on Macs, it is plug and play. I'm not sure for PC. Maybe someone can comment here.
how did you get your cloud lifter to work with the clarette 2 pre????? my cloud lifter seriously only drops the gain of the SM7B by 40+ decibels...... -_-
Did you turn on the 48V on the Clarett?
Thanks Garry you said me some money;)
which has the best sound, scarlett or clarett?
I use a Rodecaster Pro 2 now
What does "Air" do?
I have an SM7B on Tube Pre>CL1>scarlett 2i2. I'm looking to upgrade and want something that doesn't need the tube pre and the cloud lifter. Does it not have enough gain without the CL?
Hi Eric, there are a few videos that cover the difference with Air (i'm not a musician, so I didn't really look into that feature). SM7B definitely needs some clean gain based on all the other videos I watched.
Why do you use that keyboard?
Nostalgic reasons and it's built like a Tank. Look up IBM Model M Keyboard.
Haha, yes, it all its CLICKITY CLACKTY goodness!
hey im just curious, did you buy these interfaces for review or did you get them for the purpose of reviwing for free?
I bought them for use. But when I bought them, I didn't find any reviews comparing them so I made this video. Hope it helped.
thanks. actually i was just wondering now that you have the clarett would you be interested in selling the scarlett?
Hi James, Great timing, I was about to post it on Craigslist. Send me an email garycruz at yahoo.
Great video! maybe you can help me. At around 7:45 I hear no audible latency when you monitor your voice with reverb.? I use Cubase 8, an 8gb iMac and a Clarett 2Pre, yet I always have latency, regardless of buffers size. Any tips?
Hi Chale, I have learned that there will always be some latency with the virtual mixer (loopback audio) and some additional with MimoLive Streamer (think OBS). In Garageband I don't really notice any latency with reverb, however I'm not aware of any buffer settings. I don't have Cubase 8, so have you tested that setup with Garageband?
Thank you for your reply Gary. I will give Garage band a try and let you know how it goes. PS: May you explain a bit more about the set up / signal chain of both Audio 1 and 2 in this video? i.e from mic to recorded input? Thanks man really appreciate your support.
Have you tried OBS to use as streaming software?
Yes, on the PC
Not bus powered?
Thundbolt can handle it - deal breaker.
Geochange Scientific Research Inc high quality preamps require more power than what USB ports can deliver . Definitely not a deal breaker for me as I look for the best possible audio quality
8:50 9:40
i heard him talking about gaming....but i c a mac behind ur head!!!!
Halo man see my website www.garycruz.com ;-)
Scarlett audio interfaces are of poor sound quality. Very disappointing company.
I use a Rodecaster Pro 2 now