I'M CONCERNED: Mixing Space Hulk With Kill Team?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- I'm a big Space Hulk fan, and Thursday's news about the new Kill Team box seemingly taking place on a space hulk and including a C.A.T. has me concerned for a future version of Space Hulk.
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Space Hulks don’t necessarily have to be populated with genestealers. They could be inhabited by all sorts of stuff.
Also the 1st edition of Space Hulk had rules for Genestealer hybrids, and rules for space marines on power armour were published in White Dwarf.
Space hulks exist, as a thing in 40k in general. I don't think this'll be much more than a nod to Space Hulk, and just Kill Team as it's been lately.
which would be cool. a space hulk/zone mortalis type setting with confined corridors would make for a fun kill team setting. I can't imagine a situation where the guard enter a space hulk on their own though. elite kasrkin or not - the astartes are who they call to lead the way because anything could be inside and none of it is good.
@@NapGod
While it doesn't make sense from a survival odds perspective, you can't deny that the Aliens vibe of
regular humans sounds entertaining.
@@juanndelp9649 oh yeah! I didn't think about that and now I like the idea more. "GAME OVER MAAAAN!"
I agree, it's probably just a new set of close quarters rules for kill team 2.0, since they haven't done that yet.
fun trivia, back in the days of Citadel Journal (late 90s-early 00s) there were rules for using Imperial Guard in Space Hulk. They automatically died when a Genestealer attacked them but iirc they could move faster than Terminators, didn't block LoS for each other, and could do fun things like set up weapons teams at intersections.
Also hot take: Deathwatch Overkill is a better version of Space Hulk (and I say that as a fan of Space Hulk); would love to see a new boxed game that uses the Overkill ruleset.
That's very interesting! I'm a huge Space Hulk fan, I also bought 2 copies of Deathwatch: Overkill to fill out my Genestealer Cult, but I never played the game! I'll have to give it a go now.
@@robwallace6787 haha I also bought Overkill because I was super excited about the new GSC models! The game is pretty good imo. Has a slightly different feel to it than Space Hulk (the Deathwatch Marines are all unique characters and aren't made of paper!) but I think it's better as the difficulty curve isn't as brutal and it's a lot faster to set up/teardown, plus the GSC player had stuff to do besides "rush into melee"
My first thought was that there could be a new "Kill Team" of either an inquisitorial retinue or a rogue trader crew, bundled with a bunch of rules/missions themed around exploring a space hulk, with tiles like the new Dungeon Bowl box, with a smattering of plastic scatter terrain like consoles and ammo crates. Oh, and a bunch of xenos or heretics or something as well, I suppose, maybe with an upgrade sprue for those, based on GW's recent trends.
As for Kill Team as Space Hulk, I bought a game called Space Crusade back in the day and it was what lead me to buy the 2nd Ed 40K box set, "for the kids". The thing was, it used four cardboard tiles that could be set up any way you wanted to. They were 12" x 12" and fit the standard base size of the day for Marines. That would not need the more space hungry corridor tiles of the official GW versions of Space Hulk and would conform more closely to the Kill Team format.
Sounds like a space hulk setting for Kill Team. They'll add a C.A.T. and maybe have a set of terrain like Zone Mortalis, and missions reflecting a space hulk environment. *shrug*
My first reaction to that kill team / space hulk teaser was that the recent squat teaser trailer also involved looking through a space hulk. So I envision that the next two-team box set will be squats and somebody else, maybe tyranids? With the terrain being more space hulk-like, corridors etc, same 22x30 play space...
Space Hulk as we knew it will still be ignored. Leaving money on the table...
Of course I still have two copies of the 3rd edition. Sold off the terminators to a friend running blood angels and incorporated the tyranids into the army on building now. I use the corridors and doors for my own DIY games.
@Tabletop Minions: You have a point about how deadly Space Hulks are and in theory you are right that you should only sent your best equipped troops into it. But think again from the 40K view of things - equipment is much more expansive and precious then a life there! Especially when it comes to more or less irreplaceable things like a terminator armour. So sending in some expandables is more likely - especially when your enemy can tear apart your terminator armour like paper (genestealer claws in Space Hulk).
But I share your bad feeling about burning the good name of Space hulk.
You had me at “there’s a picture of a CAT, not an actual meow you know” xD
The other thing about Space Crusade was that different missions focussed not just on Nids. You had the pre-cursor to Necrons, Chaos Marines with a cool Dread' model. Orks and gretchin and multiple SM teams with variable load out for weapons. It also had random event cards and was quite the fun game. So I would not see that GW would need to restrict this Kill Team to just Nids. It was released under license by the Hamlyn group.
With all the Kill Team boxes there has been great scenery. Even new scenery.
Could it be that we'll get space hulk corridors? That's at least something to get excited about.
I don’t know wht this is/will be. Not the biggest fan of kill team(1st or 2nd ed for lack of better description). But I hope ppl can/will enjoy it whatever it is.
I have the 2009/2014 set and actually had the original WAY back. It is awesome. I have long wanted to develope a quasi-RPG with terminator models of factions in addition to the Blood Angels. Perhaps Zone Mortalis rules would be fun for a Space Hulk crossover.
Atom, I just need to comment how good your audio is, which is definitely noticeable compared to your older content. Audio seems to be something overlooked by other content creators where they favor video over the audio. Kudos!
As for the topic at hand, well... it's GW, so I'll hold a healthy dose of skepticism. Kill Team is the only GW game I play and if this is just an add-on that offers an alternate mode of play then that's fine. Anything more than that? I can't even say. I have never played Space Hulk so I can't comment on that but, again, if this becomes a KT optional add-on that gives another use for my models, especially designed for solo play, then I don't see any harm.
So my two cents on the this go back to the "Squats" announcement which was one of them trying to open a very similar door. I am thinking perhaps this will be like WarCry Catacombs of sorts. I do agree on the box potentially containing Nids.
Maybe this is GW's way of introducing Tyranids, or Genestealer Cult, to Kill Team? Doing a "season" of Kill Team that is a modernized re-playing of Space Hulk, while adding some new factions to the mix?
if anything wouldnt having kill team take place in a hive cities corridors instead of a hulk make more sense?....... that way you maintain the feel of the tight confines.......
"That's how I got to where I am today..." Yes, spoken like a victim of plastic crack. :) I loved Space Crusade. My neighbours did not like Space Crusade, or maybe it was the noise we made while we were playing it.
The base of the C.A.T looks more like the ground as the new Cadian Kasrkins that were leaked and later revealed by GW fighting Genestealers. I've watched someone talked about it recently as he was epxlaining what he thought about the new Kill Team game. We'll have to see on the Summer Skirmish Preview.
My guess is since they are phasing out first born Astartes in 40K they plan on making the equivalent game in Kill Team. Since they can charge more money that way since it would cost a butt ton of money to get something similar in modern day minis terrain etc
I was skeptical about kill team at first but I'm a big fan of it now. I think you should give it a try again, give it a chance. For a competitive perspective I think the new version is far better than the previous which was super swingy.
Its the squats! Its all about the squats! Remember their new reveal trailer, same door, atmosphere and its about a robot companion, right up with squats!
This was really interesting and enjoyable video, I’ve yet to play spacehulk,but keen to buy it……..if they ever release it again😂
I wouldn't be surprised if Kill Team space hulks fits into a Warhammer Underworlds style slot
would really like to see you do a space hulk playthrough!
Well, I’ll need to paint it first. Soon! Thanks for watching?
Why ya concerned? This is the coolest mix. Plus you can just play space hulk with this 3D terrain. You can get 2 game systems or more out of this box.
Am I missing something? Perhaps I am out of the loop as I don't play Kill Team but I thought a Space Hulk was just a generic term for titanic ships. That makes me think it is just a setting? I don't know, just thought I'd throw that out there.
Might this be repeat of roughly 3 years life cycle of GW boxed game. Arena, Commanders, Elites, cashgrab, grave, new game, loop :-P
I am painting my space hulk too…so cool
When Uncle Atom give the all clear for Kill Team I'm in. Until then it's WarCry for me.
Space Crusade is also set on a space hulk.
I think there needs to be a clarification based on your previous videos and arguments, a new version does not remove the legitimacy of the older version. That said I don’t think they are rebranding Spacehulk as KT only. Only the theme. Honestly KT2 is REALLY good, and would fit well for inside combat of space hulk. As a KT player in love with the game who has PN and Arena boards, we NEED inside CC rules for this version.
Every time Space Hulk came out I was poor. Would be grand if I could finally get a copy. I do like blood angels. I do like terminators. Would be nice is all I say.
What if a new Space Hulk is coming, ala Underworlds? Play the Space Hulk game, use the heroes in your Kill Team games? Seems like that integration is selling alot of Underworlds to the Warcry only players..
Whatever happens, I am just tired of all the lost content/expansions they never released for Space Hulk. Deathwing, Genestealer, Campaign book, all those great magazine articles….
I'm hoping it's space hulk relqted and that GW releases some NEW terminators along with it!
I don't see the issue with Kill Team in a space hulk. We've seen the Guard, Orks, Chaos marines storm space hulks. It's just a nice place to hunt for booty...
And will play A LOT differently if it's actually a space hulk and not a bunch of space junk to dump on the board. Long winding corridors, vents, etc.
The issue is the gameplay.
@@s2korpionic why? necromunda players have been playing on zone mortalis boards for years, and that game is 300x more complicated to play than kill team 2021 is and works fine on a 2d plane.
Hate to say it - but if we’re gonna talk about leaving money on the table - we should talk about Mordhiem….🤷🏻♂️
It will probably be more Space Crusade than Space Hulk. Space Crusade was also set on ‘space hulks’. So Space Crusade with Kill Team rules. I’m in! Bring on the Chaos Androids!
*Plays card: Mech Assault*
Absolutely! Would be so stoked if that's the route they went
That will be Awesome
agree! Space Crusade is what started me in the hobby in the first place.
and if it is it would probably have as much in common with space crusade as warhammer quest and warhammer quest silver tower do 🤣........ though if it was that would be cool
I believe this is how GW is going to introduce the Squats, I mean "The Leagues of Votann" into Kill Team.
personally I was thinking Space Marines vs Tyranids with a Terminators vs Purestrain Genestealers box (I know we just had Space Marines but then we got Chaos twice in a row with chosen then blooded so Primaris followed by Firstborn Terminators doesn't seem too out there). honestly I couldn't care less about whatever the Imperium/good guy side is (and since one of the models is an imperium robot I'm feeling pretty certain that at least one side will be an Imperium faction) as long as the other side is Genestealers.
It's going to be Inquisition vs Genestealers
I think there's a fair chance. Don't forget, the teaser video for the Squats was going through the corridors of a space hulk then encountering one.
But they showed off a CAT, which is both not advanced enough and too Imperium to be Votann gear, they'd be using something that looks more like a Tau drone than an edgy version of a Mars rover. Tyranids are basically guaranteed to be one half ( _maybe_ Chaos Daemons as the only other monster faction) and the other is almost certainly Imperium-aligned to be bringing a CAT with them.
Unless GW thinks short people are as grotesque and monstrous as genestealers then sure, maybe
@@elGordo1888 not quite. The Votann was boarding a drifting ship where both Imperials (we really only see lasguns) and Tyranids were already dead. So perhaps they'll be the factions in the big box, with Votann being a follow up release.
just to say as someone who is a big lover of the fluff of 40k, the reason SPACE MARINE chapters send in the terminators is because No.1 they're the most durable unit of infantry they have but also because only the first company, the veterans, the best of the best can use terminator armour. they're the most prepared for whatever is lurking in the darkness.
however not every imperial navy unit or imperial guard force will have elite space marines on hand to go and check out a space hulk, and therefore that responsibility would fall to the imperial guard. and lets be honest, the imperium isnt shy about throwing lives away.
They are mentioning a Space Hulk as a setting so I would not jump the gun, YET!
Will observe this with Inquisitorial scrutiny though.
I've just assumed it will be a Kill Team box set in a space hulk, similar to Rogue Trader or Pariah Nexus.
I think this is just Kill Team aboard a space hulk, which could be pretty fun and thematic in my opinion. I don't think this will have anything to do with Space Hulk the game, so hopefully that won't stop them from reprinting it. You are right though, not having Space Hulk in print seems like leaving money on the table - especially with their current model - they could put out all kinds of expansions for it (Want to play as CSM? How about Scions? How about add some GSC allies to the Stealers, etc.).
Both need to @GW product teams with this idea and also hide it from them so I can afford to eat over the next years
Sure sounds like a close-confines expansion (Rogue Trader, Pariah Nexus) for KT21... Sadly I haven't thought a new Space Hulk edition was ever on the cards, so that's not really a surprise, even if a pity.
I take the point on the 'lore' of space hulks within, well, Space Hulk, but two words: Space Crusade...
The C.A.T has the same basing scheme as the preview model for the Kasrkin that was shown. Also, it's been pointed out that the C.A.T seems to have an Inquisitorial symbol in its structure, so an Inquisitor and retinue perhaps? But that's just one team - whether the other team will be Genestealers or not, we'll see. There could be other types of baddies lurking on a space hulk, I guess.
Yeah, Orks commonly live in space hulks too
It’s not an inquisition symbol, it’s administorum or something like that.
I dont want it to be karsikin. I don't think we need yet another guard team as a release for kill team. Make it squats BABY!
@@ricoreyna3781 The Kasrkin are going to be a kill team sooner or later
Kasrkin v Squats? referencing the teaser trailer, perhaps? Would be logical as the other upcoming line release.
I think you're over thinking it. The Squat teaser video was set in a space hulk. Space hulks are a thing in the lore. Remember the previous Kill Team expansion, Rogue Trader? It will be something like that. Close quarters fighting. It won't replace Space Hulk.
Space Hulk will need to change i think, now that Primaris are a thing.
I don't necessarily think it has to change, just GW being lazy again and slotting something into another because reasons. Guard will be shredded in a space hulk lol.
Kill Team box of Squats vs Genestealers. The video that introduced Squats looked to be set on a space hulk. They're fitting Squats into Necromuna, so it makes sense they would push them in Kill Team.
I think this is more likely than it having anything to do with Space Hulk the game
Going to a WWE PPV show in September and I'm 50/50 on whether I'm going to take a "REPRINT SPACE HULK" sign with me. Its been too long!
I would love to see another Space Hulk release. I own every copy since the first edition and I am with you; the 2009 release was the best set of terminator models yet. I doubt they will but one can hope.
I'd love a proper Space Hulk release, but man I could only imagine the price tag in a current GW era.
you mean you like keeping money in your pocket...
that's not the average target audience of GW!
$300+
You should see the prices of the existing editions on the second hand market. It's crazy.
I just downloaded the rule book and missions and will make my own board. Gw is way too expensive and arrogant.
Got mine a few years ago when it came out, by sheer luck (a place near my base had one, and I had the money to spare) but I wouldn't recommend it nowadays. Just grab the rules from somewhere (the old editions are still out there, and free) and 3D print some cool minis and token and have a blast over an evening with a friend, or solo with some mods and specific rules.
In the old White Dwarfs were Rules for alternative Factions in SpaceHulks, fighting against each other and the Genestealers.
I’ve wanted a game in tight spaces groups of adventures going to a forbidden place to scrap over ancient technology and now it’s coming. I believe they will incorporate Blackstone fortress stuff into kill team and this is the best news ever for me.
"$250 for a Games Workshop box? ... Are you kidding me?" Love it when Adam throws shade.
I always love when you take the chance to do some comedic editing. The $250 box bit got me.
You used to be able to buy a car for $250. There's kind of a critical context missing there though...
I agree - having played just as long as you - that Space Hulk is a good game. However, I don't mind the idea of a "space hulk" location for kill team. Sounds fun to me.
Space hulk can be Space Hulk - and should be Space Hulk, with TERMINATORS.. But you can also have cool games where varios factions board "abandoned" ships?
I still want Space Hulk back..
Me too...*Sad Sigh* And even Space Crusade had an expansion to let you play Eldar.
@@MarquisLeary34 A friend had some Space Crusade stuff.. But I never played it - but I did play Tyranid Attack, which I liked! Hard, rarely did I win with the scouts. But it did happen.
@@ja37d-34 Never did play TA proper, but I do remember a large convention game that featured elements of TA and Space Crusade in one massive Hulk assault from various combined Space Marine chapters. Good times.
@@MarquisLeary34 That´s pretty cool. :)
Tyranid Attack was very simple rules but still fun.
Kill 4/6 organs iirc.. Some fun happenings.. iirc you could melta bomb the Carnix.. Which was handy as it was a bit tough to kill otherwise. A buddy bought it when we started 2nd Ed 40k armies and he chose Tyranids, great starter for him!
Not ONE of the Greatest - THE greatest!! - definitely interested in the upcoming KILL TEAM?Space Hulk crossover(?)
Doesn't have to be Genestealers... Space hulks have been know to be Ork invested or it could be the first time we get the new Chaos mutants or cultists.
Was very strange that the new models didn't drop with the codex, unless it was the old supply issues problem. I'm guessing that GW put all of their mini production resources behind Horus Heresy.
we've already had an Ork Kill Team and we just had 2 Chaos Kill Teams in a row (Chosen then Blooded) so I'm very doubtful we'll get a 3rd this year. honestly I'd put my money on Terminators or Squats vs Genestealers.
I think it's going to be Kill Team inside a 'space hulk'. Genstealers vs Blood Angels. If they want to go real throwback, they could go Dark Angels Deathwing vs Genestealers. If they want to go SUPER authentic throwback they could go Dark Angels Deathwing with a Native American theme with AWESOME new models vs Genestealers.
Space Hulk was/is amazing. Of course it's totally inspired by Aliens and better for it. I've always found it tragic that Richard Halliwell (it's sole designer) never really got enough credit for his contributions to Warhammer as a whole, since he eventually left GW to do other things. Rick Priestly is often regarded as the godfather of Warhammer, but Rich and Rick were school friends, they developed their own games together as kids and I believe it was Rich that wrote the first draft of the rules that later became Warhammer, Rick et al continued to develop it years after Halliwell had left and he seems to have become a bit of an obscure forgotten figure in later years. Unfortunately I remember reading Rich Halliwell died a few years back (only 62). Considering the guy made one of the best standalone table top wargames (Space Hulk) and the original Warhammer ruleset, I feel he definitely should have been lauded more.
So it's important to note that "Space Hulk" is both a game, and a setting/place/thing in the 40k universe. So in this case I'd say this is an addition/expansion of the game Kill Team but with the setting being a space hulk. No doubt it'll come with some new rules making it a bit "space hulk"ish, like what's around the next corner kind of thing, but it'll be kill team, not the game space hulk. And I suspect it won't be limited to tyranid vs. kill team of choice, but team vs team w/ tyranids being a team option (my guess the box will probably come with some tyranid models). As for the fact that a space hulk is not a suitable place for normal human troops, I suspect they'll just be assuming that the ship/hulk being used just happens to have perfectly working life support for any team that would require it. I'll be curious to see how they do the terrain, tiles like the board game would be kinda weak, so maybe wall segments that you could put together to form corridors and rooms. And to do that right, IMHO, means a lot of plastic, which means this box will probably be pretty pricey.
Agree completely that 1) Space Hulk is a great game for introducing people to the hobby 2) It's a shame, and arguably stupid, that GW doesn't do regular prints of SH to keep it on the shelves, I do so hate they're obsession with LE and 3) This will defiantly not serve as a SH replacement. Do to both complexity and I suspect price. So if GW is thinking that, well, just see statement (2) about GW being stupid.
Thanks for the shout-out, Adam! Yay =D
Uncle Atom: "I wish they would reprint Space Hulk."
**A finger curls on the monkey's paw**
seems like the Rogue Trader kill team box from 1st ed, but with inquistion troops on the hulk. maybe
My assumption is that there will be a KILL TEAM - Space Hulk version that will combine a modular version of WarCy 'Catacombs' style maps + at least a second (or even a third) level of ladders and corridors in order to fit in the Kill Team arena dimensions. I also assume that there will be no LoS between levels as these are supposed to be encased in a Space Hulk.
+ a lot more options for the two miniature teams fighting in the hulk.
Loking Forward for it!
There was a cat in 2nd Ed too. It came in an issue of white dwarf with a few extra tiles
ha... I still need to paint my Space Hulk minis too.
It's definitely going to be something like the Rogue Trader box. MAYBE some space corridors instead of fixed board if we're lucky.
I wish they’d bring back Space Hulk. It’s an awesome game. I bought my first copy in 1999 in a book store for next to nothing. The downside is that it started my plastic crack addiction lol. The 2014 edition is stunning. Why? Why drop it?
I think these company's purposefully stop making high selling sets and games to drive up demand and value on those already out in the wild in the hopes it will reflect and assist in future box set releases. No other excuse makes a lick of sense. Essentially a non-declared FOMO practice.
Thanks for the video.
Here's an alternative perspective instead of being worried: there's no law against repurposing the components. If they release a big Kill Team box with everything you need to play Space Hulk except the 2009 rules, that's great, because new consumers can play Kill Team, or it's easy to go online and find a rulebook from a previous Space Hulk release.
Arena was a great expansion for KTv1. Not only were the rules great, it was also extremely convenient that you could just bring the entire battlefield with you in a box. Much easier than bringing a table's worth of conventional terrain.
A arena-like expansion with modular space hulk tiles for KTv2 would probably cause me to finally pull the trigger on getting involved with KTv2.
I'd bet it'll have rules similar to SH, but it'll likely have wider hallways and larger rooms. The single unit width hallways made the rules simple for Terminators, but it would be really dull match experience for larger factions with 10+ models.
Scenarios will probably be factions fighting for control of artifacts, data, etc. Like, "Escort the CAT to the cogitator."
So "Quartermasters" are mentioned. I wonder if it would be Navy 'Armsmen', per lore, vs Xenos. Already done AM (twice). But they gotta sell SM so.... prepare for painful change to your fav game. Sorry.
Sad that you skipped mentioning the best edition of Space Hulk; 2nd edition!
It was a very refined and no nonsense version, which I think makes it the best. Easy to teach, great mix of missions, and models that are not too busy. I'm in the slow process of fix9ng up an old copy on my TH-cam channel.
It's a bit like mixing Baileys with Coca-Cola I suppose. Looks like I got the last ever edition new print copy of Space Hulk circa 2016 from a shop.
I think they should bring back Mordheim!
What i see is... space hulk tiles, genestealer specific space hulk style rules, space hulk style movement rules for kill team (basicaly space based rather than ruler)... all inside kill teams combat rules.
Which... might not be so bad when I think about it. At this point... another space hulk release (which I would love) might not be necessary if they are trying to get people in to kill team and 40k. Release a box, with some simplified kill team rules, some terminators and some genestealers. As I have avoided all kill team since it's recent version, for a number of reasons... I may actually buy in to that one though.
I kind of like the idea of space hulk with orks, or plague marines... not kill team in a space hulk, but just being able to change out the faction fighting the genestealers... Or as siomeone else mentioned, throw in a little space crusade feel to it as well.
In fact, the more I think of that.. the more I get excited about that idea.
Space hulk was basically a kill team deployment, this seems like the natural next step to me. Especially because you get a generic rule set that all your other teams can jump in.
Maybe yes but the old space hulk game was so much more. It was asimmetrical gameplay and playing as terminators or genestealers was a completely different experience. Not to mention the booklets with all the lore inaide and the world building.
Seems like gw has sorta given up on world building lately and kinda went "meh, if you are willing to pay 200$ you already know the lore"
I dunno, man. The very first Space Hulk edition was my gateway drug into 40k, and what made me loyal to GW at least as far as their stand alone games, 3rd Edition Space Hulk remains IMO their absolute best product, and all the way up to current year when I swore off everything with their name on it. Considering that Space Hulk it'self was basically 40k's tribute to "Aliens", and I now own the whole kit and kaboodle of the official Aliens mini's game, do I really need it?
Oh man, what a pretty timely video. On July 3rd, a burner account on reddit claimed that the 10th edition launch box for 40k will have refreshed Blood Angels and Tyranid models, including new "primaris" terminators and genestealers.
I don't really care one way or the other. I have two versions of Space Hulk. GW not selling it or just peddling it as Kill Team doesn't stop me from playing it. On the other hand, maybe this will bring more attention to the game and they think about a new version. One thing I am undecided on is if I like the quick, simple board game rules of Space Hulk or if I want slightly more complex rules. But the new version of Space Hulk is boring and just 40k, so I'm not sure if going in that direction gains anything.
Atom, I have for a long time (and with great enthusiasm) tuned in to your videos for your great perspective, unfailing positivity, and consistent focus on the hobby side of wargaming and inclusivity. I don't know what has happened in the last few months to affect your outlook, but it ABSOLUTELY seems to me that you have sufficiently soured on all things Games Workshop that your videos have now slid down into being about one-half content and one-half of you... bitching, for lack of a better word. You're absolutely one of my greatest hobby heroes, but this old-man-rant thing that you've been doing more and more is threatening to tune me out altogether. I write all this *because* I love your videos and have no desire to go anywhere, but frankly if I wanted negativity and pessimism there are plenty of other places I could have already been going.
I took grew up on Battletech and Space Hulk. Loved them both. A good way to play a similar, non GW game, is Zombicide:Invader or Star Saga. Both miniature and tile based sifi games very.
I think only connection to the Space Hulk game would be the setting and Nids. The video actually shows painted terrain, not animation, and it's the zone Mortalis door. Therefore I'm thinking this is more kill team meets Necromunda and the factions are Nids vs Kaskin (+ Inquisitor).
I have to say, I think this is a case of your bias towards Space Hulk and against Kill Team creating a set of concerns that aren't really that problematic. Space hulks are a setting that exists within the 40k universe in general, not just within the game Space Hulk. Saying that space hulks can only be a setting for Terminators and Genestealers in a Space Hulk game is sort of like saying that only Space Marines can fight Orks in a 40k game. It's really closed minded and shuts down the opportunity to explore settings and spaces within the universe in new and exciting ways.
In short, I think this is an over-reaction. Kill Team and Space Hulk can both nod to each other while co-existing within the same game space (being entry level games).
Aliens: Another Glorious Day In the Corps is a great modern take on a Space Hulk-ish skirmish game. It's out of print, put there are plenty copies of the base and expansions around, which I recommend buying all 3 parts at once.
Could it be the introduction of Elites into the current version of Kill Team? .. So you have a reason to use your Terminators..AFAIK official elite rules don't exist for Kill Team 2021?
..... do i smell a new rogue trader team?
doesn't have to be Genestealers...don't Orks use Space Hulks to get around too? and I'm sure plenty are infested with all sorts of warp spawned horrors. Any and all technological or religious doodads would be a fine objective for an Imperial, Tau or Chaos forces, and Eldar may have to go on to one to close a breach in the webway or whatever.
Eh, I'll be getting it for the minis and scenery anyway. Grimdark Future Firefight works well in confined spaces...
Well, if it were a sort of close quarter like arena but with more space hulky rules (stuff like breaking down doors and that jazz) AND with terminators vs geneastealers I would definately consider it, at least.
For my 2 cents, I think they are going to release a "space hulk setting" much like Pariah Nexus. A bunch of corridor and room boards with some doo-dads to make it shinier & more appealing to people.
SWEET .. Make Space Hulk Great Again ... Hehe .. Space Hulk/Space Crusade Maybe? ✌️💚
Speaking as someone who only cares about the Blood Angel Terminators and the dead guy in the chair from the entire Space Hulk box, but sees how much they cost on Ebay I am more than down with a Kill Team box with those Terminators in it.
This is probably just a kill team box, with new genestealer sculpts and (hopefully) blood angels assault terminators with an upgrade sprue with shooty arms. Maybe some space hulk style rules and terrain
A friend of mine and I are running an ongoing casual narrative campaign. We have been planning on incorporating Kill Team to the campaign for variety and immersion. We have been trying to figure out how to create a scene that takes our campaign into a boarding action on a ship. My hope is this new installment of Kill Team will work into our scheme. We shall see. Could be fun.
If both parties will have access to ranged weapons in a space hulk the gameplay will suck as the corridors are too narrow. Models will be in the way of LOS of other models and it will be a total mess unless GW have put in the effort and devised new space hulk tiles which as we all know won´t be the case.
Totally agree with you. I think as its branded under kill team just being a space hulk themed battle field seem right. They may introduce elements like blips in the way the genestealer cults deploy in 40k. Blips being very space hulk thematic. Kill team may be a mix of stealers and hybrids as in the classic space hulk expansion. Its possible this could pave the way to reintroduce space hulk proper further down the line especially now they have the hybrids and GSC to mix things up a bit. Personally I would have preferred if they had gone down the route of advanced space crusade.... kill team location in a tyranid vessel to take out vital organs??? Still love space hulk in its pure form. Sorry for the ramble! Love the videos though keep up the great work.
Boarding a Tyranid vessel is something I’d love GW to explore again. I guess the only problem is a Tyranid vessel is going to be Tyranids vs X so GW might not consider it a versatile enough setting. A Space Hulk on the other hand could have anything on it and anyone could board it. But I agree a Tyranid vessel would be so cool! Really I should just make my own Tyranid vessel Kill Team board!
Maybe GW is just testing the waters to see if there is more interest for a new Space Hulk? Or perhaps it's just to get Space Hulk back in the public consciousness?