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Anyone that ever wore boots for outdoor use knows how important the gusset is. Just as Thursday’s improved the Captain boot by adding the rough out to the inner heal cup to reduce heel slip, I’m sure they will improve the Explorer in a few yrs. As it is now, it’s just a mild weather boot not ready for the field. Great honest review.
Well Bootspy did take them out camping in the rain and you see him stand in water in his vid and he says they are tight. Still weird theirs no gussets.
Damn bro that’s a huuuuuge find for the rest of us man. Ty. They look good enough to take ‘em to the cobbler and maybe getting some added depending on how much they would want to charge, but I do agree that they should come with them out of the box.
Yeah, at this price point for this boot to have no gusset what so ever IMHO is kinda ridiculous. I wouldn’t personally invest anymore money into them. I would just buy some black Timberlands.
I gasped like I was watching a soap opera when you did that no gusset reveal. I had been really close to buying these boots since they seemed to tick all my boxes, but no way can I do a pair of shoes without any gusset at all. Between tongue slip, random debris, and unexpectedly deep puddles, that's a no go. Not to mention I'd been hoping to use them as a spur of the moment sort of light-hike shoe as well. Hopefully they'll add them someday, and in the meantime, back to the drawing board for me.Thanks for making this review!
Thank you, I was just as shocked when I took them out of the packaging for the first time. Mostly because no other review on TH-cam mentioned it. I figured making this review would save a lot of people time and headache. Thanks for watching commenting and subscribing!
You're absolutely right about the tongue. I don't need it fully gusseted but even a little bit would be nice. I'm rarely in extreme weather so it's less about the waterproofing for me, but it would really help with the annoying tongue slip I always get. I also just bought a pair of Titans and boy does the tongue squeak a lot. They don't really seem to put a ton of design thought into the tongue.
Thank you and I agree I thought for sure it was going to be at least over the top of the foot. I was literally shocked to see a BOOT tongue only connected at the toe area.
They look great, and seemed perfect for winter initially, now I know that this is not the case, that's extremely low, pretty much like a sneaker. Thanks for the heads up.
No problem, I was very excited about this boot until I realized the Gusset was non existent! I still can’t believe this shoe is marketed as a hiking shoe! I guess as long as you don’t step in any puddles lol.
Hey, thanks for sharing this video & for your feedback! It sounds like you're a big fan of the gusseted tongue. Just to set expectations, our boots are actually constructed to be everyday casual boots. They are built using water-resistant construction and should keep your feet dry on typical rain and snow days but they are not designed to be waterproof. They are also great for moderate hiking but if you are planning to do a lot of walking in difficult terrain on a regular basis, we would highly recommend a functional hiking boot designed for that purpose. That being said, we do have a few customers who have worn them on more challenging hikes with no issues (even without the gusseted tongue) but our main focus is for every day wear. The Explorer doesn't feature a gusseted tongue at the moment but we'd love for you to check back if we offer that feature in the future. If you're interested in a pair of boots with gusseted tongue, we recommend our Commander boots! Feel free to email us at teamthursday@Thursdayboots.com, we'd love to answer any questions you have!
Thank you for responding! Please let me know if/when Thursday Boot Company revises this design to include a gusseted tongue! This would be the ultimate, dare I say Unicorn of boots if it did! For me personally it would check all my boxes for daily use as well as light to moderate adventures! This boot is so close to “perfection”, please add the gusseted tongue!
But your marketing says different, I understand this supposed to be an everyday boot. That being said these boots should have features which are standard that all other boots have.
What a joke they don’t even offer the Commander anymore. If Thursday actually cared about design over style, they would have gusseting. My Captain would have benefited greatly from even 1in of gusseting. The tongues slip from one side to the other. Absolutely annoying. If you want a real boot skip out on buying from Thursday and save your money. There are plenty of American made brands and even brands like Jim Green from South Africa are so much more higher quality. Save $200 more and you can have a pair of boots that will last dozens of years.
Thursday boots are made for style. I have several pairs and love them all. Great review and valid point. Anything deeper than a couple of inches I will use my Jeep :)
Lol I agree, I was unfamiliar with the brand and the plethora of TH-cam reviews I watched about these boots left me with unrealistic expectations I guess.
Ok, I was really shocked when he flipped that tongue all the way out. Never would have guessed that there wouldn't be any gusseting at all. That's just nuts.
Wow, I’m so glad you pointed this out. I had no idea about this, they don’t really show this and there’s no real way to know what to expect. If I had known this was the way it is, I wouldn’t have considered the boot. Hopefully they fix this.
A good cobbler tho could add gusseting Or if you wanna have fun and you know your way around sewing, buy full grain leather on amazon (I'd choose 1.. for this to keep the slim silhouette but 2mm would be way more durable) and you could add the gusseting
Depending on time of year especially! You definitely would not want to wear these to Iceland! You would be much better off with the standard timberland work boot IMHO. Depending on when and where you go in Iceland, I would recommend a proper hiking boot from a well established brand like Salewa, La sportiva, Salomon Arc’teryx etc. I wore Salewa GTX mid boots. Maybe a little overkill but I did not regret it as it was frigid and rainy our entire trip. Good luck and stay safe!
Thanks for the review, I'm going boot crazy right now with all these videos . I forgot about the importance of the gusset, and how a crooked tongue can mess up an otherwise good pair of boots.
Thanks for pointing out the lack of a gusset. I was planning on buying these since I have 2 pairs of Thursdays already but i wanted something that is gusseted.
Looking for a pair of boots that I not only aesthetically like and will allow me to use them for work in all weather conditions, these were up there till you showed up and saw the flaw in them. I work with a lot of water and these unfortunately will no longer work, so thanks for saving me the 300 they would end up costing me and not have them work. Still love them if I ever wanted to just wear a pair of boots but I’ll wait till I can actually spend that type of money for a boot ill only wear once or twice a month
Yeah, unfortunately I wouldn’t use this boot for anything other that leisure activity on dry days. I can’t stand being wet and cold and this boot is not worth the risk for me either.
Looks a lot like those Canadian Mk3 boots or Addison combat boots with a Goodyear welt and vibram lug sole. Pretty retro since nobody makes those designs in a GYW anymore. Except those older boots have a full gusset and steel toes. Those are very comfortable in my experience. I guess the reason why they didn’t fully gusset the boot is because of the tongue can crease and cause a bite point on the ankle bone in my experience.
Yeah you are right. If anything this is more of a winter dress boot rather than an actual, hiking boot. Which sucks because I was just watching a listing of these on ebay. But it doesn't seem worth it now.
To be fair, pretty much all of Thursday's boots are positioned as more light/medium casual wear and not heavy duty work or outdoor boots. With that in mind the lack of a gusset makes more sense as it makes them much easier to put on since the tongue can open more for your foot.
i had a timberland boot like these, the charles street boots. even without the gusseting it was still pretty waterproof even in winter :) i'm assuming thursday also left the gusseting out to cut costs or to make it more breathable (in a paradox sorta way) ??? or to make it easier to put on? idk Thursday does make some questionable choices here n there. Take their logger for example, the heel has a really thin piece of rubber on it that will need to be replaced within a year probably. I read a comment by them on here somewhere and they said there was multiple choices, but the design they use now actually won. I wonder if its the same deal with the explorers -- they could have put gusseting in, but the final design did not have it for some reason. Also another strange thing: the thursday captains can have speed hooks and they are an ankle boot, but the logger with is an 8" boot has no speed hooks. I'm biased cause i don't care for speed hooks but i know a lot of ppl want speed hooks lol did you end up keeping the boots?
No, I retuned them, the boots would not serve my intended purpose. I can’t find any logical reason to leave out the gusset but money. With out it you still have to unlace the boot to get your foot in so yeah idk. Speaking of speed hooks the lacing mechanisms they attached to the top of these boots… I don’t understand them. They have these little wheels inside of them and seem like they might be super failure prone no to mention they aren’t the fastest or simplest lacing system. I don’t hate speed hooks but I don’t love them either. I will say that I’ve had more bad experiences with speed hooks vs good ones. Overall tho if they gusseted this boot it would be 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 the lack thereof is such a missed opportunity to dominate this area of the boot market
That's terrible. i wanted them mostly for looks to go with an outfit i have in mind but was hoping it had actual features for difficult enviroments, i'll still get them probably just for the town, bot for an actual hazardous enviroment piece of footwear i'll have to look somewhere else. Thanks for the review, and congratulations for the baby.
while it could def. use the gusseting, they really ARE more of a style boot. ive taken them hiking the snow and was fine. the MAJOR flaw i had with them is the padded top, its a really thin leather so if you pull the boot on by the padding ( the pull tab is far too small to pull on) it will rip.
I really have to agree with this guy’s review. I think it’s a great looking boot, and I’ve heard a lot of people say a lot of good things about it. But that is a major major flaw gusset is so important to making an outdoor hardware boot. It keeps the elements out of the boot.
Oh wow I would have had no idea that the boot didn't have a gusset. That's such a huge fail for me, I really thought these were going to be my new do everything boots, but no gusset and I simply can't justify buying them. I'm emailing them right now to see if they've added it since this video or if not if it would be possible to have a custom pair made with gusseting. I would have bought their commander boots instead but they don't sell them anymore! such a shame.
Shocked! That’s to me turns me off from getting this boot. I would have thought up to the speed lace eyelets. Damn, kind of a silly oversight for these boots
Wow, I’m no expert and actually bought a pair of explorers a while ago. I’ve used them in heavy rain with no problem and I love the way they look. But now I wish they had what you’re describing in case I wanted to take them out in other situations.
Yeah, I wouldn’t personally take these camping or in the outdoors for any extended period. These would probably be decent for a short day hike in perfect conditions tho.
Great review, and I actually trust you. Seems like a few boot TH-camrs have Thursday up their rears. It’s a nice looking boot, but they’re being compared to Red Wings and Whites and Nicks as equals or better…..no way. I hope the money was worth their credibility.
I appreciate that! All of the reviews on our channels are unsponsored and we pay out of pocket for every item we review. IMHO even a “transparent” sponsored review must be taken with a grain of salt.
Agreed. Wholeheartedly. Army regular since 2001. Bugs me too. They will fix it. I only bought these because they are crazy comfy and I struggle to fit boots. Thursday...fix this. But hey...just think about the breathing and venting properties...Ha!
Wow! Didn’t know about the lack of gusseting in this boot! Because they’re extraordinarily handsome boots! Do you think they’ll start gusseting them? I’m strongly considering purchasing these.
I was about to get these to replace my 24 year old docs (leather has significant cracking), until I saw the gussetting (shocking), and a hard pass for me. Thanks for your review!
Wow. I can't believe a boot marketed like this one is missing such a feature... I've not seen anyone else point this out. I am severely disappointed as I was really itching to buy this boot for a long time, but was always apprehensive because I had doubts it was as functional as I hoped it would be. I really like the skimmed down style, especially given I wear slim clothes, but I can't justify spending a lot of money on something unless it's actually a reliable instrument. I was hoping these could be my every day boot. I think I will email them asking about this is stuff and if they intend to update them to have a higher gusset. And pray they say they intend to haha. Do you know of any other boot brands that are stylish and functional?
Great video. Finally someone is honest about this book and not kissing Thursdays ass. You made me a subscriber. Check out Caswell’s boots and Grant Stone boots, I’d love to hear your opinion on them.
Hey man, thank you very much for that refreshing and honest review. I’ve seen numerous reviews of this company and was looking to buy the Explorer and there was never a mention of how far the gusset goes…not-a-one, until I came across your video. This is a deal breaker for me. I own a pair of the Capitains and went and checked and sure enough it started the same. Those boots get a pass because they are more dressy. Subscribed. Also, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!🫡
My biggest gripe with thursday is that they don't add a gusset into any boot they make. I hate it bc I really like their look and comfort. They even make a horween leather logger boot with no gusset. WHY?
I wasn’t aware all of their products are like that smh. At this price point it really doesn’t make sense. The boot you mentioned is a great looking shoe but for almost $300.00 dollars tho!!!! I need that gusset lol!
@@KRTLyfe yeah I have a pair of their captains. Super comfortable and looks great, but no gusset. The tongue constantly slides off to the side and doesn't stand up straight. They have a PR response explanation on their site to justify their cost cutting measure "A gusseted tongue can marginally deflect water from reaching your foot through the tongue, but in reality, this enhancement is pretty minor. It also comes with the disadvantage of making the boots hotter and harder to put on, meaning it is more of a personal preference than a definitive improvement." I'm not asking them to make a full gusset. But at least an inch or two high. Give some protection and help the tongue stand up. If they did that I would own many of their boots.
Lol a personal preference lmao! I’ll tell you what ALL of my service boots were gusseted all the way to the top! I guess that’s the DOD personal preference. 🤣
@@benDaku13 to be fair to Thursday, are these boots you really want to be jumping in puddles of water and destroying? And most of the time when we do encounter a puddle of water on the sidewalk, it's not going to be deep enough that itll submerge the nose of your boot.
I have no problem with mine. Bought the black and suede green. Let me just say this that if you ever eat out at a restaurant, and you find out the grim reality on how they handle your food day in and day out for 30-40 years, you will survive a shoe gusset. Just wear the damn shoe soldier.
Ended up buying some used 3 times for $60. At that price I couldn't pass up. Still can't believe it's not fixed , I even messaged them about it asking if they plan to gusset them and the answer was no.
I say this in the most honest way possible, almost anything is better than the Thursday boot. My favorite boot at the moment is th-cam.com/video/Img0sRvGVxs/w-d-xo.html Other boots I’ve actually tried that are better than Thursday. 1. Timberland Premium 6 inch boot. 2. Salewa Alp trainer GTX boot 3. DM 1460 4. Bottega Veneta Lug boot Boots that have a gusset but I haven’t tried. 1. Custom PNW boots (White’s, Nick’s, Frank’s, JK etc.) 2. Danner Tachyon 3.Valentino Garavani mens combat boots 4. Bottega Veneta Lug lace- up boot 5. Corcoran Jump boots 6. Bates Men’s 11” Paratrooper side zip boot (I wore Corcoran boots in the military but the jump boots I’m referring to are a classic style).
This is the only boot from Thursday that I thought they executed well (never handled them in person). Shame about the lack of gusseted tongues. I tend to see that in most of Thursday's stuff, not everything is thought out. Thanks for the video, hopefully Thursday sees it and decides to update the design. Ironically, they're called Thursday Boot Co. but it seems like their sneakers are great. That's basically a sneaker style tongue in that Explorer too.
The jury is still out about the sneakers imo. I’ve never heard of a sneaker tearing up ones achilles. This has only been reported on the all white sneaker though. The most popular color in the minimal sneaker realm.
For one simple reason - marketed towards "posers"...it's all for the look...the level of functional detail you are referring to will likely never even play a role for the typical individual who buys this boot.
Great review! I’ve been hesitant on buying a pair bc Thursdays seem to be more fashion than function and I want both. Btw, who makes the dinosaur boots and the sunglasses you’re wearing? Thanks!
Reza says don't buy these boots is what I heard !!! Any thoughts on F1 you two did'nt forget about you Kat especially after the wonderful commentating in Miami !!!
LOL well lets just say I wouldn’t recommend them LMAO… As we enter the end of this season I would say. Max and Redbull deserve the title this year, even tho lasts years momentum got them here on everything but merit. As for Mercedes, what a way to drop the ball from the beginning of the season to now, it has always been a game of damage limitation and trying to sort out a poorly designed car. Tip of the hat to George for putting an obviously inferior machine on the podium so many times! Lewis new this season was a wash and just enjoyed the year. Ferrari and MCLAREN…. Well Ferrari get the ultimate WTF from my book they had the strongest opening season in years and just collapsed on them selves and made so many errors that cost them big time. MCLAREN smh lets just say I feel bad for Daniel but that’s kinda what happens when you jump around from team to team like that. Alpine surprised me Torro Rosso not so much! Has was impressive the first quarter of the season then lost momentum…. Alfa and Aston Martin … at least they aren’t Williams LMAO IDK what else to say. Over all it’s been a interesting but not very exciting year. OH and I’m still not a fan of this seasons cars, I hate that wheel cover, the rear wing and the overall proportions of this seasons cars. A few teams nailed the livery which made them palatable but overall not the best looking F1 cars IMHO.
@KRT LYFE I left a comment on their Instagram saying that was the only issue with the boots and they replied with "Not an issue, but totally understood your thought"
@@Equinox4O7 yeah, most boots on the market from the cheapest Walmart has to offer, to PNW custom boots are gusseted. I’ve found surprisingly that a lot of “ high end fashion boots from YSL, CD, BV etc are also gusseted. The most annoying thing ever on any shoe is a tongue that won’t stay centered and wet feet lol.
Great review! That completely changes the usability for that boot. I also haven’t seen anyone else point that out on other reviews. Thanks for the great content
Glad it was helpful! if you look up Frank’s, Nick’s or Whites you will see that they are gusseted all the way up to the top. They are 2X more expensive but they are hand made and fully customizable. I am thinking about going that route. If you watch the Frank’s boots factory tour video on TH-cam you can see exactly what I’m talking about. th-cam.com/video/7G4gb-9JGBk/w-d-xo.html
@@KRTLyfe oh yeah I’m down that TH-cam rabbit hole. Wesco has probably the most basic site of them until you try to customize a boot. I don’t think any of the PNW makers come close to the amount of choices. You can easily take a $525 base boot to $800+ before you realize it tho. The longevity with the resoles and rebuilds is incredible. Good luck 👍
@@davidvasquez2150 I've had my explorers for about 7 months now and been wearing the crap out of them. The insoles aren't flat or uncomfortable but they definitely "mold" to your foot as you can clearly feel slight indents in the insole from each toe and heel. They are super comfortable imo.
They look great, which I think is the point of Thursdays line of footwear in general. Style over function...they are a vanity brand imo. I can tell by the photos on their website. To go along with those "every man should have in their wardrobe" style guides found all over the internet and in magazines, they have every platform. But not actually made to do any real work in or serious traversal. Not a very usable boot, but looks great on foot. When I was in the military (USMC) my favorite was the Bellevilles...any model, so light and yet supportive... absolutely hated the Marine Corps "rat boot" by Danner, I remember even other branches looking at that boot sideways and so did we...wore them like 3-4 times and was done. But recently (since I been out) Danner released another model that looks a lot better, little more high speed and lower drag on it. Great review bro.
Thank you and thank you for your service! Yeah the Corcoran Marauder will always be my favorite. The first time I saw a NCO wearing them I was like gotta have em! Loved them so much I had them in steel toe and composite toe! The sage green Bellevilles was issued to us (USAF) in BMT that was the first standard issue item I got rid of lol. Funny enough my dad has them and still wears them to work LOL.
The problem is everyone is fighting for Promo deals and they are afraid to be honest about products because it might affect them getting more promo deals with other companies. SMH If its not a paid out of pocket review I generally skip it these days on all social media.
Question: Since this boot doesn't have a gusseted tongue do you have any problems with the tongue moving to the sides or any problems with rain or water from big puddles goin in?
Yes, just trying these shoes on for this video the tongue was all over the place and if you step or stand in deep enough water these boots will absolutely leak.
@@KRTLyfe aww man, what a bummer... why thursdays? When you say all over the place is that when the boots are all tied up on your feet and your walking on them? thanks again
I wore doc martens treking to Annapurna base camp Nepal. They slid all over the place, they werent dry. Ex german army surplus paratrooper boots were so much better, waterproof and lasted 3 years
I acquired a pair of Austrian surplus boots a few months ago. They are amazing. I did a review on them on the channel. th-cam.com/video/Img0sRvGVxs/w-d-xo.html
@KRT LYFE - Drop me a reply so I remember to respond but I have a pair of Thursday TItans coming in tomorrow, I'll check to see if they fixed that flaw or not since it's a boot that was just released this September. Cheers mate.
@@KRTLyfe Ok bud, just got my hands on em. Same flaw but because these dont have speed hooks, Im not concerned about leakage as your laces and the tongue should be up most of the time anyways. The differences between these boots and the President are - Stormwelt stitching, rounded toe box opposed to the narrow President toe,the pull loop on the back and of course the bottom sole with the TItan having more traction and a higher profile than the President. Boots I would wear around town but wouldnt really want to wear these out in the woods. Ill use my Chippewas Loggers for that.
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Its nice to see just a regular guy like most of us giving an honest review. Most of the time I believe these guys are paid for advertising. Thank you.
Thank you, I sincerely appreciate it. All of my reviews are unpaid, unsponsored. Everything I review was purchased with my own cash. None of that (review that’s actually a promotion stuff here) ! 🙌
Anyone that ever wore boots for outdoor use knows how important the gusset is. Just as Thursday’s improved the Captain boot by adding the rough out to the inner heal cup to reduce heel slip, I’m sure they will improve the Explorer in a few yrs. As it is now, it’s just a mild weather boot not ready for the field. Great honest review.
Thank you, I completely agree with you.
Well Bootspy did take them out camping in the rain and you see him stand in water in his vid and he says they are tight. Still weird theirs no gussets.
@@fari8034 he lied.
It's called the explorer not the adventurer.
People are still buying these boots with the wrong ideas.
Damn bro that’s a huuuuuge find for the rest of us man. Ty. They look good enough to take ‘em to the cobbler and maybe getting some added depending on how much they would want to charge, but I do agree that they should come with them out of the box.
Yeah, at this price point for this boot to have no gusset what so ever IMHO is kinda ridiculous. I wouldn’t personally invest anymore money into them. I would just buy some black Timberlands.
I gasped like I was watching a soap opera when you did that no gusset reveal. I had been really close to buying these boots since they seemed to tick all my boxes, but no way can I do a pair of shoes without any gusset at all. Between tongue slip, random debris, and unexpectedly deep puddles, that's a no go. Not to mention I'd been hoping to use them as a spur of the moment sort of light-hike shoe as well. Hopefully they'll add them someday, and in the meantime, back to the drawing board for me.Thanks for making this review!
Thank you, I was just as shocked when I took them out of the packaging for the first time. Mostly because no other review on TH-cam mentioned it. I figured making this review would save a lot of people time and headache. Thanks for watching commenting and subscribing!
What’s a good alternative then? Something that looks like this boot?
You saved me ! I was just about convinced that I was going to buy these for work until you pointed this out. Thanks from a former Navy Seabee
Thank you, I’m glad you found this video helpful! Thank you for your service!
You're absolutely right about the tongue. I don't need it fully gusseted but even a little bit would be nice. I'm rarely in extreme weather so it's less about the waterproofing for me, but it would really help with the annoying tongue slip I always get.
I also just bought a pair of Titans and boy does the tongue squeak a lot. They don't really seem to put a ton of design thought into the tongue.
Thanks for the review and your service. I agree, its a deal killer not having a gusset go at least halfway up.
Thank you and I agree I thought for sure it was going to be at least over the top of the foot. I was literally shocked to see a BOOT tongue only connected at the toe area.
They look great, and seemed perfect for winter initially, now I know that this is not the case, that's extremely low, pretty much like a sneaker. Thanks for the heads up.
No problem, I was very excited about this boot until I realized the Gusset was non existent! I still can’t believe this shoe is marketed as a hiking shoe! I guess as long as you don’t step in any puddles lol.
Hey, thanks for sharing this video & for your feedback!
It sounds like you're a big fan of the gusseted tongue. Just to set expectations, our boots are actually constructed to be everyday casual boots. They are built using water-resistant construction and should keep your feet dry on typical rain and snow days but they are not designed to be waterproof. They are also great for moderate hiking but if you are planning to do a lot of walking in difficult terrain on a regular basis, we would highly recommend a functional hiking boot designed for that purpose. That being said, we do have a few customers who have worn them on more challenging hikes with no issues (even without the gusseted tongue) but our main focus is for every day wear. The Explorer doesn't feature a gusseted tongue at the moment but we'd love for you to check back if we offer that feature in the future. If you're interested in a pair of boots with gusseted tongue, we recommend our Commander boots!
Feel free to email us at teamthursday@Thursdayboots.com, we'd love to answer any questions you have!
Thank you for responding! Please let me know if/when Thursday Boot Company revises this design to include a gusseted tongue! This would be the ultimate, dare I say Unicorn of boots if it did! For me personally it would check all my boxes for daily use as well as light to moderate adventures! This boot is so close to “perfection”, please add the gusseted tongue!
@@KRTLyfe you know they’re valid when they respond on criticism videos instead of just acting like they don’t exist
If gussets are added, oh boy, the "buy now" button will surely get its beating from me ;)
But your marketing says different, I understand this supposed to be an everyday boot. That being said these boots should have features which are standard that all other boots have.
What a joke they don’t even offer the Commander anymore. If Thursday actually cared about design over style, they would have gusseting. My Captain would have benefited greatly from even 1in of gusseting. The tongues slip from one side to the other. Absolutely annoying. If you want a real boot skip out on buying from Thursday and save your money. There are plenty of American made brands and even brands like Jim Green from South Africa are so much more higher quality. Save $200 more and you can have a pair of boots that will last dozens of years.
Thursday boots are made for style. I have several pairs and love them all. Great review and valid point. Anything deeper than a couple of inches I will use my Jeep :)
Lol I agree, I was unfamiliar with the brand and the plethora of TH-cam reviews I watched about these boots left me with unrealistic expectations I guess.
I almost forked out $250 for these shoes. Card ready. You saved me.
Glad to save you some trouble and headache.
This is the answer I was looking for. Thank you. And I also agree it should be gusseted…at least up to the top of the regular eyelets.
It absolutely should be!
Ok, I was really shocked when he flipped that tongue all the way out. Never would have guessed that there wouldn't be any gusseting at all. That's just nuts.
Yeah, I was just as shocked when I unlaced them for the first time.
Thanks a ton. I was about to buy this boot but now I have to think about it or wait for them to fix it.
Yes, I would absolutely wait until they sort the gusset and QC issues out.
Wow, I’m so glad you pointed this out. I had no idea about this, they don’t really show this and there’s no real way to know what to expect. If I had known this was the way it is, I wouldn’t have considered the boot.
Hopefully they fix this.
Yeah it is a nice looking boot but the QC and lack of gusset are deal breakers for me.
The best lesson comes from Daniel Tiger, “think about what you’re going to do and pick the clothes that are right for you!”
so glad I found out their boots arent gusseted before I bought some, I just assumed they would be!
Yeah, I was hoping they would be.
A good cobbler tho could add gusseting
Or if you wanna have fun and you know your way around sewing, buy full grain leather on amazon (I'd choose 1.. for this to keep the slim silhouette but 2mm would be way more durable) and you could add the gusseting
That would be a great experiment for someone nice with the sewing machine to try!
Thank you for the honest review you are the only person that’s mentioned the gusset and I would of been in trouble getting these for Iceland hiking
Depending on time of year especially! You definitely would not want to wear these to Iceland! You would be much better off with the standard timberland work boot IMHO. Depending on when and where you go in Iceland, I would recommend a proper hiking boot from a well established brand like Salewa, La sportiva, Salomon Arc’teryx etc. I wore Salewa GTX mid boots. Maybe a little overkill but I did not regret it as it was frigid and rainy our entire trip. Good luck and stay safe!
Don't have to worry about water at the hipster bar. Thanks for the great review
Thanks for the review, I'm going boot crazy right now with all these videos . I forgot about the importance of the gusset, and how a crooked tongue can mess up an otherwise good pair of boots.
You are welcome, this boot does have the loop on the tongue to keep it somewhat centered but a gusset would be the proper way to do it.
I'm not wearing my thursdays during bad weather, personally.
Yeah, I definitely would not wear this boot in bad weather. I like my feet to be dry!
Thanks for pointing out the lack of a gusset. I was planning on buying these since I have 2 pairs of Thursdays already but i wanted something that is gusseted.
Glad I could help!
HAHAHAAHHAHA
So True,
I LOVE this boot but when it rains,
my feet get SOAKED!
Looking for a pair of boots that I not only aesthetically like and will allow me to use them for work in all weather conditions, these were up there till you showed up and saw the flaw in them. I work with a lot of water and these unfortunately will no longer work, so thanks for saving me the 300 they would end up costing me and not have them work. Still love them if I ever wanted to just wear a pair of boots but I’ll wait till I can actually spend that type of money for a boot ill only wear once or twice a month
Yeah, unfortunately I wouldn’t use this boot for anything other that leisure activity on dry days. I can’t stand being wet and cold and this boot is not worth the risk for me either.
Thanks for uploading, there isn’t enough videos on these.
No problem! Glad you found the video helpful. Thank you for watching commenting and subscribing!
That gusset design, dang. You saved me $250 lol thanks 🙏🏼 debating a bunch of different boot options rn, esp Docs and found your video. Rly helpful!
No problem, glad you found the video helpful!
Looks a lot like those Canadian Mk3 boots or Addison combat boots with a Goodyear welt and vibram lug sole. Pretty retro since nobody makes those designs in a GYW anymore. Except those older boots have a full gusset and steel toes. Those are very comfortable in my experience.
I guess the reason why they didn’t fully gusset the boot is because of the tongue can crease and cause a bite point on the ankle bone in my experience.
Yeah IDK, all of my boots are gusseted to some degree with no issues and plenty of benefits. The pros of gussets far out weight the cons IMHO.
Yeah you are right. If anything this is more of a winter dress boot rather than an actual, hiking boot.
Which sucks because I was just watching a listing of these on ebay. But it doesn't seem worth it now.
I went hiking in my explorers the other day and my foot did in fact get wet.... lol
Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately due to the design, there is no way these boots could be used for wet conditions.
To be fair, pretty much all of Thursday's boots are positioned as more light/medium casual wear and not heavy duty work or outdoor boots. With that in mind the lack of a gusset makes more sense as it makes them much easier to put on since the tongue can open more for your foot.
You just gained a follow my friend DS Browne
i want boots that look like the explorer with gusseting. would be my every day boot.
i had a timberland boot like these, the charles street boots. even without the gusseting it was still pretty waterproof even in winter :) i'm assuming thursday also left the gusseting out to cut costs or to make it more breathable (in a paradox sorta way) ??? or to make it easier to put on? idk
Thursday does make some questionable choices here n there. Take their logger for example, the heel has a really thin piece of rubber on it that will need to be replaced within a year probably. I read a comment by them on here somewhere and they said there was multiple choices, but the design they use now actually won. I wonder if its the same deal with the explorers -- they could have put gusseting in, but the final design did not have it for some reason.
Also another strange thing: the thursday captains can have speed hooks and they are an ankle boot, but the logger with is an 8" boot has no speed hooks. I'm biased cause i don't care for speed hooks but i know a lot of ppl want speed hooks lol
did you end up keeping the boots?
No, I retuned them, the boots would not serve my intended purpose. I can’t find any logical reason to leave out the gusset but money. With out it you still have to unlace the boot to get your foot in so yeah idk. Speaking of speed hooks the lacing mechanisms they attached to the top of these boots… I don’t understand them. They have these little wheels inside of them and seem like they might be super failure prone no to mention they aren’t the fastest or simplest lacing system. I don’t hate speed hooks but I don’t love them either. I will say that I’ve had more bad experiences with speed hooks vs good ones. Overall tho if they gusseted this boot it would be 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 the lack thereof is such a missed opportunity to dominate this area of the boot market
It's a great pair, gusset or no gusset.
That's terrible. i wanted them mostly for looks to go with an outfit i have in mind but was hoping it had actual features for difficult enviroments, i'll still get them probably just for the town, bot for an actual hazardous enviroment piece of footwear i'll have to look somewhere else. Thanks for the review, and congratulations for the baby.
I paid almost the same for my Allen Edmonds Chapman boots (268 total) on sale and they have gussets. Shame these don't.
Yeah it’s unbelievable that these don’t especially for the price and the sales pitch they give.
while it could def. use the gusseting, they really ARE more of a style boot. ive taken them hiking the snow and was fine. the MAJOR flaw i had with them is the padded top, its a really thin leather so if you pull the boot on by the padding ( the pull tab is far too small to pull on) it will rip.
Yeah it is definitely a style boot for sure! The problem is they are marketed as so much more. I think we can all agree they do look damn good!
I really have to agree with this guy’s review. I think it’s a great looking boot, and I’ve heard a lot of people say a lot of good things about it. But that is a major major flaw gusset is so important to making an outdoor hardware boot.
It keeps the elements out of the boot.
Oh wow I would have had no idea that the boot didn't have a gusset. That's such a huge fail for me, I really thought these were going to be my new do everything boots, but no gusset and I simply can't justify buying them. I'm emailing them right now to see if they've added it since this video or if not if it would be possible to have a custom pair made with gusseting. I would have bought their commander boots instead but they don't sell them anymore! such a shame.
Yeah it’s weird how they glossed over such an important detail for this type of boot.
Thank you very much for this review. I was really considering this over DMs. I know nothing about boots and I really like this review!
Glad I could help! I would definitely go with DM or Solovair over this boot 100 percent any day!
I personally love them for everyday use/ city walking. They’re fine for rainy and snowy days in NYC in my opinion
Most entertaining boot review ever. I do like Thursdays boots but they are more for looks.
Thank you, I agree if you want look’s Thursday is acceptable. If you need looks and function you gotta keep searching.
Thank you for the honest review. I was so close to buying this model but I’ll go for one of their other lines.
Shocked! That’s to me turns me off from getting this boot. I would have thought up to the speed lace eyelets. Damn, kind of a silly oversight for these boots
Wow, I’m no expert and actually bought a pair of explorers a while ago. I’ve used them in heavy rain with no problem and I love the way they look. But now I wish they had what you’re describing in case I wanted to take them out in other situations.
I hope you don't step into deep puddles in that boot.
Yeah, I wouldn’t personally take these camping or in the outdoors for any extended period. These would probably be decent for a short day hike in perfect conditions tho.
have they still not fixed this a year later?
Thank goodness you told me before I spent my money on these. Thank you
Glad I could help! Thank you for watching!
Really good point! unbelievable they left that out....
Yeah I found it really strange.
These are gorgeous boots and they look good on you!!! Hope you didn't get rid of them!
I had to get rid of them, they don’t meet my minimum standards. However I did find an amazing alternative!
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Well I guess they do look good for when you're pretending to be hiking or something haha
LOL oh yeah these are excellent for pretend hiking for social media and similar activities! LOL
Yo thank you
You are welcome glad you found the video useful.
Yeah, it isn't really an outdoor boot without gusseting .
Great review, and I actually trust you. Seems like a few boot TH-camrs have Thursday up their rears. It’s a nice looking boot, but they’re being compared to Red Wings and Whites and Nicks as equals or better…..no way. I hope the money was worth their credibility.
I appreciate that! All of the reviews on our channels are unsponsored and we pay out of pocket for every item we review. IMHO even a “transparent” sponsored review must be taken with a grain of salt.
Agreed. Wholeheartedly. Army regular since 2001. Bugs me too.
They will fix it.
I only bought these because they are crazy comfy and I struggle to fit boots.
Thursday...fix this.
But hey...just think about the breathing and venting properties...Ha!
LMAO never sweaty feet in the Thursday’s LOL! Thank you for you service sir!
Wow! Didn’t know about the lack of gusseting in this boot! Because they’re extraordinarily handsome boots! Do you think they’ll start gusseting them? I’m strongly considering purchasing these.
Thank you. This is the info I was looking for.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you so much for the detailed review.
Glad it was helpful!
I was about to get these to replace my 24 year old docs (leather has significant cracking), until I saw the gussetting (shocking), and a hard pass for me. Thanks for your review!
Glad I could help!
I like these boots but they look like they have the potential to cause blisters on the back of the foot
Possibly.
None of the Thursday boots are gusseted. It makes no sense to me. Honestly one of the only flaws with the brand (for the price)
I agree, at this price point all the fine details matter.
Damn this completely changes my mind about picking up these boots!
I really like the boot but i wish they offered it in a normal black leather and not this matte finish
Wow. I can't believe a boot marketed like this one is missing such a feature... I've not seen anyone else point this out. I am severely disappointed as I was really itching to buy this boot for a long time, but was always apprehensive because I had doubts it was as functional as I hoped it would be. I really like the skimmed down style, especially given I wear slim clothes, but I can't justify spending a lot of money on something unless it's actually a reliable instrument. I was hoping these could be my every day boot. I think I will email them asking about this is stuff and if they intend to update them to have a higher gusset. And pray they say they intend to haha.
Do you know of any other boot brands that are stylish and functional?
I am still searching for something, right now I am looking at Solovair but haven’t gotten a pair in hand just yet.
@Sovereign State - the Titan might have fixed this flaw (their new boot).
@@KRTLyfe Right on! Good luck
@@The_Zilli Interesting. Thanks, I'll check it out!
Great video. Finally someone is honest about this book and not kissing Thursdays ass. You made me a subscriber. Check out Caswell’s boots and Grant Stone boots, I’d love to hear your opinion on them.
IM glad you found value in this video! I will definitely try to check those brands out. Thank you for the recommendation!
Thanks for the honest review
Thank you, glad you found it helpful.
@KRT LYFE it is way too big for me, but it's been a month since I bought it so I probably can't get the exchange 😬 my bad on that.
Hey man, thank you very much for that refreshing and honest review. I’ve seen numerous reviews of this company and was looking to buy the Explorer and there was never a mention of how far the gusset goes…not-a-one, until I came across your video. This is a deal breaker for me. I own a pair of the Capitains and went and checked and sure enough it started the same. Those boots get a pass because they are more dressy. Subscribed. Also, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!🫡
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I really liked these boots and was going to get them you saved me
I would definitely say try them if the gusset isn’t a deal breaker for you but if it is … then yeah this boot ain’t it.
@@KRTLyfethat's a major issue for me since you made this video I was wondering if they fixed that issue
My biggest gripe with thursday is that they don't add a gusset into any boot they make. I hate it bc I really like their look and comfort. They even make a horween leather logger boot with no gusset. WHY?
I wasn’t aware all of their products are like that smh. At this price point it really doesn’t make sense. The boot you mentioned is a great looking shoe but for almost $300.00 dollars tho!!!! I need that gusset lol!
@@KRTLyfe yeah I have a pair of their captains. Super comfortable and looks great, but no gusset. The tongue constantly slides off to the side and doesn't stand up straight. They have a PR response explanation on their site to justify their cost cutting measure
"A gusseted tongue can marginally deflect water from reaching your foot through the tongue, but in reality, this enhancement is pretty minor. It also comes with the disadvantage of making the boots hotter and harder to put on, meaning it is more of a personal preference than a definitive improvement."
I'm not asking them to make a full gusset. But at least an inch or two high. Give some protection and help the tongue stand up.
If they did that I would own many of their boots.
Lol a personal preference lmao! I’ll tell you what ALL of my service boots were gusseted all the way to the top! I guess that’s the DOD personal preference. 🤣
@@benDaku13 to be fair to Thursday, are these boots you really want to be jumping in puddles of water and destroying? And most of the time when we do encounter a puddle of water on the sidewalk, it's not going to be deep enough that itll submerge the nose of your boot.
I have no problem with mine. Bought the black and suede green. Let me just say this that if you ever eat out at a restaurant, and you find out the grim reality on how they handle your food day in and day out for 30-40 years, you will survive a shoe gusset. Just wear the damn shoe soldier.
😂
Where can I get these dinosaur boots from my man!?!?
I got them at Bass Pro Shop a long time ago. They have a bunch of different types depending on what type of terrain you will encounter.
Damn this review just made me stop buying em. Thank you lol, saved me a lot of money. That does make no sense
Glad I saved you some time and headache! They do look good tho but when yu combine the QC issues and the lack of any gusset it a hard no for me!
Ended up buying some used 3 times for $60. At that price I couldn't pass up. Still can't believe it's not fixed , I even messaged them about it asking if they plan to gusset them and the answer was no.
What would you recommend for a good weather winter durable boot that can compete with Thursday that has the “gustening”
I probably spelled that wrong
I say this in the most honest way possible, almost anything is better than the Thursday boot.
My favorite boot at the moment is th-cam.com/video/Img0sRvGVxs/w-d-xo.html
Other boots I’ve actually tried that are better than Thursday.
1. Timberland Premium 6 inch boot.
2. Salewa Alp trainer GTX boot
3. DM 1460
4. Bottega Veneta Lug boot
Boots that have a gusset but I haven’t tried.
1. Custom PNW boots (White’s, Nick’s, Frank’s, JK etc.)
2. Danner Tachyon
3.Valentino Garavani mens combat boots
4. Bottega Veneta Lug lace- up boot
5. Corcoran Jump boots
6. Bates Men’s 11” Paratrooper side zip boot
(I wore Corcoran boots in the military but the jump boots I’m referring to are a classic style).
This is the only boot from Thursday that I thought they executed well (never handled them in person). Shame about the lack of gusseted tongues. I tend to see that in most of Thursday's stuff, not everything is thought out. Thanks for the video, hopefully Thursday sees it and decides to update the design. Ironically, they're called Thursday Boot Co. but it seems like their sneakers are great. That's basically a sneaker style tongue in that Explorer too.
Totally agree, hopefully they make some improvements to make this a real do it all boot! I would definitely buy it again and keep it if it was.
The jury is still out about the sneakers imo. I’ve never heard of a sneaker tearing up ones achilles. This has only been reported on the all white sneaker though. The most popular color in the minimal sneaker realm.
For one simple reason - marketed towards "posers"...it's all for the look...the level of functional detail you are referring to will likely never even play a role for the typical individual who buys this boot.
Yeah, I was hoping that wasn’t the case but this is definitely a fashion boot masquerading to be something it isn’t.
It Jordans im a 7.5, should i go with a 7 or 7.5 in these?
I would recommend referring to the Thursday website.
Dang, but they do look good though.
Aesthetics 10/10 all day… Everything else is eh.
Great review! I’ve been hesitant on buying a pair bc Thursdays seem to be more fashion than function and I want both. Btw, who makes the dinosaur boots and the sunglasses you’re wearing? Thanks!
The Dinosaur boots are made by Rocky, I think the model is discontinued tho. The glasses are a Amazon brand Kaliyadi.
Thanks! Looking forward to ur next vid!
Reza says don't buy these boots is what I heard !!! Any thoughts on F1 you two did'nt forget about you Kat especially after the wonderful commentating in Miami !!!
LOL well lets just say I wouldn’t recommend them LMAO… As we enter the end of this season I would say. Max and Redbull deserve the title this year, even tho lasts years momentum got them here on everything but merit.
As for Mercedes, what a way to drop the ball from the beginning of the season to now, it has always been a game of damage limitation and trying to sort out a poorly designed car. Tip of the hat to George for putting an obviously inferior machine on the podium so many times! Lewis new this season was a wash and just enjoyed the year.
Ferrari and MCLAREN…. Well Ferrari get the ultimate WTF from my book they had the strongest opening season in years and just collapsed on them selves and made so many errors that cost them big time.
MCLAREN smh lets just say I feel bad for Daniel but that’s kinda what happens when you jump around from team to team like that.
Alpine surprised me Torro Rosso not so much! Has was impressive the first quarter of the season then lost momentum….
Alfa and Aston Martin … at least they aren’t Williams LMAO IDK what else to say.
Over all it’s been a interesting but not very exciting year.
OH and I’m still not a fan of this seasons cars, I hate that wheel cover, the rear wing and the overall proportions of this seasons cars. A few teams nailed the livery which made them palatable but overall not the best looking F1 cars IMHO.
How long did it take for your boots to be delivered?
I don’t remember exactly, but it wasn’t unreasonable from what I recall.
THOSE ARENT SUEDE it's a full grain leather wirh the top barely sanded a bit
If you want real boots that'll last your lifetime get nicks or whites
Thank you for sharing! 🙌🏾
That’s the problem with Thursday..
I don't think I've ever seen a boot without a gusseted tongue.
I agree, it is definitely abnormal.
@KRT LYFE I left a comment on their Instagram saying that was the only issue with the boots and they replied with "Not an issue, but totally understood your thought"
@@Equinox4O7 yeah, most boots on the market from the cheapest Walmart has to offer, to PNW custom boots are gusseted. I’ve found surprisingly that a lot of “ high end fashion boots from YSL, CD, BV etc are also gusseted. The most annoying thing ever on any shoe is a tongue that won’t stay centered and wet feet lol.
Thursday Boot is an entry-level quality Fashion City Boot, not a work/function boot 👢
Entry level yes, quality, eh I think that is debatable.
Great review! That completely changes the usability for that boot. I also haven’t seen anyone else point that out on other reviews. Thanks for the great content
Glad it was helpful! if you look up Frank’s, Nick’s or Whites you will see that they are gusseted all the way up to the top. They are 2X more expensive but they are hand made and fully customizable. I am thinking about going that route. If you watch the Frank’s boots factory tour video on TH-cam you can see exactly what I’m talking about.
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@@KRTLyfe oh yeah I’m down that TH-cam rabbit hole. Wesco has probably the most basic site of them until you try to customize a boot. I don’t think any of the PNW makers come close to the amount of choices. You can easily take a $525 base boot to $800+ before you realize it tho. The longevity with the resoles and rebuilds is incredible. Good luck 👍
Since the insoles aren’t removable do you think over time it’ll flatten out and be firm/hard and uncomfortable?
Yes. Im having this exact problem right now with my Thursday explorers. Its a shame cause i love these boots.
@@turbosnake8038 wait so you’ve only had them a short while and already they’ve flattened out and are uncomfortable??
According to the logic of Thursday boot Co. The cork insole is supposed to “mold” to your foot. Obviously I can’t confirm or deny this claim.
@@davidvasquez2150 I've had my explorers for about 7 months now and been wearing the crap out of them. The insoles aren't flat or uncomfortable but they definitely "mold" to your foot as you can clearly feel slight indents in the insole from each toe and heel. They are super comfortable imo.
They look great, which I think is the point of Thursdays line of footwear in general. Style over function...they are a vanity brand imo. I can tell by the photos on their website. To go along with those "every man should have in their wardrobe" style guides found all over the internet and in magazines, they have every platform. But not actually made to do any real work in or serious traversal. Not a very usable boot, but looks great on foot. When I was in the military (USMC) my favorite was the Bellevilles...any model, so light and yet supportive... absolutely hated the Marine Corps "rat boot" by Danner, I remember even other branches looking at that boot sideways and so did we...wore them like 3-4 times and was done. But recently (since I been out) Danner released another model that looks a lot better, little more high speed and lower drag on it. Great review bro.
Thank you and thank you for your service! Yeah the Corcoran Marauder will always be my favorite. The first time I saw a NCO wearing them I was like gotta have em! Loved them so much I had them in steel toe and composite toe! The sage green Bellevilles was issued to us (USAF) in BMT that was the first standard issue item I got rid of lol. Funny enough my dad has them and still wears them to work LOL.
@@KRTLyfethank you as well brotha.
People keep buying Thursday boots like they're about to go scale a mountain lol.
good point!
Thank you, I sincerely appreciate it.
That boot should be gusseted to the top.
Smh boot reviewers are huge posers. Thanks for pointing this out
The problem is everyone is fighting for Promo deals and they are afraid to be honest about products because it might affect them getting more promo deals with other companies. SMH If its not a paid out of pocket review I generally skip it these days on all social media.
Question: Since this boot doesn't have a gusseted tongue do you have any problems with the tongue moving to the sides or any problems with rain or water from big puddles goin in?
Yes, just trying these shoes on for this video the tongue was all over the place and if you step or stand in deep enough water these boots will absolutely leak.
@@KRTLyfe aww man, what a bummer... why thursdays?
When you say all over the place is that when the boots are all tied up on your feet and your walking on them? thanks again
PRAISE BE! been searching for conversation about this. thanks for making this video✌
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching commenting and subscribing!
I wore doc martens treking to Annapurna base camp Nepal. They slid all over the place, they werent dry. Ex german army surplus paratrooper boots were so much better, waterproof and lasted 3 years
I acquired a pair of Austrian surplus boots a few months ago. They are amazing. I did a review on them on the channel.
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@KRT LYFE - Drop me a reply so I remember to respond but I have a pair of Thursday TItans coming in tomorrow, I'll check to see if they fixed that flaw or not since it's a boot that was just released this September. Cheers mate.
That’s awesome! I would love to hear your thoughts on them!!! Hopefully it helps everyone who has watched this video and replied in the comments!
@@KRTLyfe Still waiting for em to arrive. WIll drop a reply here with my observations when they do show sometime today.
@@KRTLyfe Ok bud, just got my hands on em. Same flaw but because these dont have speed hooks, Im not concerned about leakage as your laces and the tongue should be up most of the time anyways. The differences between these boots and the President are - Stormwelt stitching, rounded toe box opposed to the narrow President toe,the pull loop on the back and of course the bottom sole with the TItan having more traction and a higher profile than the President. Boots I would wear around town but wouldnt really want to wear these out in the woods. Ill use my Chippewas Loggers for that.
That’s a deal breaker
Yeah, unfortunately it was a deal breaker for me, great looking boot though.
Nice review !
Thank you so much!
Only a crazy person would buy boots for hiking. You need ultra lightweight hiking shoes. Never buy boots for hiking.
I agree, think i might find some vibram five fingers!
This boot is for hard use in urban areas. Not a true field boot.
Just saved me from buying this boot