The British Caribbean Vs. The British African Beef In The United Kingdom (The Repat Podcast) EP 7
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- Hello Brothers and Sisters. Welcome to another episode of the Repat Podcast. Today we are with DJ Maintain. He is a Londoner currently living in Kampala Uganda. We are going to be discussing the long standing beef between The Caribbean Vs The African Immigrant Community in The United Kingdom.
Britain colonised Nigeria and Jamaica, and we have both sides telling each other that they are better that each other, meanwhile the colonists are laughing at both of us, damn! 🤯
Exactly
yep, exactly.
Exactly!
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Maybe in the UK
I am a Guyanese, South American / Caribbean person. I love, love, love, love my African brothers and sisters. I am an African who has no beef with my fellow Africans. I don't say Black Americans, or Black Caribbeans, or Black Brits, it's just African. When you get past the classification, we can have healthier bonds.
I know alot of afro guyanese and they have a strong sense of african identity.They don't have so much of a stiff upper lip towards african americans,very relaxed and down to earth people, the Indians in Guyana,different story.
@@umarbentley4953 Afro Guyanese do have a strong sense of African identity. Unfortunately, not many of us do. Some have been Europeanized to the point they do not wish to have any affiliation with their African identity, or any identity connected to Africa. They will say, I am English, or Guyanese-American, or Guyanese Canadian. I have no problem with that. To each is own. Everyone is free to self-identify as they wish. For me, I am African...period. Not Afro-Guyanese or Afro-American, but African, and Guyanese by birth. As for our Indian brothers, they have been taught by the Europeans to hate Africans, and to think their Indian ethnicity is superior to Africans. Not all subscribe to this ignorance, so we have to treat them in a non-monolithic manner. Like with any group of people, you find ignorance, even within our own African community. There are Africans who are prejudiced against their own, choosing to favor a European/Western identity over their own African. Sad, but real. What is your bloodline? Blessings
@TMConsultingLLC It's the after effect of enslavement. You can't blame them
You most definitely can get them sambo niggas off the boat@@sportreelz7025
Respect from New Orleans 🇹🇹
If you are African who feels a sense of pride about yourself, and Caribbean feels a sense of pride about himself and a Black American who feels a sense of pride about himself, how is it possible for anyone to look down or up at anyone? If everyone has healthy self-esteem, what’s the problem?
There is a lot of low self esteem in our communities. Even the pride is usually false pride covering up many insecurities. Hopefully these discussions can spark a change for the better.
Weak-minded individuals let others tell them how to think..
@FOOTBALL TOP TENZ, The problem is that Africans who point out that Caribbean and African Americans are descendants of slaves do not recognize their own history of slavery and oppression as a colonized people and that colonialism impacted them in a mighty way....such denial
@FOOTBALL TOP TENZ ,
Well, the so called slave babies are doing well ...We have built 200 universities, used the white man's constitution and fought our own way out of slavery and yet it was the African American who initiated The Black Power Movement using freedom strategies still used today ..We know exactly who we are...
What is this tribal culture anyways?
What is left of the African tribes but a chief with no power in this very global world.You have your language but yet you use English, French, Portuguese, etc as your national lanuage in an African nation, you cross over the Mediterranean sea or Sahara desert to get out of Africa.
I am very proud to be an African American, aware of being the descendant of slavery rather than a follish man walking around with a colonialized mindset that doesn't even know his own history and a answers by the name George, Julie , Barbara and white Jesus framed inside his house or high in Catholic churches:
What culture greater than ours who are African American other that eatting Egusi Soup with fingers ?
Because in UK black people are not together, sometimes they go behind and support the Asian man just to make you angry. Am in uk I know how we do.
I’m British born of Caribbean descent and I’ve never had any issues with Africans, I feel very connected to my African roots and see many similarities between Caribbean and west African culture particularly music and certain foods. I think the issues stem from first generations of Caribbean and African settler in the UK, they did not get along due to lots of brainwashing and stereotyping of each other
I would say I have observed African families to have stronger family structures and a lot of emphasis is placed on education and success in their cultures, and their individual communities are more supportive towards each other
@@gayles76 The irony is that Caribbean folks outperform Africans despite this when it comes to home ownership, household wealth and other things. The only things Africans outperform us in is education but that doesn't necessarily translate to generational wealth for the vast majority. Think where you commonly see Africans in your day to day. The vast majority work regular 9-5's like every other group. You could blame it on racism but that would apply to Caribbeans even more so.
There's a lack of connection and pride within the Caribbean community imo. A massive disconnect between each generation due to the time we've spent over here and how different our experiences are. Africans that arrived especially after the 80's and 90's especially much later are much closer in lived experiences than Windrush folks(1940's onward) vs their children and grandchildren(60's- till present)for example.
Yep, your absolutely correct, proper brainwashed by these stupid “COLONISTS”, I’m Ugandan, but born in Walthamstow, moved to Leyton in May 1984 when I was six month old, now living in Custom House in East London, I don’t trust that “ COMMUNITY” because what they have done to our Community and divided us, I’ve nevered experience racism in my early life, I’m an early 80’s baby, ‘83, I went around London, West End, Essex and other areas of London, nevered had problem, but I did heard about Essex, Chingford and some other parts again in London were racist area, Eltham, where Steven Laurence killed, those men gave that area a bad name back then, but some people in our community no matter f your African or West Indian some won’t change, due to being brainwashed by these idiots.
I’m African and I never had any issues with Caribbeans too but I remember in the 90s there was definitely more tension between Africans & Caribbeans. Hell, even in school I had some Caribbean girls diss me for being African, dissing my dark skin yet later on in life, they’d add me on Facebook flirting & and wanting to meet up like WTF? Ironically enough too though, it’s mostly UK “African boys” killing it in Hollywood: Idris Elba, John Boyega, Daniel Kaluuya, Damson Idris etc. but even Akala did a study on this from a non bias point of view and said that Africans tend to outperform in school but at the end of the day, we may have different cultures but Black is Black. Racists ain’t gonna give us a pass whether we’re African or Caribbean 🤷🏿♂️
Spot on, methodically deployed tactics by the enemy of both of us... I always never recognised the divisive nonsense... To date still, I date mostly my beautiful Caribbean sisters... And have of course visited many of the islands over there... Synergies of the ancestors!
The loudness comes from being West African...Nigerians are generally charismatic and loud too.
100% true
I agree Ghanians and Nigerians love hyping eachother up, being charismatic, and laughing outwardly, keep vibrations high.
East Africans can be all that but no where near with the same amount of energy or vibrato.
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@@MonDieuMaCauseMonEpee exactly
@@esem135 seems like a "weird" thing to find "weird and rude". You're probably the dictionary definition of low-energy and uncharismatic. shame.
Great great convo. As a 62 yr old Black New Yorker with Jamaican parents with close family members in Jamaica and the UK I can totally relate to what DJ Maintain is saying and relating. Thank you ODJ for bringing nuance and context about the conflicts between the different groups of the African Diaspora. Way better to what Tariq Nasheed and Jason Black is saying about us Caribbean Americans.
Those of Caribbean background and those of Black American background have the same/similar background because of the Trans Atlantic Slave trade. Africans don't have that same history or experience.
cause africans fought back against being enslaved. They held down the continent. They dont have a 1 white man ruling the country.
The issue happens when Africans from the continent who are middle class come over and SOMETIMES look down on Caribbeans and African Americans. It is really a class issue because the average African on the continent is really cool and easy to get along with. Also, some of the "elitist" Africans are also a$$holes to their own people back home. This is what I've observed through my travels on the continent, the UK, and the US. Generally, whether it be a African American, Caribbean, or African, people with elitist mindsets are a$$holes.
Gtfoh which "elites" ain't a$$holes?? Everybody has long been lookin gdown on everybody, but now the Nigerians (yeah, I said it) on their grind and now somehow their the bullies? what a load of crock. Each man stand on his own two and keep pushing. Too much bitching and moaning.
a lot of the Africans that come over are elitists
@@fistandpen2505 I don't even know what you're arguing but watch ya mouth. I especially hope you aren't arguing that Nigerians are on their grind when the Nigerians are accused of causing trouble in S. Africa, Italy, Nigeria, etc. Don't trip cuz I'll teach you about yourself. And where the hell did I mention Nigerians in my post? Must be feeling guilty. Get out ya feelings.
That's absolutely false! People from poor rural, traditional background, in Central, East, Southern and even some parts of West Africa, find it rude to be loud for no reason. The elders will find it exceptionally rude if you're loud and talk somehow in their presence. People don't usually have a problem if you are yourself in a circle of friends, but if you do that in public though they will give you the side eye. The idea behind it is that a man/woman is supposed to have a mystery if someone just blurts out everything they think, and make a spectacle of themselves, people in traditional backgrounds will see them as a fool. It's more cultural than a class thing.
@@psa2969 I don't think you meant to reply to my comment.
The tribalism that is pervasive in African society is the reason for the success of transatlantic slavery, colonization of the African continent, and the divisions between native born Africans and AA’s and Caribbean Africans. I know all other cultures have tribalism but none have had it decimate a people like our own. I’m not pointing fingers at anyone because the African American born in Brooklyn will have tribal animosity against Caribbean African and continental Africans, southern African Americans and even people who live two blocks away and vice versa. At the root of all this is that we place tribe above everything, we continue this to our great detriment.
EXXXXAACCTLY AT LEAST SOME BODY WITH THE EXPERIENCE AND THE INTELIGENCE THAT CAN RELATE TO THIS GARBAGE CLICKBAIT. CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IS A CARIBBEAN?
@@ForeignBlasianLA Thanks for the info. Not trying to to be disrespectful. Should I just use Caribbean or Afro-Caribbean or some other point of reference?
@@doughoggs4380 west Indians
I have experience that animosity in Brooklyn.
The tribalism comes predominantly from Africans. That's why even today, your continent is the way it is.
"These are slave babies." As a black American, I know the feeling.
That really pissed me off.
Who cares. Black Americans from the North call Black Americans down South "slaves" all the damn time. How come no one talks about that?
Never have I heard an African use slavery as a tool to insult anyone. Slavery makes a lot of us angry towards Europeans so this was such a reach, he can't have heard this repeatedly. This is so decisive.
@@gatherme8655because these are made up thing he said ,I’m African but I have never heard any African saying that ,also there is no beef between Africans and Caribbean in the UK ,they are creating fictional beef over nothing
Oshay, you need to get hip hop history correct. Kool Herc is Jamaican, but hip hop isn't Jamaican. Nyc already had the ingredients. Herc didn't create breakdancing, that came from the black spades. He didn't create graffiti, it was around in the 60s. It was already a dj culture in NY before Herc started. He was influenced by dj's like Pete Dj Jones. Rapin'' was around before all the other elements. Hell, even the pioneers of Jamaican toasting, said they got the idea of toasting from American radio DJ's .
He said it was created By Jamaicans and Black Americans. Kool Herc Carried Sound System Culture From Jamaica and Introduced to the U.S thats one Element of hip hope Jamaicans DJs used to turn over popular music Vinlys to the aversion side and talking over the instrumentals before the Americans introduced what is called Breaks. Stop Trying to go around Jamaicans some of the originall elements came from us. If we created the World wide phenomenon called Reggae and Dancehall irs not a stretch to see that we helped in the creation of hip hop. Even Reggaeton in Latin America came from Jamaican Dancehall.
Facts
@@deewight3991 stop putting words in cool Herc mouth. He has never said this. It was already a DJ culture here. Go listen to his interview with Davey D. He says exactly how and what he did.
Bro out of the entire interview this is what you and many commenters complain about. Well let's say we started hip hop. We damn sure don't run it do we? So that's another thing we can brag about starting and not controlling in the USA smh
@@djpioneer937Deejaying in Jamaica is not Being A Radio Jock. It's what Is Called Toasting and We have been Speakin over Beats from the 50s the only American artist that came close to that was Gil Scot Heron and his time Started in the 60s Before Hip Hop was even considered to be a Genre
I studied abroad in England for a school year. I will say I hung with carribeans only. They were welcoming and the closest to what I had in Oakland. Great time!!!!! It's crazy learning their parallels to us here.
You from Oakland? So am I.
Bay Area is family I'm from Los Angeles but my cousins from East Oakland Town bidness!! L A x BAY
@@terrelbrown3216 💯
When was this?
Because we really are family.
These other similarly melanated people.... no so much.
This is a good conversation family. So respectful and honest. ❤️
Theres always 👌 respect when tariq nasheed isnt around acting a fucking fool
Tariq isn't afraid to tell the immigrants the truth and he doesn't do sugar-coating videos.------
And that's viewed as disrespect by some but only when an FBA- Man fires back
@@esem135
I a Foundational Bm from America worked with an FBA Bw & friends who built a School in Kenya.
In fact you've had American Blks Establish a world class Hospital in Ghana, are and have built schools in Ghana ask Wode Maya.
Yet you have Somalians praising lynchings Confederate Soldiers and the KKK. And Ethiopians running off at the mouth perhaps they should research Tuskegee Airmen John C Robinson, and We are The World song written by Lionel Richie and Michael Jackson in 1985 for famine Relief.
But you've said nothing about their chatrooms why?
@@luckyandrews.566 OK, FBA are busy saving Africa when their own communities are lacking those facilities Amerikka. Give me a break!
@@makesyouwonder8735
I didn't say FBAs are saving Africa you did. I said that FBAs have built Schools across Africa Established a Hospital in Ghana assisted Blks in the Bahamas and Built a School in Jamacia and a lot more than that in the Diaspora that's never been recipocated ( not that we need it )
dispute what I'm saying.
You need to give me a break
It was never accepted or cool to be african until afrobeats came out
Music is fad and changes fast
@@criticalthinking2018 birthrate economic endeavours say no
@@user-hy4xz1qt9h at the end of the year there will be a new form of music that the youngsters will gravitate to
@@criticalthinking2018 afrobeats is the new pop. Its here to stay I know you want to slit ur self cause of it. Learn to dancev
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The British Carrebean vs British Afrikan was big when I was in England in the 90s, us Afrikans used to go at the British Carrebeans for not working, not studying hard and always being idle and in gangs, we never tried to understand the trauma they had been through, but we used to cross date each other's women, marriage was a problem. But we used to protect the Carrebeans from continuous abuse and racism.
Stay away from our woman
@@papajohns5849 ha,ha, ha, I already have Jamaican girlfriend little cry baby boy
@@papajohns5849 we've steal your women already
@@eastafrika728well your East African so that’s alright.
You didn't protect anything more than we did lmao
Oh come on, tensions in the UK between Africans and Caribbeans isn’t even as bad as it used to be. It may have been there decades ago, but you hardly find it anymore.
Nope still exists just like racism but it's less overt and more subtle
It's still there. I've had Africans say that we (caribbeans) are diluted Africans. And a british/Nigerianguys saying he didn't think I was Jamaican cos it seems like I had culture.
And they say these things just so! Just drop it in a convo for no reason!
@@Kayla-kd8ov those are just a few exeptions
@@Kayla-kd8ov yup
@@Kayla-kd8ov Is he insinuating Jamaicans have no culture? 🤔
African parents are more against their children marrying a Caribbean person. The Caribbeans were more flexible
Afro-Caribbean men have a bad reputation when it comes to women. Also a lot of Afro-Caribbean women are single mothers by thirty. Hence why African parents can be against Africans marrying Caribbeans.
Growing up in New Louisiana from Trinidad & Tobago household I have to say I got along good with my black Americans brothers.
Brotha Oshay...Jamaicans did not create Hip Hop that's historically inaccurate! It was invented by Black Americans which its roots goes back to the 1940's if not the 30's or even earlier. You got Pigmeat Markham (mid 60's), Frankie "Half Pint" Jaxon (mid 1920's), The Jubalaires (Gospel group in the 30's), and Lucille Bogan (The Original Queen Bee in the 30's), who are the true pioneers of what we call Hip Hop today. Did we Caribbeans contribute to Hip Hop? Absolutely, however we came it after it was created by Black Americans. No disrespect, I would have thought you knew this brotha and I am saying this as a Haitian-American, who grew up with Black Americans in the early 70's! You know the universal phrase "Throw ya hands in the air and wave em like ya just don't care"...well that was the invention of a Harlem cat by the name of DJ Anthony Holloway, Black American!
Also Jamaican "Toasting" came from Black American "Jive Talk!" Count Matchuki, Jamaican, the pioneer of Toasting is on record saying he got it from Black American disc jockey radio stations. Lastly, much respect to DJ Kool Herc for his contributions but he ain't the originator of Hip Hop nor the grandfather because he emigrated to the U.S in 1967. The numbers ain't adding up fam. He is also on record saying that he came after Hip Hop was invented by Black Americans. This narrative of not giving our Black American family credit for their inventions is blatantly ludicrous and willfully ignorant especially when it's well documented. I hope this comment doesn't get deleted as I'm here to provide truth and understanding and not division.
Toasting and Speaking over Beats Started in the 1950s in Jamaica
The Pioneer Prince Buster and DJ URoy. The first official DJ and toaster is Daddy UROY
Anyone remember Marcus Garvey?🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇱🇾
@@deewight3991 100% facts!!
@@lionhead1193 I can't forget him.
@@JasonSmith-cf8fz let him Know!! Facts!
Glad you know some history of the influence of the Caribbean in UK. knowledge of history always helps facts
I'm a black African born and raised in Britain (Liverpool) and this guy needs to stop. There is no beef betwen African and Carribeans here ON A SERIOUS LEVEL. None at all. Stop looking for stuff that ain't there. We get our hair cut in each others barbers and salons. Eat in each other restaurants. We have African and Carribean community centers and football teams (Soccer for my USA ppl) were every1 plays. We are only 3% of the population (And 60% of that 3% is in London). We date each other. We can't afford to be doing stupid tribal stuff and we don't.
If they have UK accent these days it's hard to tell who is from Africa or Carribbean. But even if you're a fresh off the boat African or Carribbean with your accent. We don't care. We have ppl like that in our family. So it's just a case "Ur blk. I'm blk. All good" then it comes about YOU the person.
Yes we acknowledge were we are from but it's kinda like at the level in the USA, were they maybe Irish American, German American, English American, Italian American, they have their own cultures, but they all still recognize they're still white and they dont really have any beef n hate for other white cultures. That's how it is really with black African and Carribbeans people in the UK.
Painting story of the past like it's in the present. He's Painting 60s,70,and late 80s. banter.
@@joanitamaaya exactly I grow up in the 80s so my family members use to talk about the 60s and 70s.
@@genuinediasporan6661 what he's saying is very true my uncle grew up in the 70s.
i totally agree. to be more specific, there is no beef between jamaicans and africans. quite the opposite. if i am not mistaken, i think there is even a no-visa agreement between jamaica and ghana. someone correct me if i am wrong.
Man said liverpool 🤣 You're definitely African. That's one of the only cities Africans outnumber Caribbeans by a decent amount.
Still at the beginning of the video.
I’m Nigerian and have lived in the UK for 24 years from a young age. I will say that my parent’s generation didn’t get along with Caribbeans, but my generation being a Millennial we get on just fine. There is no beef.
Because they thought they were better than the Caribbeans.... because they love the white man and whiteness so much.
No
But you can't dismiss that there was a history of this not getting along.
No disrespect to our Jamaican family but they did not create hip hop. They contributed but didn’t create it.
I thought dj herc got credited for creating hip hop
@@OshayDukeJackson When is come to the question of where rap music/hip hop comes from many of you Caribbeans are willing to go great lengths in order to claim something that is obviously not yours. First, music builds overtime and therefore many derivatives are created before and after it takes its commercial form. There are no known derivatives from the island that is comparable to rap/hip-hop music. Distinct derivatives are essential in establishing the stylistic origins and cultural origins of any music. The cadence which underpins any music also aids establishing cultural and stylistic origins as it will sound like people that created it. If you are stating that hip hop comes from the island then you are placing cultural and stylistic origins by definition. This is impossible as Hip hop sounds derives from black American music such as funk. Secondly, the cadence which underpins hip-hop is black American. The lyrical structure of raps derives from Black Americans, which has been documented as it goes back to slave plantations. That’s called linguistic origins, and Patwa doesn’t provide that. Plus, we have proof rapping from Jubalaires and Pigmeat Markham, and battle rapping lyrics/ poems from the ESPN documentary Ali raps. Plus, Herc stated that B boying comes from James Brown. The problem that islanders will have is that hip-hop was precipitated through an FBA lens and not a Caribbean one. Once we remove flat blackness from the conversation, the amount cultural appropriation and interloping becomes obvious. The only way to have prevented the former from being raised was for Jamaicans to bring a distinct finished product to the USA. I believe that Kool Herc is great organizer at best and an interloper at worst as most derivatives of hip-hop doesn’t come the islands.
Rap Hip Hop came from Black Americans yes Jamaican-Americans contributed but that's all it was a contribution. No disrespect to my caribbeans
@@OshayDukeJackson There were many DJs like Grandmaster DJ Flowers, Pete DJ Jones, and Kool DJ Dee. He gets credited with creating hip hop because he was the first to really blow up.
Hip hop was created by Africans
This guys seems to be choosing sides here , he is pointing fingers only to africans , he never mentioned how some carribeans were ashamed and talked bad about africa (just like many African Americans) , its not a one side thing , each groups need to improve the mentality
So true had it hard in school with they anti African name calling
We acknowledge that because many were on educated just like the ones in Africa who come over to Europe or America. Knowledge is power when you know thyself.
He did mention it but you didn't listen. He said vice versa many times. I hate when people refuse to watch and listen then make false commentary because they didn't hear what they wanted to hear.
Oshay initially had an African brother speak on this and he was even more questionable
@@TheRedstar212did he say carribeans used to make fun of someone being from africa and denying being from africa like it was this dark place, or he just said they were “bullying” africans , and then said that africans call them slave babys , i never heard that in uk , he never said carribeans are innocent but he didnt mention the dirty and low level comments some carribeans have towards africans , but he was quick to say the dirty comments from Africans . If someone from a diferent culture watches this video they will think that africans are worst that Carribeans
@@TheRedstar212 i used to think Jamaicans love africa because of what i heard in reggae music , that was until i arrived in London and saw how SOME feel better than Africans and hate being related to anything African ,i still have big respect for Carribeans in general but we cant deny what i said
Black people find time for this mess. We look for any reason to divide ourselves from classism to tribalism to Africans vs black Americans vs Caribbean’s, to Nigerians vs Ghanaians to East African vs West African. The white colonizers really did a number on us that runs so deep. I really wonder if we will ever unify. Good topic but it’s silly that we had to have this talk. Black is black we are not our own enemy. But we turn around and want acceptance and equality from our real enemy. We set our standards to the ones who deceived us.
It's very sad
@@joanitamaaya this is not history. There talking about what’s currently happening
It is so sad
@@esem135 this is just the point of view of 1 person being interviewed. Most people do not feel this way. I’m Caribbean and happily married to a Ghanaian and this topic never comes up. We respect each other’s cultures and when I go to Africa I am warmly welcomed. Africans for the most part in my opinion are very welcoming. I have friends from Nigeria, Ghana and Senegal no issues at all.
fact sis
I’m half Nigerian🇳🇬 & half Malawian🇲🇼 but I was born and raised in the US. The good thing about the US is that many Black Caribbeans and Black Africans usually get along well together in the US. I’m from Charlotte, NC and I have many great black friends who come from Jamaican families, Haitian families, Trinidadian families, Dominican families and etc.
So, to see that the Caribbeans and Africans have beef in the UK is very sad and funny because both communities have many cultural similarities especially in the food.
In new Jersey n NYC Caribbean and African people get along very well there is no dividing us
Elo Ndupu, You got along with Carribeans in the US because of a common hatred for black Americans.
This beef happened in the 1970s and 80s it is not like it used to be.
White British Society does not care whether you are from the Caribbean or Africa - we are all Black.
I am Ugandan born in London and grew up in the 70s and 80s. I have many friends from the Caribbean and we all get along now.
We don't have beef that's was soo early 90s and early 00s. I was literally hanging out with Carribean people yesterday don't listen to this nonsense
Don't believe the hype. There is no beef their just looking for views and likes - that's how they make money from TH-cam.
This was a great discussion. S/O to the Kenganda crew for this. It would be great to have the perspective of an African immigrant to round it out.
Black Americans and black Jamaicans have always got along well.
Because they have a shared history and were reared the same.
rap hip hop was created by us FBA. Not a jamaican or puerto rican.
The guy was not strictly accurate, earlier on, the Caribbeans in UK actually looked down on Africans, since they viewed Africans as not like them, "accustomed" to the "English/British" way of life (the irony...) They would make fun of an African's spoken accent, culture, fashion,.... ultimately African's aspirations and ambitions rubbed off, and paved the way for achievements....we're all friends now.... a thing some AA can learn from, instead of fermenting divisions...
True facts looks like he just saying things he want those so called FBA wants to hear.. When the Nigerians stood up to them they starting blaming Africans.
@@esem135 Bullies like it when you fight back.
@@esem135 bro is not like that anymore is mostly the older generation 40+ alot of people now have either an african and a xarribean parent
@@akendon7260 that's an interesting assessment considering we were the ones advocating for you to be here
@@willgggg900 so true now this is a different generation of children growing up not the old school generation back in the 60s and 70s I can only speak about the UK.
This subject is getting deeper and deeper ... I'm glad it's being debated about we hope to settle it once and for all
18:50 as a ghanian who was born italy I experience the same thing. Teachers would tell me to go to a lower level school because they "believed " it would be better for me smh
I went to Milan once, never again, things might have changed but back then they were not used to seeing black people in flashy clothes. Soon as we got on the subway everyone stared at us because we did not look like the typical immigrants (how can that refugee afford that jacket?). The worst part was seeing a pitch black security guard in almost every store we walked into, it felt very deliberate. I did not feel at home at all.
Caribbeans pioneered many music genres in the UK, not just reggae. They invented Jungle, Drum N Bass and Garage which sadly got appropriated by white people. Then Grime. Caribbeans had a huge influence on the dance music scene.
Now it's mainly African kids copying American drill music. But Caribbeans have been the most original and influential.
How can any African have the nerve to call anyone 'Slave children' when it was Africans who sold them into slavery! Have some self-awareness!
I have to agree with you. It is wrong that they call us slave children but it is mainly the Nigerians that say that.
Original and influential of what
It's not a lack of self-awareness, it's deliberate wickedness. They trafficked our people and then want to call us that? Demonic behaviour.
It is probably made up ,I’m African but I have never heard any African call any Caribbean that way
@@omzy8700One South African woman called me a mixed breed due to being Afro-Caribbean MGM/admixtures, one admixture being part Scottish due to my great grandfather being a Scottish man.
A very honest conversation. That British brother is a gem
All the discrimination experienced by Blacks in Britain that DJ Maintain spoke about whether it be in housing ("no Blacks, Dogs or Irish"), police harassment, racist attacks from Teddy boys, happened to ALL non-White people.
My parents came to UK from Uganda in 1962. My mother was spat at by a racist and told to go bact to Africa, and black children also suffered these abuses from white adults; in the 70s my Dad turned down council housing in Bermondsey, a place in London known for racist attacks against Blacks and Indians.
@@sylviamaua745 All non whites including mixed ND coloureds.
@@tombimashri8149 yes mixed race/Coloureds, Blacks and Indians were all targets of the racists - they only want white people in the Europe. There was also a political party called the National Front (NF) that use to campaign in local and national elections. The NF wanted to repatriatiate all non-white people to their countries of origin. Many of their members use to beat up Black and Asian people. There have even been murder cases - the most infamous was the murder of Stephen Lawrence in 1992 by a racist gang.
This was a pretty good interview,quite informative and easy spirited. Thanks
While I am glad these conversations are happening, please know that you are only scratching the surface. You must know the prevailing bitter roots. With in Africa some tribes don't want their current marrying outside of their culture. I am born outside of my culture and been like outcast for 40 years. I have lived most of my life in Africa and till now I am not sure where I belong. Learning about bitter roots while creating and environment for healing and reconciliation should be the main objective of such conversations otherwise the blame game only builds walls and no solutions.
Okay so then what are you doing to change it? Do something about it
@@Kenganda I have worked with over 100 young people in Uganda using art for social change. These have been mentored with some starting organizations to continue utilizing their craft of application. Streetlights Uganda led by Vicky and Rwadney is one of them. They have gone on to create platforms like Ntunga project for single mothers. I fled the country but planning to start a podcast to help in exploring this subject of fatherlessness. So I have done a lot of work. In this I was selected among Africa's best in 2015 via the Mandela Washington fellowship. I am aware of my responsibilities but not mental proof from the effects of the prevailing circumstances which almost got me contemplating suicide.
Awesome. Thank you
@@Kenganda Did you know that rastafarism is a religion that was started in Jamaica and spread to other places in the world.?
Today Rastas make up 8% of the Jamaican population and small 6% of the entire English Caribbean.
Still can't understand why some narrow minded fools use Rasta or some unkept person to depict us west Indians, is just mind boggling.So I guess I'll hold on to the Malnourished looking kid as the perfect image of an African.🤔
The French Africans and French Caribbean got along better than the English/Commonwealth countries it seems.
Interesting that Nigerians, Jamaicans, Afro-Americans are considered generally loud by others, and seems to reconstruct the English language (Pigeon, Patois, AAVE) to better to suit their needs. A lot of them are in fact the same group of people, over 50% of them and the African diaspora trace back to Nigeria genetically, 1 in 4 of the whole African Diaspora will likely have Nigerian genetics.
Caribbean people aren't all Jamaican. There are people from multiple islands.
@@listenup2882 And you are stating the obvious why? Where did I say that Jamaicans are the only Caribbeans on the planet? Not much of a contribution from you there is it, I am not responsible for your bad interpretation. you mention one group somebody get sensitive. The video clearly focused more on those groups during the conversation based on their larger numbers in the African Diaspora.
Genetic studies shows that blacks folks across the Caribbeans, Europe, North and South America trace heavily to Nigeria which has hundreds of Ethnic groups.
@@skyking3210 Perhaps it's obvious to you but I felt it important to point this out. Reading the comments I noted that many were speaking of a Jamaica/Africa rift. There's no reason to be upset. It is unfortunate that we are having this situation although I suspect this is being exaggerated.
@@listenup2882 I've never heard of a Jamaica/Africa rift.. if there was, that's something being pushed by wyte gov'ts.. ppl have been enamored with Jamaica for so long that others from Nigeria, Ghana, Honduras and other countries now live there.. if you visit you'll see ppl are proud to call themselves African, especially the Rastas - they hail Hailee Selassie of Ethiopia every chance
@@DV-lr8ec Trust me I know Jamaica lol. I was merely responding to the video.
As a Black American based in the UK, hes speaking 100% facts.
@@Adwoa_Agyei why?
Not about where hip-hop comes from.
A continental African who lived in London should be interviewed also to balance out the opinion of the African-Caribbean guest. The story of the victimization of Africans in the UK by African-Caribbeans should also be told. The looking-down-on-us card is sometimes overplayed and misused. The descendants of slavery on both sides of the Atlantic should own up to how some members of their communities treat continental Africans, with disrespect, contempt, and violence. This young guest has only painted a one sided picture about life in the black community in the UK. Hatred is on both sides. Many Africans were deported because they were reported to the immigration service.
He can only paint what he knows. stop trying to make it seem as though it was an agenda
.Yet again, another *sniff-sniff* snob
They always never mentioned how they treated continental Africans with contempts and made them feel ashamed of being Africans. They are always the victims. But now that continental Africans are fighting back they're complaining that Africans don't like them. They were the ones who shunned us first.
I hear some mad comments tbh it's guilt really though.
@IAS Production stop being a victim! Saw a lot of elitist coming from that continent. Many "slave babies" I saw tried to connect with the motherland, but yall, threw yall noses up at AA and Caribbeans...just admit it
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Jamaicans created hip hop? O’Shay, you really got to start doing more research before you speak on topics you don’t know about. Hip hop is a Black American creation, BA’s were rapping in the 1940’s. Name one song, beat, lyric from Dj Kool Herc? You can’t, you know why? Because he was just another contributor to what was already established. Kool Herc will tell you, when he played Caribbean music, no one would listen. This is why you’re wrong about FBA’s separating themselves, BA’s have been too welcoming to the point where BA’s start to believe false narratives when the Diaspora tries to steal our culture. Keep dropping ignorance, and Black Americans are going to unsubscribe.
Totally agree. It was ADOS FBA tht created Rap / hip hop. This is coming from a African guy also.
He on some bullshit. the black-spades are probably the most largest, single influence on the creation of hip hop.
stop crying and give credit where it is due; African-Americannsd were the main creators of Hip-Hop but so was Kool Herc...so was some Puerto Ricans; Hip-Hop was a NewYork thing not an 'FBA' thing
@maaruz1979 no, it was a Black American thing, everyone else emulated as usual, the same with every other art we've invented.
@@maaruz1979 no it wasn't a New York thing and Latinos came later
Gotta give it to you, great interview. That fence sitting is paying off.
Fence sitting? Smh
Great interview! Thanks for sharing your thoughts 💭! Appreciated!
The Caribbean Community from the 60s in the UK set the path. Having to deal with skinheads in NF, I do definitely think you can tell the difference between some African people and the Caribbean people in the Caribbean people I feel a lot more mixed genetically.
Exactly
Africans has been in Europe for ages. Spain for example. the african moors were there. NO such thing as a caribbean moor.
Yes Afro-Caribbeans and West Africans and other Africans can be very distinctive. Not all the time, but phenotype and mannerisms can give it a way. Yes a lot of Africans especially West Africans do dismiss that many Afro-Caribbeans are MGM/admixtures even though they classify themselves as Black. If you have a parent, grandparent or great grandparent who is mixed heritage then you have direct MGM/admixtures. Sometimes Africans will ignorantly dismiss this, especially if they have no direct admixtures in their own families.
@16:12 Point of correction, Ghana has never had a civil war
It's interesting to see the similar mindset of the British Caribbeans and the Black Americans. But what's more interesting was the divisive propaganda DJ Maintain mentioned that was used by the British media. It successfully kept the two groups at each other's throats.
Stop using the media as an excuse. If the media said, "Go and kill yourself, " would you do it?
Kool Herc was an early adopter of Hiphop who helped to spread it throughout NY but he did not create it. He said this out of his own mouth Hiphop was around way before his fabled party in 73. And where did you hear that Jay-Z farther was Jamaican?? His lineage is American. His great grandfather Adnis D. Reeves was born August 1913 in Louisiana, United States. I fw your content but you gotta be more responsible with this platform bro. You say something like this and we be fighting Caribbean's for the next 6 months. Tighten up big dawg.
Nigerians are loud! So are Congolese! Not sure about some of the claims here.
My best friend is from Barbados and I'm Black American B1 FBA to the fullest we always ride together! We only had problems with mexicans and whites here in L.A.
See these non blacks don't like us
Africans worship whites fools! Africans only want people of color resources in America.
great convo! We now know that we have more similarities than differences.
Education is none negotiable for most Africans!!! Nigerian are usually told you are either a Dr or Lawyer or Engineer..... things are however much better btw Africans and Caribbeans!
"British African." It's mainly Nigerians and Ghanaians, and most of it comes from Jamaicans bullying them when they first arrived. This new generation of Somali trolls on the internet are lashing out for the same reason but their beef is with everyone. I've lived in the UK, dated from all three communities, and they all said the same thing. "We're marrying our own." Even though we all get along these three major communities tend to cluster among their own but this is quite normal among immigrant communities. Indians and Pakistanis do the same thing. Not gonna lie though, Jamaicans are loud as hell, a date to my local barbershop was like a screaming contest, it takes some getting used to. 😂 There were many times they'd stop in the middle of a haircut and start arguing. 😂 And in regards to Juanita, East Africans consider West Africans loud (well mainly Nigerians and maybe Ghanaians) but it's the truth. I was sitting on the bus one day when a Nigerian guy started screaming at the top of his lungs, I thought it was a joke at first but this guy was really talking on the phone. The whole bus was staring at him. I'd say East and South Africans are more similar in that regard.
I died when you said, they would argue in the middle of a haircut. lmaooooooooo that is so West Indian lmaoooo
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Lmao I love my Carribean people. ❤
@@kr3539 is we dat a season di world with salt and Peppa fi di flavor lmaoo
😂😂 dying from your comment so Tru I'm carribean. Some people think they are fighting but they just be having a chat 😂
@@ynow9722 facts lmao
A Jamaican did NOT create hip hop.
Jay-Z does not have a caribbean father.
Jay z is Haitian half
Most African Americans don't realise that most people in America who look black and are dominating the entertainment sector have Caribbean or African descent. I doubt you have any black FBA remaining. Interbreeding among races is doing a number on them
Let them tell there isn’t any issues between them in the UK ☕️
Its the same story for black people every where I guess, easily divided just a different country thats all..just goes to show how stupid these 'beefs' really are
@D&B 💯
@@taniamarie2486 still have issues
Since this "beef" is so real between Africans and Caribbeans,how come the movie "Black Panther" from Marvel is still extremely popular amongst all African people worldwide????? The African Diaspora needs to genuinely unite in every way,not just sexually.All the other races worldwide been doing this overall.We need to follow the positives,not the negatives of all the other races,period.
Cousin reality Black Panther and Wakanda what about black native American people the Panthers a warrior of the Americas warrior what kind of represents what kind of springs does the holy baptism in the Americas the great spirit check out “KURIMEO ahau “ TH-cam channels got descriptors documentation journals he felt off of the library’s online ring the bars from the 1314 1500 scriptures of our people in the Americas we’ve been here we’re not African we need to start selling that to let these people know we ain’t sleeping babies were from loyalty a great beautiful nation of people culture unlike any other
That movie is not popular outside of black people that love the pandering Disney and racist white liberals do.
Most Caribbean and Africans don't care or for or were excited for it. The sequel did worse. Boondocks is a black American cartoon that started nearly 10 years ago and it's popular among all the diaspora.
Africans were in UK centuries before windrush.
You just don't know about it,weve always been here.
nope
Lies
@@Adwoa_Agyei Liverpool was built by African slaves, long before carribeans came.
African Roman emperor Septimus conquered England and set up the square settings you see in London even today.
By the way,if it wasn't for us Africans,there will be no carribeans.
i am Fba and i knew of that also. Africans been around million of years ago like the Black american indians.
That happens when I was In school a lot of Africans use to say the Jamaican but me and my friends never we were always africans everyone liked us never had any issues with the Caribbean’s in the 80s and the 90s most of my friends are Jamaicans Trinidadians Nigerians Ghanaians Congolese Ugandans racism brought us together we use to fight a lot of racist people in London
Bro stop that Jamaicans created hop hop Bullshit...we didn't need help creating gospel, blues,jazz, rock n roll, or everything else and we damn sure didn't need Jamaicans for hip hop..stop culture vulturing..FBA B1
Thank You
African intellectual Dr John Henry Clarke once quoted as saying, we as Africans have no friends only each other. So, are we indulging in foolishness, when our unique differences can actually unite us. We have powerful gifts, so, rise together, share our experiences to enhance our knowledge and understanding of each other. Prejudices and ignorance keep us gridlocked.
Nigerians are loud too!
It’s no longer beef at this point . Not between the youth
Because they leech off our culture.
I'm Jamaican and my best friends here in Nottingham UK where I live are Ghanaian, my niece,my cousins daughter have got Nigerian partners and my cousin in London is married to a Ghanaian woman a few Years ago I had a Ghanaian student living with me for about one and a half years.
eh I had white friends growing up too but understood white people may have had stereotypes about me as a black person.
I did notice little things when I was younger but it was never open. Africans hold stereotypes but won't necessarily say anything especially older ones nowadays. I thought everything was cool until 2012 twitter Nigerian vs jamaican and my Nigerian friends started asking if I knew my dad? Blindsided me lmao and while they weren't being malicious and it was banter made me aware of what folks thought about west indians
@@TheRedstar212 There are thousands of Africans living in Jamaica the biggest heart clinic in Jamaica is owned by a Nigerian my youngest brother in Jamaica told me his teacher is Ghanaian the only fully authentic African restaurant in the Caribbean is in Kingston Jamaica
@@erroltaylor8558 You're not proving the point you may seem to think you are. There's more jamaicans abroad in Africa than Africans in Jamaica lol 😆
@@TheRedstar212 I've got no point to prove I'm only stating facts, it's of no surprise that a huge continent like Africa would have more Jamaicans living there than Africans living in Jamaica.
@@TheRedstar212 I like how you guys love to pretend as if the disdain doesn't go both ways.
I live in the UK. I have been living in the UK for 30 years now. I had all my children in the UK. There was no beef between Afro Caribbeans and British Africans. Probably, in the past. Bring such an issue out now is like rekindling past banter on TH-cam. Britain is not like America, where black folks are desperately trying hard to be native Americans. Either Caribbean blacks or African British,we know where we belong.
You are a perfect example of the problem.
Explain I'm Jamaican
@O.G. Millennials '81 [Over The Hill] How? Don't stop there. Explain how? I have lived in North London for ten years,lived in Brixton for 6 years, now living in Bexleyhealth. My children grew up with Afro Caribbeans, and my best friend is from St Lucia. She had been on holiday with us to Nigeria. Yes, there are gangs in the UK but not based on being Caribbean, British, or African British. Yes, when I came to the UK in the 80s, There were such Caribbean vs. Africans,but not now. Hardly you would notice the difference between us. This interview is more like looking to wake up what's buried. Britain is not like America. 98% of British Blacks have passports. They are knowledgeable of their surroundings and where their ancestors came from. They are not desperate to be indigenous Black British.
@@genuinediasporan6661 Also Black Americans must stop their indigenous bullshit, they painting a bad picture as if blacks are not proud of Africa.
@@eberhard1991 I ain't gonna pop down fba tbh they deserve reparations and the native link isn't a ridiculous claim uk is different it's just knowing in deep within that being an anglophile will make you hate yourself.
All I know is that I have met lots of Caribbeans that are pretty nice though not saying that there is no bad ones amongst them. But I once lived in the Netherlands were I met some of the Caribbeans that are so nasty towards Africans but I believe that most of these people only sees themselves so superiors but while living there I noticed that some of their ladies started dating some Nigerians and most 9f them quickly noticed our ways of doing things and because of that many began to change their perspectives, therefore I would rather say that most of these people from the Caribbeans, Latin America and US are purely ignorant about whom Africans are, its purely a matter of not knowing anything about Africa
Knowledge is power if you ain't got that then you're lost and you will be ignorant to other people's culture.
The ignorance is on both sides. Many Africans are ignorant about Caribbean people and dismiss them as slaves.
@@listenup2882 They should not dismiss us as slaves. They are just a hateful and prejudice set of people
@@listenup2882 who dismissed you as a slave?
Anti-African mindset is global, they have learned it from Europeans.
Great 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
Juanita is gorgeous. Love her hair.
West Africans are very loud also.
that's where Caribbean and african american get the loudness from this guys doesn't know that ite where they got it from. untile today west african are loud and then east africans more soft spoken.
The Caribbeans came to rebuild England. Instead of building there own nations. The Africans came to rebuild England instead of their nations. Define irony 🤔🤔
Africans didn't come to rebuild.
@@davidnorman4612 I know 😅😅😅😅
Because the British Caribbean were still colonies lol
Africans came to chop England Lool about build we chopping and sending the money back home building shit up
This is a big big conversation with nuances that cant be captured in a monolithic way by one person either a black British african or a black British carribean or a black British mixed African carribean at this point. It's a topic that no black British platforms or popular TH-cam channels have gone into at length. I'd say the consensus is that the tension between the two groups died down with those who were In their teens in the early 2000s when grime music was gaining ground and the rise of Channel U and funky house music where the British african participation in British black music was becoming unashamedly evident. I think pre 2000 British Africans used to hide or maybe distance from British carribeans who might tease you for being African but then a few years after things changed. Personally I don't think the tension was necessarily ever that deep and at this point theres alof of fluid interaction and mixing now. What makes this interesting as a conservation is I myself grew up in Coventry n have mostly lived in and so because Africans moved in numbers to Coventry after 2000 the familiarity with the carribean community was less than in London where Africans had been much earlier. In fact I had moved out of London n to Coventry in the mid 90s. British Congolese here but wa gwan no wahala at the same time...my friends are an assortment of various carribeans AND Africans.. one love
He was right that more African parents have a principled mindset upon education and business than the Caribbean ones. I think Caribbean focused on getting a job.
Yep I agree. I lived in multiple Jamaican homes, and they didn't talk about education like that.
Not like how African households do
@@Kayla-kd8ov How many African households have you lived in?
@@Kayla-kd8ov Because education doesn't necessarily translate to wealth for us because we were historically locked out of it. We didn't have the privilege to come here just to study like a lot of Africans who came later did. The focus has always been about getting a job, having side hustles and sending A LOT of that money back home.
That being said statistics don't lie and in almost every other metric Caribbeans outperform Africans. We hold more wealth, have more home ownership and have contributed massively to the cultural identity of black Britain. It's what it is at the end of the day.
@Kayla💕💕 That's new though or maybe because I'm from the rural area and education is a must for Jamaicans where I'm from
@Kayla💕💕 That's new though or maybe because I'm from the rural area and education is
This is odd two black immigrant groups beefing in the UK, its a little different from Black caribbeans and africans beef with native born U.S blacks
African Americans are not native born you m0r0n!
Thank you for having me on your platform. The conversation is one that is needed albeit triggering. Im only speaking from experience I don’t speak for all British Caribbeans who have lived in the uk for a period of time ✌🏾
You rocked it!!
@@Kenganda Just to clarify oshay they were pushing a lot of stereotypes that weren't even true. For example the Idea that Caribbean migrants were "lazy and uneducated" This was a myth especially in regards to the first and second wave of Caribbean migrants. The vast majority had an occupation that they were coming to.
Infact there were actually Africans already here before West Indians reffered to as the "Black poor" who Caribbean migrants were praised over for being more "Skilled and hard-working" even a lot of black brits don't know this because they've not done the research and instead force-fed American civil rights history etc
I always found it funny how supposedly "educated" Africans fell so easily to western stereotypes and propaganda.
Also to note while African children excel in education. Caribbeans have higher rates of home ownership, less likely to work menial jobs. Think African taxi drivers, janitors/cleaners etc basically all the jobs you'd think an African uncle to work.
Furthermore Caribbean households have a higher household income. Caribbean women on average earn more than African women etc. Caribbean men are the ones that "underperform" but still we aren't far off considering the systemic discrimination meted out specifically on Wesr indian men. Like @Maintaindj mentioned when speaking about his father and the "teddy boys" aka skinheads and the police. West Indian men were on the frontlines and as a result too many were falsely accused/arrested and charged and of that many were incarcerated.
Also Caribbeans/WI were speaking out against the system before the bulk of Africans were even here. I believe there's a book that was published in the 70's about the purposeful miseducation of Caribbeans/WI especially the boys. The book is titled "How the West Indian Child is Made Educationally Sub-normal in the British School System.
Unfortunately Africans were propped up as a "model minority" in education to cover the failings of the system an as such till today there's been no real efforts to address it. The Caribbean community had to do for self using group economics to rent/purchase property in order to survive.
It's not even specifically Africans that benfitted. There was a term coined which was "Politically black" where even Asians at the time would co-opt a black/ethnic minority Political identity. Indians/Pakistani's benefitted heavily from Caribbeans/WI and our civil rights movement taking inspiration from black americans.
Till this day black british cultures main influences are that of Caribbeans and AA/BA. The leading pioneers of UK afro-beats take inspiration from America and the Caribbean/WI.
I don't have an issue with Africans however I do notice some of have too much ego to admit that it wasn't their sole "Hardwork and drive" that allowed them to thrive and that it took Blood, sweat and tears by native blacks.
Africans were here already and weren't really going on with anything. You had elite africans and the "Black poor" so it's not like they were not already here but they posed no threat to the system.
@@TheRedstar212 thank you for the breakdown I will look out for the book you mentioned.
Thanks for sharing your story very well needed perspective
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It's crazy to hear a Carribean speak as if they have more legitimacy to be in a coloniser's country. The Windrush generation arrived in the late 40's but the mass immigration happened in the 50's and 60's, and as you mentioned before the African presence in the UK predates that by centuries, but why is it that you call those people "African" when they are no different than the West Indian/American slaves that were taken to the colonies? You can't one second say that "Africans" were already there and then turn around and say that it was the hard work of "native blacks" that allowed Africans to thrive, while also diminishing the earlier settlers' presence by saying that they "weren't really going on with anything." Despite what your British passport might say you're an immigrant like everyone else. Arriving one generation earlier doesn't make you a native.
The Africans were the ones who continue to have a working relationship that was fairly positive with the British after they sold us. Not only that the Africans after the slave trade ended and it was more colonization many of them serve that's the administrators in between the British empire and their own people.
This is ahistorical lol
@@showcrime7332 it's historical the British created a whole class of sellouts because they were not going to stay in Africa to rule. They started off making a bunch of mixed race ones until they were able to get the full blooded ones in line. Some of them sellouts got ran out and had to go to the UK or US so the other Africans wouldn't slit their throats
Some people will look at this video and only see the negatives 🤦🏿♂️
Lol what a load of lies. You need to get someone honest to tell the tails. What the DJ forgot to mention was how unwelcoming the Caribbean community where towards Africans. Ask him to tell you about the school days. Also oshey do your own research about it. The elitism came from the educated flock from both communities.The rastas where the nicest and coolest. The truth is some Caribbean’s didn’t like Africans and some Africans didn’t like Caribbean’s. Ask the DJ about the term DUTY AFRICAN
This is incredibly interesting. This is even a problem in the UK. A certain group of people are a problem no matter what country they're in.
Facts!!!
Yeah the people orchastrating the division thats who, I am sure you know who they are. They have always used the divide and conquer technique for centuries..they work in unity with each other along racial lines across the world while playing the divide and conquer game on others to keep their grip on power.
@@monzelundazi7640 Nope. Not what I meant.
Oh, then you are playing their game (knowingly or knowingly
Quit this ignorance just to maintain your small minded views, the guy was not strictly accurate, earlier on, the Caribbeans in UK actually looked down on Africans, since they viewed Africans as not like them, "accustomed" to the "English/British" way of life (the irony...) They would make fun of an African's spoken accent, culture, fashion,.... ultimately African's aspirations and ambitions rubbed off, and paved the way for achievements....we're all friends now.... a thing some AA can learn from, instead of fermenting divisions...
Interesting and relevant topic.. Especially for those of us African heritage folk who date our carribbean sisters, and vice versa, we transcend that latent ignorance from especially those before us who inadvertently help the enemy of both of us do his job!
I find a lot more African men especially West African men are really interested in Afro-Caribbean woman more than their own West African women. There are less Afro-Caribbean men interested in African women especially West African women, but this seems to be changing and gradually increasing.
it all started in jamaica that small land in the sun.🏝🌅🎤rip daddy u roy
Im studying trans-atlantic slave trade in Southern Angola using african sources alone. I tell you the reason why blacks sold each other into slavery is the lack of unity and viewing other blacks as being different from them (tribes were important than the black skin). This way of thinking still persist to this day among black people. We got blacks who feels like they are more black than others. We got blacks who feel less black than Africans ect. White people took advantage of this to exploit our ancestors and unless we are united we will remain the lowest race on this earth. No other race that is self hating it's only us blacks. Shame !!!
Skin is irrelevant. If you haven't learned that by now there's no hope for you.
@@o.g.millennials What do you mean skin is irrelevant? It's 2 am here in Africa, i got to sleep now. But I would like you to elaborate by skin being irrelevent.
Booooooo...😄
Real talk they exploited our differences
100%
The Interviewee is talking truth👏🏾👏🏾 I’m Kenyan and came to U.K. in 97 as a 9 yo and he literally described my growing up.
There was definitely tension between the caribbeans and Africans. Old school dancehall like the era of TOK,Elephant Man and co was ruling and Africans were influenced to the point in school we were talking Jamaican slangs and would go to dancehall raves. Africans were seen as less than. The issue of looking down on Caribbean’s more specifically Jamaicans is more of a thing that was always there like “the don’t marry and just cohabit. We were warned off Jamaican men though there were some hotties with slick tongues🤣However a lot of the stigma is now broken down as I’ve had a lot of African and Carribean marriages and alliance. On the side note in the 70s or 80s my Dad who was in the army did once say to me though that he was once stopped and the Caribbean people used to always say to him. “You people sold us”. I believe this May be part basis for the tension but hey I only know soo much. However love my Caribbean people and have been privileged to have an eclectic fusion of different cultures from my Ghana 🇬🇭 🇳🇬 🇹🇹 🇯🇲 🇰🇪 Tanzania 🇹🇿 boiii I fit carry on for a while!enjoyed his interview a lot!! Bless u all. Lest we forget that we are one and must behave as such to ensure that we build and fortify our family dynamics, our wealth and resources and most importantly community cohesion in knowing that we are one. The sooner we do this and have pride in doing so will be a force to reckon with as per the Melanated Kings and Queens.
Beautiful lady. Great Panel
Ive lived in both the uk and the states and noticed theirs much better harmony overseas ive noticed both caribeans and africans in the uk fighting over who can be the most british this is a result of colonialism i have caribean inlaws and we found a happy medium a lot of the conflict has been engineered lot of caribeans today have forgotten the struggle of the windrush generation who set very high standards for black people in britain and this new generation tends to want to integrate more with the caucasian community and have lost roots with their foundation thats where i see the issue
No the truth is they cut off the Caribbean from time ago. British-Caribbeans are more isolated than we have ever been. Immigration is the only way for minority groups to stain their way of life and cultures from back home.
It's not for nothing that Caribbeans, especially those from Jamaica, referred to UK as "motherland", I am not joking 😂😂😂😂😂 so does not take a rocket scientist to piece together the confusion. Africans, till the 80's, simply came to study and f@cked right back to their country, they didn't hang around for all the mess....😂😂😂
Integrating with Caucasian communities is not it. A lot of Caribbean communities had high price living since the 90s when the entire UK when into a financial crisis! Many people took der British children back to the Caribbean, New York and Chicago. Since COVID a lot of the remaining Caribbeans have moved to Essex and Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire white areas. Many black people of different ethnicities are now buying up homes. The market mainly had whites, Asians and North Africans and many didn't improve the interior quality but jacked up the prices. Biggest Caribbeans communities wer in London (expensive) and that is where they arrived of the ship and located by the British for better opportunities. Many black people in England of African & Caribbean descent do not know the actual history and struggle and don't even WANT TO KNOW. This new generation of Africans & Caribbeans want a fast life and American culture!
@UCOZWrAoMeuMSFY0dgEn2ecg this is why its good to sit down and reason with one another to get a full understanding of the complexities, each one teach one
The Windrush Generation spent most of their time battling for equality instead of building anything. Asians focused on business and finance.
Great interview 👍🏿
You guys have to take this discussion to a more mature level. An African woman telling his son to be careful of African Americans can be understood only if you understand history and can apply it to the discussion objectively. But if you low level the discussion only to stereotypes like lazy, bad people, without quantifying and qualifying the historical root causes then we may only be inflaming and misinforming people. People are so aware of what was/is going on that they are not ready to digest emotions without facts.
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Black American mothers have never told their children that about Africans or Caribbeans. We accept people based on their skin color looking as ours. But given what we know now, we have no other choice but to end that, pronto! I appreciate your statements, but NO African woman can tell her son to watch out for Black Americans until she tells him to watch out for the Africans from their homeland and that's facts. Before you throw a rock, you had better make sure your house is not made of glass for the stones that are going to get thrown back at you! That's what Africans are getting in the U.S. now and it is something that they caused themselves.
@@msrubie11 mic drop! 🎤
Yes, Africans looked at us as slave babies but the Caribbean people thought that Africans believed in polygamy so Jamaican parents were. against that.
The black Americans and the Carribean were the first ones in these two countries, the blacks from Africa come in and look down on them after they did the hard work that benefited them.
Umm teddy boys didn't wear doc Martens☺️☺️, those were mods, punk rockers and skinheads, teddy's wore winkle picker shoes!!!
When is come to the question of where rap music/hip hop comes from many of you Caribbeans are willing to go great lengths in order to claim something that is obviously not yours. First, music builds overtime and therefore many derivatives are created before and after it takes its commercial form. There are no known derivatives from the island that is comparable to rap/hip-hop music. Distinct derivatives are essential in establishing the stylistic origins and cultural origins of any music. The cadence which underpins any music also aids establishing cultural and stylistic origins as it will sound like people that created it. If you are stating that hip hop comes from the island then you are placing cultural and stylistic origins by definition. This is impossible as Hip hop sounds derives from black American music such as funk. Secondly, the cadence which underpins hip-hop is black American. The lyrical structure of raps derives from Black Americans, which has been documented as it goes back to slave plantations. That’s called linguistic origins, and Patwa doesn’t provide that. Plus, we have proof rapping from Jubalaires and Pigmeat Markham, and battle rapping lyrics/ poems from the ESPN documentary Ali raps. Plus, Herc stated that B boying comes from James Brown. The problem that islanders will have is that hip-hop was precipitated through an FBA lens and not a Caribbean one. Once we remove flat blackness from the conversation, the amount cultural appropriation and interloping becomes obvious. The only way to have prevented the former from being raised was for Jamaicans to bring a distinct finished product to the USA. I believe that Kool Herc is great organizer at best and a interloper at worst as most derivatives of hip-hop doesn’t come the islands.
facts !! I love my caribbeans people but rap and hiphop was created by Black Americans solely. Yes some early adopters were Jamaican but the sound the culture everything was black american. Those Jamaicans didn't get that sound from Jamaica it was New York Burroughs they got this from nothing to do with Janaica. Reggae was it's own thing and salute to it bc it's massive in influence and popularity but Rap and HipHop was a black american creation.
The problem is that some black Americans like to carry on that they were the first people to invent black music.🙄
@@anitadavis3111 who ever said that? Reggae was created by caribbeans.
@@terrelbrown3216 you sound dumb do you know the history of reggae music.🙄
@Anita Davis reggae was created by Jamaicans in Jamaica that had influence from jazz blues and soul. where is the lie? you the only one who sounds dumb bc u didn't refute shit just made a random statement lol wierdo
By the way I Love the Studio, the sound and euquipment very professional
There was a whole documentary on this about in the '80s how the British Africans in the British Caribbeans did not like each other and the tensions that they had it been talking about a lot of times I'm African-American I know this that's why when everybody talks bad on African Americans I always say this is natural to opposing groups with different backgrounds they are put together because their skin color has always had friction if you are the new person on the block or you're both fighting for the same resources in your opinion there's going to be frictions between two groups that's why I hate when people blame African-Americans for this it's natural
What's the name of the documentary?
Africa and its diaspora will be just fine.
This guy is talking bias a lot of the problems were Jamaicans calling us African bubu they don’t even think they are Africans
There's also some beef here in France between the French carribeans and the French Africans
French carribeans and French Africans? Sounds kind of silly, don't you think so.
@@jayjones251 what exactly sound silly??
@@bashengatheblackmanta7003 the labels French African and French Carribean. Sounds made-up
@@jayjones251it shouldn't sound weird to you since the term "African American" exist.
] you do know that there are black people living in France, they are either from the carribean or from the African continent.
@bashenga 🇭🇹 yes I'm aware of black folks living other places. Black americans' situation is different. They're in their own country. Carribeans and Africans shouldn't label themselves differently because they are still freshly from the continent or islands. Also, French means European
I used to find it weird when Caribeans in America say stuff about black Americans, I'm like that's what Africans say about you in the UK. Later found out the class of Caribeans in the US is not the same as those who came to the UK. But Nigerians see you as almost the same, so no need to sepearte yourself. Always bet on BLACK.
Africans are Black. Indigenous Africans anyway.
Caribbeans and africans are totally something different...
@@ForeignBlasianLA of course, you’re white!
@@antnam4406 nigga who is white I'm Guyanese and Filipino
@@ForeignBlasianLA He's referring to afro Caribbean. Everything here is about Afro descendants
As a Londoner I grew up seeing the tension between us Africans vs Jamaican! To the point it became regional, Peckham (Africans) vs Brixton (Jamaicans). As someone who grew up around Brixton people thought I was from Peckham because I’m African. The tension is still there but not as bad as it was in the 80-90s. I’m actually married to a Jamaican and in the pass I dated both Caribbean and African women but most of them were Caribbean come to think of it.
Wrong wrong Jamaicans didn't invent hip-hop
Let them have it's such a demonic form of music
facts, totally wrong.
Is not like that anymore is mosty the older generation and that was way back then lol
This kind of division between Africans and Carribeans occured in the UK at its height well over 20 years ago. Its not really a big issue like that anymore. These days there is a lot of integration between Africans & Caribbeans. What Im wondering is what is the motives for pushing this narrative? Seems to me the threats of Tariq Nasheed about you criticizing him has got to you, with the amount of posts ive seen you do lately about "Black Immigrants" Its not them starting unecessary beefs with every other black in the world.
Because a lot of people like to paint this narrative that only black Americans create problems and we're so lost but this dynamic happened in another western society and the attitudes were/are the same. They were just arguing over afrobeats at Nottingham carnival.
Damn here in US it is Caribbean & Africans against AA
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Jamaicans did not create hip hop.... Stop It. Tariq already debunked that....
@@JasonSmith-cf8fz 🤣 All you doing is describing a of bunch grifters and cultural appropriators and interlopers. What distinct derivatives did you guys bring over? Please do not list any FBA elements and derivatives.
Anyone remember Marcus Garvey?🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
@@JasonSmith-cf8fz Stop The Cap....
Tariq this and that, y'all must love that guy
@@oluwadamilola6233 You sound like an immigrant......
I heard Toronto was having the same issues as UK.