DEBATE: Is Immigration Good For Britain?

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  • Konstantin Kisin and Matthew Goodwin take on Aaron Bastani and Polly Toynbee, debating what is described as one of the most 'divisive' talking points in 2024...
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  • @triggerpod
    @triggerpod  หลายเดือนก่อน +92

    What debates do you want to see next on the channel? 👇

    • @tylerblack676
      @tylerblack676 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why male suicide isn't a national scandal would be a good one. Or why rape conviction rates aren't a national scandal. I don't know why the woke cult have a monopoly on what society is allowed to be offended by.

    • @markoarcabic
      @markoarcabic หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Honestly, a good one and a continued one with Bastani, would love to see one with Hitchens, with unlimited time on it of course, possibly two of them, and the duo, maybe with some strong tea...

    • @MissTryALot
      @MissTryALot หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      I haven't listened yet I already feel as though you are wasting everyone's time debating over such an introductory question such as this on the topic of immigration.
      All your viewers could answer this question in a sentence.
      I would like for you to have more debates and conversations on immigration, however I hope that next time you will start with a question or statement that's much further along into the subject so no time will be wasted scratching the surface.
      I promise you your audience can handle it.

    • @RandoBurner
      @RandoBurner หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Are all cultures just different, or better/worse? Is it possible that large swathes of the earth to be in worse cultures?
      Or: has the west gotten rich because of exploiting others or because of better values, practices, interests, moral righteousness on the average?

    • @MissTryALot
      @MissTryALot หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I want to be clear that I've followed you guys for a long time and respect you both. I wouldn't bother giving the feedback otherwise.
      Not Anton though, he should be fired for this!! 😉

  • @jieli4589
    @jieli4589 หลายเดือนก่อน +884

    Polly immediately twisted opposition’s position into deporting all immigrants 😅

    • @Tommo77ful
      @Tommo77ful หลายเดือนก่อน +140

      She lost me at her first sentence.

    • @rosgill6
      @rosgill6 หลายเดือนก่อน +63

      Yeah she has to make up a position to stand against

    • @sdrawkcabUK
      @sdrawkcabUK หลายเดือนก่อน +95

      Hilarious seeing a Guardian columnist providing almost exclusively an economic case for immigration. The upper class always look after their own.

    • @Matthewt756
      @Matthewt756 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What’s wrong with deporting all of them?

    • @nevbarnes1034
      @nevbarnes1034 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

      Classic straw man argument.

  • @AFGuidesHD
    @AFGuidesHD หลายเดือนก่อน +88

    Its so traditionally classical for Polly to open with the "but who will clean the toilets and serve my pret" argument.

    • @benbeasant3443
      @benbeasant3443 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Well she does live in Hampstead like a true socialist.

  • @evaadams4243
    @evaadams4243 หลายเดือนก่อน +223

    I am a Filipino nurse but I want to assimilate to the English culture and not the other way around. I respect what the forefathers of this country had done for the sake of the British population. It was meant to be for the British and those who come over here should absorb their culture and love the British culture. Period.

    • @jfro5867
      @jfro5867 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      Bless you Eva. Hope things go well for you 👍

    • @xMoomin
      @xMoomin หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      which is all we can wish for, we thank you for choosing here

    • @Moonuuu
      @Moonuuu หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They make you colony

    • @evaadams4243
      @evaadams4243 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@basilmagnanimous7011 I hear you. But you NEED us... Desperately!

    • @jpz6817
      @jpz6817 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That is because that Filipino immigrants are part of the few that actually respect and benefit our country, unlike the Africans and Arabian immigrants who come here for benefits.

  • @baltasarnoreno5973
    @baltasarnoreno5973 หลายเดือนก่อน +172

    Why the hell are foreign students allowed to bring in their families? What a bloody joke!! I did a degree abroad and the very idea of havimg my mum or partner come with me never even passed through my mind.

    • @Lyn-in-Herts
      @Lyn-in-Herts หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Exactly ! They're not proper students.....the Universities are a gateway. So many of the 'students' don't even turn up after the first few lessons.

    • @IhaveBigFeet
      @IhaveBigFeet หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s very weird that, I suppose the culture of Indians is so different to that of us Europeans. I remember when I was at Uni, my housemate/friend said his Dad is coming to stay with us for just a week and all of us were like that is quite strange as we lived in a student accommodation. Meanwhile Indian students come and bring along with them 65 siblings, 3 mother and 7 fathers.

    • @towmee
      @towmee หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Not just any students. It’s usually PhD level or research-based Master’s. They can bring a spouse and children under 18.

    • @stevenbingham4828
      @stevenbingham4828 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@towmee well said: I believe it prudent for others to ensure they have accurate facts before commenting on important matters. The ‘real issue’ lies in the leadership of our country, not solely in migrants. Illegal immigration is the most pressing challenge that needs addressing, I'm not qualified to suggest specific solutions that’s not in my pay-grade. My parents, like many others, are immigrants from the Windrush generation, I also wish to highlight the immigrant roots of ‘much’ of the British population on this ‘Island’. It's crucial for all of us to tackle these issues without resorting to xenophobic rhetoric, which always rears its ugly head during election season, I wonder why? Instead, we should focus on addressing systemic problems such as our governments mismanagement, lack of investment, and widening wealth inequality, which affects all our citizens, regardless of their background but hurts the poor more regardless of colour/ background while they fatten their bank balances along with their friends. That’s the real problem if poor people became more informed and voted diligently then we will demand and have real change.

    • @stevenbingham4828
      @stevenbingham4828 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Also the speed of how we process people is a ‘HUGE’ problem.

  • @BaiHuJ
    @BaiHuJ หลายเดือนก่อน +323

    The very first thing the Guardian columnist opens with is the most bad faith, unrealistic argument imaginable. It's all they know.

    • @Torquemadia
      @Torquemadia หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Which Guardian columnist are you referring to?
      I'm pretty certain that at least 3 people on the panel have been published in the Guardian.

    • @heycidskyja4668
      @heycidskyja4668 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      @@Torquemadia Come on now. Really.

    • @ScoopDogg
      @ScoopDogg หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      ​@@Torquemadiadoh, how do I know the answer yet you don't, Polly obviously, get with the program because this is the problem. Now pay attention or don't vote for the good of this country

    • @Torquemadia
      @Torquemadia หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ScoopDogg And yet, its because of YOUR vote, and the people who vote in the same way as you, that this country is in the state it's in!

    • @datro864
      @datro864 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      ​@@Torquemadia I think he's referring to the ONLY panelist that introduced herself as writing for The Guardian...
      The one who immediately straw-manned the argument to fit her counter arguments and then rambled on about Tories for soo long she lost track of her time.
      That one...

  • @johnsimspon8893
    @johnsimspon8893 หลายเดือนก่อน +734

    Immigration benefits a few, but is a disaster for most.

    • @michaeldoolan7595
      @michaeldoolan7595 หลายเดือนก่อน

      These b%stards bring nothing but war drugs and rape.

    • @benfisher1376
      @benfisher1376 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Let me guess......the few are the corporate elite?

    • @DorotheaAntonio
      @DorotheaAntonio หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      Benefits the rich!!!

    • @Matthewt756
      @Matthewt756 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Immigration only benefits those who want to impose tyranny.

    • @timwright5466
      @timwright5466 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't want anymore immigrants in my country ..we are an island country and we are full up ..

  • @ChristopherBarry-et1dm
    @ChristopherBarry-et1dm หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    Mass immigration has been an absolute catastrophe mainly for the British working class, those types who traditionally fought wars & made this Kingdom what it was, those who were the backbone of the country. Open borders have dire consequences..

    • @hyperfocus4866
      @hyperfocus4866 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They served their purpose at the time for the "elite" ruling class.
      The same Globalists that forever ruled the world.

  • @wurble
    @wurble หลายเดือนก่อน +250

    "Locking them up in hotels" Polly starts right off the bat with lies. I felt the exasperation from Matt as soon as she said it.

    • @pedazodetorpedo
      @pedazodetorpedo หลายเดือนก่อน

      She's either a moron or being disingenuous. The migrants come and go as they please in the hotels. There are no curfews.

    • @steve10
      @steve10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It was all lies , the idea the NHS would crumble is a lie.
      For a start without the cost if illegals you could put more money into schools and the NHS to train our kids better. Plus migration with skills is no bad thing , you need a visa to work in another country , as long as you have skills its fine , but what's happening is the government is getting all workers from abroad instead of investing in our own.
      She mentions the government doing more to stop illegals and secure borders , but when they do something people like her kick up a fuss , then stop planes to Rwanda.

    • @blazednlovinit
      @blazednlovinit หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I'm sure she frames her holidays the same way, she was "locked up in a hotel" the poor thing

    • @communismwillbeeradicated.6128
      @communismwillbeeradicated.6128 หลายเดือนก่อน

      its lies and not only that they get several cards that tax payers pay onto for them to live on and its like 120+ a week which is more than what british living here get on unemployment benefits.

    • @Lollipop_Lexi
      @Lollipop_Lexi 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I do not know if it is a lie in Britain, but in Australia, asylum seekers are most definitely locked in hotel rooms, many for years on end. This came to light when Novak Djokovic was briefly detained in one before he was deported for breaching covid regulations. Britain has held Australia up to be a shining example and role model for how we manage refugees and have vowed to follow us with things like offshore detention so it wouldn’t surprise me if your country is in fact locking people in hotel rooms and you just don’t know about it. We didn’t.

  • @sfwcommenting
    @sfwcommenting หลายเดือนก่อน +272

    The VERY FIRST woman IMMEDIATELY made the point of "we pay immigrants less, simple as. no immigrants means we need to treat the heritage Britons like humans and we simply don't want to." Good GOD how infuriating.

    • @effexon
      @effexon หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      pay less but ontop of that expect some other country pay for their education and work experience

    • @hallahallaful
      @hallahallaful หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      Businesses pay them less which supresses wages for the taxpayer. The taxpayer have to pay the migrants that doesn't work which is about half. Taxpayer always loses

    • @sqwalnoc
      @sqwalnoc หลายเดือนก่อน

      "Importing a third world serf-class to undercut native labour is a GOOD thing"

    • @DonBean-ej4ou
      @DonBean-ej4ou หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@hallahallafulalso: tax credits

    • @L.Ballou
      @L.Ballou หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I am having trouble understanding her point. Is she saying that if we want to curb illegal immigration, we need to enforce labor rights, etc.? And, that the same "side" that wants to curb immigration also does not want to enforce proper wages/rights etc.? Is she making an incentive argument?

  • @paulsetti9484
    @paulsetti9484 หลายเดือนก่อน +93

    The laughing when Polly speaks is hysterical.

    • @user-xi2xi7qd3s
      @user-xi2xi7qd3s หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      I went from engaged listening to Konstantin’s opening to maybe I’ll finish this video later as soon as she started 🥱

    • @number1neek
      @number1neek หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@user-xi2xi7qd3strue, Toynbee has all the charisma of a wilted cabbage. But debate is about logic and facts, not charisma. I'm sure you'll agree that if you only listened to charismatic speakers, your understanding of the world would end up very limited

    • @user-xi2xi7qd3s
      @user-xi2xi7qd3s หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@number1neek She also failed in the logic and facts department 😂

    • @number1neek
      @number1neek หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@user-xi2xi7qd3s care to explain how?

    • @BigBlue1895
      @BigBlue1895 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What annoys me is that even those on the anti-immigration side somehow believe the official numbers of there being 750,000 net migration despite us issuing 1,400,000 legal visas last year. Add to that the 100,000 illegal immigrants that we know about, it suggests that there are 750,000 people who leave the country each year. That's complete nonsense as we all know. Just ask yourself and your family and friends how many people they know who've emigrated in the past TEN years. I know of 4 families. That's it. We don't even have a system of counting those emigrating. Have you even been stopped at an airport or seaport and asked by some jobsworth with a clipboard if you're emigrating? Of course you haven't. Do the government have some other secret system of counting them? No they don't. They make the number up so that the net migration figure doesn't seem as bad as it actually is which is far in excess of a million each year. It's about time that the anti-immigration lobby called this out.

  • @QuentinKarentino
    @QuentinKarentino หลายเดือนก่อน +353

    A country prioritising it's countrymen is a good thing, actually.

    • @Slumbert
      @Slumbert หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Yes, it keeps being that country, it's a duty to protect.

    • @HornedGod66
      @HornedGod66 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Thats kind of what makes a country a country

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Except the West has forgotten that.

    • @mkworkgroupis1739
      @mkworkgroupis1739 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The one rule you need but you didn't think you'd have to say it...
      Like asking the child minder to not grape.....

    • @robm8809
      @robm8809 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@jonbaxter2254 We didn't forget it, our politicians got bought by people who don't want us in the world.

  • @Mike-nf9cv
    @Mike-nf9cv หลายเดือนก่อน +134

    Poor old Polly, I think she’s a bit lost

    • @dominionphilosophy3698
      @dominionphilosophy3698 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nothing poor about this parasite. She has lived off her Leftist champagne socialism for 40 years +. A despicable person, and enemy of the British.

    • @klaus1085
      @klaus1085 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Nope, she knows exactly what she is advocating.. evil

    • @arnoldhemsley9317
      @arnoldhemsley9317 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Blind old Polly climbing up a stick.

    • @robertadams1054
      @robertadams1054 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      She is definitely GONE.

    • @coyharlingen
      @coyharlingen หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not enough ice cream allegory for you lot?

  • @smukwana
    @smukwana หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    According to Polly Britain would collapse if all immigrants left? Wow, the former empire and pioneer of the industrial revolution really has fallen.

    • @pizzamad3334
      @pizzamad3334 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lieing liberals. All for their own pockets, snake oil salesmen.

  • @nancygawlowicz2562
    @nancygawlowicz2562 หลายเดือนก่อน +119

    The argument that "They're just coming here to get a better life" is meaningless. Why should their "just coming for a better life" be more honored than we citizens wanting a better life? Why should we have to give up our life to give them theirs?

    • @Gooseplan
      @Gooseplan หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      There isn’t a contradiction between the two things

    • @AFGuidesHD
      @AFGuidesHD หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      @@Gooseplan Do tell which slum prospered by having more people in it ?

    • @janishaperera8250
      @janishaperera8250 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maybe stop bombing their countries then?

    • @chriswatson1698
      @chriswatson1698 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "seeking a better life" is a case of seeking to increase their consumption of the earth's resources, to increase their waste and to increase their carbon emissions. Immigration is bad for the earth.

    • @denisebrown6939
      @denisebrown6939 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      It seems British citizens come last, minorities needs come first.

  • @Jianju69
    @Jianju69 หลายเดือนก่อน +500

    I visited England in 1978 and 2018. The English countryside was still the English countryside, but London? London is no longer English.

    • @pommiebears
      @pommiebears หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      I know. I grew up in east London. I haven’t been back for decades. It’s a den of *****

    • @grannyannie2948
      @grannyannie2948 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      I was in London nearly ten years ago. After one day we hired a car and got out.

    • @nevbarnes1034
      @nevbarnes1034 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      I was born one street north of Berkeley Square, a hundred yards north of the spot where Queen Elizabeth II was born, right in the heart of London. That London is gone. I can never go home.

    • @css7765
      @css7765 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Shame on the stupid self centred politicians and establishment. Their turn will come.

    • @Nahrin_Assyrian
      @Nahrin_Assyrian หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      Same with Paris, it looks like ME city

  • @Whangareitaiji3138
    @Whangareitaiji3138 หลายเดือนก่อน +666

    Polly clearly doesn't understand basic economics.

    • @GriffinParke
      @GriffinParke หลายเดือนก่อน +72

      ..or indeed reality

    • @flatlineproduction1
      @flatlineproduction1 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

      I mean she works for the guardian , if that isn't a damning verdict she's beyond hope I don't know what is

    • @effexon
      @effexon หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      I dont get how they can be "our right .... to steal these best people from other countries".... common attitude.... not realizing that causes countries to collapse.

    • @ReginaldArthurWolfe
      @ReginaldArthurWolfe หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, they’re all “anti-racists”, “anti-colonial” luminaries, but bring up immigration and they’ll start telling you all how badly we need “those people” specially all their doctors and engineers.
      What better way to extract the wealth then steal the people from other countries, including their best and brightest.

    • @icarusjumped2719
      @icarusjumped2719 หลายเดือนก่อน

      She is a fool. Brain dead NPC spouting the usual line.

  • @nikosgreek352
    @nikosgreek352 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    If you observe Polly closely, she doesnt rebutt any of Kisins' position nor does she actually defend migration or even suggest an alternative balance. All her speech consists of a series of rhetorical sophistries. Primarily: distraction (her main strategy), demonstratum ad absurdio, raising a point only to jump to another without analyzing it, constructing imaginary scenarios and making assumptions which arent only unproven but can be easily rebutted since the whole of british history before 1970 (and numerous current events) serves as a perfect counterexample.

  • @adamlee2550
    @adamlee2550 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    When she said that we failed to train construction specialists in Britain I nearly choked on my brew.
    Several years in commercial and industrial construction and I barely see foreigners in management positions.
    The labourers however don't seem to understand basic English and constantly damage expensive materials and create dangerous situations for the rest of us.

    • @IsraelCame2ndpublicVoteInEuroV
      @IsraelCame2ndpublicVoteInEuroV หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They work for less it's never ending

    • @RazonButch86
      @RazonButch86 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@VoteReformUK822 That's a myth. I can assure you that they get the same if not more than Indigenous bits on site. Maybe in London but in house building that's not the case. And they are not very good just easily replaceable. They call them selves the new Irish lol never.

    • @IsraelCame2ndpublicVoteInEuroV
      @IsraelCame2ndpublicVoteInEuroV หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@RazonButch86 no it's not a myth!
      It's called the minimum wage
      More migrants = more applicants = lower wages
      They come from poor countries where housing is fraction of the cost
      Minimum wage in Poland £3.97
      Romania about £2
      Albania £1
      They come here get £11.44 an hour from Monday and they live in HMOs paying £400 a month rent all bills included!
      So yes they do work for less that's why my company has just put my wage to £11.77 despite earning hundreds of millions in profit each year
      They know a foreigner will take less because it's like a lotto ticket when they go back home

    • @IsraelCame2ndpublicVoteInEuroV
      @IsraelCame2ndpublicVoteInEuroV หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@RazonButch86 so frankly you need to wake up pal!
      The minimum wage benefits big business due to high migration
      Wages were high until October 2005 when they slowly tanked due to Eastern Europeans

    • @Flavynho10
      @Flavynho10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I bet you are useless af also frustrated af and probably some sort of son/daughter from a different immigrant family whos not from east europe​@@IsraelCame2ndpublicVoteInEuroV

  • @The-Rest-of-Us
    @The-Rest-of-Us หลายเดือนก่อน +95

    Hi, Swiss person here: when Aaron brings up Switzerland as a positive example of high migration he should also mention that the overwhelming majority of immigrants to Switzerland are well educated Europeans. Same with Luxembourg btw. But he doesn’t really want to go into specifics of Swiss immigration policy, because that doesn’t serve his narrative.

    • @stephenwood2172
      @stephenwood2172 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why does it matter if they're Europeans? Don't like looking at brown people or are browns just subhuman or something?

    • @blazednlovinit
      @blazednlovinit หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I don't know how such people don't ask themselves "If I have to lie and deceive to make people believe me, perhaps my views are wrong??"

    • @user-gc2wt3dx7q
      @user-gc2wt3dx7q หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      He also gave Qatar as an example. Yet around 70% of immigrants there live in semi apartheid like conditions.

    • @TheBustaProductions
      @TheBustaProductions หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      if you think this you show that it is not immigration you have a problem with but non-European immigrants. This just a reiteration of xenophobia and racism not a criticism of immigration.

    • @gazzamac06
      @gazzamac06 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@TheBustaProductionsso to be clear. When addressing issues with specificity, it's racist? It is absolutely impossible to comment on cultures and their detrimental impact on British people (of all races) without it being racist?

  • @lesleymanchester7149
    @lesleymanchester7149 หลายเดือนก่อน +158

    International nurses are definitely not trained to our NHS standards, care is appalling

    • @joshayres3689
      @joshayres3689 หลายเดือนก่อน

      same applies to engineering from trades to white collars. They're appalling and never worth the hastle I've seen machine shops take on these migrants claiming theyre gona sort all their problems out only to discover the truth and lay them all off within half a year. All it boiled down to is our communities were destroyed and im sure this applies to every other industry.

    • @Elizabeth-jd3mn
      @Elizabeth-jd3mn หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      It's been revealed many of them are fake, other people sat their exams. And don't forget the old lady that died because her carers couldn't communicate with paramedics.

    • @johnpaulnash8144
      @johnpaulnash8144 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Medical qualification fraud is rife.

    • @grannyannie2948
      @grannyannie2948 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      I'm Australian and we have the same problem. Even if they are adequately trained if you are very ill, or injured, you don't want a nurse you can't communicate with easily.

    • @ads13924
      @ads13924 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Your right, something we are all noticing

  • @rogerdodger1790
    @rogerdodger1790 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Polly is clearly nuts

  • @benphipps6498
    @benphipps6498 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    Bastani was the only person who answered the question. Goodwin and Kisin successfully argued that the current model is bad, which most people would agree with, but that wasn't the question. Polly in a way just argued Goodwin and Kisin's points for them.

    • @dannytoots6635
      @dannytoots6635 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      True true

    • @Muzikman127
      @Muzikman127 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      kisin can be very childish and low-level sometimes too. It's quite disappointing. Idk if he's unable or unwilling to actually engage at a higher level in good faith, but, for whatever reason, he frequently goes for posturing and pablum instead

  • @coventarian
    @coventarian หลายเดือนก่อน +65

    I think Polly's echo is caused by the empty space between her ears.

  • @DrGreenGiant
    @DrGreenGiant หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I like how Aaron opens with, "answer the question," then goes on a massive off topic rant about the Tories. Then later goes on to say, "politicians are the problem not immigration," then reels off a list of low immigration companies that have political corruption, to justify high immigration.
    The amount of irrelevant and non-sensical reasoning is crackers. It was like watching two different debates; one on immigration from Konstantin and Matt, and one on Tory politics by Polly and Aaron.

  • @jfro5867
    @jfro5867 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Agree with KK and the Prof. Like Aaron as a person but disagree with his view. Polly on the other hand is just as I expected, Guardian columnist, right on leftie with no clue about the real world lived in experience of working people. My daughter is 29. She moved to Austria about 6 years ago, worked in a pub, went to night school to learn how to speak, read & write German. She’s now fluent, happily married and has an Austrian citizenship, that was hard to get btw. She’s embraced Austrian rules, history and culture.That’s what should be happening here really. Come to Britain, legally, obey our rules, integrate with our society not the other way around!

  • @Kyniel
    @Kyniel หลายเดือนก่อน +284

    Who told Polly that the topic was: "Tell me you're a moron without telling me you're a moron"?

    • @nickjohns1192
      @nickjohns1192 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      She works for the guardian and wouldn't expect anything else from that rag

    • @johnsmith-cn5yv
      @johnsmith-cn5yv หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Agreed. Her arguments are poor.

    • @jujutrini8412
      @jujutrini8412 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      She answered the question. The opposition changed the question to another issue.

    • @MyMpc1
      @MyMpc1 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      something tells me the audience of this particular channel is a tad biased.

    • @simeonharman4589
      @simeonharman4589 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi. I'm a left wing person. What did she say that was moronic specificly?

  • @jazzawelsh
    @jazzawelsh หลายเดือนก่อน +80

    Diversity has failed in the UK I'm lucky to have lived in the 60s 70s and 80s

    • @seandrew7837
      @seandrew7837 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You sound as old as me.

    • @robm8809
      @robm8809 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's not failed at all! It was always intended to damage our nations, and in that it is succeeding.

    • @robm8809
      @robm8809 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      It's not failed, it has done exactly what it was intended to. It was never intended to be beneficial to us.

    • @DarkAngel2512
      @DarkAngel2512 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It wass successful in the 90s. I grew up with best mates of all races. I just think it went downhill in the 2000s if we reference The Grooming Gang scandals and terrorist attacks. And then further downhill in the 2010s. Mass immigration was the issue. Not immigration in general. I grew up close with black people and Im glad they came here. Its helped shape my life. Love the music, the culture etc

    • @robm8809
      @robm8809 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @DarkAngel2512 it was never really worked, it just took time for the harm it was doing to show, that's all.

  • @DavidWh-jg4wp
    @DavidWh-jg4wp หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Also - Konstantin was the first to clap after Pollys speech. Very respectful. Thank you.

  • @Stew282
    @Stew282 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    As a working-class bloke, it's always noticeable that on debates like this, the views of working class men are _never_ considered, despite the fact that we are always the most affected. And we are the people who make everything work!
    A good proportion of my earnings are taken by tax, and a good proportion of those taxes are used to support people that give nothing to the country, to people who actively work against my interests, and to people who are trying to destroy my country and everything I believe in. What gives anybody the right to take my money to use it to harm me?

    • @pdyt2009
      @pdyt2009 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You'd have to ask A Tory that one.

    • @Stew282
      @Stew282 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@pdyt2009 What makes you think it would be any better under Labour? If many of them get their way, it will be far worse.

    • @Muzikman127
      @Muzikman127 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      migrants are a net addition to the exchequer, statistically speaking people of your demographic are net recipients. You have this idea you are subsidizing migrants, when the fact is the economic setup we have is that migrants (who are on average younger and healthier) subsidize the native population. That doesn't make it inherently a good thing but this idea that it's charity is for the birds; they net pay in to the tax system.

    • @Stew282
      @Stew282 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Muzikman127 That 'net contributor' bullshit was debunked years ago, child.

  • @helsonwheels5175
    @helsonwheels5175 หลายเดือนก่อน +172

    Polly lost the argument with her opening paragraph. She also needs to get her facts straight: Asylum seekers are not "locked up" in hotels, they are free to move around wherever they want. So apparently 75% of people who have broken the law to get into England are allowed to stay. And Polly wants people to have to work with those same people who have broken the law when they have absolutely no idea who they are and whether they are safe to be around or not, but have already proven that they are happy to break the law and have learned that not only will they get away with it, they are rewarded for it.

    • @mrmeldrew693
      @mrmeldrew693 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      If genuinely fleeing in terror for your life, would you be angry about a room in a hotel, being protected by private security, three meals a day and some spending money?!

    • @lukemclellan2141
      @lukemclellan2141 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Which law did they break?

    • @nagillim7915
      @nagillim7915 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      ​​@@lukemclellan2141- illegally entering the country. We have ports with immigration officials where refugees can make themselves known and make a claim for asylum.

    • @lukemclellan2141
      @lukemclellan2141 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@nagillim7915 why don't the people come through the ports?

    • @nagillim7915
      @nagillim7915 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lukemclellan2141 - because they're already in a safe country so can't claim the French government is going to murder them.
      But they want to claim asylum in the UK and not in France. So need to get onto British soil illegally to do so.

  • @dize3672
    @dize3672 หลายเดือนก่อน +354

    Konstantin and Matt killed. They had the room because they speak common sense and are based in reality.

    • @lockydude007
      @lockydude007 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      REALLY?

    • @Phix75
      @Phix75 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Yeah really !

    • @lockydude007
      @lockydude007 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Well then if you are but this. Then I got a snake oil website I would like you to go too

    • @kajapotrebujes9325
      @kajapotrebujes9325 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      EXACTLY

    • @lockydude007
      @lockydude007 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Tell me the common sense part of what they said that wasn't just 1/2 of the story.

  • @richardwood6146
    @richardwood6146 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    "We need to dramatically lower net immigration to this country to sustainable levels"
    Polly - "So you want to deport every immigrant from Britain?"

    • @pizzamad3334
      @pizzamad3334 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Please polly

  • @nzreggae2534
    @nzreggae2534 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    If British children looked after their parents till the last breath, you wouldn't need rest homes and elderly care. No more immigrants required. Problem solved.

    • @pdyt2009
      @pdyt2009 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But they don't, so you do.

    • @jamesjohnston9754
      @jamesjohnston9754 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Your so right

  • @paullegend6798
    @paullegend6798 หลายเดือนก่อน +91

    It's the levels of immigration and the quality of people we aren't getting right. When your own culture is disappearing in front of your eyes, the levels are wrong. When your GDP per capita is collapsing, productivity stagnant, the quality is wrong.

    • @AnAn___
      @AnAn___ หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Intelligent comment. I think some countries are better at culturally absorbing immigrants than others. Dubai, Hong Kong, Malaysia, USA, Singapore, Australia, Vietnam, India, China, Chile, Brazil, Panama, Seychelles, Mauritius, are good at culturally absorbing immigrants. The UK is bad at it.
      The UK needs to stop bringing in conservative sunni islamists. Bring in high quality immigrants and try to inspire them to stay in the UK long term.

    • @effexon
      @effexon หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@AnAn___are poles nowadays avoiding UK or even moving out? I got that impression, they rather go to poland than stay in chaos.

    • @AnAn___
      @AnAn___ หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@effexon Perceptive comment. The UK has a very high emigration rate with mass brain drain and emigration of millionaires.
      Poland is one of the countries attracting a lot of UK citizens and UK immigrants.

    • @effexon
      @effexon หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@AnAn___coz poland among baltics has actually working healthcare system, family friendly society and honest work culture with no tolerance for illegal immigrants. Well this is from estonia but sentiment in poland is very very similar. and polish PM argued this illegal immigrant point, not against any immigrant(anyone could go there and work inside EU country of course... and they have lot of businesses)

    • @chrisa5631
      @chrisa5631 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      First, define what British culture is and then, live it and protect it. If not, it will be replaced. There comes to a point where you cant blame immigrants but only yourself for the state of your house. Brits are still the majority, so you are in charge.

  • @ftwitsucks
    @ftwitsucks หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    I'm not even British and it's a resounding FUCK NO.

    • @pizzamad3334
      @pizzamad3334 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      We are sinking in immigration. They've took all the houses and are keeping the wages low. I'm sick of going along with liberal/left narrative that's got us here. We are loosing land to build yet more houses. There are no go open air toilets in towns and city's. No guess what's there.

  • @bigmac786
    @bigmac786 หลายเดือนก่อน +247

    Matt Godwin is a once in a ageneration type of thinker, speaker, and leader. I hope he becomes extremely well known in this country and gets into politics. I would vote for him in a heartbeat.

    • @nawaz345
      @nawaz345 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      lol grifter more like

    • @duncefunce1513
      @duncefunce1513 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@nawaz345lol, yeah, hur hur. Grifter more like, hur hur.

    • @tro1239
      @tro1239 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      What is it with more conservative leaning people and just being so hyperbolic.
      You see it on Jordan Peterson videos all the time. Can we just chill out? Godwin is a run of the mill conservative fella, relax.

    • @andyj8977
      @andyj8977 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I like him but also do have a niggling wonder about his motivations. Totally understand him wanting to monetise his time but, to truly project his message to the widest possible audience, where it might have the most impact, this would surely be better accomplished via publishing his articles in the public domain rather than behind a paywall. Is his motivation truly to solve the problem or to make money from it?
      Wasn’t it Matt who followed Tommy Robinson during his EDL days, seemingly on the premise of unbiased reporting, later to ‘stab Tommy in the back’ by publishing a damning article in The Guardian?

    • @thevale2456
      @thevale2456 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Haha he’s a grifter 😂😂😂

  • @grodesby3422
    @grodesby3422 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Banning the sadistic practice of Halal slaughter of animals would be a good start to taking back control, although Kosher slaughter would probably need to be banned too.

  • @darrenpursuingtruth2895
    @darrenpursuingtruth2895 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Thanks to Konstantin and Matt for being a voice for the vast majority of decent Brits. People associated with ‘the right’ are commonly the ones making strong arguments for ordinary working people, while those associated with ‘the left’ typically represent the opinions of the elite class. As Konstantin said ‘You can ignore reality but you can not ignore the consequences of ignoring reality’

    • @stephenwood2172
      @stephenwood2172 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Weird then that it's billionaire owned news media that pumps out all the anti-immigrant bile (via right wing grifters who get poften get paid obscene amounts), whilst ordinary people who rent and have to work for a living run left wing outlets like Novara.
      The left, which is generally not allowed a platform and has little money to build its own: "billionaires are literally extracting wealth from you and from public services (lower wages, increasing rent and bills, privatisation and profiteering)"
      Billionaires, that own 90% of the media, politicians, culture etc: "it's the immigrants, they are the cause of all our problems. Also look they allowed some artistic freedom happen to our flag on this sports shirt - damn the woke libs!"
      What do you think uncritical consumers of the billionaire controlled mainstream media conclude? 🤔

    • @NedTesco
      @NedTesco หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      The right backs continued privatisation and more tax cuts for the rich, while most working class people are with the left in opposing those things. You're very selective in which policies you want to talk about in terms of working class support.

    • @darrenpursuingtruth2895
      @darrenpursuingtruth2895 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ‘Tax cuts for the rich‘, in reality punishes millions of hard working people (doctors, dentists...) who have earned their money, and to which no one has a rightful claim. I’m not advocating no taxes, but we should be grateful for the rich who provide value, from which we can all benefit.
      The working class are often sacrificed at the altar of progressive politics; policies promoted by the people least likely to see its detrimental effects. Immigration can be a very positive thing, but it can be harmful to poorer people who see their communities hollowed out and essential services push beyond breaking point.
      Many conservative right-leaning people seem to more fully understand this (than people who assume they better grasp the needs of the working class) and I appreciate their contributions.
      @@NedTesco

    • @MrBragle
      @MrBragle หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wat a troll, I bet you think GB News is center and comprised of decent Brits. The elite are almost purely right wing, in fact its next to impossible for leftists to be elite simply due to wealth. The left are generally comprised of younger generations that are trying to change the problems they face, they have not gathered wealth yet, not risen in companies or politics. The older people become, the more wealth they gather, the more right wing they become to protect that wealth. To be 'elite' is to have power to control and the only way to do that is by wealth
      Get your head out of the sand, stop believing everything you see and hear on both sides and start thinking and analysing for yourself

    • @NedTesco
      @NedTesco หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@darrenpursuingtruth2895 Loool look who's condescending and talking down to working class voters and their views now.
      Very happy to talk about "elites" telling working class people what to believe when it aligns with your views but suddenly working class people are too naive or stupid to know what's good for them when they disagree with you?

  • @hammered_by_noon4075
    @hammered_by_noon4075 หลายเดือนก่อน +145

    Konstantin is so easy to listen to, he is to the point, no fluff, and makes points in a way people find insightful and amusing. This world needs more people like him.

    • @greglyons2526
      @greglyons2526 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Easy enough for the simple minded to understand

    • @hammered_by_noon4075
      @hammered_by_noon4075 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@greglyons2526 Even though it seems you are trying to spread your own discontent, I actually agree with you. Not that this was an overly complicated subject, but it takes an intelligent person to make difficult subjects digestible for the average person.

    • @tenacioustubbs8358
      @tenacioustubbs8358 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Whilst I do enjoy listening to him, he seems to have developed a tendency to “pause for applause” a little too often. I personally enjoyed Matts contributions more in this debate.
      Also, and I disagree with him more broadly, Aaron was interesting to listen to here and did make some good points (despite coming across as a party political broadcast for the Labour Party in his earlier remarks)

    • @TheBananaLoverorignal
      @TheBananaLoverorignal หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you don't understand the consistent logical errors, he makes, and you just want to feel cathartic about your own point and I can understand you. He sounds like an Onion article to me.

    • @nobadguy1115
      @nobadguy1115 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@tenacioustubbs8358 Yeah, I generally admire Konstantin but the repeated pause for applause threw me off a little this time.

  • @GlobalAtlantis101
    @GlobalAtlantis101 หลายเดือนก่อน +152

    The British caliphate is a sad reality 😢

    • @AnAn___
      @AnAn___ หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      How did this happen? Why don't English understand the difference between good muslim immigrants, good nonmuslim immigrants and islamist immigrants?

    • @GlobalAtlantis101
      @GlobalAtlantis101 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@AnAn___ It’s basic ignorance of incompetent people.

    • @nevbarnes1034
      @nevbarnes1034 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@AnAn___ Because they haven't studied the related history or doctrines.

    • @doddyvanstraaten2774
      @doddyvanstraaten2774 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AnAn___ Islam in any form does not integrate with ANY western democracy.

    • @icarusjumped2719
      @icarusjumped2719 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We are being conquered. Infiltrate, subvert, convert, take over. Thats the play book.

  • @DavidWh-jg4wp
    @DavidWh-jg4wp หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Just a quick note: Polly is absolutely loaded. She has three houses, one of them abroad as a holiday home. I'm not entirely sure she speaks for the average brit. Just a though. Comments welcome. Thanks

    • @timheyer5660
      @timheyer5660 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And the value of these properties are going through the roff thanks to.....MASS IMMIGRATION

    • @benbeasant3443
      @benbeasant3443 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Champagne socialist

  • @matty506
    @matty506 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    11 million migrant in UK. less than 500k work in vital sectors like NHS, Construction, Farming/Agriculture. What are the other 10.5million doing? 5 Million homes short.

    • @robertadams1054
      @robertadams1054 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      On benefits of course, for their numerous wife’s and offspring.

    • @Cz-zi3my
      @Cz-zi3my หลายเดือนก่อน

      Where did you get the 11 million figure from?

    • @robertadams1054
      @robertadams1054 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Cz-zi3my Dianne Abbott ?

    • @xavier4260
      @xavier4260 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@robertadams1054 just like the white people... what's your point

    • @robertadams1054
      @robertadams1054 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@xavier4260 Did I mention colour, NO, that’s the trouble with people in this world. Always down to colour. I am NOT now or never been racist. You are probably a TROLL.

  • @mrw_6462
    @mrw_6462 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    Primarily illegal immigration from countries/cultures that are openly hostile towards western values will only result in a clash of cultures, resentment, racism & a country divided.

    • @fiveleavesleft6521
      @fiveleavesleft6521 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep, and the woke Left are trying their hardest to accelerate those divisions.

    • @dominionphilosophy3698
      @dominionphilosophy3698 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      It has already. The issue is one word - Islam.

    • @keemoify
      @keemoify หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      VERY TRUE!!!

    • @galian151
      @galian151 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dominionphilosophy3698 and different races (like in Brasil).

  • @damodavies9273
    @damodavies9273 หลายเดือนก่อน +323

    I want NET 0 Immigration.

    • @LS-xs7sg
      @LS-xs7sg หลายเดือนก่อน

      That means 100,000 natives can leave to Australia to be replaced by 100,000 Pakistanis

    • @Spike-yc5gx
      @Spike-yc5gx หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      NET negative will be better.

    • @coraynbell8991
      @coraynbell8991 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Me too

    • @LS-xs7sg
      @LS-xs7sg หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Net zero means 100,000 natives leave to Australia being replaced by 100,000 foreigners. You want zero immigration. Nil. Nada. Zilch.

    • @grannyannie2948
      @grannyannie2948 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ​@@LS-xs7sg As an Australian what if we had a deal that if 100,000 Brits moved here than 100,000 Aussie's could go there? The problem is not just the numbers, 900,000 permanent arrivals here, it is the cultures of the people arriving. And the guy in the glasses is clueless. We have probably the highest immigration per capita. But it is not increasing our standard of living. We have people and even families, living in cars, despite having decent jobs, because there is no where else for them to live, not just in cities but rurally too. People die outside hospitals waiting just to get inside but the hospitals are too crowded, and nothing to do with covid, it's been like that since immigration became mass immigration thirty years ago.

  • @joshuakennaugh2380
    @joshuakennaugh2380 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    1:14:15 Konstantin absolutely nails this point concerning the modern day use of the term "Far right" from those on the left.

  • @longliveliberty1220
    @longliveliberty1220 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    The most appalling thing about this debate is the fact that they organized this very posh debate, but no one thought of getting a third microphone?

    • @Kunfucious577
      @Kunfucious577 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It’s like a government run debate.

    • @daniel.lopresti
      @daniel.lopresti 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Most likely on purpose so they can't talk over each other.

  • @gmcq8623
    @gmcq8623 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    Konstantin & Matt the far better and persuasive speakers. The future is concerning.

    • @homeboy21390
      @homeboy21390 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Matt certainly was but Konstantin was miles off here.

    • @ordoabchao4202
      @ordoabchao4202 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The present is concerning too

  • @Ramiiam
    @Ramiiam หลายเดือนก่อน +415

    There is no point in debating whilst you have no say in the matter. Mass immigration is being foisted onto European peoples against their will. Let's discuss the reasons why this is.

    • @klaus1085
      @klaus1085 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      👀👀

    • @benfisher1376
      @benfisher1376 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Great point.

    • @robm8809
      @robm8809 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Well said.

    • @catscan2022
      @catscan2022 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      Those providing accommodation at taxpayers expense are becoming ever more wealthy

    • @benfisher1376
      @benfisher1376 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@catscan2022 of course

  • @mickfoley1413
    @mickfoley1413 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    My parents are immigrants in Canada and I LOVE our English/Canadian history. I hate the pandering to new immigrants and trying to wash the original culture away.

  • @Totelrecall
    @Totelrecall หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Goodbye Britain. It was nice knowing you.

    • @user-qh6fp3di6h
      @user-qh6fp3di6h หลายเดือนก่อน

      good, if you don't like it you can get out

    • @pizzamad3334
      @pizzamad3334 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@user-qh6fp3di6hthere's a certain demographic that's screwing the natives.

  • @ImOnYouTube
    @ImOnYouTube หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    For the most part, no.
    Britain's streets have never looked worse in my lifetime

    • @jdHaworth
      @jdHaworth หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      if you think this is for any reason than 14 years of austerity you’re a fantasist my friend

    • @jdHaworth
      @jdHaworth หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Jimmycricket- So you don’t think the streets look like shit because we are in one of the most unequal societies in the western world, we have over 4 million children in poverty, councils are going bust and the high streets are in decline, public services have been asset stripped and sold off to private companies based halfway round the world who give themselves nice salaries while actual liquid shit is pumped into our rivers?
      You don’t think the decisions government make have a domino effect on the cities and towns that make up this country?
      Do you have a better explanation for why our streets have never looked worse?
      Immigrants is it?
      I would argue the only remotely pleasant thing about walking down your average public road in the north or south of the UK is that you are guaranteed to have a nice variety of authentic restaurants and takeaways serving all kinds of international food: Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Turkish, Italian, Greek, Mexican, Jamaican, Portuguese, Argentinian.
      If it wasn’t for all that we’d have nothing to eat but chippy tea as we watch this failed state collapse around us. And if you think it’s the immigrants fault that the state is failing, then brother you have not been paying attention. Look where power resides. It’s not with me, it’s not with you, it’s not with the refugee, it’s not with the first-generation, second-generation, third-generation immigrant family. Look who has the power.

    • @jdHaworth
      @jdHaworth หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Jimmycricket- My point is the things you are complaining about are valid, but the buck stops with the people in power.
      How can you establish whether adding 10 million people has made a country better or worse? The population of the whole world has absolutely skyrocketed in the last hundred years in comparison to the rest of recorded human history. None of us are in a position to ascribe a moral judgement over whether more is good.
      What I am arguing is that all of the complaints we share about the state of this country are not the FAULT of immigration. Of course immigration plays into it, but if you’re going to use NHS being stretched to breaking point - better or worse, the immigrant workforce props up the NHS. Council housing stretched to breaking point? Right to buy and the slowing down of house building. Politicians receiving death threats? Two MPs have been killed by extremists. One was muslim, one was white. How is this relevant in an argument about immigration?
      Essentially what I’m trying to say is I feel like we agree more than you think, we just disagree that the root cause is immigration. Immigration is involved, certainly. But the buck stops with who has the power.
      Also, having good food to eat is literally one of the greatest pleasures of living. But that’s another debate.

    • @pol4ee
      @pol4ee หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@jdHaworthThe problems you describe there are all valid but they are not what this debate is about. However, importing millions of people makes these problems worse.

    • @xavier4260
      @xavier4260 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes with white crack heads, I totally agree. Deport them NOW

  • @Wintermute136
    @Wintermute136 หลายเดือนก่อน +124

    Matt absolutely nailed it

  • @alastaircrawford7749
    @alastaircrawford7749 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This country needs to wake up.

  • @IhaveBigFeet
    @IhaveBigFeet หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Honestly just stopping Islamic migration would solve the problem overnight, no one complains about as this man said about Hong Kongers, Poles, Ukrainians or other Europeans but there problem stems from people who come to Britain that have a hatred for it from Pakistan, Iraq, Somalia etc.

    • @CCP-Dissident
      @CCP-Dissident หลายเดือนก่อน

      More like illegal immigration. Most illegal immigrants come from these countries like Somalia, Libya, Syria and other Middle Eastern nation

    • @MuyassarMostafa
      @MuyassarMostafa หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Discriminating in a person's eligibility to immigrate because of his religion or race is a violation of immigration law in all countries of the world, I believe, with the exception of the State of Israel, which requires that the immigrant be Jewish or of Jewish origin.

    • @manfrombritain6816
      @manfrombritain6816 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@MuyassarMostafa... so? you're operating off a model that basically emerged from Christian charity and nobody here is even Christian anymore anyway. sinking your own ship to try and save others helps nobody. Islam refuses to take responsibility for its toxic elements and refuses to have a reformation so it can co-exist with first world values so what exactly is going to happen long term...? it isn't pretty

    • @ATR-ur5ov
      @ATR-ur5ov หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MuyassarMostafa Then it is time to change the law. We had enough of Mustafas and Mohammeds in EU. Coming from fail states just to ruin normal states.

    • @drew699
      @drew699 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@MuyassarMostafaIndia’s constitution discriminates, because the same rules should not be applied to classes of people who do not agree to share the rules of others.

  • @gamingwithslacker
    @gamingwithslacker หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I thought it was fascinating that Aaron, at the end, ended up agreeing that immigration ought to be, hugely, brought down.

  • @islalewis70
    @islalewis70 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    Grooming gangs in ever major city in this country!!

  • @DorotheaAntonio
    @DorotheaAntonio หลายเดือนก่อน +108

    Polly is posh; dont think she's met that many working class people. She'd been seen as snotty and condescending by them.

    • @palerider955
      @palerider955 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because that's what she is.

    • @pixie3458
      @pixie3458 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I doubt that she personally loses out

    • @dominionphilosophy3698
      @dominionphilosophy3698 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      She has made her money using them.

    • @Terrr05
      @Terrr05 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm posh but I think she's a tit. She started off by arguing against a position that I would speculate

    • @jbob34345
      @jbob34345 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Polly had nothing interesting to say, Arron made some good points though.

  • @godders7594
    @godders7594 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Maybe if Mr Bastani spent more time listening and less time on his mobile he would not make such a fool of himself

    • @Locke350
      @Locke350 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I swear that it’s not just his hearing that is going down but he aged quite rapidly since his Triggernometry interview.

    • @manfrombritain6816
      @manfrombritain6816 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Locke350be fair, he's had a baby

  • @libertasdemocratiam887
    @libertasdemocratiam887 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    My cousin and his very disabled wife have been told to continue paying rent to their landlord while they squat in the house the landlord wants to sell, they can't get another private rental because the costs are too high and they can't get social housing...I think that tells you everything you need to know about the state of the UK thanks to immigration, specifically mass immigration, that's been imposed upon us with zero consent from us the electorate. The very fat we were never asked should null and void any opinion for mass immigration, or any immigration for that matter that is not 50k per year or lower.

    • @TheChannelMega
      @TheChannelMega หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You sure there aren't like, so many other reasons as to why the infrastructure in this country has become awful? The Thatcher years and the gutting of the welfare state / council house buyback that led to the housing crisis / no building of council houses due to lack of investment from government / NIMBY's. 15 years of austerity. In many cases we alongside other members of the UN caused irreparable damage to a number of the countries these migrants have come from, you could argue it's our duty as humans to make up for the damage we caused by allowing for them to make a new life in our culture.

    • @orbojunglist
      @orbojunglist หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheChannelMegaBirthrate has trended downward since the sixties and you don't suddenly become immortal because you buy your council house in the 80's, it ends up back on the market, and if demand is low then the price is cheap. the increase in demand can't be from the fewer and fewer English people being born, immortal homeowners or houses getting sucked into the twilight zone. it has to be from the hundreds of thousands of people per year, every year, that come from elsewhere.
      Why the hell do people from other countries have a right to council houses in the UK anyway? we aren't the world's social safety net, hospital or benefit system.

    • @libertasdemocratiam887
      @libertasdemocratiam887 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TheChannelMega selling off the social housing stock was not an issue IF we kept all new social housing for native Britons not the rest of the world. We haven't kept up with the need for social stock that's a legitimate argument, but when we haven't got the housing stock was it really a good idea to have 10 million people show up to our country who also need housing? I don't think it is is it?
      Use your head if you have ten apples and fifteen people who want them do you give them ten to the first ten people on the line or do you start from th back of queue? Ask yourself and really think what you would say if the guy at the back got one and you didn't when you'd been stood waiting for an hour and he just showed up five mins ago. You'd be angry...and rightly so. That's what's happened with social housing, and housing general, given we're a small nation that wishes to conserve it's green space that cannot sustain it's unnaturally inflated population via mass immigration.

    • @libertasdemocratiam887
      @libertasdemocratiam887 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TheChannelMega blah blah blah we did this we did that, so what? The middle east was a mess before we got there and it still is after, that's the been the case in that area of the world for centuries if you bother to look at world history instead of just ours. They're not our responsibility, you're fellow citizens are who can't see a doctor, get a school place, who can't get social housing, who can't see a dentist, but hey you feel good because you want pepper from totally different cultures to come here...good luck with the gays and lesbians getting along with the Muslims btw, when 75% of the latter want the former locking up for a crime. But again hey, you don't think of such things do you? I do because I'm lesbian and I'd rather not be a criminal in my own country. I'm also someone who's been let down by the state time after time, because people have pushed to help people in far away lands rather than their actual neighbour.

  • @bobharris7401
    @bobharris7401 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

    Wish we could find such civilized debates here in USA. Bless you Brits.

    • @bulltraderpt
      @bulltraderpt หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Actually I disagree, you've got guns!

    • @ManuelSalasM
      @ManuelSalasM หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@bulltraderpt right

    • @geraldalan9895
      @geraldalan9895 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I've watched Christopher Hitchins and Sam Harris debating. You do ok in the USA.

    • @robm8809
      @robm8809 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Soon, debates like this will be illegal here. :(

    • @ihatehandles3
      @ihatehandles3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      i quite like the way debates are handled in the northen africa/middle east countries that the migrants are coming from...

  • @eloytoro
    @eloytoro หลายเดือนก่อน +70

    Loved the moment Polly nearly got laughed off stage

    • @freebornaiden7666
      @freebornaiden7666 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Whereas I noticed nobody laughed once at the comedian Konstantin Kisin.

    • @daniel.lopresti
      @daniel.lopresti 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@freebornaiden7666 I wonder if you also noticed this wasn't a comedy gig.

    • @freebornaiden7666
      @freebornaiden7666 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@daniel.lopresti So why was KK attempting to make jokes then?

  • @jujutrini8412
    @jujutrini8412 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Aaron hates having to sit on the same side as neo liberal Polly. 😂😂😂😂

  • @nathanwood5977
    @nathanwood5977 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I used to be more of a liberal idealist on this issue but the last few years have changed my mind on immigration. You can have too much and it can be too quick. This is an understatement in this country.
    You can only help so many people until you end up giving away the very fabric of a country's history, values and future. Yes, I am a moderate talking conservatism. Also, this country is just not in a position to take more and more immigrants, we have all sorts of social, inequality, housing, health and dental care, public service and transport problems.
    If you cannot see the warnings of unmanaged immigration in this country because you are a do gooder, you are NOT a do gooder.

  • @JD-zb4ve
    @JD-zb4ve หลายเดือนก่อน +152

    Konstantin - you're not getting the laughs you deserve! Strange audience. Excellent speech, Konstantin!! I think Polly is off the mark.

    • @css7765
      @css7765 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And so is the spectator presenter Kate also. She and Polly are of the same ilk.

    • @davidpryle3935
      @davidpryle3935 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      It might be better to lay off the jokes, when discussing a serious subject.

    • @Michael-el7uc
      @Michael-el7uc หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@davidpryle3935he’s a stand up comedian that people love to hear him speak because he’s right on 90% of what he says.

    • @icarusjumped2719
      @icarusjumped2719 หลายเดือนก่อน

      She is a fool.

    • @pinheadluke3136
      @pinheadluke3136 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      The Epstein joke fell a bit flat (over done I would say) but other than that he was getting laughs,

  • @61shirley
    @61shirley หลายเดือนก่อน +88

    I’m in the mass deportation crowd. GDP isn’t a pagan god

    • @user-zm3px2qj4m
      @user-zm3px2qj4m หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Deport who though? Students? Key workers?

    • @james5637
      @james5637 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      ​@@user-zm3px2qj4mIllegal or purely economic migrants, and any non-nationals who are a tax drain. I.e on benefits or not contributing as much as they are costing the national money pot.
      You know, the way almost every single country runs.

    • @grannyannie2948
      @grannyannie2948 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      As an Australian I agree. We have some who have committed horrendous crimes, but don't get sent back. GDP increases the governments borrowing capacity, but it doesn't improve living standards per capita.

    • @AnAn___
      @AnAn___ หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "
      @61shirley
      2 hours ago
      I’m in the mass deportation crowd. GDP isn’t a pagan god" Wouldn't this mean that the UK rapidly devolves into a middle income country comparable to Mexico? Wouldn't this mean massive tax increases, spending cuts, massively lower real wages and incomes, and a UK almost entirely owned and controlled by foreigners? A per capita income lower than Malaysia, Eastern Europe, or almost every European country?
      Is this really what you want?

    • @AnAn___
      @AnAn___ หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@grannyannie2948 Immigration increases per capita income because immigrants outperform multi-generational locals.

  • @ggd1444
    @ggd1444 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It’s hardly a debate really. Migration is necessary and unavoidable. However educating, employing and paying British people fairly is integral to a successful British society. This country is being ripped limb from limb by multi-national corporations, tax avoidance and profiteering off of national services.

  • @kcperception3895
    @kcperception3895 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Konstantin was clearly the most intelligent person in this conversation. Excellent work

    • @markcalzaverini
      @markcalzaverini หลายเดือนก่อน

      He is a complete and utter tool

  • @suvorovetz642
    @suvorovetz642 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Isn't Polly just lying straight off the bat by declaring the majority of illegals skilled?

    • @baltasarnoreno5973
      @baltasarnoreno5973 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      She's not lying. Iraq, Eritrea, Afghanistan and Somalia are full to bursting point with veterinary surgeons, software programmers, database engineers, AI engineers, oncologists, dialysis nurses etc. You can't swing a cat in downtown Mogadishu without walloping half a dozen PhDs.

    • @suvorovetz642
      @suvorovetz642 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@baltasarnoreno5973, clearly - just look at the bearded guys with guns strolling in boats up and down the coast of Africa.

    • @petercharles2347
      @petercharles2347 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Of course she’s lying she works for the Guardian..

  • @optimusd3854
    @optimusd3854 หลายเดือนก่อน +201

    I would like Aaron Bastani and Polly Toynbee to declare whether they have an vested interest in the very lucrative immigration industry, I want to know if they really believe that importing 3rd world unskilled people who don't share culture, religion or language into a society like Britain really is beneficial or whether they are simply continuing some grift because it benefits their career or them financially and socially.

    • @markoarcabic
      @markoarcabic หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      have a look at the debate, Bastani was actually for control, unlike Polly...

    • @robinterry9387
      @robinterry9387 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      This assunes that most British people have a grasp on culture 😂

    • @anteep4900
      @anteep4900 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I wouldnt put Bastani in the same boat as Polly. Polly is just unhinged - the classic white female liberal

    • @jimmyfaulkner5746
      @jimmyfaulkner5746 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      ​@markoarcabic aron has a child now so is starting to realise that his fully automated socialism would just be another bloodstained utopia once achieved

    • @SuperKripke
      @SuperKripke หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      What do you mean by the "lucrative immigration industry".

  • @nzreggae2534
    @nzreggae2534 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Polly's book on Britains open borders mass immigration levels, to be released in time to influence British voters minds before the election, is called 'the only way is up'.

  • @garyscott3300
    @garyscott3300 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Listening to all the Islamic adverts interrupting this video is insane

  • @coraynbell8991
    @coraynbell8991 หลายเดือนก่อน +191

    I am with Matt and Konstantin! The rest is B.S

    • @dominionphilosophy3698
      @dominionphilosophy3698 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      The rest is a grift. The rest is your enemy, and mine.

    • @wiLLmo12235
      @wiLLmo12235 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Matt was MVP by far. But I'd give the runner up position to The Novara guy. He surprisingly sounded sensible at times which is refreshing. Konstantin gets the award for most cringe performance with his constant pausing for applause that never came. You could practically hear the crickets. Polly gets the award for being the absolute worst.

    • @shazanali692
      @shazanali692 หลายเดือนก่อน

      if they are your ENEMY why are you using TH-cam that was invented by multicultural people

    • @lasttango7522
      @lasttango7522 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@dominionphilosophy3698 I totally agree. The commie should be ashamed. Oh wait a minute will not affect him. Hypocritical.

  • @Itskilo
    @Itskilo หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    Honestly, how tf can we still possibly be asking this.

    • @Gooseplan
      @Gooseplan หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Because there are different perspectives on it?

  • @03samjon1
    @03samjon1 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great speech from Konstantin but my god Matthew Goodwin that was a show stopping speech

  • @kevinbillington9773
    @kevinbillington9773 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Didn't Robert Mugabe study at university in the UK, such a great friend Polly.

  • @patriciasanderson2171
    @patriciasanderson2171 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

    If you water down wine so much it ends up not being wine anymore. The Uk is on a fast track to being a big mess if cultures, not one unifying culture that everybody wants to join. No, it’s been detrimental to the people of the British isles and it’s already diverse cultures of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Nothing could be clearer when you listen to the hateful speech by Hanza Yusef at his disgust at too many white people being in Scottish parliament.

    • @robertryan6782
      @robertryan6782 หลายเดือนก่อน

      'Hunza Yusef' - It spoke volumes enough when you spoke nonsense about his speech and how you along with many others took it out of context but misspelling the man's name is hardly a surprise either, either stupidity or something a lot more worse.

    • @cindertoffy3013
      @cindertoffy3013 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@robertryan6782Can you explain the context please.

    • @johnpaulnash8144
      @johnpaulnash8144 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Being White is an immutable characteristic. A rant against white people in a white country is the anti white racism that seems to get a free pass by woke progressives. Just replace White with Black if it helps you understand.

    • @action1976
      @action1976 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@robertryan6782 No, it was very easy to understand Humza Useless hatred for white people. He didn't like white people in positions of power. He needs to be voted out at the next election, and I think the SNP are on a drubbing like the tories.

    • @snowflakemelter1172
      @snowflakemelter1172 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And what's the context of a lack of non white people in high positions in Scotland that is 96 % white ? Humza either can't do maths or he's a racist.

  • @Badtastemamma
    @Badtastemamma หลายเดือนก่อน +64

    Of they stopped paying to accommodate ILLEGAL immigrants they may be able to put all that money into the care system and infrastructure..hospitals schools dentists the health care system

    • @grannyannie2948
      @grannyannie2948 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Exactly. When they said eight million a day to house migrants I thought how many nurses would that pay for in nursing homes.

    • @N.i.c.k.H
      @N.i.c.k.H หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's not that simple. You have to stop them coming in in the first place or else failing to accomodate them will just force them into crime or begging on the streets

    • @forret
      @forret หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Legal immigration costs us 10’s of billion a year as well

    • @grannyannie2948
      @grannyannie2948 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@forret Ofcourse it does. Even if they contribute by working, it's still constant catch up, building more roads, houses, hospitals and schools.

    • @robm8809
      @robm8809 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And that £8,000,000 figure is out of date now, it was correct last year. Now, it's reckoned to be about £12,000,000, and even higher by some.

  • @TOAOM123
    @TOAOM123 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It use to be an issue that people in ireland mostly speak english instead of irish
    Now its becoming more of an issue that the majority speak neither english nor irish

  • @ggagg123
    @ggagg123 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    No. A controlled very small number of immigration is good, a few thousands. But the number now is beyond a joke. No wonder our services are under pressure, can't get a seat on a train, can't get a dentist, can't get a house, and our green fields are disappearing. It's horrendous.

    • @dannytoots6635
      @dannytoots6635 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I had a seat on a train today, managed to get an NHS dental appointment without being a registered patient and have a mortgage. You are spouting daily mail bullshit and have no basis for these dangerous, moronic assertions.. cretin.

    • @Locke350
      @Locke350 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dannytoots6635Where do you live Danny Boy? The only way I can get dental appointments for where I live is through a dental plan.

    • @dannytoots6635
      @dannytoots6635 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Locke350 just by Bloomsbury Square in London and Cambridge up until last year. If you need an emergency NHS appointment you can get it via 111.

    • @dannytoots6635
      @dannytoots6635 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Locke350 and don’t blame it on immigration 😂 blame it on chronic underfunding. Stop buying into the Tory/tabloid narrative.

    • @Locke350
      @Locke350 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dannytoots6635 There you go, in well-off places. And not everyone can just call for emergency appointments at the last minute as a lot of people have weekday jobs.

  • @Elaine-gl7en
    @Elaine-gl7en หลายเดือนก่อน +202

    Here’s an idea… train Brits

    • @FormulaProg
      @FormulaProg หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Who, the iPad kids? They can't even use correct English in a sentence. Parents don't bring up their kids properly anymore, foreign or not.

    • @DorotheaAntonio
      @DorotheaAntonio หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Exactly, invest in Brits and not import cheap labour!!!

    • @blondie7341
      @blondie7341 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@FormulaProgI'm English, can trace my family back to the Norman conquest. I'm bringing up my son alone since divorcing my abusive hysband. My son has good morals, ethics, good grades at school and is in the top sets for all subjects. I work as well. Your opinion is wrong. Parents who are doing a shit job of parenting aren't exactly getting support to do better when both parents have to work to keep food on the table and are constantly told they're shit because they're British, and constantly being put below criminal foreigners. Maybe if the government brought in financial support for us to have enough of our own babies AND be able to bring them up ourselves rather than having to put them into childcare for 8 hrs a day, we could fill all the posts that need filling. And that includes paying a LIVING wage so we dont need to take in work benefits. Maybe if they had built enough houses instead of restricting supply, we'd be able to afford to buy our own houses. But no, people like you, who I'm assuming are a boomer or similar, are sitting pretty in your houses that you bought when mortgages were affordable, looking down on the rest of us who came after you. Hang your head in shame your horrible twat.

    • @nevbarnes1034
      @nevbarnes1034 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Oh come on! Next you'll be saying we should build houses for British people.

    • @marumaru6084
      @marumaru6084 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Labour shut the training colleges!

  • @lesleymanchester7149
    @lesleymanchester7149 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    Polly can't hear... Can't get an appointment at the DRS for a hearing aid😂😂😂

    • @gluehoof573
      @gluehoof573 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      She can't: Too many immigrants in the queue already. 😅

    • @deepstateglobalgala
      @deepstateglobalgala หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂😡😜👍

    • @ihatehandles3
      @ihatehandles3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      most likely, the doctor is a migrant too and they paid someone in their homecountry to get their medical degree and license...

  • @simonstones1918
    @simonstones1918 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Matt Goodwin you star! 💪💪💪

  • @rerunblisters5088
    @rerunblisters5088 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Putting a high price on a genuine marriage is truly evil.

  • @craighart9278
    @craighart9278 หลายเดือนก่อน +78

    Polly T - 'Let them work straight away"
    What's the point in having a work visa system at all? If absolutely anyone can break into the country and are then able to work. 🤦‍♂️
    I despair.

    • @klaus1085
      @klaus1085 หลายเดือนก่อน

      She's a rat

    • @DarkAngel2512
      @DarkAngel2512 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I mean just throw passports away and have no airport checks altogether

    • @OkTxSheepLady
      @OkTxSheepLady หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@DarkAngel2512I see you’ve been watching the videos of the USA southern border with the piles of discarded passports from people who flew to Mexico from China and then walked into California.

    • @DarkAngel2512
      @DarkAngel2512 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@OkTxSheepLady no. I havent. Interesting

    • @davidbarry6900
      @davidbarry6900 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      What kind of work was she envisioning for "asylum seekers"? Is there much of a call for digging trenches? Just curious what kind of work people are qualified for when they can't speak English, and have no paperwork at all, never mind academic or even school-leaving credentials? Just curious if she would, for example, want a young man like that looking after her grandchildren?

  • @piad2102
    @piad2102 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    Disaster.
    Worst thing ever and thye wont go away.

  • @looper2586
    @looper2586 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "You can ignore reality. But you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality." Dope
    .
    “You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.”
    That's from Ayn Rand.

  • @user-ov6kj1li3j
    @user-ov6kj1li3j หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    Title should be: is invasion and colonisation good for the natives?

    • @katherinefullbody4635
      @katherinefullbody4635 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lol

    • @pizzamad3334
      @pizzamad3334 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They bring nothing. At least when Britain went colonising it did something for the locals. We getting swamped and they're living off what our ancestors built up.

  • @Pappagello
    @Pappagello หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    It’s actually crazy how we’re still debating this, our country is collapsing , it will get to a point of no return. We need to stop this, our lives are at risk, our health care is declining , our culture is being taken away from us

    • @aleks71438
      @aleks71438 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This will lead to complete extinction of the British people.

    • @jellybean1976928
      @jellybean1976928 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is impossible to reverse now. The best that can be done is immediate net Zero Immigration for at least 100 years in the West. Then, and only then, can we encourage the many inappropriate immigrants to return to their Homelands and start a process of grieving and repair.

    • @simonstones1918
      @simonstones1918 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      And we the British did nothing to defend our lifestyle and society…

    • @elqord.1118
      @elqord.1118 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha...are you also looking for a ratcatcher to emerge? Perhaps named Adolf?

    • @manfrombritain6816
      @manfrombritain6816 หลายเดือนก่อน

      there will be a far right backlash because we are not going to turn this tide back in any more measured way, and it's inevitable that if it continues it will get to breaking point

  • @kc_cobra
    @kc_cobra หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I love how the person getting the most laughs in the room wasn't even trying to be a comedian.
    Bless her little Guardian soul.

    • @Lyn-in-Herts
      @Lyn-in-Herts หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂 soo funny x

  • @illfightyounaked6696
    @illfightyounaked6696 หลายเดือนก่อน +492

    It's insulting that Konstantin has to listen to this crap.

    • @grannyannie2948
      @grannyannie2948 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      KK. He loves it. It was Matt I wanted to listen to.

    • @markayzenshtadt7200
      @markayzenshtadt7200 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      And everyone else as well.

    • @robinterry9387
      @robinterry9387 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      He is God afterall.

    • @illfightyounaked6696
      @illfightyounaked6696 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @robinterry9387
      The old woman was a waste of everyones time. When high caliber people who could continue being useful are stuck listening to clowns who think calling everyone racist works on anyone with an above room temperature IQ, its insulting to everyone.

    • @greglyons2526
      @greglyons2526 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Grow up

  • @TPT6148
    @TPT6148 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Surely it's a matter of scale - immigration in small numbers of people who integrate into our society is fine as it's not going to alter the structure and nature of our country.

    • @Stoddardian
      @Stoddardian หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That bridge has passed. It needs to stop now.

  • @elias.knotman
    @elias.knotman หลายเดือนก่อน +73

    Polly Toynbee is genuinely very funny, like someone from another era. Is she drunk? Pythonesque

    • @raybrandt
      @raybrandt หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Ahh... Unintended comedy. My favourite!

    • @james5637
      @james5637 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      If you watch her segments on 2x speed she's far more bearable.

    • @going2Mars
      @going2Mars หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      No, she’s delusional…always has been

    • @dominionphilosophy3698
      @dominionphilosophy3698 หลายเดือนก่อน

      She is not funny, she has always been dangerous. A woman who does not know what she’s is talking about, but is a political hack journalist who has enriched herself while destroying the U.K. A North London parasite, like them all.

    • @jackkruese4258
      @jackkruese4258 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No she just ignores facts.

  • @LS-xs7sg
    @LS-xs7sg หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    We need to think about dividing the country up into a traditional nation and the civic model of the nation. The metropolitan liberal class simply don’t have the moral right to transform the ethnic character of the country.

    • @css7765
      @css7765 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      My thoughts too

    • @klaus1085
      @klaus1085 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      National divorce sounds bliss!

    • @jannenreuben7398
      @jannenreuben7398 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Those types believe that they and their ideology will be in charge in this brave new world they are creating. They are in for a BIG shock.

  • @suzanneevans4157
    @suzanneevans4157 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    It's shameful that there are so many fools that don't understand how serious the problem is, including those on the stage.

  • @johnsmith-cn5yv
    @johnsmith-cn5yv หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Polys attempt to put logical and financial arguments for migration were hilarious.

  • @zipphora9456
    @zipphora9456 หลายเดือนก่อน +90

    One of my British friends once said this to me: 'We did Brexit. Super! Now we don’t have immigrants from Europe who have similar values and culture like us. Now we have immigrants from third world countries who are not willing to integrate and have a totally different culture than us. Seems like a win, right?!”
    I think this describes the current situation in the UK perfectly.

    • @cynthiamartini8982
      @cynthiamartini8982 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Complete Brexit would have meant leaving the ECHR. Brexit meant we wouldn’t be forced to take immigrants. Brexit didn’t happen so can’t blame it. The government decided to take in all those people.

    • @Mark-jb1fj
      @Mark-jb1fj หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Even when in the EU more immigrants were from outwith Europe

    • @antoniotorcoli5740
      @antoniotorcoli5740 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The ECHR has nothing to do with the EU.

    • @ln5747
      @ln5747 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Clearly zero actual experience of Britain pre and post Brexit 🙄

    • @ln5747
      @ln5747 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Jimmycricket- I live in England you numpty 🤣

  • @siheath3648
    @siheath3648 หลายเดือนก่อน +93

    "I'm Polly Toynbee, I write a column in the Guardian..."
    *rolls eyes* here we go...

    • @daveharrison61
      @daveharrison61 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Hey. Polly genuinely amazed me in this debate.
      Amazed me that her speaking can be less coherent and considered than her written garbage.

    • @paultoseland9524
      @paultoseland9524 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@sakuraba7870of course she does, she writes for The Guardian and is probably friends with Owen Jones

    • @Moonuuu
      @Moonuuu หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@sakuraba7870but why left support Islamist

  • @MarkCW
    @MarkCW หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    One of my annoyances is when people use acronyms without explaining them first. So for the benefit of the viewers: European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCH) and European Research Group (ERG). It's lucky we have the Internet these days!

  • @MichaelScheepers
    @MichaelScheepers หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What a wonderful format to hear respectful discussion on important topics. Polly is a little out of her league though. Listening to her simplistic arguments, it feels like a primary school student trying to hold her own amongst university students. A bit dissapointing considering the importance of the topic. Not a great advert for The Gaurdian.