@@PassionWagonYT I'm even more hyped now with the R.E.V.O announcement. Gonna jump right into it to be as sweaty as possible at this game when VF6 drops 🤣
I'm there with ya bud. I recently went back to playing VF5 Ultimate Showdown again after wasting my time with Tekken 8, and it was a huge breath of fresh air.
the backlash towards Tekken 8 is sooo crazy and genuinely disturbing and befuddling. When it came out it was heaped with praise and now it’s shit on, and like you said in 6 months or a year it will be fine again. It’s craziness
EXACTLY! Everybody loved it for a while and then the next day it was the worst thing ever.The change was so abrupt it's annoying. And I saw this happen with many games like SF6, SF5, Dragon Bal Fighterz, even T7 to some extent, but maybe cause T7 was not very popular at launch people were more chill about it. But I remember that players talked about 2d characters like Akuma stole their wife or something 😂 But yeah, it will be fine again and when Tekken 9 launch we'll have the same conversation 🤦♂ it really looks like its about something greater than the games itself, it's really interesting
Yeah, even Maximilian talked about this “whining phase” on his stream that right now its part of the FGC for any big fighting game. People start whining about it nonstop 4-6 months after release until the release anniversary and then glaze it for the rest of its lifespan.
The blue meter was garbage from day one and till is wtf are you talking about, t8 deserve every bit of criticism, while i'm at it sf6 suck as well, for the same reason: universal gimmicks.
A large portion of players started seeing the issues of Tekken 8 earlier than 4-6months. Way earlier. The early high praise was for the story mode. You started noticing how busted it was gameplay wise by the end of its first month when everyone started getting situated with it. The game is not even a year old and already has 8 huge patches to it. No excuse for Namco to release a game that early on in its unfinished state. Tekken 8 should of released next year.
"the [rage art/floor breaks/bounce juggle] was garbage from day one, [t5/t6/tt2/t7] deserves every bit of criticism, these damn gimmicks ruining my pure and technical series" Like honestly, internet has been at this discourse since the rise of online FG communities, and it's a very silly thing to observe in hindsight.
6:50 my wife says the SNK fandom is really chill and cool. So you're fandoms of KOF, Fatal Fury, Samsho, etc probably some other franchises I'm unaware of. I enjoyed your thoughts and perspective and am looking forward to Virtua FIghter 5 Revo as I have not been able to play it and it looks fun. Curious to see how Virtua Fighter 6 develops.
I'm glad you enjoyed it :D Knowing this about the SNK fandom makes me even more excited for City of the Wolves now🔥It's looking very good. But yeah, when I was almost finishing editing this video they droped the R.E.V.O announcement 😂 Can't wait to try it out.
The only negative (so far) about the SNK fandom is that they need to actually need to understand why the Neo Geo consoles failed from back in the day. And no, Mai isn't the best character, Kyo, Iori and Andy are.
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Only the outside world because Latin America and especially Brazil only knows how to talk about KOF 2002 or 98 or 97, we even have a term called "KOF widows" on Brazil, they are those who only play the old ones (mainly 98 or 2002) and think the new ones are for tiktokers
Great video! Really enjoyed the mature look at the community criticism of fighting games, and it was well said. Thanks the video, I'm really hyped for both VF5 REVO and VF6, while still playing VF5 US on PS4 while I'm waiting :) I find the smaller communities tend to be more relaxed. The VF community is great, and as I saw in another comment here, I also felt the SNK community was pretty relaxed too.
@@battlemode Thank you so much! 🙏 I'm glad you enjoyed it :D I'm extremely hyped too, when I was finishing editing this video they dropped the R.E.V.O trailer 🤯 I'll definitely try it. Also, I think you're right, it seems finding a niche game that you like to chill with the community seems to be the best action nowadays :D
6:50 The best online communities tend to be those of niche games, honestly. Guilty Gear is a prime example of this. XX and Xrd have awesome communities who'll usually be happy to welcome you. It has people you can always hop on and play with way less toxicitiy because most people in your (online or offline) region know each other. Strive gets released is now considered mainstream but the western Strive community is one of the worst types of socially inept and weird people in the FGC, tied with Smash, with the dumbest discourses ever.
I see. So It really seems like a side effect of the mainstream popularity then. I remember trying out Xrd years ago and people in lobbies were Extremely nice (After smoking me in the game 😂 of course) They were really open to give me tips as a newcomer and etc. It do look like a nice community. Maybe I'll get back into sometime. About Strive yeah, looking it from outside, it seems like the community is plagued by drama, sadly 😅 wish VF6's popularity when it's out don't create the same toxicity than for instance Tekken's but tbh I dont have many hopes 😂
@@KiaiStudio It's gonna be new players copying some of the older players shit talking Tekken whenever they can. Like how Tekken players like to talk about how complicated Tekken is but in a different game
Its seems like the problems is twitter/Reddit/TH-cam. In tik tok of all things the fandom is pretty chill, i even made some friends here. On the other hand, there is an app called GGPO that is basicaly mobile fightcade but just for mame games (they plan to add Naomi in the future). The games run smoothly and even have rollback netcode. The problem is the chat. More specifically, the chat of the King of Fighters 2002 magic plus. For a better understanding, the most popular games on ggpo are 5: jojo heritage, SF3 Third Strike, Kof 98, kof 2002 and Kof 2002 magic plus. Now i will show you how much active players they mostly have online per day. Jojo: 40 Sf3: 100 Kof 98: 200 Kof 2002: 200/300 Kof 2002 magic plus: 1500 ☠️ So the chat here is very toxic And some mfs even managed to trick the bot and send furry pay gorn (altough this was solved later) Meanwhile somewhat famous games like Garou, Sf alpha 2/3, samurai Shodown are with 5 players per day (and Garou is the 6th place in the most played) Meanwhile my favorite, The Last Blade 2 have 2 players daily (one is me)
Dude, this is so painfuly true. Whenever a game gets too popular, the community starts to absorb a bunch of arrogant fans who start demanding stuff lile they own the developers. This is so damn disgusting, honestly reddit is a big part of the problem
I'm so ready for the Virtua Fighter 5 Revo and Virtua Fighter 6 this winter at the Game Awards. I also want the Virtua Fighter live action movie for the 30th anniversary of Virtua Fighter.
Oh Yeah I'm betting it'll fully be revealed at the Game Awards too. A live action also would be cool, It's been so long since I've seen a martial arts movie... I used to watch it every week
Loved the time I spent with the PS4 version definitely picking up the PC port and the new game I love the phone booth fight style of maulling this game does
@@KiaiStudio Its really deep and basically introduced the fighter customization aspect that Tekken began to implement with Tekken 5. VF4 Evolution did it the best in my opinion.
The reason why they released Virtua Fighter 5 R.E.V.O is a testament if people will actually buy and play it, if this one sells well then you got VF6 back in the works! Oh, and this is actually the first time VF5 being ported to PC. And Virtua Fighter x Tekken needs to happen someday!
Idk man im just gonna sit this one out ive had enough of fighters for awhile now ill probably get it a few years later and love it but right now im just going to enjoy metal gear solid 3 remake and Gta6
Long time virtua fighter player here! been playing since VF1 and I wanted to let everyone know that: A- yes Goh is fucking cool and I enjoyed his unique throws when I used to main him B- if you are a new player DO NOT pick Akira as your first character. VF bucked the trend of making the face of the series easy to play...
As long as it has stable player base, good netcode, and doesn't make so graphically demanding I am sold. Hey, I am coming from DOA 6 so anything can be better LOL. The only issue I had with tekken 8 was the polaris crash which I had to wait for more than 3 month to resolve the issue, which in some degree its been fixed but on seasonal patches it crashes still. I dont want to have to spend upgrading my pc for one game.
The VF6 will still take a while to come. But the VF5 revo that's comming this winter should be reasonable light, cause its a port of an old PS4 game and etc so it should be fine on that department :D
@@NegoClau Ryo learns a lot of different martial arts styles and that would make him a stance character which is very popular archetypes in VF. As well as adding a complex character with multiple play styles based on existing roster characters as well as iconic moves from shenmue itself. He would be essentially like Dural (who I think shouldn’t be a playable character anyway)
@@seily1699 I don't think you understood. I like Tekken 8. And I say in the video that I think Tekken 8 players (like myself) will have an easier time enjoying VF than people comming from T7. Please do not confuse me with those people trashing Tekken 8 nonstop, I don't do this 😅 I like both games actually
They pretty much confirmed without a trailer that a new VF was in the making. When they announced VF5 on PC people were afraid that was the "new VF", but then they accidentally confirmed it was not. Rooflemonger made a video about it, but pretty much there's a modern game in the making that they said is set to compete with Tekken 8
Tekken 8 has sent me running straight toward VF with open arms.
@@PassionWagonYT I'm even more hyped now with the R.E.V.O announcement. Gonna jump right into it to be as sweaty as possible at this game when VF6 drops 🤣
I'm there with ya bud. I recently went back to playing VF5 Ultimate Showdown again after wasting my time with Tekken 8, and it was a huge breath of fresh air.
No it hasn’t stfu
Why yall act like Tekken wasn't always on some crazy shit!. Its been wild. I thought that was the appeal
@@blackrahk2037 Tekken 8 is the problem. It's too stupid.
the backlash towards Tekken 8 is sooo crazy and genuinely disturbing and befuddling. When it came out it was heaped with praise and now it’s shit on, and like you said in 6 months or a year it will be fine again. It’s craziness
EXACTLY! Everybody loved it for a while and then the next day it was the worst thing ever.The change was so abrupt it's annoying. And I saw this happen with many games like SF6, SF5, Dragon Bal Fighterz, even T7 to some extent, but maybe cause T7 was not very popular at launch people were more chill about it. But I remember that players talked about 2d characters like Akuma stole their wife or something 😂 But yeah, it will be fine again and when Tekken 9 launch we'll have the same conversation 🤦♂ it really looks like its about something greater than the games itself, it's really interesting
Yeah, even Maximilian talked about this “whining phase” on his stream that right now its part of the FGC for any big fighting game. People start whining about it nonstop 4-6 months after release until the release anniversary and then glaze it for the rest of its lifespan.
The blue meter was garbage from day one and till is wtf are you talking about, t8 deserve every bit of criticism, while i'm at it sf6 suck as well, for the same reason: universal gimmicks.
A large portion of players started seeing the issues of Tekken 8 earlier than 4-6months. Way earlier. The early high praise was for the story mode. You started noticing how busted it was gameplay wise by the end of its first month when everyone started getting situated with it. The game is not even a year old and already has 8 huge patches to it. No excuse for Namco to release a game that early on in its unfinished state. Tekken 8 should of released next year.
"the [rage art/floor breaks/bounce juggle] was garbage from day one, [t5/t6/tt2/t7] deserves every bit of criticism, these damn gimmicks ruining my pure and technical series"
Like honestly, internet has been at this discourse since the rise of online FG communities, and it's a very silly thing to observe in hindsight.
6:50 my wife says the SNK fandom is really chill and cool. So you're fandoms of KOF, Fatal Fury, Samsho, etc probably some other franchises I'm unaware of. I enjoyed your thoughts and perspective and am looking forward to Virtua FIghter 5 Revo as I have not been able to play it and it looks fun. Curious to see how Virtua Fighter 6 develops.
I'm glad you enjoyed it :D Knowing this about the SNK fandom makes me even more excited for City of the Wolves now🔥It's looking very good. But yeah, when I was almost finishing editing this video they droped the R.E.V.O announcement 😂 Can't wait to try it out.
The only negative (so far) about the SNK fandom is that they need to actually need to understand why the Neo Geo consoles failed from back in the day.
And no, Mai isn't the best character, Kyo, Iori and Andy are.
Only the outside world because Latin America and especially Brazil only knows how to talk about KOF 2002 or 98 or 97, we even have a term called "KOF widows" on Brazil, they are those who only play the old ones (mainly 98 or 2002) and think the new ones are for tiktokers
Ive been a Tekken head for 20 years and I finally tried Virtua fighter 4 and fell in love. Super excited for r.e.v.o.!!
Mee too man I can't wait! Already freed up some space on my PC for it 😆
Great video! Really enjoyed the mature look at the community criticism of fighting games, and it was well said. Thanks the video, I'm really hyped for both VF5 REVO and VF6, while still playing VF5 US on PS4 while I'm waiting :)
I find the smaller communities tend to be more relaxed. The VF community is great, and as I saw in another comment here, I also felt the SNK community was pretty relaxed too.
@@battlemode Thank you so much! 🙏 I'm glad you enjoyed it :D I'm extremely hyped too, when I was finishing editing this video they dropped the R.E.V.O trailer 🤯 I'll definitely try it. Also, I think you're right, it seems finding a niche game that you like to chill with the community seems to be the best action nowadays :D
6:50 The best online communities tend to be those of niche games, honestly.
Guilty Gear is a prime example of this. XX and Xrd have awesome communities who'll usually be happy to welcome you. It has people you can always hop on and play with way less toxicitiy because most people in your (online or offline) region know each other.
Strive gets released is now considered mainstream but the western Strive community is one of the worst types of socially inept and weird people in the FGC, tied with Smash, with the dumbest discourses ever.
I see. So It really seems like a side effect of the mainstream popularity then. I remember trying out Xrd years ago and people in lobbies were Extremely nice (After smoking me in the game 😂 of course) They were really open to give me tips as a newcomer and etc. It do look like a nice community. Maybe I'll get back into sometime. About Strive yeah, looking it from outside, it seems like the community is plagued by drama, sadly 😅 wish VF6's popularity when it's out don't create the same toxicity than for instance Tekken's but tbh I dont have many hopes 😂
@@KiaiStudio It's gonna be new players copying some of the older players shit talking Tekken whenever they can. Like how Tekken players like to talk about how complicated Tekken is but in a different game
@@paulpangilinan6671 Oh boy you're right 🤣 Maybe at least we'll see Tekken 8 players defending their game for once 😅😂
Its seems like the problems is twitter/Reddit/TH-cam. In tik tok of all things the fandom is pretty chill, i even made some friends here.
On the other hand, there is an app called GGPO that is basicaly mobile fightcade but just for mame games (they plan to add Naomi in the future). The games run smoothly and even have rollback netcode.
The problem is the chat. More specifically, the chat of the King of Fighters 2002 magic plus. For a better understanding, the most popular games on ggpo are 5: jojo heritage, SF3 Third Strike, Kof 98, kof 2002 and Kof 2002 magic plus.
Now i will show you how much active players they mostly have online per day.
Jojo: 40
Sf3: 100
Kof 98: 200
Kof 2002: 200/300
Kof 2002 magic plus: 1500 ☠️
So the chat here is very toxic And some mfs even managed to trick the bot and send furry pay gorn (altough this was solved later)
Meanwhile somewhat famous games like Garou, Sf alpha 2/3, samurai Shodown are with 5 players per day (and Garou is the 6th place in the most played)
Meanwhile my favorite, The Last Blade 2 have 2 players daily (one is me)
Dude, this is so painfuly true. Whenever a game gets too popular, the community starts to absorb a bunch of arrogant fans who start demanding stuff lile they own the developers. This is so damn disgusting, honestly reddit is a big part of the problem
Great break down
I only play on PC and really want to try the game out
Thank you! Yeah I'm glad they're bringing it to PC
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hahaha Thanks!!
great info and nice social commentary
@@ashjudd Thank you!🙏 I'm glad you liked it :D
Average big 3 fan VS Average Doushin/Kusoge/Indie fg enjoyer:
@@MegafanX123 Lmao EXACTLY, perfectly put hahah
Average Fist of the north star Arcsystem enjoyer
@@RootatouilleSH Average Spectral VS Generation, Akatsuki Blitzkampf, Dual Souls The Last Bearer and E's Laf++ enjoyer:
@@MegafanX123 I want to do a video on E's Laf++ it looks so sick
I'm so ready for the Virtua Fighter 5 Revo and Virtua Fighter 6 this winter at the Game Awards.
I also want the Virtua Fighter live action movie for the 30th anniversary of Virtua Fighter.
Oh Yeah I'm betting it'll fully be revealed at the Game Awards too. A live action also would be cool, It's been so long since I've seen a martial arts movie... I used to watch it every week
Loved the time I spent with the PS4 version definitely picking up the PC port and the new game I love the phone booth fight style of maulling this game does
Oh Yeah bro it's 90% range zero stuff, I like it too
I've been playing vf5us for a while now and I can't wait to see how far I will go in a vf6.
@@Xenohaste You'll definitely be on the side off the higher-level players when it eventualy launches.
Quest mode or having something similar is crucial for me. It’s the main reason I played VF so much since back in the day.
@@RolandDS I'm very curious about quest mode because I always hear nothing but praises of it
@@KiaiStudio Its really deep and basically introduced the fighter customization aspect that Tekken began to implement with Tekken 5. VF4 Evolution did it the best in my opinion.
The reason why they released Virtua Fighter 5 R.E.V.O is a testament if people will actually buy and play it, if this one sells well then you got VF6 back in the works!
Oh, and this is actually the first time VF5 being ported to PC.
And Virtua Fighter x Tekken needs to happen someday!
You're right. I also think they are planning to use the R.E.V.O to collect more player data to make the VF6. Now a VF x Tekken would be a dream!
Idk man im just gonna sit this one out ive had enough of fighters for awhile now ill probably get it a few years later and love it but right now im just going to enjoy metal gear solid 3 remake and Gta6
Long time virtua fighter player here! been playing since VF1 and I wanted to let everyone know that:
A- yes Goh is fucking cool and I enjoyed his unique throws when I used to main him
B- if you are a new player DO NOT pick Akira as your first character. VF bucked the trend of making the face of the series easy to play...
Akira looks like such a dedicated martial artist that i could almost feel that he would be hard to master 😂
As long as it has stable player base, good netcode, and doesn't make so graphically demanding I am sold. Hey, I am coming from DOA 6 so anything can be better LOL. The only issue I had with tekken 8 was the polaris crash which I had to wait for more than 3 month to resolve the issue, which in some degree its been fixed but on seasonal patches it crashes still. I dont want to have to spend upgrading my pc for one game.
The VF6 will still take a while to come. But the VF5 revo that's comming this winter should be reasonable light, cause its a port of an old PS4 game and etc so it should be fine on that department :D
as long as jean cujo is in it im playing it 💯
@@madmanwristy9052 Oh yeah, he's gotta be there 🔥
Darkstalkers vampire savior
Do you play it on the Capcom Fighting Collection? I might try it someday
@KiaiStudio ye
I want Ryo Hazuki as a guest as well
@@NGAMAKANUI Oh yeah! Another one that's Extremely likely. That would be sick 🔥
But he's basically Akira Yuki as a JRPG MC.
@@NegoClau Ryo learns a lot of different martial arts styles and that would make him a stance character which is very popular archetypes in VF. As well as adding a complex character with multiple play styles based on existing roster characters as well as iconic moves from shenmue itself. He would be essentially like Dural (who I think shouldn’t be a playable character anyway)
I hope SEGA takes their time, because I'll need to build a new PC to run it. :)
@@CodySharpe I think you have AT LEAST one year :D I expect something like mid 2026 but its hard to predict 😅
Now 50 50s are okay when its VF? >the Tekken community who want to replace their game with VF so badly because casino hurt their feelings
@@seily1699 I don't think you understood. I like Tekken 8. And I say in the video that I think Tekken 8 players (like myself) will have an easier time enjoying VF than people comming from T7. Please do not confuse me with those people trashing Tekken 8 nonstop, I don't do this 😅 I like both games actually
Did I miss something? VF 6? I thought we just gonna have VF5 on PC.
VF6 is all but officially confirmed at this point.
@@PingTPunk-rq9us not if 5 sells like ass
They pretty much confirmed without a trailer that a new VF was in the making. When they announced VF5 on PC people were afraid that was the "new VF", but then they accidentally confirmed it was not. Rooflemonger made a video about it, but pretty much there's a modern game in the making that they said is set to compete with Tekken 8
You from Brazil?
@@NegoClau BRAZIL MENTIONED 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
Sou sim kk
Safado!
kkkkkk aff achei q vc não ia ver esse comentário, agr fui exposto por ser BR e não manjar mto de KoF 🤣😅
@@KiaiStudio tá perdoado. A não ser que vc comece a jogar de Rugal. Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
@@NegoClau kkkkkkkk ok não vou
Thumbnail too strong.
Akira is like: 🤫🧏♂
Average Raven and Yoshimitsu fan vs The Kage enjoyer 🥷
Kage's moveset looks sick... I might try him too