"This is our opportunity." 🎉 So many hopeful and encouraging concepts in here. Thank you! And thanks for your balanced, well thought out perspectives. I feel confident to share this with friends from both sides of the political line, for mutual discussion and understanding. So appreciate you making this available to us regular plebs. 😊 Thank you
Great lecture as usual! Two comments : * sun never sets in the BE is a spatial concept, as in they had colonies all over the place so that it was day in at least one part of the BE at any time. How did you turn it to a time concept? * More importantly, how is it consistent to mention individuality and then hold as equally important the freedom for some people to choose to oppress others just because they operate in some religious frame? In this case is it not as simple as the Greek concept of my freedom ends where another's freedom begins?
Heres a thought Well the end of history ever see The Ubermench and overman sitting on the highest mountains or well it be a more human-centric guided age more focused on empathy and pitty as apposed to trance-humanistic values.
What the fuck was I smoking when I wrote this I mean Jesus fucking Christ what the fuck was I trying to say. dude I'm sorry this comment was stupid Please forgive me. (or don't its up to you man)
Wes, it's incorrect to say that in the USA, people are no poorer now than 20 or 50 years back. Zero wage growth since the late 70s, out of control costs of living around housing & health, gentrification / social cleansing, job insecurity. The average 1 working parent family having a home and relative stability is decimated because of costs, the profits of said all accrued up to the 1% vacuum at the top. It is not simply a case of a larger gap. The foundations are gone for blue collar workers, much of it down to neoliberal / neocon policies which are just money mechanisms at root. Taxes on the wealthy in 70s were at 90%, now Elon Musk complains about his effective rate of 3%. You cannot say that this has not caused a massive problem of unsustainability. Like a tanker that takes a long time and distance to slow down, Reaganomics carried through Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden...you are seeing the results of trickle-down and rampant corporate corruption. You sometimes make facile sweeping statements, much as I love your lectures.
Like speed, poverty is relative. He missed that idea. I also wish he would talk more about "politics=divide to rule" with current examples. There's plenty
MikeLtheSoulChild : Thank you, but what do you mean by "Common knowledge", and where is he talking about that in this text ? History actually goes on for him. Large quotes inc. : (not "end of history" but changeover from "history" to "self-made history" (sorry for my english)) This is from the Phenomenology etc : "Time therefore appears as spirit's destiny and necessity, where spirit is not yet complete within itself; it is the necessity compelling spirit to enrich the share self-consciousness has in consciousness, to put into motion the immediacy of the inherent nature (which is the form in which the substance is present in consciousness); or, conversely, to realize and make manifest what is inherent, regarded as inward and immanent, to make manifest that which is at first within, that is to say to vindicate it for spirit's certainty of self. [...] "and only as this process of reflecting itself into itself is it essentially and in truth spirit. It is inherently the movement which is the process of knowledge - the transforming of that inherent nature into explicitness, of Substance into Subject, of the object of consciousness into the object of self-consciousness, i.e. into an object that is at the same time transcended - in other words, into the notion. This transforming process is a cycle that returns into itself, a cycle that presupposes its beginning, and reaches its beginning only at the end. So far as spirit, then, is of necessity this self-distinction, it appears as a single whole, intuitively apprehended, over against its simple self-consciousness. And since that whole is what is distinguished, it is distinguished into the intuitively apprehended pure notion, Time, and the Content, the inherent, implicit, nature." (close to the end of the book) and :
and : "The goal, which is Absolute Knowledge or Spirit knowing itself as Spirit, finds its pathway in the recollection of spirits. [...] Their conservation, looked at from the side of their free existence appearing in the form of contingency, is History; looked at from the side of their intellectually comprehended organization, it is the Science of the ways in which knowledge appears. Both together, or History (intellectually) comprehended (begriffen), form at once the recollection and the Golgotha of Absolute Spirit, the reality, the truth, the certainty of its throne, without which it were lifeless, solitary, and alone ; only 'The chalice of this realm of spirits / Foams forth to God His own Infinitude' " (end of the Phenomenology)
Dude that fucking painting you're now using for your thumbnail makes you like the ghost of Old Hickory. I'm not kidding here, it's fucking scary, it honestly makes you look like you wear a black robe all day.....and Darth Vader is somehow your teacher's assistant. If you suddenly became the next dictator of Seattle, I'm sure that's the picture your secret police goons would hang everywhere all over the city to let everyone know that "Wes Cecil is always watching you"....I totally miss the zen garden rocks......tell Satan he did a great job sketching you. I'm gonna start being extra nice to you.
Strange that in 1 hour of talks about the actual state of the world you never mentioned the concept of "justice", not even once. How about a new episode: Uses of Philosophy for Living: Justice.
@@a.randomjack6661 Of course "there is no justice"; that is why we have (through Reason) to implement it. The Dialectics predict that at one moment in time Meritocracy will prevail against Plutocracy.
After you are done and you sleep and you have nothing to do > sounds lile a dying person . Soviet system lost its usefulness and that caused this fukuayama guy talk like a man on his death bed.
Hegel talked in grandiose abstractions that are impossible to disprove. Kind of like a "Love Conquers All" platitude or proverb of that stripe. Hegel's vision would only be debunkable after an infinitude of time has already passed. This makes it impossible to refute, and kind of silly to even talk about. As far as I know he never specified when HISTORY WOULD END only that IT COULD. Imagining him as a kind of mild conspircy theorist like Doc from Back to the Future would do him justice. Fukuyama, for all his rhetoric, only really claims that the structures of polities are homogenizing into a single crisp definition i.e. Western Liberalism. If no new political structure emerges in time then Fukuyama will be dead on right I'm afraid. Now if we for some reason abandoned Fukuyama's overt focus on the science of governance we could more reqdily disagree. Maybe a new world champion athlete will earn 24 gold medals at the next 2020 Summer Olympics. This would implicate huge change (or even progress?) in the domain of international athletics competitions, but it would still only be made possible under the current "World-Corporate State." AKA Globalized Western Liberalism + Tech. So in the end neither Hegel nor Fukushima were wrong. You just didn't really understand them. Only when everybody lives aboard the Starship Enterprise near the Crab Nebula with Wall-E running the game, would "history" maybe resume. For now, the system is stuck in one mode and our conversation should be tabled. Really.
Shared again on Feb. 13th 2022. I wonder if anyone will listen this time.
Thank you professor, I was just revisiting your history.
"May you live in interesting times."
"This is our opportunity." 🎉
So many hopeful and encouraging concepts in here. Thank you!
And thanks for your balanced, well thought out perspectives. I feel confident to share this with friends from both sides of the political line, for mutual discussion and understanding.
So appreciate you making this available to us regular plebs. 😊
Thank you
Thank you Professor Cecil!!!
this is a gem. Thanks Mr. Cecil!
Inspiring & most relevant in this day and age, thanks again
Sir, could you please do Albert Camus??
thanks for enlightening us with philosophy !
thank you very much for another great lecture
Fantastic as always, thanks Wes
perfect fridaynite 2 am
really? it's around 8:45pm here. Probably 7 or 6 on the West coast.
Rainbow Bubbles probably somewhere in Europe.
digitalscales I'm now reading this comment fri night at 2am lol
Great lecture! Thank you so much from Europe!
You give me hope, so thanks for that
Great lecture as usual!
Two comments :
* sun never sets in the BE is a spatial concept, as in they had colonies all over the place so that it was day in at least one part of the BE at any time. How did you turn it to a time concept?
* More importantly, how is it consistent to mention individuality and then hold as equally important the freedom for some people to choose to oppress others just because they operate in some religious frame? In this case is it not as simple as the Greek concept of my freedom ends where another's freedom begins?
Is it "the tower of babel" or "the end of history"?
Thanks for uploading more regularly.
A government in fear reaches for the truncheon, and blindly wails in the direction of the problem.
Gotta love boethius
thattta boy Wes, Stoicism is back ask Massimo
"End of History" "thinking" seems associated with Classical (as opposed to Decadent) societies.
Heres a thought Well the end of history ever see The Ubermench and overman sitting on the highest mountains or well it be a more human-centric guided age more focused on empathy and pitty as apposed to trance-humanistic values.
What the fuck was I smoking when I wrote this I mean Jesus fucking Christ what the fuck was I trying to say. dude I'm sorry this comment was stupid Please forgive me. (or don't its up to you man)
HAHAHAHA
Wes, it's incorrect to say that in the USA, people are no poorer now than 20 or 50 years back. Zero wage growth since the late 70s, out of control costs of living around housing & health, gentrification / social cleansing, job insecurity. The average 1 working parent family having a home and relative stability is decimated because of costs, the profits of said all accrued up to the 1% vacuum at the top. It is not simply a case of a larger gap. The foundations are gone for blue collar workers, much of it down to neoliberal / neocon policies which are just money mechanisms at root. Taxes on the wealthy in 70s were at 90%, now Elon Musk complains about his effective rate of 3%. You cannot say that this has not caused a massive problem of unsustainability. Like a tanker that takes a long time and distance to slow down, Reaganomics carried through Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden...you are seeing the results of trickle-down and rampant corporate corruption. You sometimes make facile sweeping statements, much as I love your lectures.
Like speed, poverty is relative. He missed that idea. I also wish he would talk more about "politics=divide to rule" with current examples. There's plenty
Warren Zevon.
How come this episode has only 170+ likes ?
Out of almost 8000 views.
where do you think hegel is talking about the end of history ?
Pré Nom Hegel DOES talk about the end of history in his Phemenologie Des Geist, it's Common knowledge really!
MikeLtheSoulChild : Thank you, but what do you mean by "Common knowledge", and where is he talking about that in this text ? History actually goes on for him. Large quotes inc. :
(not "end of history" but changeover from "history" to "self-made history" (sorry for my english))
This is from the Phenomenology etc :
"Time therefore appears as spirit's destiny and necessity, where spirit is not yet complete within itself; it is the necessity compelling spirit to enrich the share self-consciousness has in consciousness, to put into motion the immediacy of the inherent nature (which is the form in which the substance is present in consciousness); or, conversely, to realize and make manifest what is inherent, regarded as inward and immanent, to make manifest that which is at first within, that is to say to vindicate it for spirit's certainty of self.
[...]
"and only as this process of reflecting itself into itself is it essentially and in truth spirit. It is inherently the movement which is the process of knowledge - the transforming of that inherent nature into explicitness, of Substance into Subject, of the object of consciousness into the object of self-consciousness, i.e. into an object that is at the same time transcended - in other words, into the notion. This transforming process is a cycle that returns into itself, a cycle that presupposes its beginning, and reaches its beginning only at the end. So far as spirit, then, is of necessity this self-distinction, it appears as a single whole, intuitively apprehended, over against its simple self-consciousness. And since that whole is what is distinguished, it is distinguished into the intuitively apprehended pure notion, Time, and the Content, the inherent, implicit, nature." (close to the end of the book)
and :
and :
"The goal, which is Absolute Knowledge or Spirit knowing itself as Spirit, finds its pathway in the recollection of spirits. [...] Their conservation, looked at from the side of their free existence appearing in the form of contingency, is History; looked at from the side of their intellectually comprehended organization, it is the Science of the ways in which knowledge appears. Both together, or History (intellectually) comprehended (begriffen), form at once the recollection and the Golgotha of Absolute Spirit, the reality, the truth, the certainty of its throne, without which it were lifeless, solitary, and alone ; only 'The chalice of this realm of spirits / Foams forth to God His own Infinitude' " (end of the Phenomenology)
Lol, I wish we somehow could give audiolink to Fukuyama to listen this one.The End of History, what a nonsense?!
It was a great gimmick to sell a lot of books.
Haha, history does indeed march on.
at 17:00 I'm like ... the bitcoin cometh...
Dude that fucking painting you're now using for your thumbnail makes you like the ghost of Old Hickory. I'm not kidding here, it's fucking scary, it honestly makes you look like you wear a black robe all day.....and Darth Vader is somehow your teacher's assistant. If you suddenly became the next dictator of Seattle, I'm sure that's the picture your secret police goons would hang everywhere all over the city to let everyone know that "Wes Cecil is always watching you"....I totally miss the zen garden rocks......tell Satan he did a great job sketching you. I'm gonna start being extra nice to you.
.....PS.....that painting also makes you look like the villain from ghostbusters 2.....who is also a painting.
Strange that in 1 hour of talks about the actual state of the world you never mentioned the concept of "justice", not even once. How about a new episode: Uses of Philosophy for Living: Justice.
"There is no justice, there's just us" The Oligarchs
@@a.randomjack6661 Of course "there is no justice"; that is why we have (through Reason) to implement it. The Dialectics predict that at one moment in time Meritocracy will prevail against Plutocracy.
How naive this sounds after J6 2021.
Roman Empire: 1800 years. Started small, ended small in another city, but it's one entity nevertheless.
great lecture, but: FUKUSHIMA
first
Hey, don't forget america's empire, and ours never did set.
After you are done and you sleep and you have nothing to do > sounds lile a dying person .
Soviet system lost its usefulness and that caused this fukuayama guy talk like a man on his death bed.
16:00 u cant lose money in real estate
GE is not a great company, sorry.
Hegel talked in grandiose abstractions that are impossible to disprove. Kind of like a "Love Conquers All" platitude or proverb of that stripe. Hegel's vision would only be debunkable after an infinitude of time has already passed. This makes it impossible to refute, and kind of silly to even talk about. As far as I know he never specified when HISTORY WOULD END only that IT COULD. Imagining him as a kind of mild conspircy theorist like Doc from Back to the Future would do him justice.
Fukuyama, for all his rhetoric, only really claims that the structures of polities are homogenizing into a single crisp definition i.e. Western Liberalism. If no new political structure emerges in time then Fukuyama will be dead on right I'm afraid. Now if we for some reason abandoned Fukuyama's overt focus on the science of governance we could more reqdily disagree. Maybe a new world champion athlete will earn 24 gold medals at the next 2020 Summer Olympics. This would implicate huge change (or even progress?) in the domain of international athletics competitions, but it would still only be made possible under the current "World-Corporate State." AKA Globalized Western Liberalism + Tech.
So in the end neither Hegel nor Fukushima were wrong. You just didn't really understand them.
Only when everybody lives aboard the Starship Enterprise near the Crab Nebula with Wall-E running the game, would "history" maybe resume. For now, the system is stuck in one mode and our conversation should be tabled. Really.