Ditching the Duramax Diesel...back to a GM Gas 6.6 truck?
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- I am on my way to trade trucks, and I am trading in the 2020 Duramax Diesel 2500 LTZ for a new 2024 truck with the gas 6.6 engine. I cover my reasonings, as well as some information on towing, gas mileage, ownership costs, and others.
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Most important thing is do what your gut tells you. I've had both, had issues in the gasser 6.6, broke exhaust manifold bolts 3 times. Last time out of warranty so I traded for the diesel. That being said, they all have there issues, as long as your happy with those issues, that's what's important. Thanks for the video
Agreed, every engine has issues, just a question of how prevalent, how preventable, and how much you're willing to deal with that particular issue.
Ford's 7.3 gas has some lifter/cam failures in the early years. Less and less common as the years have gone on. Not a catastrophic failure, nor is it super expensive to fix even if you're out of warranty, which you probably won't be because nearly all of those failures were happening between 20 and 50K miles.
AND, the vast majority of the failures were from fleet trucks (and the E-series vans) due to high idle times, which is something you can control.
Sounds fine with me, versus things like the Powerstroke CP4 blowing up or the Hemi lifters and manifold bolts being almost guaranteed to go, often at 70K+ miles and outside you warranty.
I just did the same thing. I went from a Ford 6.7 powerstroke to a 6.6L gas. I'm not towing over 20k and I'm tired of all the emission issues, repairs and extra costs of owning a diesel over 12 years.
I have the same fifth wheel trailer as you and used to pull it with a 2016 2500 gasser. On flat land it was fine but on the highways in TN with hills it was a dog. To maintain 70 I would have rev the rpms up to 4-5k and gets crazy loud. Recently bought a 2024 3500 AT4 dmax the towing experience is night and day. Super quiet in the hwy and up and down hills. The gasser got about 6 mpg pulling the camper and a recent trip with dmax was between 10-11 mpg driving 70-75 with hills. Couldn’t be happier for now ;)
@@M379-m1s the 2016 6.0 with the 6 speed would be no comparison at all to the new 6.6 with the 10 speed and I can imagine it’s a complete dog. The difference between that and a diesel would be huge. Heck it was pretty big between the 6.6 with a 6 speed. This 10 speed though really closes the gap between the gas and diesel. But you are lucky….i never ever ever passed 9 mpg towing the 278bh in flat Iowa , even at 60 mph with my 2020 duramax. Glad you are happy with your purchase.
Appreciate the feedback and input. My 2016 with the 6.0 had 380 lb-ft and a 4.10 rear end. When compared to a 6.6 gas with 464 lb-ft and a 3.73 rear end the net gain is equates to roughly about 40-50 lb-ft and not enough to make the difference worth it. That said I do agree the 10 speed probably is a huge improvement and I almost went for it. Btw my GD fifth wheel trailer is a 298bh but it and the 278bh look almost identical.
Towed like a dog but still towed right? Personally, I can’t afford a diesel with the epa garbage and potential issues with short drives
Yes it pulled my 11k fifth wheel and maintained 70 on hwy even with hills but had to rev the rpms quite high. Of course the new 6.6 gasser with the 10 speed would do much better than the old 6.0 with the 6 speed.
My RAM 2500 6.4 gasser pulls a 7,000lb travel trailer with ease but the mpg is 9.
I did the same. When the 24 gasser got the 10 speed i jumped on it. I drove a Duramax for 11 years. I love the gasser. Much simpler engine. None of the diesel emissions BS to deal with. Like you mentioned if you actually look at the numbers and do the math. Diesel isn't cheaper. Cost more all around and the emissions systems make it less reliable. My Duramax averaged 14, my gasser averages 12. Gasser is also like 900lbs lighter in the front so it doesn't sink like a rock off pavement.
Exactly. And then there's the whole "resale value" thing. Which is actually bs, you don't get a higher percentage back, you get a higher dollar amount back but you also spent a lot more money to get that diesel in the first place.
The longevity argument has some merit, but nobody wants a modern diesel out of warranty because of the emissions crap.
@SliderFury1 My thoughts also. Diesels use to hold their value better. But with how sketchy the emissions is on them now. It's just not the same. People don't really trust new ones, much less a 5 year old one with 180k miles.
Wow hadnt seen so much ignorance in one statement in a long time... deisels get 1/3rd better fuel economy and way more Torque.... also Even though you use DEF.... if you arent Dumb about it like you people probably are youll get it bulk at the truck stops rather than 2.5 Gallon jugs from the gas stations.. Probably never thought of that.. its not like you have to fill DEF every damn time you fuel..
@@8ball_998I trust my 19 year old one with 112k on it. 😁 I’ll consider a new one for the fact that I’d just like to have something new. But I’ll keep the ‘05 until it just doesn’t run anymore.
I did the same thing in 2021 and havnt looked back once. I’ve loved my 6.6 gas.
I did it in 2020
Made the same decision a year ago. Yes I get 2-3 miles less per gallon towing but I don’t tow every week. Nice to be able to just turn the key, fill up where ever I want and not worry about idle time. Also I do enjoy the sound of the V8 so there’s that. Hope it works out for you too.
@@Lastcall115 interesting, I don’t get about 1 mpg less than my duramax.
It’s funny to me to see diesel/gas people going to war over something as silly as this. Gas and diesel trucks have both come a long way. It’s a pretty formula really. If you tow heavy then you should go diesel. If your towing your 9,000 pound camper go gas🤷♂️ now if you just want either or do it. The arguments over it are hilarious though lol.
Appears you just wanted a new truck.
Your good diesel trade in allowed you to get a newer truck with a less costly motor.
I’ll take 2X the torque any day of the week. If $$$ is an issue - trucks with either motor would be a bad choice.
I’ve owned both trucks, had a 21, 2500 gasser and got 8 mpg towing our camper. Horrible! I felt like I was filling it up all the time. We have a lot of steep grades where I’m at but, just got a 24 2500 Duramax and love it. Speak for yourself but I’ll take the diesel any day of the week for towing.
My dealership also gave me an additional warranty for the life of the loan so I’ll keep it even it something comes up which most of the time the map sensor just needs cleaned and happens on all brands..
You are actually speaking for me 😉. I did agree it’s better for towing, no argument there from me as I stated. If I lived where there were a lot of steep grades I’d certainly have one as well. Enjoy your new truck!
I love my 2024 Duramax
I did the same thing. Sold my 2015 gmc 3500 denali diesel for a 2024 gmc 2500 gas. Fuel mileage,towing,and power were horrible! Had the 24 for 4 months. Bought a 2022 gmc 3500 at4 diesel and couldn't be happier.
@@denali-cc4cr glad you are happy with your purchase. While it gets worse mileage, as I demonstrated in the video , for me, diesel cost more to drive. The only difference I really notice towing is getting going obviously takes almost twice as long to full speed, which was expected. But other than that it’s been good.
sold my duramax bought 2024 f350 7.3 with 4.30 gears i never looked back tied of all the diesel stuff and expense very happy with my decision
Same but with 3.73 gears. Don't tow very often and not in high elevation up steep grades and liked the way the 3.73s felt unloaded on the highway better.
Regardless, the 7.3 is a fantastic engine and the 10-speed pretty much takes care of things regardless of gearing.
My 7.3 started having issues at 35k. So I traded it for my 6.6 gas. 65k on it and no issues yet.
First off 90% of the people who own diesels never use them to tow anything. Why would anyone want all that emissions junk to deal with plus they cost 10 to 12k more than a gas. Cost more to maintain with fuel being more having to buy def fluid cost more for service have to treat the fuel.in the winter time from gelling up. Always worried about going into derate.
I bought a 24 chev gas ltz. My enclosed is only 6000 lb. so it pulls it great. It should, i know.
Banks has an excusive patent on a cold air intake for duramax that actually works & really wakes up duramax engines it wont hurt to look at the results
Excellent truthful video thank you
The diesel is way more powerful, but it's also way more expensive. I can do anything I need with the gas motor, and the old school push rod motors are very reliable and last a long time and much more easier on your pocket book.
So you got tired of your "old" truck & want something new. You do you, but this is exactly why prices have skyrocketed the last 5yrs or so. I can't imagine trading in a vehicle before putting on 150,000+ miles and 8-12yrs.
Getting rid of my 2020 2500hd ltz L5P, when my new f350 with the 7.3l comes in mid September now based on build updates. Ready to "DITCH" this lemon. They can have this diesel. Left stranded in 7 states, over 52 codes so far since new and just hit 60581 miles. Dealerships can't solve the problems, won't solve the problems, and/or GM doesn't stand behind their products.
The new Allison is having valve body issues.
Not all.of them it's more on the diesels not so much the gas ones
Check your oil often with the new gasser. They can have oil consumption issues.
Everything can have issues. I’m never buying anything and might not leave my house ever again.
I've noticed most if not all RV'ers pull into the consumer pumps whether diesel or gas.
Because they're not that bright. They should go to truck stops, but they're to good and don't know truck stop etiquette
I saw the same resale with my truck....diesel is 5k more @ resale, the biggest factor is how many miles
Mine is a 23 High Country gas, looking into a 24 with 10spd...I dont need a diesel ever, just need the payload
I got rid of my diesel and bought a 2024 Chevrolet 6.6 gas 10 speed Allison branded transmission. Kept it 1year. Got rid of it it was in the shop the with transmission problems 3 times. Last time for 20 days. They told me it was a computer issue but couldn’t get it fixed. Very hard shift from 7th to 8th gear. It was very hard when towing. When it shifted you would think that you broke a U joint or something. Also I was very disappointed on how it struggled pulling my 8000 lbs camper.
@@rhod8201 must have had something obviously wrong with the transmission. I’ve towed about 800 miles with this new one so far and it accelerates up hills, doesn’t drop speed like my 6 speed would.
I’m driving a 23’ GMC, 3500, 4x4, Denali, Duramaxx. I will never buy diesel again!
100% agree, this 20 2500 L5P I have is pure junk. I won't ever consider Chevrolet or a diesel again.
What issues are you both seeing?
@@M379-m1s I am experiencing and have experienced trailer disconnects, loss of trailer brakes due to faulty connections, mass air sensors going bad, DBF clogging, misfires, too much air from intake, map absolute pressure problems, trailer sensor above spare going bad, shocks failing, brake noise, mass volume air flow low, injector curcuit malfunction, and now I think the DBF is cracked.
@@M379-m1s bad fuel mileage, 15.5 average, leather seats are uncomfortable and cheap. Wiring issues with trailer and turn signal, rear.
@@kmonto1971 any chance you can take advantage of the lemon laws with that many issues?
I'm in MN too. Can I ask which dealer you did business with?
@@fivesfilms im actually in Iowa but they had the truck I wanted for a good deal and easy to negotiate with. West Metro GMC is the dealer.
Sorry, I saw I-35 and the Northfield exit sign, so I assumed. They’re not too far from me. I had bought my 24 Duramax from new Prague. Traded it for a 24 Ram Cummins and really miss the Chevy. Really considering a gmc at4 now. I like the interior better.
@@fivesfilms IMO the only comparable truck to the 2500 with overall utility features is the f250. The RAM lacks in many ways, bumper to bumper, when you start to compare. Everything from cab size and functionality to bed access, size, and smart packages features. Plus I need buttons…I hate the huge vertical screen inside the ram without the buttons. GM and ford still at least gives you both.
@@Midwestcamperguy You're right about the bed and cab size. I miss the bed size on my Silverado. I still prefer the Ram interior and more comfortable seats and Ram exterior styling, but they need to step it up put out an all new HD truck, competitive to size of Ford and GM. The vertical screen, I agree, I'm more of a fan of the horizontal size.
Diesel fanboy, I have no problem with gas. All our daily drivers are gas. Only our tow vehicle is diesel; my issue is the price of new trucks. For the price, I want the gas engine to last much longer than it's estimated to last (300-400k). If I'm paying 80-100k for a truck, it must go 800-1 million miles.
Pre def fluid generation of diesels I drove diesels almost for free. They retained their value amazingly and I could buy a truck 2 years old and sell it 4 years later for the same or more. Problem now is that reliability is in question and that’s killed the resale. Long term reliability has to be solid or you’re just playing Russian roulette with your wallet.
I would say the difference in the numbers is because the diesel engine weighs more than the gas engine.
Yes, gm accounts some for that extra 800# or whatever it is exactly by increasing the gvwr of the diesel trucks over gas models
I would never own any diesel of any make of truck for the simple fact that the DEF emissions garbage on all of them, more cost, more problems, more headaches I don't need, I will be ridding myself of the 2019 Chevy 3500 I have with 32,000 miles, love the truck love the Duramax matched up Alison, great team but the emission garbage sucks, have had one particulate filter replace under warrantee at 29,000 miles. this is the third Duramax I have owned since 2001 first 2 trucks had over 380,000 on both, this truck, I own now is the first DEF garbage diesel for me and will never own another, I'm going gasser.
Why not go with a 3500. I have the 3500 and didn’t see any logical reason not to. I get 3800 LB payload. The only difference is a beefier frame and two overload leafs. Ride quality is identical, drivetrain, steering and suspension all the same. Cost is marginally higher.
@@jamesjohns4464 because I don’t need 3800 lbs and this was readily available for cheaper? Also the frame is not actually beefier on a 3500. It’s a “3500 frame” bc it has extra brackets for the springs. Difference is 12” ring set and overload spring pack. Dry weight of a 3500 is about 48# more than a 2500.
Do they have LNG options for 6.6 gas ? In the past you could run propane on 6.0L gas.
if u dont make 150k a yr and live in a 80K house... u have no business sacrificing your financial future buying a new 2024 2025 diesel so that u can puff ur chest out to your friends...best to get a 2018 or older if u realy want one..but at that point be prepared to get a new dpf..... i dont see u doing good MPG at 80 MPH...i doubt the gasser will see 12 doing 80..best to drop off to 65 mph
If you can’t form a complete sentence, you have no business judging other people’s personal decisions.
I've never traded for a new pickup to impress anyone. Just always liked new ones, but I'll admit with all the crap they're putting on them to try to satisfy the EPA, I'm skeptical about them. I'm now driving a 2015 with 151000 miles and hesitant about trading. Mine is problem free and fully paid for. Problem is, I can write them off my taxes and my depreciation has run out on this one.
@@Icutmetal oh but i will mess in other peoples decisons because if u cant figure out what i said ...YOUR BROKE literaly if u dont know what i said your broke and im laughing at u
@@privateer9181 Ok 👌
@@Icutmetal LAUGHING HARD
If you want a new truck, just go buy it. It’s not a big deal. But the argument that I would make based off your post I know your truck is paid for and you’re worried about a breakdown keeping a truck one year with 10,000 miles you’re going to lose you’re going to have negative equity, no matter how you look at it so what you’re looking at saving with the purchase of a new one versus what you’re gonna lose especially with the new body style coming out you just took a hard hit. I’ve had both gas and diesels. I too heavy at times and I personally will never go back to a gasoline HD again if I towed a camper like you occasionally would probably be OK. It’s not a debate. I’m just saying you might wanna think about all the other solid points you’ve made, maybe what your trade-in is going to be better hanging onto your truck from a depreciation standpoint
@@BrentPetroski thanks for the concerns. Traded a couple months ago now since the video was recorded. Tows the camper great. My gas truck before the diesel I bought good and traded for $8k more than I paid. The duramax was actually a 2020 used with 40k miles when I bought it so someone else took the hit. Trade value was only $1k under my purchase a year ago. So I drove 10k miles for $1000. Got lucky with the deals.
Why would say the cost of the oil change is double the cost? You have a extra 10.00 for a fuel filter and 2 qts of oil. You will be sorry if you admit it or not
@@kenhughes9437 sorry for what? I actually claim maintenance is similar between the two, not double.
A diesel cost way more to maintain than a gas truck u can change the oil in a gas truck for 40 bucks. U ain't doing that on a diesel plus the fuel filter buying def fluid higher fuel cost. Servicing the emissions system. Treating the fuel in the winter time.
If you rely on your truck 6 days a week for work then you want no part of these modern diesel engines
From a Ford Ecoboost owner... and I'm talkin 2.7 EB, my gcvw with rv is 12500 and runs like a rocket. Low rpm torque runnin PA mntns and turnpike. I am a hd truck diesel mech formerly, now a truck driver, I would not own a modern def egr diesel...
If Ford or others designed a V8 gasser as a twin turbo from ground up, as the 2.7 was... you wouldn't need or want a diesel.
I don't want one with my 2.7, but if I had a bigger rv, a bigger twin turbo gasser would be my choice.
The Dodge Hurricane 6 tt sounds great but I saw somewhere it is not classed as heavy duty?
Emission diesels are too much bs today. Imo.
I run a brand new Pete with their trash Paccar eng and automated trans... pure junk.
I had a Mack Anthem before the Pete, automated and I will say that truck was trouble free up to 1st ck eng light at 400k.
Mack and Volvo know what they are doing I guess.