The absurd thing, in my opinion, is that his lawyer's questioning makes one thing clear: Katherine Magbanua is not a criminal mastermind; she acted not only out of financial interest out of her own poverty, but later out of misplaced loyalty to the father of her children and possibly Charlie. She has consistently made bad decisions that have harmed her as well. What it illustrates is how much the multimillionaire Adelson took advantage of these people's poverty to avoid incriminating himself. I have a very clear picture of his client's character - and unlike Magbanua, there is nothing that makes me feel lenient toward him.
💯. I have much more sympathy for Katie than I did during her own trials. Sending her first love after 10 years together, and the father of her children facing a death penalty charge really clears up her motives. I’m sure many women would do the same. Poverty is not a crime.
Katherine knew exactly what she was doing. She manipulated Sigfredo into killing Dan and extorted monthly payments from Charlie. She was in it for the money She is a manipulative liar.
This lawyer seems like he ran out of Adderall so he stomps around and yells like a toddler. He's the Temu version of Steve Carell. Hi Wendi, you're next to be prosecuted and you little mom too. JUSTICE FOR DAN!
This Defense attorney absolutely sukkkks at trying to be a shark or bully. He's more in the Karen category than a hot shot lawyer. He's frenzied and unconvincing.
I totally agree with you. No doubt, Katie has lied so much that anything she says is not credible, but the defense is indeed a bully. I hope there's some truth to her story though, to be honest.
I came to say the same thing. no idea how the defense attorney thinks he’s going to make his client look good by bullying a broken woman who knows she’s in prison for life. I mean seriously, making her admit the only way she’s leaving prison is in a box? He needs to worry about his client who came from privilege and used that privilege to manipulate under privileged people (who obviously still made incorrect choices) to kill his brother-in-law and an innocent father of two children. What’s the attorneys angle, that Katherine was the mastermind? And if so for what? To impress or extort Charlie? Good luck with that.
By the way, I never knew why Wendy was given immunity, even if it is some limited immunity. She has absolutely nothing to offer the prosecution to warrant an immunity deal, or am I missing something?
She is telling truth. It makes sense now because nothing she said before didn’t add up and now it does. Watch the previous trial and look at the available evidence it falls into place with her testimony today.
This defense attorney is just proving she lied like sir we know that😒 getting loud and righteous with her like his client is innocent…she wouldn’t be involved if she didn’t know his client. His style is very off putting to me.
Desperate? I don't think is the right word. U don't get someone to crack by being cuddley U could same the same exact thing about the prosecutor questioning charlie and his sister.
What do you expect? She was a known liar and was claiming his client did A B and C regarding a murder for hire. What should he do, play footsie with her?
No wonder he's aggressive - she should have spoken up at the time instead of leaving Charlie free to enjoy his life, then to come along years later and spill the beans? She deserves "aggression" from the defence AND prosecutor.
The way this attorney keeps breaking his own stride by getting facts wrong is kind of astounding to me. He does this in every cross I've watched so far. Like, does he not have notes in front of him? Did he not prepare, so that the minutia of his questions wouldn't trip him up? No, apparently not. He's so focused on the "gotcha" he's working up to, he doesn't see the cracks in his own path that are about to trip him up. I would be very upset if he was representing me.
He's a horrible lawyer, and a very unlikeable person...but I bet in his mind he's a star lawyer...I bet he charged Charlie so much money for this case..
This defense attorney is terrible! He’s attacking a witness who already admitted she lied about everything!! Now he is trying to sound like he is exposing some new evidence!! !! Lol
Note to self: when attempting to paint a witness’ testimony as being unreliable and accuse them of previously lying, it’s imperative to get *all* of your own facts straight because when a person serving a life sentence has to correct your mistakes and exaggerations in the opening minutes of your cross, that’s not going to go your client’s way in the eyes of any judge or jury.
I don’t know why the defense attorney keeps looking over at the jury like to say “she’s a lair” I think they got it…but look at your client who also lied and looks to be convicted and sentenced to life without parole and won’t be leaving prison as you put it “ die in prison “….
I’m pretty sure Charlie is a scapegoat. Just kidding. I just turned on and started watching then laid down to listen. I Truly sat back up because I actually thought the defense attorney was for the state. Not sure but he only seems to be hurting his client.
Exactly! 😃 But unfortunately for Dan Markel these were the type of people that jump at this opportunity. This is a golden opportunity for them. This one has probably done a lot of things that she should have been in jail for already. 😵💫
Isn't it true that you were the master mind behind this murder. No Charlie was the master mind behind this murder of Dan Markel. She didn't even know DAan. Why would she want Dan killed? I kinda believe that she isn't lying this second time around. I just wish she would have testified against him, instead of trying to Save herself.
@@hanaanshakeel212 exactly,! She said she was protecting the father of her children - and look at what happened to her, look at where she ended up It's a little late to start protecting him now, after you asked him to do what he did. They're all where they belong. They're dangerous people. 😐
This defense attorney thinks that, the louder he yells, the more the Jury will think his client is innocent. I mean, look at Charlie…Everything about his appearance says, “I’m doomed!”
Lawyer is incompetent. His tone is annoying. He screws up. He’s confusing. He’s rude. His points like getting out of prison in a box are vile - like his client. He’s incoherent. He’s unorganized. He’s all over the map. He strengthened the prosecution’s case. He undermined his client’s defence. He was schooled by a 3rd rate criminal.
I hate what charlie and the attorney is doing to her. Its obvious they are pointing all fingers on her. If not for charlie, this would never had happened. She is guilty, but he is too.
@@ultimatums1 no one is saying she's not guilty and deserves her punishment, but don't lose sight of the person behind all of this....Wendy and Charlie
True, but if not for Katie it wouldn't have happened either. She's just as culpable as he is. She haranged Sigfredo to do the hit because she wanted money. And she's apparently still shading the truth in places to make herself look better. It's not unfair to hold up a mirror to her at all. If someone held her to account years ago she might not be in this position today. And if Charlie somehow gets off, it will be largely due to Katie's lies.
@@lindahersch3046 - it’s so unfortunate, but this woman was USED by Charlie and his family. Katherine made the worst mistake of her life! Having said that, she is where she belongs to be!
There hasn't been a moment in this entire trial where I said to myself, the defense has introduced or exposed something that made me think. Okay there's 1 for them. Literally not one argument with any of the witnesses.. they better get some additional assistance. This guy is bombing out. I don't understand what he is trying to convince the jury of. He's failing miserably. Does anyone else agree?
Totally agree with u From day one he felt like idiottremendously Went he opened statements saying that this bottle chick set the dentist killing Dan Markel bc they thy to extortion him lol This lawyer felt big time with that statement
What happened to the Luis Garcia Defense Cross Examination? I bet he wouldn't speak to him the way he's questioning Katie. He's sounds pitiful. This Lawyer is a Karen.
What is terrifying about this case, watching the people involved in the murder, is how they are talking about it like they are just going out to buy groceries or something. It's so normal to them, no hesitation, no remorse, no regret, no nothing. For these evil people, it seems like this murder is "normal", like something that happens in an ordinary day in their lives. It's just terrifying.
It's an awful & fascinating dichotomy, the successful millionaire family & the underbelly of society, this moll & the gang member. They're all intertwined they're all just as nasty as the other, like a pit of vipers. 🐍 in the end that whole family belongs in orange jumpsuits - maybe except the father but that has yet to be told
@@ARTWV its a generalized comment love bug. They have money so I would lean on counsel being paid not a PD. I.E.- I would say your college owes you a refund under the preconceived notion most people pay for school. (the amt of time it takes you to get this will give me my answer)
This defense is a jerk. What does she have to gain from this? She already lost immunity. You could argue that she may want him to suffer like she is but is that really a gain? It’s not gonna help her get free. I appreciate her calmness and rationality with this jerk.
I can't attest to the accuracy of such claims, but It's often said that defense counsel and how they behave, tends to quite accurately reflect that of the clients they're tasked with representing.....
What the Eff is up with this lawyer? I mean why is he going so low with this girl? Its like he is taking all of ths personally? Hes crossed a line and its making his client look even worse
The defense is just putting on a show. He keeps saying he will ask the questions. She didn't ask him anything. She just answered the question and he says he will ask the questions that's how it works. SMH! lol
I had to rewind a couple times because I asked myself, did I miss where she asked a question?! His repeated snide comments after her answers wouldn’t impress me if I were on a jury. It would come across as desperate more than anything. He seem like a great passionate attorney but this approach is so off putting.
I’m not convinced, my theory is: maybe her MaMa was the mastermind. But all these bright minds together, MaMa, DaDa, darling daughter and son, planned everything with such precision to ensure they were untouchable. The others involved were expendable baggage. It was easy to make the hired hit men believe their plan rock was solid and that they were so wealthy, they would all walk away better for it.
It's funny how he thinks that, if he cites the exact hour and minute that she said something in her testimony, that he seems like some sort of genius. Well done man, you read the transcript and took out your highlighter pen... 😂
@@slaws2279 absolutely. But repeatedly quoting specific timestamps in this way appeared like he was either trying to imply his team went to great lengths of pinpointing specific details or timelines to catch her out, or it implied the specific minute and second were relevant to the subsequent line of questioning, which they really weren't. So yeah.... seemed like a waste of time and I wouldn't be overly impressed if I was the juror having to listen to all of that.
“No I can’t recall” “I get to ask the questions, this is how it works.” Why are they letting him say that to her when she was literally telling him she can’t recall. That’s not a question. Dude is awful. She can’t recall bro, she stated that 20 times.
He won't even let her finish answering a question entirely and just cutting her off, when he's not getting the answer he wants. Because the questions, comments, and relevance is lacking. He seems frenzied and unprepared, kind of scrambled. The State definitely has it together on this one. Also excellent detective work.
I disagree. He is well prepared, has his lines of cross examination well mapped out. As for not letting her finish her question, that's called "controlling the witness" This is cross-examination, that's how it works.
@@andrewvelonis5940. Usually there would be an objection and judge would say let the witness finish their answer. He is coming off a little heated off and on because he is not able to trip her up like he thought he could imo.
34:00 If she had this crime committed independent of Charlie, why wouldn't he be outraged and call the police if he and his family were innocent??? Instead he rewarded her financially. Nope, sorry, no juror gonna swallow that.
This defense attorney knows he's being recorded and thinks he's on a telenovela. There is nothing that he is presenting that gets Charlie off cleared, if anything he seems to be trying to force her into saying something, while she is extremely composed.
Does anybody understand she lied the 1st couple of times/trials because that's what you do when you are trying to beat a criminal case? Lmao of course she lied...but I believe her and Luis 100%
I’ve worked in criminal defense and this attorney cannot even get his time straight or the jail that she was in. I mean I’m just into this right now and it’s painful… you know that Charlie guy. His skin is crawling right now.😆 as someone stated she’s a liar, and he’s guilty as heck..
She is a strange witness. As in the other trials, she quibbles and hedges about issues that aren't important, contradicts herself, and is generally uncooperative in ways that don't help her. She certainly doesn't seem like a criminal mastermind, and she miscalculated badly by not making a deal before her trial. The extortion defense is not credible. The small amounts of money she received weren't much of a burden on Charlie, and she wasn't exactly living large on $2,000/month.
Do you think the defense questioning is pitiful, scattered, and irrelevant? He is all over the place and not getting anywhere. He's not even providing evidence to contradict any moneys or any extortion plot. This attorney makes no sense.
I agree. I actually think she can't even remember the truth half the time because she convinced herself of the lies. Also, the money was always a lump sum but she broke it down and gradually deposited it over time so as not to look suspicious...
I thought she was pretty credible this go round. She handled the questioning with poise and seemed confident more than the other 2 times. She was believable in my opinion. The Jury's is the one the counts though. We shall see
Listen to the big defense lawyer beating up on this young woman. There is no need to be so nasty with her. Even if she is a criminal she should be entitled to a little dignity. Can’t believe the jury will tolerate this ! You’re a jerk Mr Bully Defense Lawyer!
She is no victim….she knew what she was doing. Let’s never forget the REAL victim here. Now she’s being railroaded by the very people that set her & Dan up. Shocker!!!
Watching this clip after hearing much of Charlie’s testimony today. He portrayed her as desperate to marry him, while he just wanted things to stay the same (ie, no strings attached). So seeing the way he’s looking at her adds a new layer of creepy.
The mere fact that anyone would believe the defenses argument that Mr. Adelson was forced to give hundreds of thousands of dollars to his girlfriend and the killers and never until his arrest reveal he had been extorted by same is beyond ridiculous. Yet some commenters have said they believe him. Strike me dumbfounded.
Not only that. He was extorted by a gang who killed his ex brother in law on their own initiative, a man that he didn't like but hardly ever saw, hoping that innocent charlie would pay ... meaning the only leverage they had on him was if they went to the police and denounced themselves , (thus spending their life in prison, or risking that fate) and that the police believed them and arrested Charlie... Who comes up with this line of defense?
Before, anyone wants to commit a crime or a hit for hire murder, I suggest you sit down and watch any crime series and take notes as to how some of the crimes were caught.
She has given up. Charles's defence is based on how convincingly she lied before in her trials?.... If she lied... Which seems likely.. Very likely. Only Charles and her know the real truth. Sister Wendy has destroyed the family.
Relevance? Objection! Arrggggg She’s serving life without parole for the murder he’s on trial for? The standard of incompetence is uncomfortably high for any kind of justice.
32:32 - 32:39 Rashbaum: "You're screwed what do you want to do?" Charlie: "stick with the extortion defense." Rashbaum: "are you sure?" Charlie: (with hand motions) "I'm toast, go Braves."
What a waste of the taxpayer’s money - this cross examination was pathetic. This attorney has little man syndrome - so he had to be a bully to KM. He didn’t have the balls to cross any other witness like that.
Rashbaum is making a bad name for himself. All that hes doing here is intimidating Katie to make himself look strong and effective, but it's back firing on his bad reputation as a BAD attorney. He should be removed from the BAR!!!
What a horrible defence! He should prove to her with proof of all the contradictions, but he doesn’t that and jumps to the next question. She doesn’t care anymore and she is being truthful imo. She may have lied before but not now
Well, the *JOKE'S ON HIM NOW:* the only way his client is leaving prison too is *IN A BOX* now!!! Now, take that because he was being extra crispy nasty!!!
It doesn’t help Charlie to point out all of Katherine’s “lies” bc most of them involve her talking to Charlie and them lying together so he’s just proving his clients guilt.
I feel bad for Katie.. why in the world is he screaming at her? She was already convicted wtf is he screaming for?? 😡 “oh really!” 🤦♀️ his favorite come back. Ugh
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This attorney is making me question his own credibility more than anything else honestly
Yes. They're weak.
If not, lazy.
She’s a compulsive liar; it drives everyone involved crazy
Charlie was too cheap to hire a good lawyer.
Yeah right? He grazes on my nerves
Same!
The best line from her entire testimony was that Charlie thinks he's untouchable.
Right? Also a projection lol
It felt so genuine too.
He did until his sentencing… lol 😂
Right! Up until the moment the Jury walked in, with their verdict.
The absurd thing, in my opinion, is that his lawyer's questioning makes one thing clear: Katherine Magbanua is not a criminal mastermind; she acted not only out of financial interest out of her own poverty, but later out of misplaced loyalty to the father of her children and possibly Charlie. She has consistently made bad decisions that have harmed her as well. What it illustrates is how much the multimillionaire Adelson took advantage of these people's poverty to avoid incriminating himself. I have a very clear picture of his client's character - and unlike Magbanua, there is nothing that makes me feel lenient toward him.
Agreed. I also think we can't underestimate Katie's guilt in knowing that Sigfredo did it for her.
💯. I have much more sympathy for Katie than I did during her own trials. Sending her first love after 10 years together, and the father of her children facing a death penalty charge really clears up her motives. I’m sure many women would do the same.
Poverty is not a crime.
She has nothing more to lose at this point. There’s no need to lie.
She's still lying right now@@annietang3780
Katherine knew exactly what she was doing. She manipulated Sigfredo into killing Dan and extorted monthly payments from Charlie. She was in it for the money She is a manipulative liar.
This lawyer seems like he ran out of Adderall so he stomps around and yells like a toddler. He's the Temu version of Steve Carell. Hi Wendi, you're next to be prosecuted and you little mom too. JUSTICE FOR DAN!
Wendi changes her infant children's last name soooo quick. BYE GIRL! I feel so sorry for the children being raised my murderers.
Temu version 😂😂😂😂😂 fkn hilarious
I think he also suffers Napoleonic Complex.
Jenny I enjoyed your comment. Ran out of Adderall! Lol. Stomping around like the short little man he is.
@@bmichael8187I think you are right.
The defense attorney is hilarious 😂 he’s all intense and trying to intimidate this chick and making her look like THE murderer 🤣
This Defense attorney absolutely sukkkks at trying to be a shark or bully. He's more in the Karen category than a hot shot lawyer. He's frenzied and unconvincing.
hysterical....100%. He's confusing himself and what comes to mind is "My Cousin Vinny".
She’s not the most credible witness but the defense is just coming off like a bully. It’s actually just making her seem more credible.
I totally agree with you. No doubt, Katie has lied so much that anything she says is not credible, but the defense is indeed a bully. I hope there's some truth to her story though, to be honest.
I came to say the same thing. no idea how the defense attorney thinks he’s going to make his client look good by bullying a broken woman who knows she’s in prison for life. I mean seriously, making her admit the only way she’s leaving prison is in a box? He needs to worry about his client who came from privilege and used that privilege to manipulate under privileged people (who obviously still made incorrect choices) to kill his brother-in-law and an innocent father of two children. What’s the attorneys angle, that Katherine was the mastermind? And if so for what? To impress or extort Charlie? Good luck with that.
By the way, I never knew why Wendy was given immunity, even if it is some limited immunity. She has absolutely nothing to offer the prosecution to warrant an immunity deal, or am I missing something?
@@Sc-Runner I'm sure that immunity deal is off. It always includes being truthful.
She is telling truth. It makes sense now because nothing she said before didn’t add up and now it does. Watch the previous trial and look at the available evidence it falls into place with her testimony today.
Does this defense attorney know nothing of human nature. He’s actually making her more credible the more he makes himself unlikeable.
Rashbaum sucks…he is ignoring his effect on the jury…coming across as desperate and rude
Anti-Semtic.
👍
youre telling everybody that you know what effect the defense attorney is having on 14 people in a room that you're not in?? you don't. sit down.
That's because he is desperate and rude😂😂😂😂
@@CPS24.7put the phone down Donna.
This defense attorney is crashing and burning.
This defense attorney is just proving she lied like sir we know that😒 getting loud and righteous with her like his client is innocent…she wouldn’t be involved if she didn’t know his client. His style is very off putting to me.
Charlie's attorney is just as bad as Amber Heard's.
No one could be that bad!!
@@factsmatter8667 well said 👏👏👏 Elaine was a mess 🤣
No. Her lawyer was incompetent. Hes not bad at all. He has to work what he has, which isnt much.
@@factsmatter8667 you right Amber's attorney was horrible and unprofessional.
@@verkpunk - He is rude and unprofessional. Raising his voice like yelling is uncalled for.
That attorney is absolutely horrible 🤦♀️
This is the dumbest defense ever. 😂
Cause they got nothing
@@HappyDayRootsright 😂 he had to come up with alllll those explanations 😊
the more she admits she lied the more people are believing what she says. This lawyer is a doofus.
When the defense gets that egressive it's because they are desperate. It's so nasty.
Desperate? I don't think is the right word.
U don't get someone to crack by being cuddley
U could same the same exact thing about the prosecutor questioning charlie and his sister.
"when your client is innocent, pound the facts, when your client is guilty, pound the table" Lawyer 101 tactics
What do you expect? She was a known liar and was claiming his client did A B and C regarding a murder for hire. What should he do, play footsie with her?
No wonder he's aggressive - she should have spoken up at the time instead of leaving Charlie free to enjoy his life, then to come along years later and spill the beans? She deserves "aggression" from the defence AND prosecutor.
@@patriciamargaret19565Good one ! The absolute truth ! I think that she has been softened up in prison .
This cross examination should be in law schools for how NOT to cross a witness 😂
I’m no lawyer, but this guy isn’t doing his client any favors. Yes, KM lied. We get it.
Just say you're a man_hating feminist
Is he only a jerk? He actually seems ill-prepared and trying to make up for it !
The way this attorney keeps breaking his own stride by getting facts wrong is kind of astounding to me. He does this in every cross I've watched so far. Like, does he not have notes in front of him? Did he not prepare, so that the minutia of his questions wouldn't trip him up? No, apparently not. He's so focused on the "gotcha" he's working up to, he doesn't see the cracks in his own path that are about to trip him up. I would be very upset if he was representing me.
He's a horrible lawyer, and a very unlikeable person...but I bet in his mind he's a star lawyer...I bet he charged Charlie so much money for this case..
Probably not a good trial lawyer or orator!
he's 5'5" and no chin.
I think he charged a cool million. He is terrible!!!
I agree! I get so much second hand embarrassment every time he says something completely incorrect
I see why charlie hired this attorney. They both have the same arrogant narcissist demeanor
This defense attorney is terrible! He’s attacking a witness who already admitted she lied about everything!! Now he is trying to sound like he is exposing some new evidence!! !! Lol
Yes, what a waste of time!
This lawyer is so messed up! Has he not prepared at all? I love her composure.
Apparently he told Charlie he’s never worked so hard for a trial in his life .😂😳
@@lr8763 😳😂
She has nothing to lose; she already has life in prison.
Note to self: when attempting to paint a witness’ testimony as being unreliable and accuse them of previously lying, it’s imperative to get *all* of your own facts straight because when a person serving a life sentence has to correct your mistakes and exaggerations in the opening minutes of your cross, that’s not going to go your client’s way in the eyes of any judge or jury.
I don’t know why the defense attorney keeps looking over at the jury like to say “she’s a lair” I think they got it…but look at your client who also lied and looks to be convicted and sentenced to life without parole and won’t be leaving prison as you put it “ die in prison “….
This defense attorney failed miserably. There is nothing that made me feel like. Ohhhh gotcha. Not one thing.
He's got nothing g to work with. His client is pure slime.
Exactly
I’m pretty sure Charlie is a scapegoat.
Just kidding. I just turned on and started watching then laid down to listen. I Truly sat back up because I actually thought the defense attorney was for the state. Not sure but he only seems to be hurting his client.
@@spikenomoon He asks zero questions, lol. He just makes statements and then Charlie confirms or denies accordingly. Weird.
@@franceshaypenny8481 That's how cross examination works.
The moral of the story: If anyone!!!! Presents a murder for hire to you. Immediately go the police.
Exactly! 😃 But unfortunately for Dan Markel these were the type of people that jump at this opportunity. This is a golden opportunity for them. This one has probably done a lot of things that she should have been in jail for already. 😵💫
Isn't it true that you were the master mind behind this murder. No Charlie was the master mind behind this murder of Dan Markel. She didn't even know DAan. Why would she want Dan killed? I kinda believe that she isn't lying this second time around. I just wish she would have testified against him, instead of trying to Save herself.
💯 this!!!!👆🏼
also If you messed it up and are offered a plea deal for 10 years, accept it without thinking twice ..
@@hanaanshakeel212 exactly,! She said she was protecting the father of her children - and look at what happened to her, look at where she ended up
It's a little late to start protecting him now, after you asked him to do what he did.
They're all where they belong. They're dangerous people. 😐
This lawyer is pathetic , the judge should intervene , he is shouting trying to bully her.
The prosecution has the intelligence not to object. Never interrupt an enemy when he is in the middle of making a mistake, as Napoleon once said.
This defense attorney thinks that, the louder he yells, the more the Jury will think his client is innocent. I mean, look at Charlie…Everything about his appearance says, “I’m doomed!”
He knew his ship was sunk.
This attorney is trying to reconvict this woman to save Charlie, I get it… but his method is failing horribly! She’s a liar and Charlie is guilty 🤷♀️
Exactly and so is Charlie…a liar ..he’s guilty and his sis is guilty of knowing everything she lied as well.
Yup I agree. He's doing his best job though of trying to defend his client albeit a tad sleazy.
Yeppers... Mom knew also
That sums it up perfectly
You said it all
He is a horrible lawyer he hurts his own case
The defense attorney is horrible!! This dude is cooked even if he's innocent with the defense this lawyer is putting up.
Lawyer is incompetent. His tone is annoying. He screws up. He’s confusing. He’s rude. His points like getting out of prison in a box are vile - like his client. He’s incoherent. He’s unorganized. He’s all over the map. He strengthened the prosecution’s case. He undermined his client’s defence. He was schooled by a 3rd rate criminal.
Seems like the defense attorney needs to be reminded what the definition of “question” is…
I hate what charlie and the attorney is doing to her. Its obvious they are pointing all fingers on her. If not for charlie, this would never had happened. She is guilty, but he is too.
@@ultimatums1 no one is saying she's not guilty and deserves her punishment, but don't lose sight of the person behind all of this....Wendy and Charlie
@@lindahersch3046agreed. The only thing that has saved them so far is their money.
True, but if not for Katie it wouldn't have happened either. She's just as culpable as he is. She haranged Sigfredo to do the hit because she wanted money. And she's apparently still shading the truth in places to make herself look better.
It's not unfair to hold up a mirror to her at all. If someone held her to account years ago she might not be in this position today.
And if Charlie somehow gets off, it will be largely due to Katie's lies.
@@lindahersch3046 - it’s so unfortunate, but this woman was USED by Charlie and his family. Katherine made the worst mistake of her life! Having said that, she is where she belongs to be!
@@lindahersch3046Don't forget Donna!
There hasn't been a moment in this entire trial where I said to myself, the defense has introduced or exposed something that made me think. Okay there's 1 for them. Literally not one argument with any of the witnesses.. they better get some additional assistance. This guy is bombing out. I don't understand what he is trying to convince the jury of. He's failing miserably. Does anyone else agree?
This attorney scammed Charlie for the money, just like kathrines attorneys did
@@habibi750 Yeah they got Charlie good. This attorney is trying too hard for the cameras and going no where.
Definitely a HUGE FAIL.
@@habibi750 Did he really skip the Cross Examination of Luis Garcia? Or did I just miss it? If he did, then it's toast for Charlie.
I truly agree!
Totally agree with u
From day one he felt like idiottremendously
Went he opened statements saying that this bottle chick set the dentist killing Dan Markel bc they thy to extortion him lol
This lawyer felt big time with that statement
What happened to the Luis Garcia Defense Cross Examination? I bet he wouldn't speak to him the way he's questioning Katie. He's sounds pitiful. This Lawyer is a Karen.
He is trying to intimidate her! Loud and accusing. I don’t really appreciate his jerk tactics.
Bruh she help kill someone , you want him to talk all sweet to her ?
its a bad idea when man atty crosses the woman witness. gets this exact reaction...
@@NailsbyjoYou get more honey with sugar,
Paid for by his client
The lawyer is a piece of work. He is making up a psychodrama and should have a tv show.
A classic case of short man syndrome.
Probably trying to get 1 out of this!🤷
I don't know if you meant that as a compliment, but I'd bet he'd take it that way.
What is terrifying about this case, watching the people involved in the murder, is how they are talking about it like they are just going out to buy groceries or something. It's so normal to them, no hesitation, no remorse, no regret, no nothing. For these evil people, it seems like this murder is "normal", like something that happens in an ordinary day in their lives. It's just terrifying.
I find Charlie adelson lawyer very abrasive and condescending I do hope the adelson are held accountable I think he suffers from misogyny and classism
AND laugh repeatedly about names Donna called Dan. Sickos
I agree with you. Some sick people that should not be around normal people. How do they even sleep after killing or conspiring to kill someone.
It's an awful & fascinating dichotomy, the successful millionaire family & the underbelly of society, this moll & the gang member. They're all intertwined they're all just as nasty as the other, like a pit of vipers. 🐍 in the end that whole family belongs in orange jumpsuits - maybe except the father but that has yet to be told
This is the narcissist missing empathy in their personality.
I can’t believe anyone would hire at pay for little man. He’s a horrific defense attorney.
Yes who would hire Rdash Bum get your money back Charlie
This lawyer would owe me some of my money back... the amt of facts he has stated wrongly and misspoke to every witness is detrimental
How would the Public Defender owe you money?
@@ARTWV its a generalized comment love bug. They have money so I would lean on counsel being paid not a PD. I.E.- I would say your college owes you a refund under the preconceived notion most people pay for school. (the amt of time it takes you to get this will give me my answer)
This defense is a jerk. What does she have to gain from this? She already lost immunity.
You could argue that she may want him to suffer like she is but is that really a gain? It’s not gonna help her get free.
I appreciate her calmness and rationality with this jerk.
He's rather comical in his jerkiness.😁
This lawyer isn't helping Charlie's case
I can't attest to the accuracy of such claims, but It's often said that defense counsel and how they behave, tends to quite accurately reflect that of the clients they're tasked with representing.....
@@truthhurts2879 I have never heard that said
@@callmeabeachmaking me feel uncomfortable watching this lawyer.
lawyer making a lot of goofy little mistakes. he needs to have these facts down. embarrassing to be corrected by the witness.
Mentor Lawyer just chilling in the background. 🤣🤣🤣
Smoked a blunt b4 going inside.
I don’t like that man at all! He gives me the creeps imo
What the Eff is up with this lawyer? I mean why is he going so low with this girl? Its like he is taking all of ths personally? Hes crossed a line and its making his client look even worse
Charlies RIP tombstone should read "never staple cash"
What a weird thing to do, right?? So do you use a staple remover every time you want to pull out a C-note? How ridiculous!
Tombstone theory 😂
The defense is just putting on a show. He keeps saying he will ask the questions. She didn't ask him anything. She just answered the question and he says he will ask the questions that's how it works. SMH! lol
I had to rewind a couple times because I asked myself, did I miss where she asked a question?! His repeated snide comments after her answers wouldn’t impress me if I were on a jury. It would come across as desperate more than anything. He seem like a great passionate attorney but this approach is so off putting.
She did ask if he had anything to show her as in proof to his questions so it could help her remember
I believe Wendi was the mastermind .
I’m not convinced, my theory is: maybe her MaMa was the mastermind. But all these bright minds together, MaMa, DaDa, darling daughter and son, planned everything with such precision to ensure they were untouchable. The others involved were expendable baggage. It was easy to make the hired hit men believe their plan rock was solid and that they were so wealthy, they would all walk away better for it.
@@Chicken-dq9zg💯
It's funny how he thinks that, if he cites the exact hour and minute that she said something in her testimony, that he seems like some sort of genius.
Well done man, you read the transcript and took out your highlighter pen... 😂
Details matter.
@@slaws2279 absolutely. But repeatedly quoting specific timestamps in this way appeared like he was either trying to imply his team went to great lengths of pinpointing specific details or timelines to catch her out, or it implied the specific minute and second were relevant to the subsequent line of questioning, which they really weren't.
So yeah.... seemed like a waste of time and I wouldn't be overly impressed if I was the juror having to listen to all of that.
“No I can’t recall”
“I get to ask the questions, this is how it works.”
Why are they letting him say that to her when she was literally telling him she can’t recall. That’s not a question. Dude is awful. She can’t recall bro, she stated that 20 times.
Prosecution knew this line of questioning was serving them well.
He won't even let her finish answering a question entirely and just cutting her off, when he's not getting the answer he wants. Because the questions, comments, and relevance is lacking. He seems frenzied and unprepared, kind of scrambled. The State definitely has it together on this one. Also excellent detective work.
I disagree. He is well prepared, has his lines of cross examination well mapped out. As for not letting her finish her question, that's called "controlling the witness" This is cross-examination, that's how it works.
@@andrewvelonis5940. Usually there would be an objection and judge would say let the witness finish their answer. He is coming off a little heated off and on because he is not able to trip her up like he thought he could imo.
@@j.c.7555~ Typically, there would be a direction, not an erratic, haphazard bantering.
The attorney is weak and angry but he really doesn’t have much to work with. Dumbest defense I’ve ever heard.
34:00 If she had this crime committed independent of Charlie, why wouldn't he be outraged and call the police if he and his family were innocent??? Instead he rewarded her financially. Nope, sorry, no juror gonna swallow that.
He was scared they were gonna kill him too?🤷
I believe the Addelson family is guilty imo. I think they all had a part to play and I think Wendi’s arrest/prosecution should be next.
This defence lawyer is proving the prosecutions case he is clearly showing she has nothing to lose, while his client sits there looks so guilty
Precisely! It is Florida though, so I’m a little concerned.
it's almost like this murder wasn't worth all the trouble
This defense attorney knows he's being recorded and thinks he's on a telenovela.
There is nothing that he is presenting that gets Charlie off cleared, if anything he seems to be trying to force her into saying something, while she is extremely composed.
Charlie just keeps that psycho grin on his face
I think he looks pretty normal
He looks smug.
@@lindastent-campbell5130 u got the hots for him.
Yes, she lied. Now what????😊
Does anybody understand she lied the 1st couple of times/trials because that's what you do when you are trying to beat a criminal case? Lmao of course she lied...but I believe her and Luis 100%
I’ve worked in criminal defense and this attorney cannot even get his time straight or the jail that she was in. I mean I’m just into this right now and it’s painful… you know that Charlie guy. His skin is crawling right now.😆 as someone stated she’s a liar, and he’s guilty as heck..
So have I.. 😆 Horrible Defense.. She corrected him..
She is a strange witness. As in the other trials, she quibbles and hedges about issues that aren't important, contradicts herself, and is generally uncooperative in ways that don't help her. She certainly doesn't seem like a criminal mastermind, and she miscalculated badly by not making a deal before her trial.
The extortion defense is not credible. The small amounts of money she received weren't much of a burden on Charlie, and she wasn't exactly living large on $2,000/month.
Do you think the defense questioning is pitiful, scattered, and irrelevant? He is all over the place and not getting anywhere. He's not even providing evidence to contradict any moneys or any extortion plot. This attorney makes no sense.
True, and I've noticed Wendi has the same habit.
@@DorothChrostowskiabsolutely agree 🎯💯
I agree. I actually think she can't even remember the truth half the time because she convinced herself of the lies. Also, the money was always a lump sum but she broke it down and gradually deposited it over time so as not to look suspicious...
I thought she was pretty credible this go round. She handled the questioning with poise and seemed confident more than the other 2 times. She was believable in my opinion. The Jury's is the one the counts though. We shall see
I really hope the whole family sticks with this lawyer. He is terrible and they are all going to prison if so..
Listen to the big defense lawyer beating up on this young woman. There is no need to be so nasty with her. Even if she is a criminal she should be entitled to a little dignity. Can’t believe the jury will tolerate this ! You’re a jerk Mr Bully Defense Lawyer!
Did the judge reprimand him ?
She has no dignity or credibility
Would you be saying that if he was interrogating a male?
PI 🗑️🗑️🗑️.
She’s a murderer! Did you forget? 🤨
defense counsel is over the top aggressive, doesn't help their despicable client
I completely agree, his client used this woman in his scheme. She is a good witness, courteous and professional
35:26 exactly she has no motive to kill him, she did it for Charlie, and yes how would she know anything about Dan if it weren’t for Charlie!?
Defense claim is that she listened to all of the stories about him and tracked him down
If perjury in a capitol murder case is punishable up to 30 years in prison, why isn’t that fact brought out?
Charlie's life is now so over.
This lawyer has nothing to say and he's saying it too loudly.
Still found guilty. Paid all that money for nothing
She is no victim….she knew what she was doing. Let’s never forget the REAL victim here. Now she’s being railroaded by the very people that set her & Dan up. Shocker!!!
I think their all guilty. They just got caught.
Watching this clip after hearing much of Charlie’s testimony today. He portrayed her as desperate to marry him, while he just wanted things to stay the same (ie, no strings attached). So seeing the way he’s looking at her adds a new layer of creepy.
I don’t think that this attorney is helping himself
They might have been better off to have the woman lawyer cross examine Kathrine.
That lawyer is coming across like an immature jerk, a bully, and someone who didn’t do his due diligence fact-checking.
He's cooked. So all these criminals that haven't been able to talk to each other for years, came up with the same story about poor old Charlie.
The mere fact that anyone would believe the defenses argument that Mr. Adelson was forced to give hundreds of thousands of dollars to his girlfriend and the killers and never until his arrest reveal he had been extorted by same is beyond ridiculous. Yet some commenters have said they believe him. Strike me dumbfounded.
Not only that. He was extorted by a gang who killed his ex brother in law on their own initiative, a man that he didn't like but hardly ever saw, hoping that innocent charlie would pay ...
meaning the only leverage they had on him was if they went to the police and denounced themselves , (thus spending their life in prison, or risking that fate) and that the police believed them and arrested Charlie...
Who comes up with this line of defense?
When defense attorneys act like this is a total turn off for most jury's
Most juries too
Who in the world wouldn’t lie in court after committing a horrible crime and being told you’ll get LIFE IN PRISON. 😂
We get that. She lied.
What is the point? She already admitted she lied. The defense is just embarrassing themselves at this point
Before, anyone wants to commit a crime or a hit for hire murder, I suggest you sit down and watch any crime series and take notes as to how some of the crimes were caught.
She has given up. Charles's defence is based on how convincingly she lied before in her trials?.... If she lied... Which seems likely.. Very likely. Only Charles and her know the real truth. Sister Wendy has destroyed the family.
This attorney is sooo unlikeable.
Relevance? Objection! Arrggggg She’s serving life without parole for the murder he’s on trial for? The standard of incompetence is uncomfortably high for any kind of justice.
I have had more "heated arguments" with my pet goldfish....
Charles in charge hired blu light special attorney 😂
He"s Jewish. God's chosen attorneys.
@@andrearel3703Lol..😂
@@andrearel3703keep it in the tribe
He also hired a hit team of the highest quality, who use their own cars and are identified by a neighbor
Charlie is so smug.
Bevause hes a loser
32:32 - 32:39 Rashbaum: "You're screwed what do you want to do?" Charlie: "stick with the extortion defense." Rashbaum: "are you sure?" Charlie: (with hand motions) "I'm toast, go Braves."
Charlie has a good appellate argument: inadequate counsel
The random hand reaching for the coffee was more entertaining…😂
Right??? Adam's Family moment!!!😅
@@traceofbass yasss 😂
Can't wait to hear the verdict.....Guilty!
What a waste of the taxpayer’s money - this cross examination was pathetic. This attorney has little man syndrome - so he had to be a bully to KM. He didn’t have the balls to cross any other witness like that.
Rashbaum is making a bad name for himself. All that hes doing here is intimidating Katie to make himself look strong and effective, but it's back firing on his bad reputation as a BAD attorney. He should be removed from the BAR!!!
What a horrible defence! He should prove to her with proof of all the contradictions, but he doesn’t that and jumps to the next question.
She doesn’t care anymore and she is being truthful imo. She may have lied before but not now
Well, the *JOKE'S ON HIM NOW:* the only way his client is leaving prison too is *IN A BOX* now!!! Now, take that because he was being extra crispy nasty!!!
Charlie sure smirks alot. He just thinks he is going to off.
Off what? 😮
The defense attorney he hired could get someone sentenced to death for a drug offense
It doesn’t help Charlie to point out all of Katherine’s “lies” bc most of them involve her talking to Charlie and them lying together so he’s just proving his clients guilt.
I feel bad for Katie.. why in the world is he screaming at her? She was already convicted wtf is he screaming for?? 😡 “oh really!” 🤦♀️ his favorite come back. Ugh