In my experience, barrel length and balance makes almost no difference in reality. If it wasn’t for folks telling you what’s best and mentally you believing them and creating doubt that what you have is inferior, you’d never know the difference. Physically it’s easy to adapt. Always better off picking the best quality gun you can afford that feels good to you and spending money on shells rather than constantly buying a new magic wand. Naturally, it’s not nearly as fun however 😁👍🏼
@@dgoodman1484 my Semi auto has a 30” barrel if it was a over and under it would be like having a 36” barrel so the logical step for me is a 34” with extended chokes
@dave_724 strangely enough, my 30” model 12 is less than an inch longer than my 30” Superposed special trap and balance in the same spot. When loaded they feel remarkably similar despite having a big difference in length of pull. Maybe it’s not so strange. Even back then they knew what a good handling shotgun should feel like 👍🏼
I always find my highest kill ratio on game is with 28" and that is against 30" or 32". Actually, that said, in terms of the greatest volume of kills, being a pigeon shooter I have killed more birds with a 24" auto than any other length. Personally I think long barrels are just a fashion and most people follow the herd.
When Mossberg introduced their 36 inch bolt action goose gun it was a topic of debate. A friend of my father who was captain of their trap team and known as a good shot was finally asked. He said a 36 inch barrel has a definite advantage over a 28. It gets you 8 inches closer to the bird. But that is about it.
It’s all fashion getting us to buy more guns. When I started shooting shotguns at clays I had a 30 inch and back then mid eighties 30 inch was a long barrelled gun even in trap shooting nearly everyone had a 26 inch for sleet 28 inch for sporting. Today I would say a 30 inch if you only have one gun. Tho my favourite gun has 29 1/2 inch
Good video Edward, but no 28" ? It is a fashion thing because if you were the 50 and over 30" was considered long. I've shot everything from 26 to 32 in a 20b, if I had a choice, 29" in a 12b and 31" in a 20b. I think barrel length is more important on your physical stature.
Just a passing thought(s) from one of the colonies across the pond. I have had a lot of experience with ATA trap shooting, from my youth as a trap boy for seven years, and going back to shooting with guys who bitched about the same things at every shoot, until they died. I also had the opportunity to shoot Skeet, Sporting, and live pigeons, over some time. Some of the problems with changing sports with the same gun, can be traced back to stock dimensions. Another issue can be the physical strength and mobility of the shooter. In these days of interchangeable chokes being nearly universal, this can be scratched. Correcting the balance point of your preferred gun, to prevent lagging behind a fast angled target, or over running it, can be an issue in some cases. I was offered a Beretta 682 combo set (32”-30”) at a good price, but was skeptical of the 32” top single being too light. I was able to slow it down to my needs, by applying 12” strips of 1”wide lead tape to the bottom of the barrel, mid-way from the forearm and the muzzle. Add one piece, shoot, and repeat until you are just hitting the back edge of the targets. Then peel the last one off, and go back to shooting. I am also a firm believer in taking the time to pattern the gun with five rounds on a pattern board, in order to get a true average point of impact. Have fun, and stay safe.
What the 34” is doing is changing up your sight picture. You require a less of a lead picture than the 30”. I tried my buddies 34” and had to reduce my sight picture of a 50yrd bird by 1/2 a barrel
Hanging an extra 1/2 LB shot cam off those long barrels didn’t do anything but detract from your experience. I can tell you from experience because I’m shooting 34” Parcour barrels on my K80 and the gun is an absolute dream to both swing and shoot. I have a Gen 4 shot cam and I’ve yet to hang their off my barrels because I know it’ll completely ruin the balance and I won’t enjoy it. Anyone thinking of trying 34’s try them first because the longer sight plane is a dream come true and I’ve owned too many other combos that I am speaking from a bit of experience
Factually speaking barrel length does actually marginally increase muzzle velocity in a shotgun. I always believed it did not, and incorrectly believed the terminal velocity was 17 inches but an extensive chronograph test by ballistic expert Paul Harrell on TH-cam in fact indicates that every inch does actually add velocity.
Well shot Martin. I have a 32" Browning 525 G 3 limited edition got all the weights on barrels and stock bang on the hinge pin its awesome great looking gun love it .Also it depends on what build you are I think ,I am stocky muscly ,and if you point it in the right place ! you are going to hit it. What choke where you using?👍👍
oh i beg your pardon but barrel length does effect velocity go from 18 inch barrel to 30 inch barrel and its about 100 fps difference bit i suppose your right i mean what does 100 fps mean in lead what 1 inch 2 inches lead difference i guess we would have to do some math to figure that one out longer barrels dont pattern better though that is all in the choke a 18 inch barrel patterns exactly the same as a 30 inch with the same choke most ammo manufacturers use a 24 inch barrel to get there velocities so that 34 would have a significantly higher velocity than whats on the ammo box so that would be good
Me too. It's true that a 32" barrel only shoots 6" farther than a 26" barrel but, to me, there is a HUGE difference in the feel of the gun. Whether it's "real" or not is irrelevant. Perception is reality in this game!
it’s not the length but weight i’m want to go to a light set of 34” next i currently shoot 32” barrels on a invictus Mspec coming from a semi auto i like having longer barrels now i feel it gives me more control but i still like speed.
Are you shooting from one state to another? 20" barrel length is grate for me bad for grouse and defense shoot a good patren for me ! Long barrel cummbersom hard to handle in brushie areas
You might try the 34" M spec . 1 oz lighter than your 30". I shoot a 34" K80 parcour..also 1oz lighter than your 30" gun. Love the way it handles. Is it better than a 32" ???? I wouldn't say better or worse. I realy like it though. I appreciate you shooting in the rain...well done. Thanks for the video and great shooting ;-)
Poor Chaps are Overcompensating for something 🤣😂 I learned to shoot with a 25.5" single-shot 20 gauge. Still have It & can Smack-Down anything within 40 yards. I also bought a Rolex & found that My little battery powered Tag Heuer keeps much better "time"... Have Fun Chasing Your Dreams...😏
Don't care what anyone says here about 32's or 34's are too long, and ma 28 and ma daddys 28 was good enough. Those who say a longer site plane doesn't improve your shooting is plain wrong. What I see is people shoot what they own, and since a decent O/U isn't cheap, they wilt when purchasing a new one, as they are afraid of the unknown and afraid to try something different, especially if they were successful with shorter barrels.
One of my clients has a pair of 34" Perazzis. They balance on the hinge pin but I can easily over lead with them despite me shooting a 32" Miroku. My client shoots well with them but he's just using them for high pheasants.
Talk about a bunch of misleading information. I won’t disagree with personal preference. But the fact some of you can say it’s fashion is just down right idiotic. First the perceived lead on a longer gun is less also a longer gun will point and swing better especially if you are in the taller side. Also to touch on shot deformation the longer the forcing cones the less shot will be lost. So bottom line it does make a difference. I won’t even go into balance cause of you think balance doesn’t make a difference then you have zero clue about shotgunning.
In my experience, barrel length and balance makes almost no difference in reality. If it wasn’t for folks telling you what’s best and mentally you believing them and creating doubt that what you have is inferior, you’d never know the difference. Physically it’s easy to adapt. Always better off picking the best quality gun you can afford that feels good to you and spending money on shells rather than constantly buying a new magic wand. Naturally, it’s not nearly as fun however 😁👍🏼
So true 👍🍻
barrel length balance and weight is all a person preference I can shoot 26 and 28inch side by sides and i’m 6ft 7 it’s about what suits you
@dave_724 yep and I suspect that if all that way available was 36” you’d adapt and do quite well with it also. 👍🏼
@@dgoodman1484 my Semi auto has a 30” barrel if it was a over and under it would be like having a 36” barrel so the logical step for me is a 34” with extended chokes
@dave_724 strangely enough, my 30” model 12 is less than an inch longer than my 30” Superposed special trap and balance in the same spot. When loaded they feel remarkably similar despite having a big difference in length of pull. Maybe it’s not so strange. Even back then they knew what a good handling shotgun should feel like 👍🏼
You’re right just fashion!
Personally 26” or a 25” with Churchill rib, Just a pitty they didn’t make 3” mag!
I have to agree with this for no reason in particular...
Interesting but I will stick with my 28" barrel's 👍
I always find my highest kill ratio on game is with 28" and that is against 30" or 32". Actually, that said, in terms of the greatest volume of kills, being a pigeon shooter I have killed more birds with a 24" auto than any other length. Personally I think long barrels are just a fashion and most people follow the herd.
Honestly love my 28" I feel like anything over 30 is unwieldy
When Mossberg introduced their 36 inch bolt action goose gun it was a topic of debate. A friend of my father who was captain of their trap team and known as a good shot was finally asked. He said a 36 inch barrel has a definite advantage over a 28. It gets you 8 inches closer to the bird. But that is about it.
It’s all fashion getting us to buy more guns. When I started shooting shotguns at clays I had a 30 inch and back then mid eighties 30 inch was a long barrelled gun even in trap shooting nearly everyone had a 26 inch for sleet 28 inch for sporting. Today I would say a 30 inch if you only have one gun. Tho my favourite gun has 29 1/2 inch
Good video Edward, but no 28" ? It is a fashion thing because if you were the 50 and over 30" was considered long. I've shot everything from 26 to 32 in a 20b, if I had a choice, 29" in a 12b and 31" in a 20b. I think barrel length is more important on your physical stature.
Just a passing thought(s) from one of the colonies across the pond. I have had a lot of experience with ATA trap shooting, from my youth as a trap boy for seven years, and going back to shooting with guys who bitched about the same things at every shoot, until they died.
I also had the opportunity to shoot Skeet, Sporting, and live pigeons, over some time. Some of the problems with changing sports with the same gun, can be traced back to stock dimensions. Another issue can be the physical strength and mobility of the shooter. In these days of interchangeable chokes being nearly universal, this can be scratched. Correcting the balance point of your preferred gun, to prevent lagging behind a fast angled target, or over running it, can be an issue in some cases.
I was offered a Beretta 682 combo set (32”-30”) at a good price, but was skeptical of the 32” top single being too light. I was able to slow it down to my needs, by applying 12” strips of 1”wide lead tape to the bottom of the barrel, mid-way from the forearm and the muzzle. Add one piece, shoot, and repeat until you are just hitting the back edge of the targets.
Then peel the last one off, and go back to shooting. I am also a firm believer in taking the time to pattern the gun with five rounds on a pattern board, in order to get a true average point of impact. Have fun, and stay safe.
30 is my choice
What the 34” is doing is changing up your sight picture. You require a less of a lead picture than the 30”. I tried my buddies 34” and had to reduce my sight picture of a 50yrd bird by 1/2 a barrel
Hanging an extra 1/2 LB shot cam off those long barrels didn’t do anything but detract from your experience. I can tell you from experience because I’m shooting 34” Parcour barrels on my K80 and the gun is an absolute dream to both swing and shoot. I have a Gen 4 shot cam and I’ve yet to hang their off my barrels because I know it’ll completely ruin the balance and I won’t enjoy it. Anyone thinking of trying 34’s try them first because the longer sight plane is a dream come true and I’ve owned too many other combos that I am speaking from a bit of experience
Factually speaking barrel length does actually marginally increase muzzle velocity in a shotgun. I always believed it did not, and incorrectly believed the terminal velocity was 17 inches but an extensive chronograph test by ballistic expert Paul Harrell on TH-cam in fact indicates that every inch does actually add velocity.
I prefer a 30" Might not be unique but it works for everything.
Well shot Martin. I have a 32" Browning 525 G 3 limited edition got all the weights on barrels and stock bang on the hinge pin its awesome great looking gun love it .Also it depends on what build you are I think ,I am stocky muscly ,and if you point it in the right place ! you are going to hit it. What choke where you using?👍👍
oh i beg your pardon but barrel length does effect velocity go from 18 inch barrel to 30 inch barrel and its about 100 fps difference bit i suppose your right i mean what does 100 fps mean in lead what 1 inch 2 inches lead difference i guess we would have to do some math to figure that one out longer barrels dont pattern better though that is all in the choke a 18 inch barrel patterns exactly the same as a 30 inch with the same choke most ammo manufacturers use a 24 inch barrel to get there velocities so that 34 would have a significantly higher velocity than whats on the ammo box so that would be good
I have 32" on all my over unders 30" in semi auto's. 32 is my go to with half choke
Me too. It's true that a 32" barrel only shoots 6" farther than a 26" barrel but, to me, there is a HUGE difference in the feel of the gun. Whether it's "real" or not is irrelevant. Perception is reality in this game!
it’s not the length but weight i’m want to go to a light set of 34” next i currently shoot 32” barrels on a invictus Mspec coming from a semi auto i like having longer barrels now i feel it gives me more control but i still like speed.
Are you shooting from one state to another? 20" barrel length is grate for me bad for grouse and defense shoot a good patren for me ! Long barrel cummbersom hard to handle in brushie areas
Where can i find magazines for Luger parabellum
The gun rack is for guns that enjoy being scratched. What a pity. Nice shooting. I'll stick with my 30" CX.
You might try the 34" M spec . 1 oz lighter than your 30". I shoot a 34" K80 parcour..also 1oz lighter than your 30" gun. Love the way it handles. Is it better than a 32" ???? I wouldn't say better or worse. I realy like it though. I appreciate you shooting in the rain...well done. Thanks for the video and great shooting ;-)
28 for me
Poor Chaps are Overcompensating for something 🤣😂 I learned to shoot with a 25.5" single-shot 20 gauge. Still have It & can Smack-Down anything within 40 yards. I also bought a Rolex & found that My little battery powered Tag Heuer keeps much better "time"... Have Fun Chasing Your Dreams...😏
O/u tend to stick to 30" however my sxs which I use for game 28" the balance just feels right
long barrels are a fashion statement
Are you twisting your gun on the high crossers?
Noted you are shooting top barrel first, unusual. Any reason behind this please?
I shoot a lot of driven game and do a lot of loading; it’s much easier and faster to load the top barrel and it has now become habit.
I also shoot top barrel first. Why? for the same reason he said above. For single shots top barrel is easier to unload/reload.
What are you doing using Teague chokes in a Guerini? Their own chokes are the best there is 😮
I am sponsored by Teague
top draw love grimmo but not in a monsoon
Was a tad damp
34' because you are closer to the target! 😂❤
Don't care what anyone says here about 32's or 34's are too long, and ma 28 and ma daddys 28 was good enough. Those who say a longer site plane doesn't improve your shooting is plain wrong. What I see is people shoot what they own, and since a decent O/U isn't cheap, they wilt when purchasing a new one, as they are afraid of the unknown and afraid to try something different, especially if they were successful with shorter barrels.
One of my clients has a pair of 34" Perazzis. They balance on the hinge pin but I can easily over lead with them despite me shooting a 32" Miroku. My client shoots well with them but he's just using them for high pheasants.
I find my 32 or 30 much more controllable
Talk about a bunch of misleading information. I won’t disagree with personal preference. But the fact some of you can say it’s fashion is just down right idiotic. First the perceived lead on a longer gun is less also a longer gun will point and swing better especially if you are in the taller side. Also to touch on shot deformation the longer the forcing cones the less shot will be lost. So bottom line it does make a difference. I won’t even go into balance cause of you think balance doesn’t make a difference then you have zero clue about shotgunning.
Short? Gangsta??? Roa Aotearoa nui.