This is an absolute master piece! Its a personal FAVORITE! I loved living in SD and I'm Chickasaw and my soul sister in SD is Lakota Sioux. I have so much respect for the Sioux. ❤
I noticed the subtle change in the way Ray is dressed from the beginning of the movie to the end and often wonder if that was a visual cue from the director to highlight how Rays feelings and personality has changed. Just a thought.
@@Anime_Lover_PHX_SAC_ABQi think they mostly mean in the colors & color motifs as his clothing, not necessarily practicalness of his attire. Frank & Milton & his goons all also wear suits & dress shirts right up to the end of the movie while chasing people with guns and whatnot. Although, I think it's also fair to say Ray probably started dressing somewhat more "casually" not only for practical reasons, but also to show he was more comfortable while on the reservation. But to go back to my point about color motifs: in the beginning of the film, Ray wears his suits of course, but the main thing here is that they're almost always red, blue, and white, or have all those three colors in the outfit SOMEWHERE, which are the American flag colors (& him as an FBI agent, shows that's where his allegiance is, initially). His outfits slowly start to change until he gets to wearing tans & browns, resembling the reservation landscape colors of yellow prairie grasses, brown earth, and tan rocks, showing that his allegiance has switched to fighting with the Lakota & fighting for their land there. You could also say its reminiscent of traditional Lakota clothing made from leather. Additionally, Ray always wears Black whenever death is involved: he's wearing a Black & White suit (plus a striped red, blue, and white tie) when he first arrives at the reservation, he wears black when he finds out Maggie has died, when he finds Yellowhawk assassinated, and when he visits Maggie's grave later, Black being the color of mourning in European cultures.
This is among the most magisterial, important movies ever put to celluloid. And it’s coming out on Blu-ray! I hope the disc has as an extra, “Incident At Oglala.”
I think it was meant to symbolize the colonizer culture's disregard, disrespect and degradation of centuries old wisdom, leading to the destruction of Turtle Island. I'm most likely wrong,though 🤷🐢💗
Listening to grandpa now that hes taken the journey as one of the last people who WAS ALIVE at WOUNDED KNEE hits so hard 30 years later. Phoenix Thunderheart is my name thst the great spirit gsve me when iwas adopted back into my culture when i lost myself❤ I rose from the ashes with a thunder in my heart to guide those who can help rebuild what has been taken away
I do love me some white savior ndn movies! Dances with Wolves, Little Big Man, Thunderheart... All so good. Showed me more than any history books ever could.
Well his daddy was half Lakota, and that makes him a quarter. I'm half native half white and I could've played Raymond LaVoy. haha@@ImYourHuckleberry_29
My people like many others have endured so much, and we’re still here the US government didn’t win and never will. each baby that is born is a victory for us
The US government had no interest in destroying your people, breaking spirits, or destroying lives. Only obtaining land and territory, the rest was just extra nonsense.
This movie made me as a person partially. ... keep thinking about Mr Magoo ... I` m polish. I have read many books about idndians as a kid. Till no w they are example to follow for me. They way of life. Nothing better thenthat. ... Hokka hey. :)) ).: Washischu... :))) ). .
Never did catch up with this movie. Amazon wants $13 dollars. Maybe somebody don't want you to watch it. Loved it when he said "they broke my TV". Showed Native Americans aren't a stereotype frozen in the 1800s.
“We live with the Earth.” As early man and woman did. i am from that spirit. As a child in the country north of Manhattan, i lived with the Earth. It was my own feeling. Everything had a spirit, even the rocks and they still I feel that. I still have an arrow made of white quartz i found in the woods. Trees are life. We live in them. Earth is our mother. She gives and destroys to renew. She is herself. This is my own spiritual life i felt as a child. I love the music in the beginning. i felt the terror of the women children as they ran for the first time. They were so real. (as i die with the millions of peoples who have been murdered down through history.) The spirit of the Dine and all the people lives. . . 🐦⬛🦅🐺🦬🦌🌲
I just came across this by accident . I like Val Kilmer Movie’s and Movies that have real Indian’s playing Indians. I am of Italian and Portuguese ancestry and grew up watching the old Hollywood films that were very good except for Westerns. John Wayne may be called a racist but you could not prove that to Me. “Too late Nathan” the old Chief said and when the Generals Son delivered a message and said the General sent Him He was corrected with “ Your Pa”. Anyway this looks good and I will be watching it. Also i like looking up the actor’s like the old guys who finally got their break . I will be looking up what they had in those Peace Pipes. I will never get a honest answer as to why such a disparity of force and assets deployed against so few in situation’s like this and My own on several occasion’s were denied to the protection of Ambassador Christopher Stevens who was set up to be Murdered in Libya. You American Indian’s are a tough people known for fighting prowess still I question the heavy fist of the Government at time’s . I try to put Myself in their place having entertained being a Black Dodger at the County Fair Myself when Young. When I see all those armed officers and the wanna be soldier Garet Trooper Swat tactics it is de ja vu for Me after anonymous reports by toxic people and other government sanctioned overreach and overzealousness. One of My daughters boyfriends was arrested at My home for stealing bicycles and what happened to those Indian’s Happened to Me except for the rifle butt in the gut. Now My neighbors will think of Me if they ever Hear Adam Sandler’s Moyda. They think I am some kind of Rambo / Mr Rodgers.
So wait! He said he was one year old in 1890??? So what year does this movie take place? Cause he would be 90 years old in 1979, but I assumed the movie took place in present day 1992?
Btw, Michael Apted and Roger Deakins deserve so much credit for crafting one on the great films to ever come out of the machine. Truly a great achievement in storytelling.
they got him addicted, the old ways were diffrent , medicine, poisons ,abuse , weapons,, theres alot of divisions cuase of this alcohol , modern day drugs, sugars ,fats
Yep..I was Called Turtle by US Gov coming from Los Alamos New Mexico talking w Dept of Energy regarding serious issues...in NFla Turtle Woman of Saudia Arabia got in touch Twitter.. And calling Me Better Than Elon Musk Programs...
What do you mean "you people"? Don't you know that we're all Americans? Especially the ones who were hear first. When critics accused William Faulkner of only writing about the past, his response was that they were partially right. He added that the past isn't even past. It affects everything we deal with today. Can't escape it even if you try to ignore it. Just look at current events, sir.
This scene here!!! Really all of it!!!! Do y'all really Understand? Ancestors are with us Speak from blood soaked soil ~ "sometimes they hafta kill us" 🪶👣🙏🏾💜🌎
"We know the difference between the reality of freedom and the illusion of freedom." Best line ever in a movie.
Best line about colonizers invading Turtle Island 🪶🌎
Takes your breath away
Spoken by John Trudell❤
A powerful movie. Saw it in the theatre. Graham Greene was hilarious. Val KIlmer shined. RIP John Trudell.
This is one of the hardest movies to find to watch. Val Kilmer has mentioned that it was one of his most favorite ones to do.
Dont forget " old man "
"Sometimes they have to kill us, they have to kill us, because they can't break our spirit."
That's so strong ❤
Run, run for the Stronghold...the Solders are coming.
They broke my tv
An underrated movie a must see movie
This movie is so damn good. Right up there with "Skins" as my two favorite Native movies ever. Wish they still made em like this.
John Trudell, class act and legendary activists. A true hero, may he rest in power👊🏽💥
Spirit Peltier.
This is an excellent movie....one of Val's best.
I love this movie. So very very much.
I love this movie one of Val Kilmer best roles
This movie was a heartbreaker!!
Val Kilmer was at his best!!
@@darrylturner2611 It had a GREAT Hopeful and Uplifting Ending. Hokahey!!!💛❤️🖤🤍🏹
Still one of his best acting parts!
Val Kilmer was such a good actor. I'm so glad Cruise made a spot for him in Top Gun Maverick.
He's still going to be one of my favorites.
This is an absolute master piece! Its a personal FAVORITE! I loved living in SD and I'm Chickasaw and my soul sister in SD is Lakota Sioux. I have so much respect for the Sioux. ❤
My fave movie too.
I noticed the subtle change in the way Ray is dressed from the beginning of the movie to the end and often wonder if that was a visual cue from the director to highlight how Rays feelings and personality has changed. Just a thought.
Never thought of this. Very interesting
We’ll, summer time on Pine Ridge can get pretty hot. Would make it kind of hard to pursue criminals when dressed in a full suit and necktie.
@@Anime_Lover_PHX_SAC_ABQi think they mostly mean in the colors & color motifs as his clothing, not necessarily practicalness of his attire. Frank & Milton & his goons all also wear suits & dress shirts right up to the end of the movie while chasing people with guns and whatnot. Although, I think it's also fair to say Ray probably started dressing somewhat more "casually" not only for practical reasons, but also to show he was more comfortable while on the reservation.
But to go back to my point about color motifs: in the beginning of the film, Ray wears his suits of course, but the main thing here is that they're almost always red, blue, and white, or have all those three colors in the outfit SOMEWHERE, which are the American flag colors (& him as an FBI agent, shows that's where his allegiance is, initially). His outfits slowly start to change until he gets to wearing tans & browns, resembling the reservation landscape colors of yellow prairie grasses, brown earth, and tan rocks, showing that his allegiance has switched to fighting with the Lakota & fighting for their land there. You could also say its reminiscent of traditional Lakota clothing made from leather. Additionally, Ray always wears Black whenever death is involved: he's wearing a Black & White suit (plus a striped red, blue, and white tie) when he first arrives at the reservation, he wears black when he finds out Maggie has died, when he finds Yellowhawk assassinated, and when he visits Maggie's grave later, Black being the color of mourning in European cultures.
This is among the most magisterial, important movies ever put to celluloid. And it’s coming out on Blu-ray! I hope the disc has as an extra, “Incident At Oglala.”
It's even hard to find on the movie apps.
Sad when that agent stomps on that turtle shell after knowing how long its been with the people
Lot of sad things in this movie,
Thst was its time
Everything will find its end
It's who they are. It's what they do.
I think it was meant to symbolize the colonizer culture's disregard, disrespect and degradation of centuries old wisdom, leading to the destruction of Turtle Island.
I'm most likely wrong,though 🤷🐢💗
Great movie 🎬
Listening to grandpa now that hes taken the journey as one of the last people who WAS ALIVE at WOUNDED KNEE hits so hard 30 years later.
Phoenix Thunderheart is my name thst the great spirit gsve me when iwas adopted back into my culture when i lost myself❤
I rose from the ashes with a thunder in my heart to guide those who can help rebuild what has been taken away
John Trudell spoke at my college graduation at the Institute of American Indian Arts
I do love me some white savior ndn movies! Dances with Wolves, Little Big Man, Thunderheart... All so good. Showed me more than any history books ever could.
Little Big Man is a favorite to watch every year 😂🪶
😂a'ho!!!!!!
Kilmers character wasn't white though
Well his daddy was half Lakota, and that makes him a quarter. I'm half native half white and I could've played Raymond LaVoy. haha@@ImYourHuckleberry_29
Nice to hear Val Kilmer So sad cancer has changed him so much He was a good actor Could have made more movies❤
When will the beautiful movie thunder heart,, ❤️ be on utube for free, so I can see it.??
Visually spectacular and based on facts
Thats one of my favorite movie Love it The truth at last..some it anyway😢
Im a me wuk indian. "They broke my tv" reminds me of my dad.
Always thought Ray replaced it before he left.
My people like many others have endured so much, and we’re still here the US government didn’t win and never will. each baby that is born is a victory for us
❤️❤️❤️❤️
The US government had no interest in destroying your people, breaking spirits, or destroying lives. Only obtaining land and territory, the rest was just extra nonsense.
The victim mentality isn't a good look.
Huh? America beat the Indians like the Indians beat each other. If you would have won do you think you'd be paying our healthcare and dental?
Bro, you are a red head with blue eyes. Wtf are you talking about 😂
VERY GOOD MOVIE TOP PERFORMANCE FROM ALL AND FRED WILLIAMSON IN MY OPINION IS VERY VERY UNDERRATED
From 6:55 on is some powerful acting.
Talented guy going from Jim Morrison to an FBI agent in the same year
This is such a great movie ❤️
When val turned around holding that fbi agents arm he was going to shoulder toss him but didn't
This actually happened! This is a Documentary...not a movie!
This is about Lenard Peltier
It was such a DRAMATIC Episode of the United States History; that cannot be erased. 😢
My cousins's uncle showed it to us after he told us about the second Wounded Knee.
Mr. Val Kilmer was an American Treasure -Native American!
God bless those people.
When me and my buddies would run to the car or something we'd say, "HEAD FOR THE STRONGHOLD!"
Favorite part of the movie
need to get this film...saw it in theater with my best friend who is now in the spirit world and his brother.
Movie hit different with me being Lakota Sioux
This movie made me as a person partially. ... keep thinking about Mr Magoo ... I` m polish. I have read many books about idndians as a kid. Till no w they are example to follow for me. They way of life. Nothing better thenthat. ... Hokka hey. :)) ).: Washischu... :))) ). .
Leonard would always be remembered fight the good fight
Never did catch up with this movie. Amazon wants $13 dollars. Maybe somebody don't want you to watch it. Loved it when he said "they broke my TV". Showed Native Americans aren't a stereotype frozen in the 1800s.
1 Of the Best !
I always get so mad cause I can never find this movie!!! I love Graham Green with Val Kilmer.
Ein schöner Film ich hab ihn gesehen. Donner Herz ♥
I totally agree with you sir.Chuck billy said it right,"nightmare coming back to you". Louie.
Awesome film.
Here in 2024, esp. on TH-cam. There was an old video of the CIA acknowledging the existence of the Astral plane.
Same thing is happening in Hawaii right now
Cannibalism by land grab and realty corporations.
“We live with the Earth.”
As early man and woman did. i am from that spirit. As a child in the country north of Manhattan, i lived with the Earth. It was my own feeling. Everything had a spirit, even the rocks and they still I feel that. I still have an arrow made of white quartz i found in the woods. Trees are life. We live in them. Earth is our mother. She gives and destroys to renew. She is herself. This is my own spiritual life i felt as a child.
I love the music in the beginning. i felt the terror of the women children as they ran for the first time. They were so real. (as i die with the millions of peoples who have been murdered down through history.) The spirit of the Dine and all the people lives. . . 🐦⬛🦅🐺🦬🦌🌲
They broke my TV hehe lol
And some of the actors are even Native American and true to the story not the ones you might think….
“They broke my tv”
I saw this in the theater. Great film. The real story is the fact that we’re all slaves to the same system. Shalom!
"They have to kill us...because they can't break our spirit"
Love that line also!
They broke my TV 📺
I still have this film on vhs
yeah but Graham Greene is an Apple but that Movie and the Speach of John Trudell Legendary
Hawaii is an perfect picture. God be with them, our king,our god
I just came across this by accident . I like Val Kilmer Movie’s and Movies that have real Indian’s playing Indians. I am of Italian and Portuguese ancestry and grew up watching the old Hollywood films that were very good except for Westerns. John Wayne may be called a racist but you could not prove that to Me. “Too late Nathan” the old Chief said and when the Generals Son delivered a message and said the General sent Him He was corrected with “ Your Pa”. Anyway this looks good and I will be watching it. Also i like looking up the actor’s like the old guys who finally got their break . I will be looking up what they had in those Peace Pipes. I will never get a honest answer as to why such a disparity of force and assets deployed against so few in situation’s like this and My own on several occasion’s were denied to the protection of Ambassador Christopher Stevens who was set up to be Murdered in Libya. You American Indian’s are a tough people known for fighting prowess still I question the heavy fist of the Government at time’s . I try to put Myself in their place having entertained being a Black Dodger at the County Fair Myself when Young. When I see all those armed officers and the wanna be soldier Garet Trooper Swat tactics it is de ja vu for Me after anonymous reports by toxic people and other government sanctioned overreach and overzealousness. One of My daughters boyfriends was arrested at My home for stealing bicycles and what happened to those Indian’s Happened to Me except for the rifle butt in the gut. Now My neighbors will think of Me if they ever Hear Adam Sandler’s Moyda. They think I am some kind of Rambo / Mr Rodgers.
what is the name of this movie?
THUNDERHEART (1992)
Thunderheart has returned remember when a elder tells u stuff u listen 👂 and listen good. Because there is a message in everything
Read Ojibwa Warrior. You see some parts of this movie and think, no way it was like that. Yep. It was like that and much worse.
"They broke my TV!!!"
surprized he'd even have one actually
@@davew526 Same.
So wait! He said he was one year old in 1890??? So what year does this movie take place? Cause he would be 90 years old in 1979, but I assumed the movie took place in present day 1992?
It’s set in the 1970’s. Based on fact
it was the best Modern Movie about the Violence against AIM in this Time and against 500 Nations from the FBI but the End would never happen that Way
❤
Btw, Michael Apted and Roger Deakins deserve so much credit for crafting one on the great films to ever come out of the machine. Truly a great achievement in storytelling.
Aber auch sehr traurig 😢
Listen but then again
so a sad story
The Natives thought they could defend the White with the Vision but it never comes true and they asking was this an Illusion or what mean this Vision
undead among us
Best was old man😂
The actor Richard Yellow Hawk is my dad's best friend.hiz name is Josh
He was very underrated in this movie and played it so well
they got him addicted, the old ways were diffrent , medicine, poisons ,abuse , weapons,, theres alot of divisions cuase of this alcohol , modern day drugs, sugars ,fats
What's the name of the movie where the Twin gets stolen and his enemy steals his son.sees he is actually Cheyenne? The little boys set traps.
Windwalker🪶🪶🪶🪶
Yep..I was Called Turtle by US Gov coming from Los Alamos New Mexico talking w Dept of Energy regarding serious issues...in NFla Turtle Woman of Saudia Arabia got in touch Twitter..
And calling Me Better Than Elon Musk Programs...
Ya well tell ur parents about it :-)
I care about the Native Americans today.
Their own homes lands gone.
Give us some land back then. I'll take some if you're offering LAND BACK
Disband the fbi
🪶
You people live in the past and that's where you'll live☠💀
What do you mean "you people"? Don't you know that we're all Americans? Especially the ones who were hear first. When critics accused William Faulkner of only writing about the past, his response was that they were partially right. He added that the past isn't even past. It affects everything we deal with today. Can't escape it even if you try to ignore it. Just look at current events, sir.
Nope still here and still standing bud ig I'm not living in the past 😂 so wtf are you on about?
YOU PEOPLE stuck some of us on reservations, on purpose, with zero economic opportunities, AND IT WAS ALL BY YOUR WHITE COLONIAL GOVERNMENT'S DESIGN.
This scene here!!! Really all of it!!!! Do y'all really Understand? Ancestors are with us Speak from blood soaked soil ~ "sometimes they hafta kill us" 🪶👣🙏🏾💜🌎
Stirs my Soul ❤
❤️💛🤍🖤