See all my upgrades: th-cam.com/video/RZvLWYtC0Ak/w-d-xo.html Timestamps: 2:26 chain comparison 7:30 weight compare 7:51 first impressions 9:23 top speed 10:43 final thoughts
The only reason your top speed changed is due to what you yourself pointed out; the inefficiency of the old chain due to ingress of dirt/lack of oiling. The increased rolling resistance/drag will remqin constant hroughout throttle range if anything increasing, thus reducing top speed. Greater efficiency less rolling resistance = less drag = easier for motor to spin up & keep on spooling = more top speed
@@davideinstein7887 Even properly maintained, o-ring chains are more rigid and resist rotation more than a non-o-ring chain. Non o-ring chains are much more high maintenance, though. They don't hold lube to the chain, which means it has to be oiled/waxed every few rides to stay in good shape. An x-ring chain is a good compromise. It is less resistive than an o-ring chain, but also hold lube due to the x-rings. X-ring chains are more expensive, however.
A "non O-ring" chain does require more maintenance that an "O-ring" version. But the added power to the rear wheel is why I raced with "non O-ring" chains.
i had the same experience , way quieter and reaches top speed faster, considering that you can get it for 20 bucks its prolly the best upgrade you can do to a surron.
Manufacturers of X-ring chains claim to have less resistance than o-ring chains and saving power while providing for less maintenance. X-ring chains remain quiet. Non ring chains will provide the least amount of friction resistance.
You really need to put on some riding gear or something 25-53 mph on asphalt probably wouldn't feel good on those bare knee caps hell even 4mph wouldn't feel good 50 mph u might loose a body part and that shit don't grow back
The THEORY is that the o-rings keep the factory grease in and dirt out. It's typical for an o-ring chain to be stiff when it's cold, but after getting it up to temp it loosens. So, what you're seeing and feeling with the bike cold isn't fully indicative of an o-ring chain's "inefficiency." Whereas any new non-o-ring chain will definitely give an instant boost, which you show. The question is what happens in real-world usage where dirt gets into a non-o-ring chain vs an o-ring one. Then the efficiency differences may be measurable the other way (with non-o-ring losing efficiency), but for those of us who just want basic reliability an o-ring chain will probably serve us best. In motorcycle usage what most street bikes will experience is that a non-o-ring chain will wear, and stretch, a lot quicker than an o-ring chain due to the loss of the factory grease and the intrusion of dirt. I've found in my various forays into skateboarding and inline skating and bicycling that there's lots of mumbo jumbo about bearing and chain efficiencies and the types of lubes used and how they're applied, and a lot of the science and real world numbers can show improvements WHEN VERY STRICT MAINTENANCE SCHEDULES ARE ADHERED TO. If you don't want to do intense cleaning and lubing every single session then, yeah, you're gonna go slower. Is the extra work worth the extra speed? You have to figure out for yourself how much effort you wanna put in. So, put a couple hundred miles on that chain and let us know how it works for you. It might be the hot ticket, or maybe it might not.
Yes it does, if you expand the description box below the video it will show you how many links you need for the original 48T sprocket that comes in the Sur Ron
Thanks, I made some comments on them in my most recent video, “14 upgrades” there is a time stamp. I like them but they are heavier than the stock ones. Hope this helps!
Look up the purpose of the Oring chains there far better hence why most of the big boy bike use them. I've got 2 stings both standard ones Oring one not and no differents what so ever
@@JuicedJoyrides - I used 20 weight shock oil on my chain when I first got it which evaporated away too quickly. That's not as protective as marine grease. it's also going to attract dirt. That could be the right solution if you're in a salty coastal area with low dust and away from sand. The chain would require complete incasement to keep it free from debris.
Great question, I would say when my battery gets to about 70% I can tell it’s getting less exciting. As for top speed, I don’t really max it out that often so I can’t really comment on that confidently.
I got my surron used and the chain has so much slack that it sometimes touches the frame. So I’m thinking of just going straight to a sprocket and chain upgrade. The tension is max already so I hope the reason why it has slack is because of wear.
I would, sprocket is probably the best bang for the buck performance boost. Keep in mind if you do this non ring chain it is going to be quite a bit louder
Oring chains last longer and are usually quieter. I don't think I would change mine. I have 2600 miles on mine with little wear...I have a 52 tooth sprocket and top speed is 46....Way fast enough as I'm in the woods all the time. Once your new chain is broke in it will get noisy.
These stock bikes aren't meant for speed, they're offroad bikes, you can upgrade to make them more dirt bikes or more super moto and the capabilities are damn good(crazy suspension & torque, 80mph+, etc.) That being said, my battery,motor & controller are stock, I just put a 58T sprocket and non o ring chain and I'm getting to 51 mph in about 4 seconds 🤷♂️
No, I did not bypass the battery until after I put the bac4000 on, but adding the bac4000 and not bypassing the battery these was basically no noticeable power difference
i ordered a 120 link chain for my bike as someone told me it is possible to get it to fit on the stock 48t sprocket is this true? in addition will adding a longer chain increase or decrease my top speed?
See all my upgrades:
th-cam.com/video/RZvLWYtC0Ak/w-d-xo.html
Timestamps:
2:26 chain comparison
7:30 weight compare
7:51 first impressions
9:23 top speed
10:43 final thoughts
The only reason your top speed changed is due to what you yourself pointed out; the inefficiency of the old chain due to ingress of dirt/lack of oiling. The increased rolling resistance/drag will remqin constant hroughout throttle range if anything increasing, thus reducing top speed. Greater efficiency less rolling resistance = less drag = easier for motor to spin up & keep on spooling = more top speed
so the stock chain is good to go??? just clean it?
@@davideinstein7887 you gotta maintain it, so yes clean it and oil it
@@davideinstein7887 Even properly maintained, o-ring chains are more rigid and resist rotation more than a non-o-ring chain. Non o-ring chains are much more high maintenance, though. They don't hold lube to the chain, which means it has to be oiled/waxed every few rides to stay in good shape. An x-ring chain is a good compromise. It is less resistive than an o-ring chain, but also hold lube due to the x-rings. X-ring chains are more expensive, however.
@@davideinstein7887219 chain best
Just bought a Renthal R1 chain after watching your video :)
Going to use it with my 56 Tooth Sprocket
Heck yeah! Happy riding!
How do you like it?
@@jonlock7150 Its a lot better than stock, it has more range, more power but Top speed is only 2km/h more. And the throttle is a lot smoother.
A "non O-ring" chain does require more maintenance that an "O-ring" version. But the added power to the rear wheel is why I raced with "non O-ring" chains.
i had the same experience , way quieter and reaches top speed faster, considering that you can get it for 20 bucks its prolly the best upgrade you can do to a surron.
it’s now 50 on amazon 😭
Manufacturers of X-ring chains claim to have less resistance than o-ring chains and saving power while providing for less maintenance. X-ring chains remain quiet. Non ring chains will provide the least amount of friction resistance.
O ring chain just seems better tbh, less maintenance is my main thing, I want a belt but they're expensive as hell
I know im a year late but belts are alright, but they can get damaged easier if you're riding offroad stuff. Belts are better for pavement imo
That is normal resistance in an o-ring chain.
Your new chain may be smoother but will require more maintenance
I keep telling myself I can handle the extra maintenance, we’ll see what actually happens though :D
Yep. You're only losing around 15% om power with an o ring chain.
Stickers for horsepower 😂
You have clean the chain every now and then.
You really need to put on some riding gear or something 25-53 mph on asphalt probably wouldn't feel good on those bare knee caps hell even 4mph wouldn't feel good 50 mph u might loose a body part and that shit don't grow back
The THEORY is that the o-rings keep the factory grease in and dirt out. It's typical for an o-ring chain to be stiff when it's cold, but after getting it up to temp it loosens. So, what you're seeing and feeling with the bike cold isn't fully indicative of an o-ring chain's "inefficiency." Whereas any new non-o-ring chain will definitely give an instant boost, which you show. The question is what happens in real-world usage where dirt gets into a non-o-ring chain vs an o-ring one. Then the efficiency differences may be measurable the other way (with non-o-ring losing efficiency), but for those of us who just want basic reliability an o-ring chain will probably serve us best. In motorcycle usage what most street bikes will experience is that a non-o-ring chain will wear, and stretch, a lot quicker than an o-ring chain due to the loss of the factory grease and the intrusion of dirt.
I've found in my various forays into skateboarding and inline skating and bicycling that there's lots of mumbo jumbo about bearing and chain efficiencies and the types of lubes used and how they're applied, and a lot of the science and real world numbers can show improvements WHEN VERY STRICT MAINTENANCE SCHEDULES ARE ADHERED TO. If you don't want to do intense cleaning and lubing every single session then, yeah, you're gonna go slower. Is the extra work worth the extra speed? You have to figure out for yourself how much effort you wanna put in.
So, put a couple hundred miles on that chain and let us know how it works for you. It might be the hot ticket, or maybe it might not.
Check out my latest video, it shows this chain still performs better then the o-ring chain after a month of no maintenance
if you ride your sur-ron offroad you have to clean the chain after every session anyways, o-ring or not so it might as well be non o-ring
@@bozoner I've heard a lot of mx'ers use non o-ring chains.
X-ring...
The original chain is stuff af probably due to lack of maintenance. Cleaning oiling etc.. regularly
Great stuff man! Does this chain work with a stock sprocket? Thank you
Yes it does, if you expand the description box below the video it will show you how many links you need for the original 48T sprocket that comes in the Sur Ron
Have you always been so good at making videos?
I like you’re video
Thanks! I’m publishing a new video showing all the upgrades soon
The original chain in a bath of oil overnight would make a difference.
I may have to try that. What kind of oil?
you rock with your willies. say you think this works with mt ariel rider x-class 52v? Keep on rocking.
Thanks, that’s a hub drive bike so there is no power loss in the drive train, changing the chain on that bike won’t make a difference
I love your content bro I can’t wait to buy mine I got 1,300 saved up for far lol I’m obsessed
Nice! Thanks! Hope you get enough saved to buy one soon!
@@JuicedJoyrides much love bro I’m grinding lol I’ll have one this year for sure 😤
@@wavybabylive did you get it 👀👀
How you liking it?
Cool vid. How do you like those tires?
Thanks, I made some comments on them in my most recent video, “14 upgrades” there is a time stamp. I like them but they are heavier than the stock ones. Hope this helps!
Look up the purpose of the Oring chains there far better hence why most of the big boy bike use them. I've got 2 stings both standard ones Oring one not and no differents what so ever
I've hit 50 on mine with stock battery and controller. So your bac4000 basically does nothing?
he's got a larger sprocket which means less top speed so it's actually impressive
Thanks for the vids, purchased a few mods after seeing your list. Did you notice the chain get louder after breaking it in?
I think it did, it’s time for a cleaning I think
Is this Miami FL? Just wondering about your ebike laws.
Los Angeles, aka, there are basically no laws
What type of tires do you have installed?
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I use Traxxas Marine Grease on my chain.
After watching your vid I can see the 20 weight shock oil isn't gonna do it for me.
Tell me more about this 20 weight shock oil, I don’t know what you’re talking about
@@JuicedJoyrides - I used 20 weight shock oil on my chain when I first got it which evaporated away too quickly.
That's not as protective as marine grease. it's also going to attract dirt.
That could be the right solution if you're in a salty coastal area with low dust and away from sand.
The chain would require complete incasement to keep it free from debris.
Why is ur top speed so slow if you have a bac and a bypassed battery?
Quick question with Sur rons, when do you start noticing the power and top speed to dip? What percentage roughly?
Great question, I would say when my battery gets to about 70% I can tell it’s getting less exciting. As for top speed, I don’t really max it out that often so I can’t really comment on that confidently.
That's crap my £350 E scooter is better on battery and probably get as many miles too lmao 🤣
@@Motorizedstuff scooter 😂
@@Motorizedstuff scooter lol oooo look out lol
@@Motorizedstuff can your scooter do 50 mph have two hundred pounds of torque? And about let’s say 50 miles in range?
yes bro that old chain needs to go in the bin never to be used again 😊👍🏾
sadly i'm still hoarding it just in case i wanna try a smaller sprocket again
I got my surron used and the chain has so much slack that it sometimes touches the frame. So I’m thinking of just going straight to a sprocket and chain upgrade. The tension is max already so I hope the reason why it has slack is because of wear.
I would, sprocket is probably the best bang for the buck performance boost. Keep in mind if you do this non ring chain it is going to be quite a bit louder
@@JuicedJoyrides I would prefer people being able to hear the louder chain when I’m near them
Oring chains last longer and are usually quieter. I don't think I would change mine. I have 2600 miles on mine with little wear...I have a 52 tooth sprocket and top speed is 46....Way fast enough as I'm in the woods all the time. Once your new chain is broke in it will get noisy.
46 miles per hour that's bad why do these bikes cost soo much and go so slow
These stock bikes aren't meant for speed, they're offroad bikes, you can upgrade to make them more dirt bikes or more super moto and the capabilities are damn good(crazy suspension & torque, 80mph+, etc.) That being said, my battery,motor & controller are stock, I just put a 58T sprocket and non o ring chain and I'm getting to 51 mph in about 4 seconds 🤷♂️
Could the stock chain have dirty grease on it that's why it does that?
Did I hear you tried a bypassed stock battery w stock controller? Was there any benefits?
No, I did not bypass the battery until after I put the bac4000 on, but adding the bac4000 and not bypassing the battery these was basically no noticeable power difference
i ordered a 120 link chain for my bike as someone told me it is possible to get it to fit on the stock 48t sprocket is this true? in addition will adding a longer chain increase or decrease my top speed?
I just have to say that it really bothers me that this guy is so paranoid about getting his hands dirty lol. It’s just grease lol.
whats the bag you got on the battery cover?
don't forget to lube your chain bro,😊
haha it's probably time for some chain maintenance
Is it. A 420 chain size
Yes
No chain slack..? Good luck with compression of the back suspension..
I’m still not sure how much slack to have, I realize that was too tight, but I think I’m figuring it out
no need for chain slack since the front sprocket is on the same axle as the swing arm
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