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"Yo, idk wtf you just said little kid but you special. You reached right in and took it by the heart," tracy Morgan to Jay and Bob. You sound like you're down with experienced zen circles. I think my shin buddhist crew is much cooler but let me see if I can rap with you guys. Right before I turned 16, I found taoism much cooler than buddhism and christianity. Visiting my grandma at the old family house, I had the experience of what absolute was. Absolute light and absolute darkness. Though absolutely opposite, the ability to grasp this put me on an undoubtedly enlightened level. Later, I walked into the desert and so many types of wild animals came up to me, I guess from my peaceful oneness with everything. My mind was blown but later my grandma was so happy that I was happy though she just listened to me speak. But I talked to my dad and I finally understood his hippie talks all these years. Even though we had different words and experiences we were in perfect agreement and absolutely understood each other. In essence, the world is full of idiots so don't hang out with them. When one is sincere it empties the mind of thoughts of suffering and is one with the eternally perfect mind. Then you know how to use the things on earth to the way buddha intended since he created everything: to create limitless joy. I really had a friend named zen and we'd get our bisexual girlfriends together and everyone was happy. And zens neighbors name was koan. I mean really, seeing lesbians happy together, absolute perfection.
A story that stuck with me was of a Zen student asking his teacher if dogs can achieve enlightenment, and the Zen master responds by barking. Totally pointless, but it's always been in the back of my mind.
Zen is the ultimate “I’m rubber you’re glue” religion. You could be trying to make fun of it and its practitioners will be like “yes that might be dumb, but isn’t that awesome as well?”
When you put it like that, it makes me wonder if that's how a person can, in an oh so un-Zen way, tell the difference between a kid using it to be all more-enlightened-than-yall (me in my teens), and people who actually try to internalize Zen properly (definitely not me).
@@LunDruid As a fairly experienced Zen practitioner, you think you're on a journey, google sutras for a few years and give up, then realize that you aren't going anywhere, just stripping away the illusions that reality is made of
Reminds me of the king of hill bit when hank threatens to kick a Buddhist monks ass because of Bobby, he responded, "if my ass is to be kicked, it is to be kicked" 😭😭
When I once jokingly asked my kids (8-11 at that time) what's the sound of one hand clapping, they simultaneously slapped one hand against their foreheads. I was so proud of them! 🥲
I don't even like the monks. Lin is almost as cool as the beautiful, Japanese, female teacher I used to study with. He's almost as cool, obviously because he's a guy but cooler than every zen monk I met.
What the hell are they doing on TH-cam anyway? Shouldn't they be off meditating and eschewing a life of material pleasures? Those slackers need to get back to work.
This is the Best Short Video Explanation of Zen that I have seen in the last 32 years of meditating and studying Zen Buddhism. Outstanding Explanation. Simply beautiful. *bows deeply
My dad loved logic and taught me to always be logical. So he hated it when I grew up and gave a logical argument in a fight that he couldn't counter😂😂😂
Many different philosophies eligions end up pointing towards non-dualism. It may not be deriving so much as just parallel construction. If someone gets deep enough into philosophical thought to start questioning duality and the relationship between seeming opposites, nondualism is right around the corner.
Yo, that's what I'm saying. There's only one eternal mind and enlightened masters teach that but in different languages and cultures obviously. The masters are super best friends and only like perfect harmony. What's the point of chaos?
That's the fun thing about East Asian religions and philosophies- they intermingled with each other so much that in many cases it's impossible to tell where exactly a specific idea came from. Even individual people to this day have ideas and beliefs that tend to span a variety of different religious systems (most famously, the overlap between Buddhism and Shinto in Japan). Not that religion is necessarily ambiguous in Asia, but it certainly is fluid.
It's clear that you did your research on Zen, including taking that inner journey & entering the gate-less gate. Congratulations. Keep up the meditation. Enlightenment is a process.
@@Ass_of_Amalek do they consider animals closer to enlightenment? You need intelligence to know the limits that rationality offers and where spiritualism can bridge the void to the divine.
Dogen didn't say screw old Buddhsim, Dogen was old Buddhism. Soto, or Cao Dong in Chinese, placed all the emphasis on seated meditation, like Sakyamuni. He was pretty opinionated about things, but he also was a T'ien T'ai monastic, and studied under a Rinzai teacher. The form and look of Buddhism changed over the centuries, but Dogen's school stuck true to the form of practice of Sakyamuni's dharma; sitting there in pain until you become a giant know'it'all.
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ My answer : A senior and novice monk were traveling through the countryside when they came upon a river. The river was swollen making it very difficult to pass. Standing at the edge of the river was a lovely, young woman in elegant clothes unsure of how to get across. She asked the monks for help. The monks had taken a vow of celibacy that prevented them from making eye contact with women, much less touching them. But after barely a pause, the senior monk picked up the woman and carried her across. The novice monk was shocked and speechless. His elder had broken his vows! As the monks continued their journey hours passed and no one spoke until the younger monk could no longer contain himself. “How could you carry that woman across the river when we aren’t even supposed to look at women?” he blurted out in frustration. The senior monk replied, “I set that woman down hours ago. Why are you still carrying her?”
I actually got to take Buddhism Philosophy as a class in college. I distinctly remember the section Zen b/c it was one long WTF. Ex. You see cow who's tail is trapped in a hole in a window from where it had jumped through.
So is Zen sort of the understanding that all things flow into each other as a gradient, and distinct boxes can be detrimental in understanding that gradient and the individual points on it without a warped perspective? I feel like I really got it but really didn't... but maybe that's intended? +1 for the Zen trap
As a particle physicist, I am shocked by how familiar this Zen philosophy sounds to the actual truth of the matter. When this idea was clearly conceived much earlier than when we could actually prove that living creatures are essentially just density fluctuations in the Universe itself. With a sea of matter and energy entering and leaving the organism, while maintaining relatively the same form.
Zen Buddhism therefore, I think is compatible with Christianity not in its deities but it's practice. However, you are to not praise the universe as it is an object of God, but to appreciate God for making you both apart from it and having your own spirit. I was actually discussing eastern religion with a great Bible scholar, TH-cam channel is Ancient Egypt and The Bible, regarding things like this and Shinto. We can't thank or glorify hypothetical nature Spirits that could possibly exist but aren't mentioned in the Bible that govern sacred space so I'm trying to figure out what we can do, but I'm deeply in love with Eastern religion, Christianity and modern science since I think they enhance each other, barring the incompatible concepts that I firmly believe are distortions or misunderstandings of the truth. The world god created is beautiful, and I love Japan, China, Tibet, Korea, Burma,Laos, Thailand , Cambodia, Manchuria, and Vietnam a lot culturally. I hope you appreciate my comment! 😊
I'm watching this at nearly 1AM and need to go to bed as I have work in the morning. But if sleep and wakefulness are supposed to be the same, but separate, what IS sleep? Does it really exist? How can I understand sleep when I'm not awake to experience it? And when I awake, the notion of having slept quickly fades away, like a dream. I feel more rested, yes, but that is after the fact of having slept, not during it. I must go meditate on this. Thank you, Linfamy-sensei, for enlightening me 🙇🏾♀️
I've hit enlightenment a few times in my life (actually sought it out through study & meditation, decided to remain worldly after the first time.) The *second* time I hit enlightenment, it was over the following "koan": "Why did the chicken cross the road?" ...I realized the answer lay IN the answer: "To get to the other side!" (Most everyone else just doesn't get it, but that's okay.)
I think I've told you, right, about the Zen abbot in my city who told me he once contracted beriberi from eating too much white rice and not enough of anything else during his 20-year long stay at Eihei-Ji. These Zen monks are hardcore.
The full version of the clapping koan is, at least for my linguistic-logical mind, more difficult to "bypass" than the mere "what is the sound of one hand clapping". In the truncated version one can immediately point out that the way the word "clapping" is used, we always expect two hands or other objects, like two arguments for a function that demands two. One way to go about is would be that "one hand clapping" is something undefined; it could be anything that I define it to be. Or, as in functional programming, in which we do write well-defined analogous sentences like this when currying functions, the evaluation being just another well-defined sentence or function. (But when doing that we don't step outside the confines of language, so that's no answer to a koan ☺) Now if we start by first saying "two hands clap...", and what's more, ask for a demonstration of the sound of one hand ("don't answer me, show!" like in the version that I once read) we really glue ourselves into a paradox with no trivial way out - not without some inner change in the mind; acknowledging and breaking the limits of language and conceptual thought. Which, by design, language itself cannot achieve as if bootstrapping itself outside its domain. Learning about the koan must therefore include some amount of direct subjective experience that cannot be worded. Even my "meta-explanation" of the problem, itself consisting of words, is in that way also futile. Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent - but I'd imagine that for a practitioner of Zen that's precisely the starting point. (If you are one and consider my saying any of this as missing the point or even nonsensical, feel free to say so; I would be delighted.)
@@Linfamy Is begging for alms and not begging the same, is eating and not... no, seriously, monks understand the difference between study and work. Tapping a sitting monk on the head means, 1) The monk is falling asleep, which can happen. 2) The monk has sloppy posture - you want to sit properly if you're going to sit in lotus for hours and hours. 3) The monk is *almost* at the point of understanding a koan or experiencing kensho (brief glimpse of enlightenment). A quick rap on the noggin will often push the monk over the finish line. Archimedes hopped into a bath to relax before he shouted Eureka. A monk often needs a little tap to make that jump from "I" don't get it" to "Owww.... now I see".
No, because the understanding communicated would not be the student's, it would be the teller's. The student would not be able to understand the answer without experiencing it themselves.
@@Linfamy you can stop just before you hit them and make them flinched, giving them a moment of almost being whacked. Then you punch them twice for flinching (something we did in grade school) In a way that can be seen as telling someone your going to hit them without hitting them. Instead of verbal communication it’s more action based. I think a better way of explaining it would be like telling someone a plot to a story driven video game who hasn’t played it. Our experience would be different but in the end the information about the topic is being transferred from one person to another. Also hey man love your vids, and you commenting on my comment made my day.
I already unintentionally have stumbled into some of the basic concepts of Zen Buddhism on my own meditations (though of course influenced by outside sources that were no doubt influenced in turn by Zen Buddhism). So hearing you explain it made perfect sense to me.
I saw a Zen video in my recommendations and I was like Hmmm interesting. Then I looked on the channel and it was Linfamy! And then I creamed my pants! I thought it was going to be AWESOME! And you didn't let me down one bit ^w^ I LOOOOOOOOVE your videos and these ones about buddhism are really great! I like buddhism and I try to research about the schools but it's really nice to see the outside view and the gossip history bits that no monk would tell ;3
I totally dig d Simpson's tackling about Budhism.. That's 1 of the reasons why I love them. Compare to other cartoons of their generation., they are a lot more insightful.. I always go back to that episode when Liza was teaching Bart how to focus so he can beat Tod.. . Who would have thought that she could talk Bart into meditation?.. That was so Zen..
This reminds me of Fullmetal Alchemist's arc words "One is all all is one" and how trippy the concept gets when you add the question of "What is Truth?" to the mix since Truth tells Father "I am one and I am all". Naturally the popular theory is that Truth is God (in part because it explicitly tells Father such), but that always felt a bit too simplistic to me (Particularly of all the other things it called itself). What I'd always found interesting was the idea that, as oppose to the English version which has Truth voiced by one voice actress (Luci Christian), Truth was voiced by whomever was addressing it in the Japanese version. If Edward was speaking with Truth then Truth sounded like Edward and if Alphonse spoke with Truth then Truth sounded like Alphonse. To me this communicates that there is no singular entity called "Truth" and that there are as many Truths as there are people but they're all connected to the same universal whole found beyond the Gate of Truth and that THIS is God. Truth, however, is simply how each individual "one" communicates with the "all" or God (reinforced by Father's explanation for what God is sounding an awful like like Final Fantasy VII's Lifestream or the idea of the Akashic Records). TL;DR: It's probably more correct to think of Truth as Metatron rather than God if you want to get really reductive about it.
I know what one hand clapping sounds like. To do the same follow along. Take your middle finger and ring finger and slap them on your lower palm. Think of it as like you are trying to do the Spiderman web shooting motion with your hand but in quick succession. Do you hear that sound? That's the sound of one hand clapping.
Yasss this is what I live for. Hey Linfamy idk if you knew but bunch of youtuber use your videos as base for explaining japan stuff lol mostly anime channels
@@Linfamy I’ve seen channels explaining japanese folklore using your slideshows but they did shot you out what im trying to say is you getting really popular as the default channel to go for japanese culture.
The answer is simply "if there's a way to make money off of this question about clapping, then it's useful. If not, to hell with this religion." And so you see, it is not the answer that is important, but whether or not you can make money off of the Koan.
I wonder what would those zen monks from hundreds of years ago would think of the people (scientists) who try to separate, understand and use logic to understand the universe. Could they appreciate how useful they were in increasing the standards of living of people. After a while living in today's world would they still find meditation to be the reason to live for them? Or would today's technology be to overwhelming as an antithesis of their believes
I mean it still is used, i just can thy would adapt to become selfhelp-gurus or something. That monk guy seemed interested in updating, possible he would today too. Like as selfhelp guru. But we dont know. The limits of logic still exist and people still want a connection with the universe whateve you call it.Thats why people still are religious or spiritual in that high numbers. So prsonal tip is selfhelp gurus if anything there?!
We don't need to ask them, Zen monks today think the same way and they still value meditation. I think what they would say is not that we should reject rationality, but we should recognize both rationality and intuition/emotions. After all, there are drawbacks to technology, such as increased isolation and fewer social interactions. It'd be interesting to talk to a Zen monk for sure.
@@Linfamy It depends on who you ask. My Soto Zen teacher in Japan, for example, said that the more unbelievable parts of Buddhist cosmology were 方便/upāya, “means to lead people to enlightenment.” Usually it refers to practices, but it can also refer to stories or beliefs. Is rebirth literally real or an allegory? It doesn’t matter, it helps lead people to enlightenment when they are told about it. Even in India when it was first invented, they could debunk Buddhist cosmology, with all of its realms and worlds and such, with what they knew of astronomy. The idea was that normal humans couldn’t perceive it. You could argue that it was always supposed to be an allegory. (Although I don’t think so.) This priest also once said that whether or not there are any beings listening to prayers, you should still do it since it gets your thoughts in order. Many of the Zen monks I’ve met said similar things; generally, they seem not to be concerned with what is true, but with what is helpful. This guy also had a blog.
Looking through my bills and depts: Is math even real? Honestly, you just helped me out of a problem that I recently have. I stuck somewhere and don't know what to do. But with this vid, I guess I just have to look it from another perspective and shouldn't think too rational when it seems that I'm out of options. So thanks a lot Linfamy :)
I mean, it all kind of makes sense. It's a religion, right? And, religion is for matters of the spirit, right? So, how does using specific language or certain lines of logic help with the cultivation of the spirit? They really shouldn't be able to help very much in that regard. In any case, thanks for the fun video!
I was waiting for Linfamy's body to start spiraling while he was he went deep. Then I was hoping for the backround to change to black and spiral along with him. Maybe that would have been too much.... work.
Wouldn't the sound of two hands clapping be the sound of enlightenment because that is the sound of recognizing that the two hands are the same when you bring them together?
Day and night are the same in Finland during the winter….. or was it the summer, either way point is day can be night and night be day with 24 hours of sunlight
Zen is the opposite of all binaries. That is why it is hard to know. Every time you build a "framework", a "construct" you are turning stuff into binaries. Zen is beyond this and that is why it and the Tao are hard to explain to another person. The part of the human brain that does the "thinking and feeling" has very little to do with the rest of the brain and there is evidence to suggest that it is nothing but an illusion created by the brain processing information, that the bit that you think is you is not even at all real, all the decisions that you think you make were made already in the brain not the mind. The thinking bit likes to order things. It puts one thing here and one thing there. When you meditate, if you are lucky, the "thinking and feeling" bit fades into the background.
@randomguy8196 Modern technology can be enjoyed, providing you are self aware enough, capable enough and have the capacity to use it in a way that is not harmful to your own self and others, sadly not all that use it can do such things. I feel that you have a large attachment to this marvelous technology and your response indicates that you believe I have somehow cast scorn upon the "binaries" that we create, but I urge you to rewatch the video to understand my comment. However, just for fun, let us imagine that Zen has NOT CREATED ONE THING of value, lets us presume that your statement is entirely correct. "Zen has achieved nothing of value". What has the modern technology you claim that I "enjoy" produced that has not caused harm to person, creature and/or biosphere? Which modern technology allows you complete freedom of thought and deed and gives peace of mind to those that use it, without deleterious effect to someone?.... I have spent a long time looking for the answer to that question and have yet to have found an answer... I am going to display my almost limitless arrogance now and suggest that you learn to understand the difference between a thing and its image. If you sit and think and consider it for long enough, take care to understand the principles, you may come across as less of a clueless chump. I do not know what or where Zen is, I am no sage or nun, the Tao is an enlightening mystery and everytime I read it I become more or less.....but sometimes the fool can be Queen and the person in the tower can appear to be some kind of clown. Enjoy your technology, I hope it gets you somewhere, rather than leads you to No Where...
Both of these are correct and incorrect answers. Therefore the same, different, and yet answers which are none at all. Zen irrationally suppo-enies what I just saidn't above.
@TheOnlyCathyCat Every scientist, or positivist philosopher in their right mind would acknowledge that frameworks, models, constructs and abstractions don't capture the reality, but merely serve as tools to explain and understand, to a certain utility and degree, some parts or aspects of the universe, and that the gap from the "objective" to the "subjective" - to the phenomenal world of the mind - is probably impossible to bridge. (A practitioner of "continental philosophy" would say likewise about bridging the gap to the opposite direction). But at the end of the day, these endeavors are still worthwile and, I'd dare say, enlightening in their own way. By making constructs and frameworks we by necessity become aware that by design they come with limitations, as does all conceptual thinking in general. About the bit "all the decisions that you think you make were made already in the brain not the mind": Can we even tell if the brain isn't just the same as the mind? For if they are, your sentence is not even meaningful.
"and now, let me take you by the hand and guide you to the climax" - Linfamy, on Zen Buddhism. Phrasing makes all the difference but so does immaturity I suppose.
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Nah it’s ok
It is great !! 😀
Its good.
And whats a youtube comment without a purpose?
Ok most comments XD
"Yo, idk wtf you just said little kid but you special. You reached right in and took it by the heart," tracy Morgan to Jay and Bob. You sound like you're down with experienced zen circles. I think my shin buddhist crew is much cooler but let me see if I can rap with you guys.
Right before I turned 16, I found taoism much cooler than buddhism and christianity. Visiting my grandma at the old family house, I had the experience of what absolute was. Absolute light and absolute darkness. Though absolutely opposite, the ability to grasp this put me on an undoubtedly enlightened level. Later, I walked into the desert and so many types of wild animals came up to me, I guess from my peaceful oneness with everything.
My mind was blown but later my grandma was so happy that I was happy though she just listened to me speak. But I talked to my dad and I finally understood his hippie talks all these years. Even though we had different words and experiences we were in perfect agreement and absolutely understood each other.
In essence, the world is full of idiots so don't hang out with them. When one is sincere it empties the mind of thoughts of suffering and is one with the eternally perfect mind. Then you know how to use the things on earth to the way buddha intended since he created everything: to create limitless joy. I really had a friend named zen and we'd get our bisexual girlfriends together and everyone was happy. And zens neighbors name was koan. I mean really, seeing lesbians happy together, absolute perfection.
Plz meditate on doing an origin for Nichiren sect!
Buddhist teacher: "What is the sound of one hand clapping?"
Me: *Slaps the buddhist teacher across the face*
Buddhist teacher: "Acceptable"
That's what my son said.
I thought it was the other way around since I watched this other video; the link is below:
th-cam.com/video/dMbnfxwus0s/w-d-xo.html
I too was thinking about slapping
Buddha: You tried too hard, go back to the start.
Savage
A story that stuck with me was of a Zen student asking his teacher if dogs can achieve enlightenment, and the Zen master responds by barking. Totally pointless, but it's always been in the back of my mind.
Sounds like a parody 😂
Well if there is no you and I there is no dog and human either. So the answer is pretty interesting
Zen master "Woof woof B*()h".
Mu
the answer is mu
Zen is the ultimate “I’m rubber you’re glue” religion. You could be trying to make fun of it and its practitioners will be like “yes that might be dumb, but isn’t that awesome as well?”
When you put it like that, it makes me wonder if that's how a person can, in an oh so un-Zen way, tell the difference between a kid using it to be all more-enlightened-than-yall (me in my teens), and people who actually try to internalize Zen properly (definitely not me).
@@LunDruid As a fairly experienced Zen practitioner, you think you're on a journey, google sutras for a few years and give up, then realize that you aren't going anywhere, just stripping away the illusions that reality is made of
Reminds me of the king of hill bit when hank threatens to kick a Buddhist monks ass because of Bobby, he responded, "if my ass is to be kicked, it is to be kicked" 😭😭
When I once jokingly asked my kids (8-11 at that time) what's the sound of one hand clapping, they simultaneously slapped one hand against their foreheads.
I was so proud of them! 🥲
🥲 I suggest keeping those kids
I do this too.before the video get to story
Last time I was this early, Lin always give me a heart
Okay fine
Tricksy hobbitses
@@Linfamy ahahahah thank you Linfamy🥰😍🥺
Lin is a good TH-cam daddy.
So Taoism is basically binary maths with it's duality and all, while Zen Buddhism is basically Quantum physics?
I guess
what sound does the atoms make when they clap each other? lets ask shoedingger the enlighted one
Well Taoism actually is pretty non-dualistic as well, in fact Zen was heavily influenced by Taoism during its development
Tao is the underlying theory of quantum mechanics. Zen makes it work for quantum computing, of a sort (that sort being human existence)
@@Lazurath101 na, read Mula Madhyamaka karika you will know.
This is probably the best video on zen on TH-cam outside of commentary by monks.
I don't even like the monks. Lin is almost as cool as the beautiful, Japanese, female teacher I used to study with. He's almost as cool, obviously because he's a guy but cooler than every zen monk I met.
What the hell are they doing on TH-cam anyway?
Shouldn't they be off meditating and eschewing a life of material pleasures?
Those slackers need to get back to work.
@@bigfotpeesonyoutube9647 I don't wanna talk smack but many are like the Japanese monks described in linfamy's other videos.
This is the Best Short Video Explanation of Zen that I have seen in the last 32 years of meditating and studying Zen Buddhism. Outstanding Explanation. Simply beautiful.
*bows deeply
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“They hated logic” so does my dad whenever we fuckin’ argue
@Barbie Blues Probably not. His name is „Graceworth“, yours „Blues“. :D
My dad loved logic and taught me to always be logical. So he hated it when I grew up and gave a logical argument in a fight that he couldn't counter😂😂😂
@atheist militant naahh he was agnostic
@@shivanichoubey22 yooooo!
thats brutal
7:00 "day cannot exist without night. They are one"
I am so damn sure I suspect Zen has something deriving from Taoism
Many different philosophies
eligions end up pointing towards non-dualism. It may not be deriving so much as just parallel construction. If someone gets deep enough into philosophical thought to start questioning duality and the relationship between seeming opposites, nondualism is right around the corner.
Yo, that's what I'm saying. There's only one eternal mind and enlightened masters teach that but in different languages and cultures obviously. The masters are super best friends and only like perfect harmony. What's the point of chaos?
Yes, Chan did.
Zen actually was inspired from Taoism I beleive
That's the fun thing about East Asian religions and philosophies- they intermingled with each other so much that in many cases it's impossible to tell where exactly a specific idea came from. Even individual people to this day have ideas and beliefs that tend to span a variety of different religious systems (most famously, the overlap between Buddhism and Shinto in Japan). Not that religion is necessarily ambiguous in Asia, but it certainly is fluid.
It's clear that you did your research on Zen, including taking that inner journey & entering the gate-less gate. Congratulations. Keep up the meditation. Enlightenment is a process.
See, this just makes me think even more that half of Fullmetal Alchemist's magic system is just Zen Buddhism.
Okay but that mushroom trip was literally like taking mushrooms and saying "duuuuude" and understanding the mysteries of the universe.
Lol, sounds like my early 20s
The sound of one hand clapping is “cl”. The other hand makes the “ap”.
Clapple
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Just found it a funny word
Zen sure likes making things easy, yet hard at the same time. All one has to do is try to become like an extinguished candle.
do zen buddhists consider dimwits to be more enlightened?
@@Ass_of_Amalek do they consider animals closer to enlightenment? You need intelligence to know the limits that rationality offers and where spiritualism can bridge the void to the divine.
Kills myself*
Finally early to one of these, I love waiting for these ❤️
Fast fingers
Dogen didn't say screw old Buddhsim, Dogen was old Buddhism. Soto, or Cao Dong in Chinese, placed all the emphasis on seated meditation, like Sakyamuni. He was pretty opinionated about things, but he also was a T'ien T'ai monastic, and studied under a Rinzai teacher. The form and look of Buddhism changed over the centuries, but Dogen's school stuck true to the form of practice of Sakyamuni's dharma; sitting there in pain until you become a giant know'it'all.
Sounds like a great life for an introvert.
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My answer :
A senior and novice monk were traveling through the countryside when they came upon a river. The river was swollen making it very difficult to pass. Standing at the edge of the river was a lovely, young woman in elegant clothes unsure of how to get across. She asked the monks for help.
The monks had taken a vow of celibacy that prevented them from making eye contact with women, much less touching them. But after barely a pause, the senior monk picked up the woman and carried her across.
The novice monk was shocked and speechless. His elder had broken his vows! As the monks continued their journey hours passed and no one spoke until the younger monk could no longer contain himself.
“How could you carry that woman across the river when we aren’t even supposed to look at women?” he blurted out in frustration.
The senior monk replied, “I set that woman down hours ago. Why are you still carrying her?”
A great truth! So many do this!
I've always loved this story. There are multiple priorities it addresses, although celibacy in mind is the most obvious.
Always wondered A LOT about this. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
I actually got to take Buddhism Philosophy as a class in college. I distinctly remember the section Zen b/c it was one long WTF. Ex. You see cow who's tail is trapped in a hole in a window from where it had jumped through.
Did someone close the window before the cow's tail was able to go through?
@@leiladekwatro3147 yes! I apologize as it has been years so I didn't remember the exact phrase
You didn't have to become a Zen buddhist priest, Linfamy!
See how serious I take this? :p
So is Zen sort of the understanding that all things flow into each other as a gradient, and distinct boxes can be detrimental in understanding that gradient and the individual points on it without a warped perspective? I feel like I really got it but really didn't... but maybe that's intended?
+1 for the Zen trap
Perception is distortion.
May I suggest a nice vinaigrette?
In order for one know the answer., one has to.experience it.. So you have to experience it son..
@@wickedcabinboy Ooh yes please!
Kinda, yeah. In part. It's something they picked up from the Avatamsaka school and the school that was founded around it, Huayen
As a particle physicist, I am shocked by how familiar this Zen philosophy sounds to the actual truth of the matter. When this idea was clearly conceived much earlier than when we could actually prove that living creatures are essentially just density fluctuations in the Universe itself. With a sea of matter and energy entering and leaving the organism, while maintaining relatively the same form.
Zen Buddhism therefore, I think is compatible with Christianity not in its deities but it's practice. However, you are to not praise the universe as it is an object of God, but to appreciate God for making you both apart from it and having your own spirit.
I was actually discussing eastern religion with a great Bible scholar, TH-cam channel is Ancient Egypt and The Bible, regarding things like this and Shinto. We can't thank or glorify hypothetical nature Spirits that could possibly exist but aren't mentioned in the Bible that govern sacred space so I'm trying to figure out what we can do, but I'm deeply in love with Eastern religion, Christianity and modern science since I think they enhance each other, barring the incompatible concepts that I firmly believe are distortions or misunderstandings of the truth.
The world god created is beautiful, and I love Japan, China, Tibet, Korea, Burma,Laos, Thailand , Cambodia, Manchuria, and Vietnam a lot culturally.
I hope you appreciate my comment! 😊
When monks teach philosophy: I sleep
When Linfamy teaches philosophy: I m genius, I m now enlightened
Just here to say I appreciate you including your sources in the description
I'm watching this at nearly 1AM and need to go to bed as I have work in the morning. But if sleep and wakefulness are supposed to be the same, but separate, what IS sleep? Does it really exist? How can I understand sleep when I'm not awake to experience it? And when I awake, the notion of having slept quickly fades away, like a dream. I feel more rested, yes, but that is after the fact of having slept, not during it.
I must go meditate on this. Thank you, Linfamy-sensei, for enlightening me 🙇🏾♀️
"Now I do not know whether I was then a man dreaming I was a butterfly, or whether I am now a butterfly, dreaming I am a man."
If you are thinking this deep into it , the answer is you need sleep.
@@atimidbirb Lol! I've not rewatched this video, but I'm going to assume my comment from two years ago was mimicking the way the creator spoke in it.
I've hit enlightenment a few times in my life (actually sought it out through study & meditation, decided to remain worldly after the first time.) The *second* time I hit enlightenment, it was over the following "koan": "Why did the chicken cross the road?" ...I realized the answer lay IN the answer: "To get to the other side!" (Most everyone else just doesn't get it, but that's okay.)
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You could write an essay about the scent of your own farts.
Thanks for the enlightenment.
I think I've told you, right, about the Zen abbot in my city who told me he once contracted beriberi from eating too much white rice and not enough of anything else during his 20-year long stay at Eihei-Ji. These Zen monks are hardcore.
The full version of the clapping koan is, at least for my linguistic-logical mind, more difficult to "bypass" than the mere "what is the sound of one hand clapping". In the truncated version one can immediately point out that the way the word "clapping" is used, we always expect two hands or other objects, like two arguments for a function that demands two. One way to go about is would be that "one hand clapping" is something undefined; it could be anything that I define it to be. Or, as in functional programming, in which we do write well-defined analogous sentences like this when currying functions, the evaluation being just another well-defined sentence or function. (But when doing that we don't step outside the confines of language, so that's no answer to a koan ☺)
Now if we start by first saying "two hands clap...", and what's more, ask for a demonstration of the sound of one hand ("don't answer me, show!" like in the version that I once read) we really glue ourselves into a paradox with no trivial way out - not without some inner change in the mind; acknowledging and breaking the limits of language and conceptual thought. Which, by design, language itself cannot achieve as if bootstrapping itself outside its domain. Learning about the koan must therefore include some amount of direct subjective experience that cannot be worded. Even my "meta-explanation" of the problem, itself consisting of words, is in that way also futile. Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent - but I'd imagine that for a practitioner of Zen that's precisely the starting point. (If you are one and consider my saying any of this as missing the point or even nonsensical, feel free to say so; I would be delighted.)
Will not mind if you make more buddhism philosophy videos. Well done with this one
Wouldn’t telling someone the answer be a form of them experiencing the answer?
Would getting whacked on the head by a monk be the same as him telling you he was going to whack you on the head?
Is whacking and not whacking one and the same?
@@Linfamy Is begging for alms and not begging the same, is eating and not... no, seriously, monks understand the difference between study and work. Tapping a sitting monk on the head means, 1) The monk is falling asleep, which can happen. 2) The monk has sloppy posture - you want to sit properly if you're going to sit in lotus for hours and hours. 3) The monk is *almost* at the point of understanding a koan or experiencing kensho (brief glimpse of enlightenment). A quick rap on the noggin will often push the monk over the finish line. Archimedes hopped into a bath to relax before he shouted Eureka. A monk often needs a little tap to make that jump from "I" don't get it" to "Owww.... now I see".
No, because the understanding communicated would not be the student's, it would be the teller's. The student would not be able to understand the answer without experiencing it themselves.
@@Linfamy you can stop just before you hit them and make them flinched, giving them a moment of almost being whacked. Then you punch them twice for flinching (something we did in grade school) In a way that can be seen as telling someone your going to hit them without hitting them. Instead of verbal communication it’s more action based.
I think a better way of explaining it would be like telling someone a plot to a story driven video game who hasn’t played it. Our experience would be different but in the end the information about the topic is being transferred from one person to another.
Also hey man love your vids, and you commenting on my comment made my day.
Oh my, I love this channel so much.
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At 3:19 there is an image of Guru Rinpoche. Very important in Tibetan Buddhism. Not so much in Japan hehe
Was about to comment this myself
Bart had the best answer.
Bart is pretty smart.
I already unintentionally have stumbled into some of the basic concepts of Zen Buddhism on my own meditations (though of course influenced by outside sources that were no doubt influenced in turn by Zen Buddhism). So hearing you explain it made perfect sense to me.
Hi Linfamy! How are you doing? It's Saturday night in the US, so have a fun Saturday night! ❤️
You too :D
This is my favorite episode. This is the best you've ever fucking made.
The only way to truly understand enlightenment is by taking 5 hits of shrooms.
True.
Then reading atomic physics books, apparently 😅
I saw a Zen video in my recommendations and I was like Hmmm interesting.
Then I looked on the channel and it was Linfamy! And then I creamed my pants!
I thought it was going to be AWESOME!
And you didn't let me down one bit ^w^
I LOOOOOOOOVE your videos and these ones about buddhism are really great! I like buddhism and I try to research about the schools but it's really nice to see the outside view and the gossip history bits that no monk would tell ;3
Sorry I dirtied your pants :p
Amazingly explained... Now I have something new to talk about on the dinner table 😂
Love your video.
Love your comment.
One hand clapping is when Artorias, who only has one working arm, claps your cheeks for the 40th time
artorias from dark souls?
I totally dig d Simpson's tackling about Budhism.. That's 1 of the reasons why I love them. Compare to other cartoons of their generation., they are a lot more insightful.. I always go back to that episode when Liza was teaching Bart how to focus so he can beat Tod.. . Who would have thought that she could talk Bart into meditation?.. That was so Zen..
Yeah. Kinda funny how Lisa was kind of a buddhist in S2 before acually becoming one in S13.
You’re so informative and fresh with good humour! ❤️
thanks for the trip s2
Master: "what is the sound of one hand clapping?"
Student: removes pants and offers ass cheek
Master: "A+. Extra curriculum time."
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS FINALLY SOME REPRESENTATIVITY
This reminds me of Fullmetal Alchemist's arc words "One is all all is one" and how trippy the concept gets when you add the question of "What is Truth?" to the mix since Truth tells Father "I am one and I am all".
Naturally the popular theory is that Truth is God (in part because it explicitly tells Father such), but that always felt a bit too simplistic to me (Particularly of all the other things it called itself). What I'd always found interesting was the idea that, as oppose to the English version which has Truth voiced by one voice actress (Luci Christian), Truth was voiced by whomever was addressing it in the Japanese version. If Edward was speaking with Truth then Truth sounded like Edward and if Alphonse spoke with Truth then Truth sounded like Alphonse. To me this communicates that there is no singular entity called "Truth" and that there are as many Truths as there are people but they're all connected to the same universal whole found beyond the Gate of Truth and that THIS is God. Truth, however, is simply how each individual "one" communicates with the "all" or God (reinforced by Father's explanation for what God is sounding an awful like like Final Fantasy VII's Lifestream or the idea of the Akashic Records).
TL;DR: It's probably more correct to think of Truth as Metatron rather than God if you want to get really reductive about it.
I follow the Cole Porter School of Buddhism - " Night and day, you are the One..."
Yay new vid
Yay
What is the sound of one hand clapping?
TH-cam: please confirm your age
Your writing is pure genius. New and hot and filled with the latest tho(ugh)ts
Very interesting, great video!
Btw
Love your videos Linfamy
5:30 Most exquisite rhyming by Linfamy!
Suppp early for this upload nice. Morning starts with your video nd japanese history
I know what one hand clapping sounds like. To do the same follow along.
Take your middle finger and ring finger and slap them on your lower palm. Think of it as like you are trying to do the Spiderman web shooting motion with your hand but in quick succession. Do you hear that sound? That's the sound of one hand clapping.
You are good at guiding people to....knowledge.
This is the best video to put 4AM on a party full of drunked nerds, i'm drunk, i'm a nerd. I just need my other nerd friends to come and get drunk
hi I am nicheren buddhist. I can't wait for the next video on nicheren Buddhism.😁
I think my family is Zen too, my mom helped my father, whom I’m now assuming was, meditate when I was a kid.
Linfamy, your zen is very jouzu.
Lol
I am here just to hear your comments, you really make my day
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That analogy was really good.
It made me jitter.
Which one
@@Linfamy Day-Night example to the state of the universe.
Great video! A little deep thought never killed anyone :)
Yasss this is what I live for. Hey Linfamy idk if you knew but bunch of youtuber use your videos as base for explaining japan stuff lol mostly anime channels
Lol what do you mean?
@@Linfamy I’ve seen channels explaining japanese folklore using your slideshows but they did shot you out what im trying to say is you getting really popular as the default channel to go for japanese culture.
The answer is simply "if there's a way to make money off of this question about clapping, then it's useful.
If not, to hell with this religion."
And so you see, it is not the answer that is important, but whether or not you can make money off of the Koan.
nice i got here before 500 veiws
Bravo! That is brilliant!
Wonderful absolutely wonderful.
Lin pog :)
This whole time I thought I was just extremely contrarian but it turns out I’m just a Zen monk
The messages appear on my laptop naturally for years. So I get used to following it to study and share the messages with the messenger and publisher.
DO NOT WATCH THIS WHILE HIGH, I THINK I TOUCHED ENLIGHTENMENT FOR A SEC
I wonder what would those zen monks from hundreds of years ago would think of the people (scientists) who try to separate, understand and use logic to understand the universe. Could they appreciate how useful they were in increasing the standards of living of people. After a while living in today's world would they still find meditation to be the reason to live for them? Or would today's technology be to overwhelming as an antithesis of their believes
I mean it still is used, i just can thy would adapt to become selfhelp-gurus or something. That monk guy seemed interested in updating, possible he would today too. Like as selfhelp guru. But we dont know.
The limits of logic still exist and people still want a connection with the universe whateve you call it.Thats why people still are religious or spiritual in that high numbers.
So prsonal tip is selfhelp gurus if anything there?!
We don't need to ask them, Zen monks today think the same way and they still value meditation. I think what they would say is not that we should reject rationality, but we should recognize both rationality and intuition/emotions.
After all, there are drawbacks to technology, such as increased isolation and fewer social interactions.
It'd be interesting to talk to a Zen monk for sure.
@@Linfamy It depends on who you ask. My Soto Zen teacher in Japan, for example, said that the more unbelievable parts of Buddhist cosmology were 方便/upāya, “means to lead people to enlightenment.” Usually it refers to practices, but it can also refer to stories or beliefs. Is rebirth literally real or an allegory? It doesn’t matter, it helps lead people to enlightenment when they are told about it.
Even in India when it was first invented, they could debunk Buddhist cosmology, with all of its realms and worlds and such, with what they knew of astronomy. The idea was that normal humans couldn’t perceive it. You could argue that it was always supposed to be an allegory. (Although I don’t think so.)
This priest also once said that whether or not there are any beings listening to prayers, you should still do it since it gets your thoughts in order. Many of the Zen monks I’ve met said similar things; generally, they seem not to be concerned with what is true, but with what is helpful.
This guy also had a blog.
Looking through my bills and depts: Is math even real?
Honestly, you just helped me out of a problem that I recently have. I stuck somewhere and don't know what to do. But with this vid, I guess I just have to look it from another perspective and shouldn't think too rational when it seems that I'm out of options. So thanks a lot Linfamy :)
Really? That's wonderful! Good luck with resolving your problem
@@Linfamy Thanks!
Nicely done.
I mean, it all kind of makes sense. It's a religion, right? And, religion is for matters of the spirit, right? So, how does using specific language or certain lines of logic help with the cultivation of the spirit? They really shouldn't be able to help very much in that regard. In any case, thanks for the fun video!
Thank You for your funny, informative and wonderful videos!
Glad you like them!
“Apparently my dad was a Zen monk.”
I am DEAD, sir
Can you make a more detailed vídeo about zen Buddhism beliefs and history?
"take my hand and let me guide you to the climax."
Uh, okay.
I was like "mmm nahhhhhhhh XD"
I was waiting for Linfamy's body to start spiraling while he was he went deep. Then I was hoping for the backround to change to black and spiral along with him.
Maybe that would have been too much....
work.
This started sounding like a vsauce video
Nice, I'm a zen fan. Thanks!
Wouldn't the sound of two hands clapping be the sound of enlightenment because that is the sound of recognizing that the two hands are the same when you bring them together?
😮 I believe you've reached enlightenment
"For the last time, we don't want solar panels." xD
Very good explanation. Explained very profound and easily understood simultaneously. And funny…..I guess
“now. get ready, take my hand, and let me guide you to the climax.” *ad starts*
if you're early clap your hand
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I think the whole idea of the KOANS is just to humiliate the student the same way the teacher was humiliated.
"was appaled,he HATED...political games.." floored me 🤣
Day and night are the same in Finland during the winter….. or was it the summer, either way point is day can be night and night be day with 24 hours of sunlight
The song “particle man” explains this whole Buddhism concept of unity to a polka tune.
"What is the sound of one hand clapping?"
*Slaps the dude in the face*
"That was enlightening, my disciple."
Zen is the opposite of all binaries. That is why it is hard to know. Every time you build a "framework", a "construct" you are turning stuff into binaries. Zen is beyond this and that is why it and the Tao are hard to explain to another person. The part of the human brain that does the "thinking and feeling" has very little to do with the rest of the brain and there is evidence to suggest that it is nothing but an illusion created by the brain processing information, that the bit that you think is you is not even at all real, all the decisions that you think you make were made already in the brain not the mind.
The thinking bit likes to order things. It puts one thing here and one thing there. When you meditate, if you are lucky, the "thinking and feeling" bit fades into the background.
@randomguy8196 Modern technology can be enjoyed, providing you are self aware enough, capable enough and have the capacity to use it in a way that is not harmful to your own self and others, sadly not all that use it can do such things.
I feel that you have a large attachment to this marvelous technology and your response indicates that you believe I have somehow cast scorn upon the "binaries" that we create, but I urge you to rewatch the video to understand my comment.
However, just for fun, let us imagine that Zen has NOT CREATED ONE THING of value, lets us presume that your statement is entirely correct. "Zen has achieved nothing of value". What has the modern technology you claim that I "enjoy" produced that has not caused harm to person, creature and/or biosphere? Which modern technology allows you complete freedom of thought and deed and gives peace of mind to those that use it, without deleterious effect to someone?....
I have spent a long time looking for the answer to that question and have yet to have found an answer...
I am going to display my almost limitless arrogance now and suggest that you learn to understand the difference between a thing and its image. If you sit and think and consider it for long enough, take care to understand the principles, you may come across as less of a clueless chump.
I do not know what or where Zen is, I am no sage or nun, the Tao is an enlightening mystery and everytime I read it I become more or less.....but sometimes the fool can be Queen and the person in the tower can appear to be some kind of clown.
Enjoy your technology, I hope it gets you somewhere, rather than leads you to No Where...
Both of these are correct and incorrect answers. Therefore the same, different, and yet answers which are none at all. Zen irrationally suppo-enies what I just saidn't above.
@TheOnlyCathyCat Every scientist, or positivist philosopher in their right mind would acknowledge that frameworks, models, constructs and abstractions don't capture the reality, but merely serve as tools to explain and understand, to a certain utility and degree, some parts or aspects of the universe, and that the gap from the "objective" to the "subjective" - to the phenomenal world of the mind - is probably impossible to bridge. (A practitioner of "continental philosophy" would say likewise about bridging the gap to the opposite direction). But at the end of the day, these endeavors are still worthwile and, I'd dare say, enlightening in their own way. By making constructs and frameworks we by necessity become aware that by design they come with limitations, as does all conceptual thinking in general.
About the bit "all the decisions that you think you make were made already in the brain not the mind": Can we even tell if the brain isn't just the same as the mind? For if they are, your sentence is not even meaningful.
"and now, let me take you by the hand and guide you to the climax" - Linfamy, on Zen Buddhism.
Phrasing makes all the difference but so does immaturity I suppose.
Zen is a Tamizh word meaning Pure Truth ஃசன்(சென்) brought by the Bodhi Taruman of the Tamizh Tantric Samana tradition...
The sound of one hand: snap