Don't mind me, I'm just coming back here every time my hopes randomly go up.
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You have no idea how often I come back here, after defeat and defeat. Only to realize the same everytime. We don't wanna realize it, but that's how it is.
Legit, out of every quote from every anime I've ever watched, this one has stuck with me. I feel like the meaning behind the words is so much heavier than what it looks like on the surface.
Anime are best known for their "study" . Every facts you see in anime, it's likely true because theyve done study. And probably the same with this hachiman. They probably asked lots of "loner" to know their feelings before made this anime. That's why it stuck in your head because it's true and most relatable.
@@Bubbalove007 I am 70% hachiman. I used to hate my past because I'm always the last in everyone choice, always try to fit in any group, seek for attention. But now, just like hachiman I really don't care about fame, friends or any useless thing like that. I become 100% loner and proud of that just like hachiman rn. Thanks to my past, I now can judge people better and become more mature. So, I really can understand hachiman feelings and why he become like that. And, hachiman qoute about "I hate nice girl" it really hit me hard cause that's me in the past. Always make stupid grin if a girl chat or talk to me. But fortunately I've open my eyes.
Well I think I get Hachiman's point. There's story I am willing to shared, in the past maybe I'll embarrassed my self, but now it is only acceptance. I was a loner back in Highschool, sure I have friends, but never too close to share stories. Then this girl appeared of nowhere. I and this girl didn't share the same class during 10th grade and 11st grade. We know each other because we shared the same class in our last year of the school. It's just a rumor, I know that this girl just got broken up with her boyfriend in 11st grade, I don't know why, but at first I thought she just when her way to exchange pointer, like sharing results of our exams, teaching each other about subject we are weak for. I dare to call myself the strongest and smartest in entire grade if it come to Math, and so is she in Chemistry. We exchange pointer, learn from each other, compare our work to each other, even go to the same tuition center after school together, and join local science olympics together for our strongest subject. Day by day, months by months, we spend time together, not for entertainment like go to watch movie or special dates, just only pure business like studying together. This shared moments, lasting until the first semester of our 12nd grade. My feeling to her then begin to grow, so is my hope, delusions, and dream. At some point, I talked to myself, I don't want this to end after we graduate. Then it came without warning. Her ex want to connect with her again. She accepted. In the end, it's only me and my broken hearts. Now, it's only me and my job, never lucky enough to encounter my fated ones, even in college. Thank you for reading my sad story, don't worry, I am happy right now with my life.
yeah, you're a nerd, just like me, your sad story will go on with more and more until the day you feel too tired to be sad, in which the moment you give up on hoping
Man I remember watching this when I was in HS and heavily related to Hachiman. I even started to admire him back then and marched forward to the loners path. After HS I tried to turn over a new leaf and start trying to be positive along with working on myself because I was so close to just becoming a shut in and just rot away. Forced myself to work at a Starbucks to improve my social skills and hell I even met my 1st real best friend. However my love life remained stagnant I looked much better than before and became known as a extremely positive person and hard working. Always commended for staying up beat despite the fact I later started working at a Walmart warehouse and continued to work at Starbucks. Things seemed like they were changing for the better and yeah I guess they were but romance is still something I could not achieve. I still got rejected by the girl I had known for 5yrs. That ended in 2019 I’m 27 fucken years old now and here I am again…. I had been striving to get passed this, clinging on to hope that things would be different. Finally accepting it wasn’t meant to be and met someone new almost 2 years ago only to end up back here. The later seasons along with other anime dealing with characters like Hachiman really helped me push through and try to improve myself believing I’ll finally experience a genuine romantic relationship. I’m so tired of yearning I honestly don’t know what to do anymore. Even after all the effort I’ve spent to grow it still feels like nothing about me has changed. I feel like just giving up and becoming the shut in NEET I fought so hard to avoid becoming. I have zero energy left but the only reason I won’t do any of that is because of my pets who depend on me. I guess my mistake was trying to change and grow for others and not myself. I don’t know man I hope anyone who reads this doesn’t make my mistake. Grow for yourself not for others. Trauma dump to the void is over I’ll stfu now lmao
Growing for others isn’t the way. You create an expectation that might not manifest. Don’t set yourself up for disappointment. Growing for yourself is when you truly ascend. Do it for your own sake and to find happiness within.
We relate to Hachiman in the worst way. Please don't treat this as the absolute truth... People will fucking hurt us, some treat us like trash, but that doesn't mean there will never be someone we can share our burdens with, someone who can take the worst of ourselves. That someone might me a friend or a lover. As my favorite fictional teacher says, "Think, writhe, struggle." We can be better, but if we can't learn to be honest with ourselves, or to be vulnerable to the people we want to spend our lives with, how can we ever move forward? If Hachiman can do it, so should we. You're fine, don't give up. We'll be fine...
Indeed. It's sad that people look to Hachiman as some preacher of truth when they really don't understand that its a declaration of despair and feelings of hopelessness in ever finding happiness. The show is saying "yeah we may be a Hachiman at one point in our lives, but don't try to stay in that state forever. It's unhealthy. Change for the better and learn to accept life as it is."
Hachiman had yukino and yui, a lot of us will never have anyone by our side besides our parents, some won't even have that, so we have to adapt being alone
*I would always hold expectations.* *I would always misunderstand.* *At some point, I stopped hoping.* Never realized how deep this words is until one of my very good female friends suddenly said to me she got a boyfriend and want me to stop contacting her. And the most surprised part is, I dont feel anything, because deep down I already stopped hoping and my brain too tired to care about all this relationship crap
been there done that. when you stop caring means you can focus on yourself and what you want in life. it may sting but with time it will heal and in the next relationship you would enter youll have more confidence.
People after hearing/reading this quote often misunderstand and misuse it to start despising girls for this reason. Let me elaborate this for u people. People take his words in a literal way, when he says he hates nice girls its not because he hates their existence or despises them from within. He hates them just because how these girls make him feel when they be nice to him. He hates that feeling that a guy gets when a nice girls talk to him and be kind to him. Because of this he starts to hope for more interaction and it awakens his inner desire to want to feel that emotions and love, which he has sorted out and patched it up over the years. Because he knows what'll happen again if he starts to persue those desires. And that makes him more angry. People need to understand the motive behind these words. Nice Girls are always going to be kind to u, it's just how they're raised to be. And don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with that, it's just there's a part within me aswell that hopes that all girls need to stop being too kind. It's just a lie in the end, coz it means nothing.
I think he hate that girls use kindness like a manipulation strategy and now he is already a lonely man who learn to see a pattern in the conduct of this type of girls.
The problem is that action of protecting others, while sacrificing yourself, done too many times will become a habit. And that's not healthy at any level.
I hate nice girls. Just exchanging pleasantries with them makes me curious, and texting each other makes me feel restless. If I get a call, for the rest of the day, I'll keep checking my call history with a stupid grin on my face. But I know the truth, They're just being nice. Anyone nice to me is nice to others too. But I always find myself on the verge of forgetting that. If the truth is a cruel mistress, then a lie must be a nice girl. And so, niceness is a lie. I would always hold expectation. I would always mistunderstand. At some point, I stopped hoping. An experienced loner never falls for the same trap twice. A lone warrior, surviving hundreds of battles. When it comes to losing, I'm the strongest. That's why, no matter what happens, I will always hate nice girls.
The day I realised my Message are just being read through Notifications and will be ignored to avoid Blue tick in WhatsApp .. that day was just the last day when I had talked with any Girl.
He's afraid of mistaking thier niceness for something else entirely which is actually not there, it's a habit of sorts of unpopular guys who don't get much attention from girls.
He exactly means nice girls are liars. They put on an act (which is a lie) and try to be nice to people, giving mix signals just so they can be called "nice", or for attention. That's why they are liars. When a nice girl texts him, they placed a bait on him, but they aren't really interested in him. He's saying why does nice girls text me, and give me false hopes and lies?
@HESKEYXX I felt super sad regarding Yui, but it was her choice. She wanted to keep being friends with both 8man and Yukino, the only way of doing that was to let go and goddammit do I hate it :(
Poor Hachiman just wants someone who only likes him, but like in a real way. He doesn't have his parents home and only interacts with his sister a few times. If he really wanted to leave the club, he could just threaten the teacher with saying he would sue her and leave the club. He wanted to get the attention of someone who woulf be loyal to him through his whole life. Now that I look back and realise this, Hachiman really has a sad backstory
This is how I see it, Oregaru is a story of change. Hachiman's character develops a lot from the beginning of the story, and from the very start he was bound to change his rotten perspective in life, that is why Sensei put him in the service club to begin with (I think she saw her past self in Hikigaya thus wanted to help him, but that's another theory). My point is, if you relate to some aspect of Hachiman that is fine, but if you still agree with him (his past perspective) you may have some growing up to do. Hachiman looked down on others, he thought of them as inferior in their way of life, but even more twisted is how this was a lie he fabricated to cover up the actual truth, he looked down on himself. He convinces himself that his philosophy is the right path and being a loner is the absolute way of life, when in reality he just wants to fit in but hides it behind his loner façade with self deprecating humor. The way he helps others is by worsening his image, he wants others to hate him the way he hates himself. I don't think that it is a good way of living your life. I grew up watching Hachiman (heck, that's seven fucking years), and my view grew with his. I cant say this is THE interpretation of his whole character, but that's the way I interpret it now. If you were to ask the me in freshman year of highschool what I thought of Hachiman Hikigaya, I would have replied with a "Deep" "he is a real one" "woke" as back then I was in total agreement with his perspective. Now, all I see is a teenager struggling to fit in and lying to himself on what it means to be happy, while hiding what he truly wants. "When it comes to losing, I'm the strongest" if that isn't a portrait of self deprecation, i dont know what is
I partially agree with this statement. However, I also partially disagree. Hiki has shown character development throughout the series where he first starts as a self-deprecated character, and later learns to open up. But I personally still agree with the statement "If truth is cruel, then lying must be kind. Thats why kindness is a lie." Hiki is self deprecated and looks down on himself because he is scared to face the cruel truth. The truth is always cruel because reality is cruel. Life is cruel. There is never an instance where one is always happy throughout their lives, and if there is, they are lying to themselves. Humans are born cruel, we are only kind because we have hidden motives, whether you want to admit it or not. Even genuinely complementing someone as simple as saying "you look pretty in that outfit" is only done to be liked, or to make someone else feel better about themselves. This is not a genuine act because its full of pity or arrogance and self-advancement. Therefore kindness is a lie. A lie to yourself, and others. But we still are kind, because we are not being truthful. There is still inequality and racism in the world because humans were not born as equals, and we will never be. Thats just the truth, if no humans were born the same (financially, family, religion, health...). Thats what makes us unique afterall. We are filled with self-pride, and will do anything to bring others down just to bring ourselves up. Its human nature. Those who deny this fact, and still believe in equality, are just being kind to those who are less fortunate (like myself). But how can we ever move past this if we keep lying to ourselves? If we keep believing that life is fair? We will just be stuck in lies of deceptive fantasy. The truth is cruel because it is reality. Lying is kind because it acts as a barrier so we dont have to face reality. And kindness is a lie, because it is never genuine.
Hachiman obviously has flaws, in terms of dealing with the problems he is facing. However, what he has explained about life is not wrong, in most cases. The author obviously reads a lot because I've seen contexts of existentialism, mimesis, and even largely nihilism. This, for example, about lie being fake reminds me of how Plato explains how all things are imitations of something genuine and thus, are all fake. And hachiman is actually really observant in this quote. What he says is actually true, because teens care a lot about their image and attention, so a lot of them put on an act. Adults think they grew out of it, but no, ur surrounding changed and ur hormones don't crave for attention as much anymore. U r not surrounded by teens anymore and only the genuinely kind ones remain. Hachiman didn't contradict this because the show introduced that popular guy in his class(the blonde hair one). Only he saw his real face. Because he knows it's no use putting up the nice guy act in front of him.
@@wit4witcher What, the point of Hachiman's character and speeches early on is that he *is* wrong. He's not 100% wrong, there are some grains of truth, but ultimately his view of the world was perverted by his past which lead him to interpret reality in a fundamentally mistaken manner. At the start of the show he saw himself as some how fundamentally different from "normal" or "popular" kids... and he acted as if the social situations they put themselves in were detestable and pointless. But ultimately that was all a lie he told himself to cope with his situation, and he ends up doing exactly what the normal kids he hated did, and the thing about them he hated the most, and he eventually realizes how he had been lying to himself when he decides he doesn't want that but he wants something "genuine."
@@DBZHGWgamer he isn't wrong. I won't explain again. I think I did enough with the theories I laid down already there. Hachiman wasn't wrong. He just found someone genuine. He was generalising. In the bigger picture, he was correct.
For anyone wondering this is the quote : I hate nice girls. Just exchanging greetings with them will get them on your mind. Start texting each other, and your heart will be set a flutter. If they call you, you're done for. Enjoy staring at your logs and grinning like a fool. However, I won't get fooled again. That's what your kind calls kindness. If you're nice to me, you're nice to others. I always end up nearly forgetting that. Reality is cruel, So I'm sure lies are a form of kindness. Thus, I say kindness itself is also a lie. I always ended up with these expectations. And I always ended up with these misunderstandings. And before I knew it, I stopped hoping. A highly trained loner is once bitten, twice shy. As a veteran on this battlefield of life, I've gotten used to losing. That's why I always hate nice girls. - Hachiman Hikigaya
It’s kind of funny you know? How I find this as I’m going through the same problems.. when I told myself I didn’t care and that it won’t hurt me and yet now here I am damaged trying to tell myself it doesn’t hurt, now I’m alone again.
Yeah it's not like i am want to be alone .the fake mask of peoples is the worst cruel thing i ever want to interact so decide to search what real but unfortunately it cannot exist.i am tired this fakes being alone sometimes hit hard so no one stay like that but for me i don't think escape from this feeling of alone it stay with me always
i watched this when i was 14 and i couldn't understand it properly.. hearing it again now after 9 years gave me freakin goosebumps and brought back memories that happened in those 9 years.
this is why he didnt go with yui because he said it himself "I hate nice girls, they are just being nice to me. If anyone is nice to me is nice to others too. If the truth is cruel mistress then lie must be a nice girl and so niceness is a lie. Thats why no matter what happens, i will always hate nice girls."
damn, I just watch the other Hachi quote but it's in English so it's kind of boring hearing it because I don't feel any emotion... when it comes to anime with a lot of drama it gotta be in Japanese dub
He is just an experienced boy who lost hope and trust from nice people and one day if someone is really nice to him then he misunderstood him and unintentionally hurt her but it's not his fault; it's the fault of our society which forces us to lose trust from other people "-"
Pretty good slice of life anime. Hachiman is a character that everyone of us can relate to and that's why you keep looking into this story. Very realistic anime caracter, which is pretty rare tbh. At least he followed his own advices to the end (spoiler) and chose the unpleasant girl !
I hate nice girls. Just exchanging pleasantries with them makes me curious, and texting each other makes me feel restless. If I get a call, for the rest of the day, I keep checking my call history with a stupid grin on my face. But I know the truth. They’re just being nice. Anyone nice to me is nice to others too. But I always find myself on the verge of forgetting that. If the truth is a cruel mistress, then a lie must be a nice girl. And so, niceness is a lie. I would always hold expectations. I would always misunderstand. At some point, I stopped hoping. An experienced loner never falls for the same trap twice. A lone warrior, surviving hundreds of battles. When it comes to losing, I’m the strongest. That’s why, no matter what happens, I will always hate nice girls.
On a side note I my self haven't watched the 3rd saeson yet cause I really don't want it to end but in all honestly I know it has to so it's time to finshes it
This is the most most most favourite scene in this anime to me.....one of my top favourite scene of all time becoz each and every word is damn true and I felt like myself present at that video
I have been in same situation with Hachiman when I was and junior high schooler, I confessed to a girl who always nice to me, and of course she rejected me I became traumatic with real girls and started watching anime for years and then I found Oregairu I really understand Hachiman and I wish I got a happy ending in romance comedy genre in real life by the way, only 1 month until my graduation in senior high school
You can't let one rejection destroy your romantic life. Some people are going to have romantic feelings for you, some wont. You'll never find someone who can reciprocate your feelings if you're always hiding in fear because of one rejection, you just need to be willing to accept that rejection. It's always better to directly approach a girl relatively early on about your feelings than to wait and hope they'll start to feel the same later, your feelings will just keep growing but if they aren't into you that's realistically not going to change no matter what you do. Even worse if they are into you they might think you're not into them if you hide how you feel and move on. Also you won't give your own feelings as much time to grow, so it will hurt less, use up less time, and leave you in a position to find someone who is into you sooner.
Season 1 is just hits different. It's a story of a person being that person, having their own struggle, their own way and their own signature. It's the most niche of all but it gives fundamental on how different people will undergo their development process and how it will change them
We all being sad guys here huh? im self aware but i really dont have any confidence with girls i can talk and maintain conversations with them but, damn am i so unlucky to be interested to women whos so toxic so ig when i get interested in having a relationship I'll watch this
I actually have one question. Why is he so entitled? I know 8man had difficulties and rejection and that did hurt him. People are actually showing affection to him and he ignores it as not being genuine. He eventually warms up to people, but it is still sad that people agree with this quote up to this day. "Oh I'm not like other sheep in this society" People act like 8man but they dont realise he is suffering.
His loner facade is his coping mechanism. He has never been treasured in his life (exception komachi of course). His parents blatantly favour komachi. Was made fun of from elementary to middle school. Bullied. So whenever someone was nice to him he expected there might be something more to it. But there wasn't like the kaori scenario, they instead made more fun of him and called him creepy. It's basically a puppy that has been kicked so much that it didn't bother trying to stand again. He has no hope. In his eyes he is worthless and no one would ever want associate with him and that he has no redeeming qualities. It's from here that his misanthropic, pessimistic and nihilistic views come from. So whenever someone shows interest in him, his first thought is to find their ulterior motive so as to not get hurt and disappointed. He can't take things at face value. He always tries to read btw the lines. This is s1 hachiman, s3 hachiman is very different. Ppl think his ideology is cool and all but it isn't theirs truth to what he says but that only applies to some situations. They grow out of it like I did. Basically he has the personality of a noir protagnist.
@@DarkNorthEmperor well between a cheerful, easy to get along, cute, adorable daughter and a grumpy, hard to understand, not so cute son.Its not that hard to understand who they would pay attention to. Also hachiman is very responsible for his age a little too much actually. He used to take care of komachi when he was in elementary and middle school stuff like cooking, chores, etc. So in their parents eyes they don't need to pay attention to him as he is responsible and will understand that they can't pay much attention to him in their busy work life. There is a reason he wants to become a house house husband, it is so that he can pay attention to his kids and wife. The guy is a nice kid....
@@nikhildominic1565 it is very weird though. I mean me mustn't have always been like what he *is* during the duration of the show. And I don't understand why his parents didn't pay any attention or support him from becoming a sociopath. I mean, no kid is born grumpy. They become grumpy over time. It'd be easier to explain if they didn't love him at all, but I know that it isn't true. But, I still wonder about the lack of attention they five him.
Bro said "When it comes to losing, I am the strongest". Real talk, every guy ever can relate to Hikigaya Hachiman cause we've all been through the same shit lmao
Hachiman just tell my typical life someone who's full of i dont know I thought being smart makes me a gooder person I thought being handsome makes ppl trust me and so ppl won't pretend being kind but I was tired And so I decided to just try my best at school but never study and just hoping to get the real girl.
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Don't mind me, I'm just coming back here every time my hopes randomly go up.
You have no idea how often I come back here, after defeat and defeat. Only to realize the same everytime. We don't wanna realize it, but that's how it is.
0:12 to 0:26 really hits hard.
That’s what i did
I feel you there mate..
Same mate
Same
Legit, out of every quote from every anime I've ever watched, this one has stuck with me. I feel like the meaning behind the words is so much heavier than what it looks like on the surface.
If you ever liked a nice girl, you know the pain. Especially when you don’t know how to deal with the emotions.
Anime are best known for their "study" . Every facts you see in anime, it's likely true because theyve done study. And probably the same with this hachiman. They probably asked lots of "loner" to know their feelings before made this anime. That's why it stuck in your head because it's true and most relatable.
Aidil Aidil Are you saying I’m lonely lol
Diversity Do you think you’re lonely?
@@Bubbalove007 I am 70% hachiman. I used to hate my past because I'm always the last in everyone choice, always try to fit in any group, seek for attention. But now, just like hachiman I really don't care about fame, friends or any useless thing like that. I become 100% loner and proud of that just like hachiman rn. Thanks to my past, I now can judge people better and become more mature. So, I really can understand hachiman feelings and why he become like that. And, hachiman qoute about "I hate nice girl" it really hit me hard cause that's me in the past. Always make stupid grin if a girl chat or talk to me. But fortunately I've open my eyes.
This is my most favorite anime of all time. So relatable .. Hachiman
I loved it so much
Same ❣️
fodé cissokho he changed so much. I love old him.
I’m season 3 I can relate too Hachiman and the messages this anime gives are so true
Its the best indeed
*'A lone warrior, surviving thousands battle. When it comes to losing, I'm the strongest'*
yep, the strongest lone warrior losing a thousands of battles and yet remains totally unbroken
"If the truth is a cruel mistress, then a lie must be a nice girl. And so, nicesess is a lie."
Well I think I get Hachiman's point.
There's story I am willing to shared, in the past maybe I'll embarrassed my self, but now it is only acceptance.
I was a loner back in Highschool, sure I have friends, but never too close to share stories. Then this girl appeared of nowhere.
I and this girl didn't share the same class during 10th grade and 11st grade. We know each other because we shared the same class in our last year of the school. It's just a rumor, I know that this girl just got broken up with her boyfriend in 11st grade, I don't know why, but at first I thought she just when her way to exchange pointer, like sharing results of our exams, teaching each other about subject we are weak for.
I dare to call myself the strongest and smartest in entire grade if it come to Math, and so is she in Chemistry. We exchange pointer, learn from each other, compare our work to each other, even go to the same tuition center after school together, and join local science olympics together for our strongest subject.
Day by day, months by months, we spend time together, not for entertainment like go to watch movie or special dates, just only pure business like studying together. This shared moments, lasting until the first semester of our 12nd grade.
My feeling to her then begin to grow, so is my hope, delusions, and dream. At some point, I talked to myself, I don't want this to end after we graduate.
Then it came without warning. Her ex want to connect with her again. She accepted. In the end, it's only me and my broken hearts.
Now, it's only me and my job, never lucky enough to encounter my fated ones, even in college.
Thank you for reading my sad story, don't worry, I am happy right now with my life.
Well I hope you find your fated one soon👍
Bro, i hope you keep stay strong, i feel you mann
This is why I'd never rise my expectations
I'm here for you do dud chair up!! 😊😄
yeah, you're a nerd, just like me, your sad story will go on with more and more until the day you feel too tired to be sad, in which the moment you give up on hoping
Man I remember watching this when I was in HS and heavily related to Hachiman. I even started to admire him back then and marched forward to the loners path. After HS I tried to turn over a new leaf and start trying to be positive along with working on myself because I was so close to just becoming a shut in and just rot away. Forced myself to work at a Starbucks to improve my social skills and hell I even met my 1st real best friend. However my love life remained stagnant I looked much better than before and became known as a extremely positive person and hard working. Always commended for staying up beat despite the fact I later started working at a Walmart warehouse and continued to work at Starbucks. Things seemed like they were changing for the better and yeah I guess they were but romance is still something I could not achieve. I still got rejected by the girl I had known for 5yrs. That ended in 2019 I’m 27 fucken years old now and here I am again…. I had been striving to get passed this, clinging on to hope that things would be different. Finally accepting it wasn’t meant to be and met someone new almost 2 years ago only to end up back here. The later seasons along with other anime dealing with characters like Hachiman really helped me push through and try to improve myself believing I’ll finally experience a genuine romantic relationship. I’m so tired of yearning I honestly don’t know what to do anymore. Even after all the effort I’ve spent to grow it still feels like nothing about me has changed. I feel like just giving up and becoming the shut in NEET I fought so hard to avoid becoming. I have zero energy left but the only reason I won’t do any of that is because of my pets who depend on me. I guess my mistake was trying to change and grow for others and not myself. I don’t know man I hope anyone who reads this doesn’t make my mistake. Grow for yourself not for others. Trauma dump to the void is over I’ll stfu now lmao
It is my same story…
"grow for yourself first" is a very good lesson
that's y Oregairu season 1 is like reality for me & i treat the rest of the seasons as a distant dream..
Growing for others isn’t the way. You create an expectation that might not manifest. Don’t set yourself up for disappointment.
Growing for yourself is when you truly ascend. Do it for your own sake and to find happiness within.
We relate to Hachiman in the worst way. Please don't treat this as the absolute truth...
People will fucking hurt us, some treat us like trash, but that doesn't mean there will never be someone we can share our burdens with, someone who can take the worst of ourselves. That someone might me a friend or a lover.
As my favorite fictional teacher says,
"Think, writhe, struggle." We can be better, but if we can't learn to be honest with ourselves, or to be vulnerable to the people we want to spend our lives with, how can we ever move forward?
If Hachiman can do it, so should we. You're fine, don't give up. We'll be fine...
Couldn't agree more🖤
Indeed. It's sad that people look to Hachiman as some preacher of truth when they really don't understand that its a declaration of despair and feelings of hopelessness in ever finding happiness.
The show is saying "yeah we may be a Hachiman at one point in our lives, but don't try to stay in that state forever. It's unhealthy. Change for the better and learn to accept life as it is."
Hachiman had yukino and yui, a lot of us will never have anyone by our side besides our parents, some won't even have that, so we have to adapt being alone
@@anklasimo Exactly.
YUP
*I would always hold expectations.*
*I would always misunderstand.*
*At some point, I stopped hoping.*
Never realized how deep this words is until one of my very good female friends suddenly said to me she got a boyfriend and want me to stop contacting her. And the most surprised part is, I dont feel anything, because deep down I already stopped hoping and my brain too tired to care about all this relationship crap
Damn.. thats ruff i feel you Not that I had same these situation but... I feel you my fellow brother/sister
Sometimes its a good decision
Oh.. we share same experience. I guess my beautiful good female friend in highschool is like Kaori Orimoto in middle school for Hachiman.
been there done that. when you stop caring means you can focus on yourself and what you want in life. it may sting but with time it will heal and in the next relationship you would enter youll have more confidence.
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"Experienced loner" should put that on my CV.
3 years ago, i didn't understand what he said. Now after entering high school. I finally know what he meant. Best quotes to stay alive in school.
wtf why is this still true....
People after hearing/reading this quote often misunderstand and misuse it to start despising girls for this reason.
Let me elaborate this for u people. People take his words in a literal way, when he says he hates nice girls its not because he hates their existence or despises them from within. He hates them just because how these girls make him feel when they be nice to him. He hates that feeling that a guy gets when a nice girls talk to him and be kind to him. Because of this he starts to hope for more interaction and it awakens his inner desire to want to feel that emotions and love, which he has sorted out and patched it up over the years.
Because he knows what'll happen again if he starts to persue those desires. And that makes him more angry. People need to understand the motive behind these words.
Nice Girls are always going to be kind to u, it's just how they're raised to be. And don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with that, it's just there's a part within me aswell that hopes that all girls need to stop being too kind. It's just a lie in the end, coz it means nothing.
How do you stop the desire
I think he hate that girls use kindness like a manipulation strategy and now he is already a lonely man who learn to see a pattern in the conduct of this type of girls.
This
@@purplehoneycomb6456 thank you
@@lewdowl8205 i meant the ops comment not urs lol
Finally someone understand my feeling
Basically my relationship with girls during my 18 years of school
Same😂🤣😂🤣😅
Damn you got kind girls? I didn't even meet one.well i think it's because I'm always with the boys
"They're just being nice" Ooooh that's true.
Being the one who sacrifice
It's hurting but you can safe friendship or someone
I AGREE with you there
It really makes sense...
The problem is that action of protecting others, while sacrificing yourself, done too many times will become a habit. And that's not healthy at any level.
This is kinda scary because of how much relatable this is..
I hate nice girls.
Just exchanging pleasantries with them makes me curious,
and texting each other makes me feel restless.
If I get a call, for the rest of the day,
I'll keep checking my call history with a stupid grin on my face.
But I know the truth,
They're just being nice.
Anyone nice to me is nice to others too.
But I always find myself on the verge of forgetting that.
If the truth is a cruel mistress,
then a lie must be a nice girl.
And so, niceness is a lie.
I would always hold expectation.
I would always mistunderstand.
At some point, I stopped hoping.
An experienced loner never falls for the same trap twice.
A lone warrior, surviving hundreds of battles.
When it comes to losing, I'm the strongest.
That's why, no matter what happens,
I will always hate nice girls.
The day I realised my Message are just being read through Notifications and will be ignored to avoid Blue tick in WhatsApp .. that day was just the last day when I had talked with any Girl.
what he means to say is not that nice girls are liars but he is afraid for falling for the niceness so he puts on an armour of hatred, you edgy bois
He's afraid of mistaking thier niceness for something else entirely which is actually not there, it's a habit of sorts of unpopular guys who don't get much attention from girls.
@@cyberbully7718 isn't that what I said?
He exactly means nice girls are liars. They put on an act (which is a lie) and try to be nice to people, giving mix signals just so they can be called "nice", or for attention. That's why they are liars. When a nice girl texts him, they placed a bait on him, but they aren't really interested in him. He's saying why does nice girls text me, and give me false hopes and lies?
yui was different though
Yui started talking to hachiman because of guilt but after a while she started liking him
i felt like she truly cared about all of her comrades. even at the beginning of the service club up until the end.
Yes. That's why he found happiness.
That's why he preferred yukinon than yui.. 8man is a wise man
It's so sad that maybe oregairu can't get another season
Wdym the story is finished
Rip
@HESKEYXX I felt super sad regarding Yui, but it was her choice.
She wanted to keep being friends with both 8man and Yukino, the only way of doing that was to let go
and goddammit do I hate it :(
The language is much stronger than the text.
No matter how many times I watch it, always get the goosbumps.
Nice guys and nice girls having 2 different meanings
that's why he rejected her beacuse yui manipulating yukino that having hachiman herself and hachiman notice too
Ya season 3 explained he was lying lol
I think hachi prefer honest person lol
What do you mean he was lying?
But he chose yukino
Poor Hachiman just wants someone who only likes him, but like in a real way. He doesn't have his parents home and only interacts with his sister a few times. If he really wanted to leave the club, he could just threaten the teacher with saying he would sue her and leave the club. He wanted to get the attention of someone who woulf be loyal to him through his whole life. Now that I look back and realise this, Hachiman really has a sad backstory
the girl texted me so I came back here to get slapped by a truth that its all for kindness...
literally me
This is how I see it, Oregaru is a story of change. Hachiman's character develops a lot from the beginning of the story, and from the very start he was bound to change his rotten perspective in life, that is why Sensei put him in the service club to begin with (I think she saw her past self in Hikigaya thus wanted to help him, but that's another theory). My point is, if you relate to some aspect of Hachiman that is fine, but if you still agree with him (his past perspective) you may have some growing up to do. Hachiman looked down on others, he thought of them as inferior in their way of life, but even more twisted is how this was a lie he fabricated to cover up the actual truth, he looked down on himself.
He convinces himself that his philosophy is the right path and being a loner is the absolute way of life, when in reality he just wants to fit in but hides it behind his loner façade with self deprecating humor. The way he helps others is by worsening his image, he wants others to hate him the way he hates himself. I don't think that it is a good way of living your life. I grew up watching Hachiman (heck, that's seven fucking years), and my view grew with his. I cant say this is THE interpretation of his whole character, but that's the way I interpret it now. If you were to ask the me in freshman year of highschool what I thought of Hachiman Hikigaya, I would have replied with a "Deep" "he is a real one" "woke" as back then I was in total agreement with his perspective. Now, all I see is a teenager struggling to fit in and lying to himself on what it means to be happy, while hiding what he truly wants. "When it comes to losing, I'm the strongest" if that isn't a portrait of self deprecation, i dont know what is
I partially agree with this statement. However, I also partially disagree. Hiki has shown character development throughout the series where he first starts as a self-deprecated character, and later learns to open up. But I personally still agree with the statement "If truth is cruel, then lying must be kind. Thats why kindness is a lie." Hiki is self deprecated and looks down on himself because he is scared to face the cruel truth. The truth is always cruel because reality is cruel. Life is cruel. There is never an instance where one is always happy throughout their lives, and if there is, they are lying to themselves. Humans are born cruel, we are only kind because we have hidden motives, whether you want to admit it or not. Even genuinely complementing someone as simple as saying "you look pretty in that outfit" is only done to be liked, or to make someone else feel better about themselves. This is not a genuine act because its full of pity or arrogance and self-advancement. Therefore kindness is a lie. A lie to yourself, and others.
But we still are kind, because we are not being truthful. There is still inequality and racism in the world because humans were not born as equals, and we will never be. Thats just the truth, if no humans were born the same (financially, family, religion, health...). Thats what makes us unique afterall. We are filled with self-pride, and will do anything to bring others down just to bring ourselves up. Its human nature. Those who deny this fact, and still believe in equality, are just being kind to those who are less fortunate (like myself). But how can we ever move past this if we keep lying to ourselves? If we keep believing that life is fair? We will just be stuck in lies of deceptive fantasy.
The truth is cruel because it is reality. Lying is kind because it acts as a barrier so we dont have to face reality. And kindness is a lie, because it is never genuine.
Hachiman obviously has flaws, in terms of dealing with the problems he is facing. However, what he has explained about life is not wrong, in most cases. The author obviously reads a lot because I've seen contexts of existentialism, mimesis, and even largely nihilism. This, for example, about lie being fake reminds me of how Plato explains how all things are imitations of something genuine and thus, are all fake.
And hachiman is actually really observant in this quote. What he says is actually true, because teens care a lot about their image and attention, so a lot of them put on an act. Adults think they grew out of it, but no, ur surrounding changed and ur hormones don't crave for attention as much anymore. U r not surrounded by teens anymore and only the genuinely kind ones remain. Hachiman didn't contradict this because the show introduced that popular guy in his class(the blonde hair one). Only he saw his real face. Because he knows it's no use putting up the nice guy act in front of him.
@@wit4witcher What, the point of Hachiman's character and speeches early on is that he *is* wrong. He's not 100% wrong, there are some grains of truth, but ultimately his view of the world was perverted by his past which lead him to interpret reality in a fundamentally mistaken manner. At the start of the show he saw himself as some how fundamentally different from "normal" or "popular" kids... and he acted as if the social situations they put themselves in were detestable and pointless. But ultimately that was all a lie he told himself to cope with his situation, and he ends up doing exactly what the normal kids he hated did, and the thing about them he hated the most, and he eventually realizes how he had been lying to himself when he decides he doesn't want that but he wants something "genuine."
@@DBZHGWgamer he isn't wrong. I won't explain again. I think I did enough with the theories I laid down already there. Hachiman wasn't wrong. He just found someone genuine. He was generalising. In the bigger picture, he was correct.
@@wit4witcher You've completely missed the point of everything after the student council election if that's what you think.
So, as I pray, Unlimited Loner Works.
Hachiman my guy, atleast you get mails and calls xDD
for anyone wondering... its s1 e5
For anyone wondering this is the quote :
I hate nice girls.
Just exchanging greetings with them will get them on your mind.
Start texting each other, and your heart will be set a flutter.
If they call you, you're done for.
Enjoy staring at your logs and grinning like a fool.
However, I won't get fooled again. That's what your kind calls kindness.
If you're nice to me, you're nice to others.
I always end up nearly forgetting that. Reality is cruel,
So I'm sure lies are a form of kindness.
Thus, I say kindness itself is also a lie.
I always ended up with these expectations.
And I always ended up with these misunderstandings.
And before I knew it, I stopped hoping.
A highly trained loner is once bitten, twice shy.
As a veteran on this battlefield of life, I've gotten used to losing.
That's why I always hate nice girls. - Hachiman Hikigaya
That's how reality simply is, disappointing
It’s kind of funny you know? How I find this as I’m going through the same problems.. when I told myself I didn’t care and that it won’t hurt me and yet now here I am damaged trying to tell myself it doesn’t hurt, now I’m alone again.
Yeah it's not like i am want to be alone .the fake mask of peoples is the worst cruel thing i ever want to interact so decide to search what real but unfortunately it cannot exist.i am tired this fakes being alone sometimes hit hard so no one stay like that but for me i don't think escape from this feeling of alone it stay with me always
We live in a more fictional world.
So basically Yui is a lie and Yukino is truth?, Is that it?
Still my favorite quote from hikigaya
Same
i watched this when i was 14 and i couldn't understand it properly.. hearing it again now after 9 years gave me freakin goosebumps and brought back memories that happened in those 9 years.
Anytime i get my hopes high i comeback to this quote to get back to my senses
this is why he didnt go with yui because he said it himself "I hate nice girls, they are just being nice to me. If anyone is nice to me is nice to others too. If the truth is cruel mistress then lie must be a nice girl and so niceness is a lie. Thats why no matter what happens, i will always hate nice girls."
Nah this was when he thought yui was just being nice to him out of pity
@@ougintoga7195 well the way she handled it looked like she pitied him. even though it isnt her intention to do so. sometimes kindness can hurt.
Too bad 8man was wrong about Yui.
damn, I just watch the other Hachi quote but it's in English so it's kind of boring hearing it because I don't feel any emotion...
when it comes to anime with a lot of drama it gotta be in Japanese dub
He is just an experienced boy who lost hope and trust from nice people and one day if someone is really nice to him then he misunderstood him and unintentionally hurt her but it's not his fault; it's the fault of our society which forces us to lose trust from other people "-"
How did we go from admiring Gundam to this again?!
Damn Because of this I watch this anime dude Tf Hachiman voice Hits hard
I love this anime
But still he got a fucking harem
Pretty good slice of life anime.
Hachiman is a character that everyone of us can relate to and that's why you keep looking into this story. Very realistic anime caracter, which is pretty rare tbh.
At least he followed his own advices to the end (spoiler) and chose the unpleasant girl !
LORD HACHIMAN
people that disliked this r nice girls
Sometimes it's better to be on your own also this way you protect yourself
I hate nice girls.
Just exchanging pleasantries with them makes me curious, and texting each other makes me feel restless. If I get a call, for the rest of the day, I keep checking my call history with a stupid grin on my face. But I know the truth. They’re just being nice. Anyone nice to me is nice to others too. But I always find myself on the verge of forgetting that. If the truth is a cruel mistress, then a lie must be a nice girl. And so, niceness is a lie. I would always hold expectations. I would always misunderstand. At some point, I stopped hoping. An experienced loner never falls for the same trap twice. A lone warrior, surviving hundreds of battles. When it comes to losing, I’m the strongest. That’s why, no matter what happens, I will always hate nice girls.
Which anime is this? name?
My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU
I have to say ur in for a wonderful ride of a master peace anime that u will not regret watching from beginning to end.
On a side note I my self haven't watched the 3rd saeson yet cause I really don't want it to end but in all honestly I know it has to so it's time to finshes it
Respect!
Our hero 8man.
The greatest anime mc of all time.
Does anyone know what episode this is?
5th ep of s1.
Reaction of the girls...
This is the most most most favourite scene in this anime to me.....one of my top favourite scene of all time becoz each and every word is damn true and I felt like myself present at that video
In 3 days, 8man returns!
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And now he's back
our mans in back
our mans
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I have been in same situation with Hachiman
when I was and junior high schooler, I confessed to a girl who always nice to me, and of course she rejected me
I became traumatic with real girls and started watching anime for years and then I found Oregairu
I really understand Hachiman and I wish I got a happy ending in romance comedy genre in real life
by the way, only 1 month until my graduation in senior high school
I don't know the difference between junior and senior Highschool, but I'm at the University right now and I relate so much to your comment
You can't let one rejection destroy your romantic life. Some people are going to have romantic feelings for you, some wont. You'll never find someone who can reciprocate your feelings if you're always hiding in fear because of one rejection, you just need to be willing to accept that rejection. It's always better to directly approach a girl relatively early on about your feelings than to wait and hope they'll start to feel the same later, your feelings will just keep growing but if they aren't into you that's realistically not going to change no matter what you do. Even worse if they are into you they might think you're not into them if you hide how you feel and move on. Also you won't give your own feelings as much time to grow, so it will hurt less, use up less time, and leave you in a position to find someone who is into you sooner.
And he was right all the time.
i dont know how many times i came here crying because of how relatable it is
Relatable asf
Name the ost?
And again, he returns from where he came.
Fav quote in anime
Hiki is really relatable
Im fucking appalled people think self depracation is something to be admired.
Oh man
This hits hard
These aren't quotes they are facts
Season 1 is just hits different. It's a story of a person being that person, having their own struggle, their own way and their own signature. It's the most niche of all but it gives fundamental on how different people will undergo their development process and how it will change them
Damn soooooo relatable
Yeah just don't confuse this with literally anyone who shows affection to you.
And that's why yukino won
Relatable for the most of us.
I really love this anime... My favorite.. Hachiman is the best character and highly relatable...
We all being sad guys here huh?
im self aware but i really dont have any confidence with girls
i can talk and maintain conversations with them
but, damn am i so unlucky to be interested to women whos so toxic
so ig when i get interested in having a relationship
I'll watch this
I actually have one question. Why is he so entitled? I know 8man had difficulties and rejection and that did hurt him. People are actually showing affection to him and he ignores it as not being genuine. He eventually warms up to people, but it is still sad that people agree with this quote up to this day. "Oh I'm not like other sheep in this society" People act like 8man but they dont realise he is suffering.
His loner facade is his coping mechanism. He has never been treasured in his life (exception komachi of course). His parents blatantly favour komachi. Was made fun of from elementary to middle school. Bullied. So whenever someone was nice to him he expected there might be something more to it. But there wasn't like the kaori scenario, they instead made more fun of him and called him creepy. It's basically a puppy that has been kicked so much that it didn't bother trying to stand again. He has no hope. In his eyes he is worthless and no one would ever want associate with him and that he has no redeeming qualities. It's from here that his misanthropic, pessimistic and nihilistic views come from. So whenever someone shows interest in him, his first thought is to find their ulterior motive so as to not get hurt and disappointed. He can't take things at face value. He always tries to read btw the lines. This is s1 hachiman, s3 hachiman is very different.
Ppl think his ideology is cool and all but it isn't theirs truth to what he says but that only applies to some situations. They grow out of it like I did.
Basically he has the personality of a noir protagnist.
@@nikhildominic1565 I've always found it weird that his parents don't favour him.
@@DarkNorthEmperor well between a cheerful, easy to get along, cute, adorable daughter and a grumpy, hard to understand, not so cute son.Its not that hard to understand who they would pay attention to. Also hachiman is very responsible for his age a little too much actually. He used to take care of komachi when he was in elementary and middle school stuff like cooking, chores, etc. So in their parents eyes they don't need to pay attention to him as he is responsible and will understand that they can't pay much attention to him in their busy work life. There is a reason he wants to become a house house husband, it is so that he can pay attention to his kids and wife. The guy is a nice kid....
@@nikhildominic1565 it is very weird though. I mean me mustn't have always been like what he *is* during the duration of the show. And I don't understand why his parents didn't pay any attention or support him from becoming a sociopath.
I mean, no kid is born grumpy. They become grumpy over time.
It'd be easier to explain if they didn't love him at all, but I know that it isn't true. But, I still wonder about the lack of attention they five him.
@@DarkNorthEmperor Watch S1 again.
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Bro said "When it comes to losing, I am the strongest". Real talk, every guy ever can relate to Hikigaya Hachiman cause we've all been through the same shit lmao
Gg
Same
Hachiman just tell my typical life someone who's full of i dont know I thought being smart makes me a gooder person I thought being handsome makes ppl trust me and so ppl won't pretend being kind but I was tired
And so I decided to just try my best at school but never study and just hoping to get the real girl.
Isn’t it better to be alone in silhouette then to be alone in a group
0:50
Relatable af 🙂💔
We all Hachiman at some point, some was be able to find their Yukino and Yui, but some who didn't.
This anime hits different on me again and again😭
im searching this one but with river flows in you
This anime is the wet dream of all weebs with social anxiety
spittin bars dont mean they gotta rhyme
If you argue with this quote seems you're looking for nice girl 👀
foreshadowing of yahallost
This, this is the quote that turned many weak-minded otaku teenagers out there into some edgy loners high school students, including me