Well they picked a good spot to derail as you can watch and video and they can’t run you off and say you are trespassing. Thanks Jason for being on scene and bringing this live rerailing action!
Looking forward to your full video Jason ... wow, what great coverage ... thanks again Jason for all of the videos you do for those who can't be there with you.
These spur or branch tracks that Class 1 railroads spun off, are generally not well maintained, have low speed limits because of poor track condition, and will eventually be abandoned. In the meantime on this trackage, Jason keeps us informed as to the day to day operations up there in cold country. Watching from a beach front condo near Vero Beach, Florida 78 degrees today. Thanks J.
Well , it is what it is and this happens all the time. Good to see that there is forward movement of the rerailing. Thanks for the update! Hope there will be one or two more .
When can we expect the next episode of "off the rails" with Jason Asselin? This video was fantastic, showing the in depth part of train operations. Thanks for this one Jason!
Derailments happen on every line. It’s a fact of life. Signals break; it’s a fact of life. In my years of service and then management , we deal with them. What I have never understood about this company, is why they haven’t invested more in upgrades, preventive maintenance, and some paint, to make their engines look more attractive. They are a successful company, but no one would know that.
@@JOHNNYCARROLL-f9e You know, if they would upgrade the crossing devices, they would have far less grief. Those older systems relies on bond wires and batteries. When a bond wire breaks, often in cold weather, or a battery dies, it automatically activates the flashers.
@@garydreamweaver I've been working for the same class 1 for 20 years. Been involved in 1 derailment, but I've only seen 7 minor derailments in that 20 years. These guys literally derail once a month.. this company is a joke
@ I agree; they’re pathetic. I was the rail ops director for a short line for approximately seven years; I have never seen anything like them before, either. I feel sorry for their employees
Hey Jason !!! WOW !!! Now they can replace the rails & ALL the spikes along with ""NEW Ties !!! 🤔🙄 Thanks for staying with it as surly those cars will take 24 hr. to be back on the rails !! 👍👍👍👍👍
The age of the rails is really not that important... the age of the ties are what matters... 90lb rail will work just fine for 286k cars, as long as the ties hold the rails firm.
They do very little maintenance to that line let alone the locomotives they have the ex Conrail down with electrical issues and the F unit is down with traction motor issues all they care about is the money
Rule #1 of rerailing without cranes: never work into where you derailed, always go back toward the PD. Rule #2 of rerailing without cranes: Once one axle of a truck has crossed over on a loaded car, you lose. Call a crane. The fact they have one sitting there and are beating their brains in is fascinating.
If that is selected Cedar siding on that A Frame?, about $300k per car. I think it's the "cheap stuff" at $160k a car. Looks like some units shifted into each other when it jumped and destroyed the ends. The cost goes up, the value goes down, when ANYTHING jumps the tracks. Check your board ends when you purchase at the lumberyard. Our train transit is in a accelerated state of decay. It needs attention.
@trainguy55-f6q I was a loader for a lumber mill and loaded uncountable A frames loaded with Pac Northwest lumber products, bound for Cali.. Very careful loading of the units was instilled. The cable wraps had to be Inspected with every car. We would shove the loaded cars back down the siding with the forklift to make room for the next. A guy on the front "driving" to set the hand brake quick when it snuggled up to the others on the siding. I never "bunched up" one car in 9 years, with a hard shunt and split the board ends like the above. I seen it done, and fixed some else's mistake, but never me.
Larkin just needs to sell this railroad already... to someone who know how to run a successful railroad. Seems like it's been a steady circling of the drain since he's owned it. A little maintenance, and maybe some marketing would do wonders.
If Larkin still owns the E&LS he needs to stick about 300,000 ties in just between green bay and pembine. From pembine north to Wells it would be about the same amount. I talked to the ELS crews when they came into the CN yard in GB all the time. When I was still working for CN back in 2016 and they said it was bad then. I can't imagine doing more than 10 mph on that railroad.
Jason, THANKS for getting this video ….. Always interesting to see how the real railroad handles derailments. Betcha they wish they could use an 0-5-0 hand for derailments…… 🙃
I honestly don't understand this logic the track is already rolled so they just keep pulling more cars over it to make it worse??? Why not disconnect the cars we see right in front of us and back up the cars behind and pull the other cars ahead so that you're not running all the cars over the bad tracks? I don't see there being a problem with them sitting there it's not like any other trains are going to be coming through until that's fixed? I guess the crane crew feels it's a better option to just lay all the rail cars on their side then they'll be out of the way so they can fix the tracks... 🤣🤣🤣
To do that they would have to bring in another locomotive to move the cars at the rear. That takes more time and costs more. Besides watching the spikes popping out like that looks great on video.
Well done video! Thank you. Done legally off railroad property so they have no righto complain. Are they hoping to re-rail athe grade crossing so the rail cannot roll out held in place by the pavement? No switches so no way to do one railcar at a time?
I was thinking just like in Ho scale and N scale a rerailer similar to the railroad crossing. I hope that track doesn't cause anymore problems for other freight trains on this route. Great video scenes & enjoyed watching. 👍
dont think u can re-rail onto a tipped-over rail. I think they did the best they could, given the location. get it close to the crane if you can. you are NOT going to send an engine down a tipped rail.
They are pulling the cars up to the track that is not rolled over. There the rerailers are installed to get the cars up onto the ball of the rail. As long as the trucks stay aligned it should work out ok.
If you were standing there watching the rail get folded over and spikes shooting out would you just keep going? Obviously there's a problem with their solution...
they really do something strange. 1st - decouple it, 1 car at a time! 2nd - why they just pull it? Portable rerailer under the wheel and it pops back to rail instantly, not dragging on sleepers destroying everything around.
@royreynolds108 nope, I do know how they work. Easy and reliable. Put it in position and pull, gravity does not make errors. The single problem is - you do have to repair rails after, if it fell once it repeats again, especially after such forced rerailing.
If you see the fat guy there waving his arms when the rail car almost fell over? He was just waiting for the problem to fix itself then they could all go have a beer for a job well done. Surprise Surprise
@jasonasselin those rail anchors can be dangerous when knocking them on and knocking them off when installing rail or ties. They make that distinctive ping you heard when they were flying off. Keep up the good work with the filming. I enjoy your videos and don't worry, I will also keep it a secret!!! LOL
typical "lack" of track inspections and no "summertime" regauging done, as all this was 100% preventable as all it took, was enough "out-of-gauge" slack in the (useless plain square shank) dog spikes, that get forced up and don't go down, whenever the track is subjected to overweight loads, until the dog spikes cannot keep the foot of the rail "lifting" as old wheel sets roll along track that's gauge is too wide, until at first, ONE axle (with it's TWO attached wheels), pops OFF the track, angling the other axle on that bogie until it "forces the rail to tilt outwards" - forcing more spikes to "let go, or snap their worn heads off" (in the cold) and you have the first rolled rail giving several inches extra width to that loose gauge, followed by every single double-axle bogie dropping at least one axle off the track, forcing even more "rail heads" to roll, and soon, you have every wagon behind that first one, rolling the rail more until these sideways turned bogies go "on holiday" drifting wherever the hell they wish, as the :train" drops ONTO the ground, ruining every spike and rolling rails on both sides (if the Multi-wagon" derailment can). Pulling them ahead, slowly (with the loco) only make for a whole lot of EXTRA work for the track crew later, but "thankfully, at road crossings, the RAIL is held tighter by the road's bitumen tarseal, forcing the "off-tracked" bogies to "re-align themselves", BACK onto the track (after the crossing) meaning yes, it's expensive, but it works, to RERAIL derailed rolling stock. Needless to say, that section of trackage, for about 1.4 mile AT LEAST will require a complete UPLIFT, (of the track-sets - whatever's LEFT of hem, with the rails & sleepers removed, and the ballast removed as well, or at least leveled to about "bottom of other sleepers level, before BRAND NEW rail sets, hopefully with SCREWSPIKES and "collar & tie" (springs and a clip) inserted into pre-dilled (correctly gauged) holes, with bedplates to hold te foot of the rail at the correct gauge, whilst the screw-down spikes, compress the springs to keep compression on the clips, to hold the rail correctly, while allowing a tiny "flex" Thn more ballast should be spread between and above the sleepers, to allow a "computer controlled" Tamper / alignment machine, to force ballast under the rail-sets, as they get lifted up to the correct running height, as even more ballast is placed onto the sets, before resealing the road over the crossing.. Been there, done that sort of required maintenance, AFTER the allowing the track tolerances are left go to pot.. I spent over ten years with the NZR's Way & Works Department, doing that at major relaying event weekends, and also on smaller "general regauging work" - within the week, between trains, by the "track-gang" of men (up to 17 in the entire gang, when I left in 1981), which was ALWAYS an ongoing battle with light rail branch-lines, in the NZR, Having been given a higher paid track inspection title (along with my own-use lighter motor trolley and an assortment of "critically required tools") - it was my job to physically inspect the length of section of track, that I (one of two inspecting gangers) had been assigned to oversee on my daily runs, of higher speed "on trolley" visual inspections - as I travelled top the farthest point EVERY DAY, and which I then had to "walk" by carrying various tools, to accomplish that, (being half of the gang's ENTIRE section-length - of? 236.66km - 163.16km = 73 km total section length div d by 1of 2 halves = 36 km each Insp. Gr2 Grade 2anger ? ?????? 36 kms every 4weeks = each week for every different 9kms - every week, (inspecting EVERYTHING from boundary fence to boundary fence) as I needed to be walking & dropping down every 30feet to eye-sight the level of EACH "top rail" on both sies, whilst measuring EVERY TEN FEET - not only gauge but cant and thus looking for cross-twists that even i "not" above the maximum cant, would become doubled if two or more opposite cants occurred along a sectin of track, which could "potentially (even with perfectly "gauged" rack, lift a wheel on a 4wheel wagon or less likely on a 3wheel truck (bogie) allowing a wheel's FLANGE to lift higher than the railhead, potentially allowing that axle to drift sideways, pulling BOTH wheels on that axle of onto the ground, creating the beginning of a major derailment, if other wagons followed suit... I'm sorry, but having to do those inspections for almost ten years, while also working in the gang for longer than that time, (plus for a few years PRIOR - as a draughting cadet/ surveyor - in a district engineers office) I have had that ingrained into my brain until it's known to me better than the entire English language., even though it's been ? Over 44 years, since I "walked the run"..
It's called photo-shopping, which can be faked in a flash inside a video, but can't be used even in real life, when the "head has rolled"(meaning the entire rail has tolled 90 degrees and is now too far "out-of-gauge" to let anyone "put anything back onto "gauge" so no it cannot be done...
I think I read somewhere that rail cars like that can carry loads of around 100 tons. Rail cars are not like trucks. The weight can be massive. It would take some type of steel rail to put under the wheels. It would likely crush wood. Even a empty rail car would likely crush wood.
I'm trying to figure out what the heck they were trying to accomplish at this point?! There's a right way and a wrong way to rerail a car. And destroying even more of the track isn't it!
They used to use what was called a rerailer. If the car was close enough to the rail they fastened the rerailer down and pulled the car up and over to get back on the rail.
Not sure what he was watching or what you're laughing at but I worked for a place called MK Rail back in the 90s. It was formally called Morrison Knudsen and we were reconditioning Southern Pacific locomotives. Some of the engines we were reconditioning had rerailers attached to them. One day someone screwed with the switch and they put the front trucks on the ground, they used the rerailleur to get it back on the track. I don't really think that applies here since the whole rail is laid over
If I remember correctly the place shut down twice. When I worked there the name changed to MK Rail and there was lots of talk about the main plant up in New York and how they were trying to shut down the Mountaintop plant. In the short stint that I worked there several locomotive engines we were sent didn't pass the smoke test. By the time we were able to pull the liners, get them re- honed and reassemble the engine our contract was so far behind the powers to be shut it down again right about this time of year before Christmas of 1993 or 94 I believe. It was a really interesting job but very short lived. The guys were starting to make up unemployment Christmas songs, it was great... 😂
@brianpaul98 Left MK in 93. Later, I worked for Washington Group. Worked with URS when they bought out WGI and recently AECOM when they bought URS. Now it's Amentum. Crazy. MK was a good company.
LOOKING at the power lines 🤔that BIG Crane needs lots of room to get to the car without being near the energized lines.... track & ties will have to be replaced anyway you look at it.... pull the cars ahead to the clear area. EASY.
Why not at least decouple the last car not off the rails and then try to get the one or two back on and repair the rail? Why pull cars that are on the rails onto the rolled over rail, looks stupid to me, but I don't work there, maybe tearing things up is the Rail Road Way?
When the last car it put back on the good track to the right of the camera, it can continue along it's merry way and the tracks can be repaired/replaced.
Sorry, I can't understand, why they kept on rolling, after the first spikes popped. Did they honestly expect, that after the derailed bogey twisted the rail out of kilter, that the bogey might magically climb into the rail again, and the trailing cars would *not* fall into the hole of widened track, the derailed bogey has torn? This is a sure way, to maximize the damage to the rail.
I think it is close to a crossing. Most crossing has a setup that will push a wheel that has come off the track back onto the track. I suspect that is what they were trying to do. It's really hard to tell in the video tho. If they had turned the video left and right a bit, then maybe we could tell what was ahead of the train.
We will be waiting for your video on Sunday for sure. Glad you took the time to make this one.
Sunday's video will be epic!
This is actually the first time I’ve seen any train related video where I see spikes flying. LOL
Well they picked a good spot to derail as you can watch and video and they can’t run you off and say you are trespassing. Thanks Jason for being on scene and bringing this live rerailing action!
Glad you enjoyed the action. It was quite a show!
I thought this was click bait but it isn't. This video actually delivers what it promises! Thanks for posting!
Those spikes where playing the symphony of destruction 😂
The train didn't leave the tracks, the track left the train.
Yes, saw those spikes a' poppin', thanks for the interesting derailment video.
@@mariofilippi3539 oh you could here them just a popping
Wow, that’s an interesting video! I hope they get it resolved 🎉
I hope so too.. Ever see spikes pop out like that under tension?
@ No I don’t think so.
Shout out to Jaw Tooth
Thank you for the update.
Lack of maintenance has karma. Dave
Keep us informed Jason! Thanks
Deferring maintenance and reducing inspections is a way to "save" money.
Could have been a broken wheel or axel.
@@toplarry Did you respond to the wrong post? Because that was a non-sequiter.
Looking forward to your full video Jason ... wow, what great coverage ... thanks again Jason for all of the videos you do for those who can't be there with you.
Thanks for the support! The full video is coming soon
I first thought the uploader didnt pay attention to how he put spikes fly instead of sparks fly BUT he had it right ... wow it is spikes flying!
i "misread" it the other way at first.... i thought it said "sparks fly" instead of "spikes fly".....lol
Going off the rails on the crazy train...... Ozzie Osborne.
Oohh I love that song!!
These spur or branch tracks that Class 1 railroads spun off, are generally not well maintained, have low speed limits because of poor track condition, and will eventually be abandoned. In the meantime on this trackage, Jason keeps us informed as to the day to day operations up there in cold country. Watching from a beach front condo near Vero Beach, Florida 78 degrees today. Thanks J.
Another great video. I can’t believe the quick response to resetting the freight cars.
I would not be standing in the landing zone if one of those unstable center beams decided to go turtle it could be a really bad day.
Well , it is what it is and this happens all the time. Good to see that there is forward movement of the rerailing. Thanks for the update! Hope there will be one or two more .
Someone going to be busy next week w/track repairs 😮
When can we expect the next episode of "off the rails" with Jason Asselin? This video was fantastic, showing the in depth part of train operations.
Thanks for this one Jason!
Derailments happen on every line. It’s a fact of life. Signals break; it’s a fact of life. In my years of service and then management , we deal with them. What I have never understood about this company, is why they haven’t invested more in upgrades, preventive maintenance, and some paint, to make their engines look more attractive. They are a successful company, but no one would know that.
just cry me a river.
@@JOHNNYCARROLL-f9e You know, if they would upgrade the crossing devices, they would have far less grief. Those older systems relies on bond wires and batteries. When a bond wire breaks, often in cold weather, or a battery dies, it automatically activates the flashers.
@@garydreamweaver I've been working for the same class 1 for 20 years. Been involved in 1 derailment, but I've only seen 7 minor derailments in that 20 years. These guys literally derail once a month.. this company is a joke
@@JOHNNYCARROLL-f9e Are you 12 years old flake
@ I agree; they’re pathetic. I was the rail ops director for a short line for approximately seven years; I have never seen anything like them before, either. I feel sorry for their employees
Good way to chew the track up.Extra overtime work just in time for Christmas.
You got that right!
Great stuff Jason. You are going to blow up the internet with this coverage!
Congratulations.
Live every minute you record!
Wow, thanks!
Oh good I think we all were looking for this type of video keep us posted 👍
At first, I was like this title sucks. BUT.... I was wrong. GREAT VIDEO.
Wonderful footage of a process to rerail! Thanks for sharing!
Yeah.. It's crazy how they get these things back on the tracks.
@ fantastic filming by You!! Jason you are the best!
You weren’t kidding about flying spikes holey moley
Hey Jason !!! WOW !!! Now they can replace the rails & ALL the spikes along with ""NEW Ties !!! 🤔🙄 Thanks for staying with it as surly those cars will take 24 hr. to be back on the rails !! 👍👍👍👍👍
Jason...Have you ever got dates of mfg. off the rails?? I bet you can't find one newer than 1930.
The age of the rails is really not that important... the age of the ties are what matters... 90lb rail will work just fine for 286k cars, as long as the ties hold the rails firm.
Nice teaser .. surely looking forward to your vid of the whole process tomorrow.
I bet MOW was thrilled. 😅😅😅😅
Made a statement last year. Those new loads of siding are very heavy and they mare going to test the integrating of this roadbed.
Well that's an expensive way to test things out!
There really are spikes flying!
Nice catch Jason. I drove past there today but there wasn’t much going on.
Failure maintenance instead of preventative maintenance.
EXACTLY!!!! I mean why would you fix something that's not broke... Yet 😳
Will the rails be replaced, or will it just be new ties with some ballast? Stay tuned!
I've got it! These people are writing a book titled "How not to operate a railroad." And this is the first chapter. 😂
They rolled the rail on that line because they're not using enough spikes to hold the rail. Not to mention substandard ties.
That track is probably 80 years old and hasn’t had real maintenance since the 60s
You have no idea the amount of rail that I’ve seen that is not spiked all the way down to hold the rail properly.
Plenty of spikes. They’re all loose
They do very little maintenance to that line let alone the locomotives they have the ex Conrail down with electrical issues and the F unit is down with traction motor issues all they care about is the money
@@mrfingerlakes8735
Looks like the perfect railroad to see derailments. :)
Great Catch!!!
Of what this trian was off the rails
If Abbot and Costello owned a railroad
The Keystone Kops.
Rule #1 of rerailing without cranes: never work into where you derailed, always go back toward the PD. Rule #2 of rerailing without cranes: Once one axle of a truck has crossed over on a loaded car, you lose. Call a crane. The fact they have one sitting there and are beating their brains in is fascinating.
Add power lines in ever direction and over head..
I thought you misspelled "sparks"..
Nope, spikes went flying.
If that is selected Cedar siding on that A Frame?, about $300k per car. I think it's the "cheap stuff" at $160k a car.
Looks like some units shifted into each other when it jumped and destroyed the ends.
The cost goes up, the value goes down, when ANYTHING jumps the tracks.
Check your board ends when you purchase at the lumberyard.
Our train transit is in a accelerated state of decay. It needs attention.
Yeah Home Depot will hide it in a bundle and then claim the customer damaged it. Normal solution.
@trainguy55-f6q I was a loader for a lumber mill and loaded uncountable A frames loaded with Pac Northwest lumber products, bound for Cali.. Very careful loading of the units was instilled. The cable wraps had to be Inspected with every car. We would shove the loaded cars back down the siding with the forklift to make room for the next. A guy on the front "driving" to set the hand brake quick when it snuggled up to the others on the siding. I never "bunched up" one car in 9 years, with a hard shunt and split the board ends like the above. I seen it done, and fixed some else's mistake, but never me.
Larkin just needs to sell this railroad already... to someone who know how to run a successful railroad. Seems like it's been a steady circling of the drain since he's owned it. A little maintenance, and maybe some marketing would do wonders.
Never seen spikes popping out of the ground like that 😨😨😨😮😮😮😮😮
Small railroad, lacking sufficient track maintenance. Money thin for proper upkeep.
well written ! In Germany this railroad would be shut down !!
If Larkin still owns the E&LS he needs to stick about 300,000 ties in just between green bay and pembine. From pembine north to Wells it would be about the same amount. I talked to the ELS crews when they came into the CN yard in GB all the time. When I was still working for CN back in 2016 and they said it was bad then. I can't imagine doing more than 10 mph on that railroad.
The Toonerville Trolly had better trackage!
For all you genius '. A rerailer is totally useless when the rail is rolled flat on the side! 🤦👎😡
what is that banging noise? Is that despite popping out of the ties.
Jason, THANKS for getting this video …..
Always interesting to see how the real railroad handles derailments. Betcha they wish they could use an 0-5-0 hand for derailments…… 🙃
Rails spiked into rotten timber.
All they had to do was double wedges under top of rail it would have quit rolling & cars would have climbed back on
I would have to say number one you're older and number two you learn things back when people actually knew what they were doing.
@brianpaul98 i spent 25 yrs putting cars on tracks summer & winter , also drove a 100 ton crane
I honestly don't understand this logic the track is already rolled so they just keep pulling more cars over it to make it worse??? Why not disconnect the cars we see right in front of us and back up the cars behind and pull the other cars ahead so that you're not running all the cars over the bad tracks? I don't see there being a problem with them sitting there it's not like any other trains are going to be coming through until that's fixed?
I guess the crane crew feels it's a better option to just lay all the rail cars on their side then they'll be out of the way so they can fix the tracks... 🤣🤣🤣
To do that they would have to bring in another locomotive to move the cars at the rear. That takes more time and costs more. Besides watching the spikes popping out like that looks great on video.
I guess if they thought ahead and disconnected the cars back a little ways that would also work... Flying railroad spikes.. you're right about that
Well done video! Thank you. Done legally off railroad property so they have no righto complain. Are they hoping to re-rail athe grade crossing so the rail cannot roll out held in place by the pavement? No switches so no way to do one railcar at a time?
I was thinking just like in Ho scale and N scale a rerailer similar to the railroad crossing. I hope that track doesn't cause anymore problems for other freight trains on this route. Great video scenes & enjoyed watching. 👍
They did have a rerailer on hand, but that wasn't the way to go for this one.
Looks like industrial track. The train will be heading East any moment. The contractors know what they're doing.
@@toplarry East? I hope not!
@@jasonasselin Har to tell from this picture. Wild guess.
Mind blowing.
good train video
The entire operation looks to thin with equipment, management of resources, and safety, well you saw the whole thing on film.
time for ELS to get new rails.
I guess they don't have a rerailer device to help them in this situation.
dont think u can re-rail onto a tipped-over rail. I think they did the best they could, given the location. get it close to the crane if you can. you are NOT going to send an engine down a tipped rail.
How would that work on rolled rail?
If my father was living he wouldnt have believed it! A railway worse then his favorite employer....the Chicago Rock Island & Pacific 😂😂😂
They are pulling the cars up to the track that is not rolled over. There the rerailers are installed to get the cars up onto the ball of the rail. As long as the trucks stay aligned it should work out ok.
But what does it do to the wheels? Flanges?
@tomroise9426 they will get put to clear untill the carmen inspect the derailed cars before they can be put back into service.
If you were standing there watching the rail get folded over and spikes shooting out would you just keep going? Obviously there's a problem with their solution...
@brianpaul98 that is one of many hazards of derailments, those guy's are aware of what can happen. It's not a place for the newbies for sure.
Quite the mess
they really do something strange. 1st - decouple it, 1 car at a time! 2nd - why they just pull it? Portable rerailer under the wheel and it pops back to rail instantly, not dragging on sleepers destroying everything around.
I can see the rails being unrolled. Rerailer won't help here.
Those things don't work as easily and well as you are intimating.
@royreynolds108 nope, I do know how they work. Easy and reliable. Put it in position and pull, gravity does not make errors.
The single problem is - you do have to repair rails after, if it fell once it repeats again, especially after such forced rerailing.
Looks like what they were doing wouldn't help -- just keeps spreading the rails.
If you see the fat guy there waving his arms when the rail car almost fell over? He was just waiting for the problem to fix itself then they could all go have a beer for a job well done. Surprise Surprise
That’ll do!
They might as well stop while they're behind, they are tearing their own tracks up!
You'll might need an Atlas rerailer!
How would a rerailer work on rolled rail?
Use the "grade crossing"! 😉
Those are actually rail anchors being knocked off the wheels. It's not spikes.
None of the workers let me get close to see, I'll take your word for it and this can be our secret. lmao
@jasonasselin those rail anchors can be dangerous when knocking them on and knocking them off when installing rail or ties. They make that distinctive ping you heard when they were flying off. Keep up the good work with the filming. I enjoy your videos and don't worry, I will also keep it a secret!!! LOL
@@CSXtrackworkerthank you for the education
It had them flinching, I was snickering inside.
This hole area of track really needs a full rest!
Did you mean "whole"?
typical "lack" of track inspections and no "summertime" regauging done, as all this was 100% preventable as all it took, was enough "out-of-gauge" slack in the (useless plain square shank) dog spikes, that get forced up and don't go down, whenever the track is subjected to overweight loads, until the dog spikes cannot keep the foot of the rail "lifting" as old wheel sets roll along track that's gauge is too wide, until at first, ONE axle (with it's TWO attached wheels), pops OFF the track, angling the other axle on that bogie until it "forces the rail to tilt outwards" - forcing more spikes to "let go, or snap their worn heads off" (in the cold) and you have the first rolled rail giving several inches extra width to that loose gauge, followed by every single double-axle bogie dropping at least one axle off the track, forcing even more "rail heads" to roll, and soon, you have every wagon behind that first one, rolling the rail more until these sideways turned bogies go "on holiday" drifting wherever the hell they wish, as the :train" drops ONTO the ground, ruining every spike and rolling rails on both sides (if the Multi-wagon" derailment can).
Pulling them ahead, slowly (with the loco) only make for a whole lot of EXTRA work for the track crew later, but "thankfully, at road crossings, the RAIL is held tighter by the road's bitumen tarseal, forcing the "off-tracked" bogies to "re-align themselves", BACK onto the track (after the crossing) meaning yes, it's expensive, but it works, to RERAIL derailed rolling stock.
Needless to say, that section of trackage, for about 1.4 mile AT LEAST will require a complete UPLIFT, (of the track-sets - whatever's LEFT of hem, with the rails & sleepers removed, and the ballast removed as well, or at least leveled to about "bottom of other sleepers level, before BRAND NEW rail sets, hopefully with SCREWSPIKES and "collar & tie" (springs and a clip) inserted into pre-dilled (correctly gauged) holes, with bedplates to hold te foot of the rail at the correct gauge, whilst the screw-down spikes, compress the springs to keep compression on the clips, to hold the rail correctly, while allowing a tiny "flex"
Thn more ballast should be spread between and above the sleepers, to allow a "computer controlled" Tamper / alignment machine, to force ballast under the rail-sets, as they get lifted up to the correct running height, as even more ballast is placed onto the sets, before resealing the road over the crossing..
Been there, done that sort of required maintenance, AFTER the allowing the track tolerances are left go to pot..
I spent over ten years with the NZR's Way & Works Department, doing that at major relaying event weekends, and also on smaller "general regauging work" - within the week, between trains, by the "track-gang" of men (up to 17 in the entire gang, when I left in 1981), which was ALWAYS an ongoing battle with light rail branch-lines, in the NZR,
Having been given a higher paid track inspection title (along with my own-use lighter motor trolley and an assortment of "critically required tools") - it was my job to physically inspect the length of section of track, that I (one of two inspecting gangers) had been assigned to oversee on my daily runs, of higher speed "on trolley" visual inspections - as I travelled top the farthest point EVERY DAY, and which I then had to "walk" by carrying various tools, to accomplish that, (being half of the gang's ENTIRE section-length - of?
236.66km - 163.16km = 73 km total section length div d by 1of 2 halves = 36 km each Insp. Gr2 Grade 2anger ?
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36 kms every 4weeks = each week for every different 9kms - every week, (inspecting EVERYTHING from boundary fence to boundary fence) as I needed to be walking & dropping down every 30feet to eye-sight the level of EACH "top rail" on both sies, whilst measuring EVERY TEN FEET - not only gauge but cant and thus looking for cross-twists that even i "not" above the maximum cant, would become doubled if two or more opposite cants occurred along a sectin of track, which could "potentially (even with perfectly "gauged" rack, lift a wheel on a 4wheel wagon or less likely on a 3wheel truck (bogie) allowing a wheel's FLANGE to lift higher than the railhead, potentially allowing that axle to drift sideways, pulling BOTH wheels on that axle of onto the ground, creating the beginning of a major derailment, if other wagons followed suit...
I'm sorry, but having to do those inspections for almost ten years, while also working in the gang for longer than that time, (plus for a few years PRIOR - as a draughting cadet/ surveyor - in a district engineers office) I have had that ingrained into my brain until it's known to me better than the entire English language., even though it's been ?
Over 44 years, since I "walked the run"..
Thank you for your service and that full explanation sounds like you know what you are talking about 😄
That one guy seems way too close to those rails no?
Zoom lenses no doubt
Cool video Jason! They need to do more maintenance on their tracks and just maybe they could keep the trains on the tracks!🤷♂️🤦♂️
They're either crazy, drunk, untrained or just don't care.
They know what they are doing.
It sure looks it... Where was this monkey ass nonsense going on anyway???
Carbon steel popcorn.
There's probably rail available in the abandoned lines, but it's probably too lightweight and too much work to pull it out quickly.
I thought that car was going over.
WoW !!!
Um, why did they keep going?!
Can’t they jam something in there, like a timber or piece of steel wedge and cause the car to jump back up onto the track?
I've seen a re-rail equipment video on TH-cam, pretty cool and efficient 👌
The track to the left of the crane was rolled. They had to pull the cars forward to good track to rerail.
It's called photo-shopping, which can be faked in a flash inside a video, but can't be used even in real life, when the "head has rolled"(meaning the entire rail has tolled 90 degrees and is now too far "out-of-gauge" to let anyone "put anything back onto "gauge" so no it cannot be done...
I think I read somewhere that rail cars like that can carry loads of around 100 tons. Rail cars are not like trucks. The weight can be massive. It would take some type of steel rail to put under the wheels. It would likely crush wood. Even a empty rail car would likely crush wood.
Wouldn’t it be better to re rail one car at a time? Just asking
You might be able to remix the bell-like ringing noises into something like "Carol of The Spikes".
Hope the crossing will re-rail it.
Mickey Mouse railways. 3rd world rail tracks! Dumb & dumber!
I'm trying to figure out what the heck they were trying to accomplish at this point?! There's a right way and a wrong way to rerail a car. And destroying even more of the track isn't it!
Power lines in the air.
Slowly but surely.
You neglected to mention where this is located?
The fourth world nation known as the USA.
They used to use what was called a rerailer. If the car was close enough to the rail they fastened the rerailer down and pulled the car up and over to get back on the rail.
What were you watching? Try again... LMFAO
Not sure what he was watching or what you're laughing at but I worked for a place called MK Rail back in the 90s. It was formally called Morrison Knudsen and we were reconditioning Southern Pacific locomotives. Some of the engines we were reconditioning had rerailers attached to them. One day someone screwed with the switch and they put the front trucks on the ground, they used the rerailleur to get it back on the track. I don't really think that applies here since the whole rail is laid over
@brianpaul98
MK Rail. The great Morrison Knudsen, ruined by Bill Agee and his train obsession.
If I remember correctly the place shut down twice. When I worked there the name changed to MK Rail and there was lots of talk about the main plant up in New York and how they were trying to shut down the Mountaintop plant. In the short stint that I worked there several locomotive engines we were sent didn't pass the smoke test. By the time we were able to pull the liners, get them re- honed and reassemble the engine our contract was so far behind the powers to be shut it down again right about this time of year before Christmas of 1993 or 94 I believe. It was a really interesting job but very short lived. The guys were starting to make up unemployment Christmas songs, it was great... 😂
@brianpaul98
Left MK in 93. Later, I worked for Washington Group. Worked with URS when they bought out WGI and recently AECOM when they bought URS. Now it's Amentum. Crazy. MK was a good company.
LOOKING at the power lines 🤔that BIG Crane needs lots of room to get to the car without being near the energized lines.... track & ties will have to be replaced anyway you look at it.... pull the cars ahead to the clear area. EASY.
At this point, why use the rail at all?
Why not at least decouple the last car not off the rails and then try to get the one or two back on and repair the rail? Why pull cars that are on the rails onto the rolled over rail, looks stupid to me, but I don't work there, maybe tearing things up is the Rail Road Way?
When the last car it put back on the good track to the right of the camera, it can continue along it's merry way and the tracks can be repaired/replaced.
talk about being on the ground! wow that is so scary!
Damndest rerail I ever saw, I must say. They might want to think about investing in some spikes, and I dunno, some of them there tie things
Thats in the next video. lol
crazy
I would not call that an ideal way to rerail a car.
No car was rerailed in this video.
@@jasonasselin I did not say it was. That is why it not an ideal way to rerail a car.
That is gonna take weeks of enduring sub-zero temps to fix those rails and get the train moving again...
Temps are on their way up. 40 degrees in the eastern U.P. at 11:15 p.m.on Saturday.
Where I work we use premade panels to replace damaged sections of rail. The track can be reopened in only a few days
Looks very much like the same incident You showed in another video a short time ago.
Every so often you have to replace those wood things or they quit holding the rail down.
I believe they're called crossties!
The sleepers (or crossties) aren't there to keep the rails down, they're there to keep them aligned,
At this point they call it mush. lol
Sorry, I can't understand, why they kept on rolling, after the first spikes popped. Did they honestly expect, that after the derailed bogey twisted the rail out of kilter, that the bogey might magically climb into the rail again, and the trailing cars would *not* fall into the hole of widened track, the derailed bogey has torn? This is a sure way, to maximize the damage to the rail.
I think it is close to a crossing. Most crossing has a setup that will push a wheel that has come off the track back onto the track. I suspect that is what they were trying to do. It's really hard to tell in the video tho. If they had turned the video left and right a bit, then maybe we could tell what was ahead of the train.
Those idiots were accomplishing nothing.
Oh, they accomplished more destruction
Looks like the track was breaking
The spikes were being flung