I believe the only option you have besides the D300,D500, & D700 dual GPUs is to use a Thunderbolt eGPU setup. I have the dual D700 setup in mine and it's surprisingly snappy for current stuff that I do with it, but I don't do anything extremely demanding on that machine. I have a gaming PC for the stuff that requires more grunt.
@@NjazmoNah. He sleeps with the liver he sole from that teenager who was on the transplant list well before he was and would probably be alive if Jobs hadn't paid to jump to the front of the queue.
@@zybchyou know the transplant list doesn’t work chronologically, right? It’s whoever needs it the most and can get to it in time. It doesn’t matter at all when you get on the list. It’s given to whoever can get there within 4 hours and who needs it the most. Little Timmy really, really needs it but can’t get there? Sucks to suck. Similarly he’s already there but doesn’t need it quite as bad as someone else? There’s a salesman selling child-sized coffins on the second floor. The adverse is also true with a rich person, he doesn’t need it but can get there? Cry into your money. Desperately needs it but his private air fleet all broke down? Sad panda…
I got burned out watching tech videos a few months back. Except for Dawid. He makes these so much fun to watch, that I get happy when I see a new one posted.
Considering the M.2 standard came out in November 2013 with this computer being also from 2013 it being proprietary ain‘t that unexpected, I am more annoyed that the more modern machines don’t have M.2…
@ophmuller3511 Considering Apple, it's funny how they didn't make propietary processor nor memory. They're good at copying shit from everyone, and then "making" their own, which is "think different" -mentality.
I noticed this with the MacBook Air. My 2015 11" came with a 128GB drive and my M.2 drive (970 Evo) didn't look the same. I had gotten it as a dead liquid damage machine for $50 in 2015, then fixed it for $27 more with a new Magsafe 2 I/O board. A friend also had to RMA their 11" MacBook Air, so I traded batteries with them and got their 114 cycle battery while they got my 600+ cycle battery that got swapped under their AppleCare. The solution for the memory was a bit tricky. I ended up buying two more parts 13" Air machines, selling them through repairs (LCD swaps, housing swaps, etc.), then having 256GB drives left over. Instead of using one of those, I traded both 256GB drives and the 128GB drive to a fellow refurbisher for a 512GB MacBook Pro drive; now my tiny 11" Air has a decent 512GB of onboard storage. Still running great in 2024. I can't believe next year will make 10 years in my ownership. Still haven't gotten lucky with the M-chip Macs, everything I have in my collection is either Intel or PowerPC.
I wanted one so bad back then. Sooner or later I will get one just as a collector's item and for nostalgia. This thing will be capable of everyday browsing and E-Mail tasks for years to come.
Yeah thats what I've been doing with late 2000's HP HDX laptops lately like the HDX 9000 and the HDX 18T, they're old enough to be found for like a hundred bucks, but still oddly usable once you give it some TLC and do as many in-place upgrades as possible. Heck my HDX 18T can run Windows 10 just fine. The poor HDX 9000 is limited to an 800mhz FSB so no Core 2 Quad for it, so I upgraded that as far as it'll go, enjoyed it, and now its boxed back up in its original box as a collectors item/museum piece, as 20.1" laptops are rare.
I bought one a year or two ago as a home server (running Mac OS) Thing works super well. Monterrey is still more than enough, especially since the Mac Mini server I was using ran Catalina. Automatic backups, Jellyfin, Airmessage, NAS, Compressor over network, and whatever else I want to throw at it. I paid around $850 CAD for a system with the 3.0Ghz 8 core Xeon, 64GB of DDR3 ECC, 1TB SSD, dual D500. Compared to an M1 Mac Mini, it's an absolute steal.
idk, some of their stuff would be pretty lame no matter who made it, but I also understand that some of it would be significantly cooler if it was just less "appley" but I think I get the vibe, can't really blame the 8gb ram sticks for being soldiered and sold at a 10x markup. The sticks didn't do that to themselves.
While I agree with a lot of things, I feel like if Intel made the M-series chips, the battery life on the Macbooks would be like 25% of what it is. Were it made by most PC manufacturers, instead of sleek and sturdy aluminum body - it would be made of flimsy plastic. Apple isn't the best at everything, but they have had their wins over the years. I use MacOS far more than I use Windows. (I'm kind of OS agnostic, not a fanboy - I run Linux, MacOS, Windows [10&11 currently], BSD, and I usually have at least one tinker system running something like Haiku or some other alternative system.) The problem is that Apple designs for normies, creatives, and people that aren't as concerned with flexibility and geekier pursuits. I think the Mac Pro that followed this was worse, because it's bigger, but still has too much going on inside that's proprietary. And don't get me started on the fucking $699 case wheels, or the $999 display stand!
@@sbrazenor2 Similarily priced windows laptops are not made of flimsy plastic. a lot of budget gaming laptops are but that's because the people who buy those do not care whether it's made of plastic or metal.
@@kirby1225 I have used computers in the same price range that felt cheap and flimsy. Not all of them are, I agree, but many. I have laptops I got for $100 that feel solid, on the other end of that, so I was just making a generalization.
@@sbrazenor2 Came here to say this, so yeah - me, too. I use Macs at work and home for normal productivity stuff, because I like Unix and macOS is the nicest desktop Unix around (yeah, yeah...YMMV). I also have a Windows desktop I built myself for gaming.
Bootcamp is known to use older versions of drivers. You should consider updating the video cards drivers and retry gaming. Hopefully that improves performance.
Glass would be hillariously expensive in this application unless you somehow found an off the shelf jar or tube that was somehow the exact right size, but maybe some high quality acrylic or something to mantain the overall shape and see all the insides would be a neat case mod.
That's one of the things I hate the most about Apple's decisions with this computer. I have one, and unless I get an adapter for an M.2 drive, I'm stuck with that proprietary non-sense and there are very limited options available for replacements.
@@christophmuller3511 the trashcan was made from 2013, onward. M.2 was available from 2012. They could have either used it, or a different key variant to use SATA compatible drives. (Slower, but more options.)
About 5 years ago I picked up the base model on eBay and then had fun upgrading it to a 12-core CPU, D500, and 64GB RAM. I thought it was gorgeous and, hooked up to an external GPU, it gamed nicely. I finally sold it and made the transition to Apple silicon.
Towel... Why that brings always to my mind Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy and quote about man and his towel.... Quote; “A towel, [The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy] says, is about the most massively useful thing an interstellar hitchhiker can have. Partly it has great practical value. You can wrap it around you for warmth as you bound across the cold moons of Jaglan Beta; you can lie on it on the brilliant marble-sanded beaches of Santraginus V, inhaling the heady sea vapors; you can sleep under it beneath the stars which shine so redly on the desert world of Kakrafoon; use it to sail a miniraft down the slow heavy River Moth; wet it for use in hand-to-hand-combat; wrap it round your head to ward off noxious fumes or avoid the gaze of the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal (such a mind-boggingly stupid animal, it assumes that if you can't see it, it can't see you); you can wave your towel in emergencies as a distress signal, and of course dry yourself off with it if it still seems to be clean enough.”
Bought one a few years ago. It now has 64gb of ram, a 12 core cpu, and a thunderbolt 27" monitor. And, with having an m2 and a stupid powerful gaming PC, I enjoy using it more than any other PC in the house.
I used to run Windows 7 on my 2012 Macbook Pro for about a decade as my main OS, just partition divided hard drive and easy install off of ISO. Back then their devices did actually have the end user usability in mind - unlike now where they just have the end user wallet in mind.
Apple designers then: "What should it look like? How about a...trash can?" Apple designers now: "What should it look like? How about a...cheese grater?" Apple designers in the future: "What should it look like? How about a litter box? a toilet? a microwave? a...???"
The old Mac Pro was a cheese grater, then there was the trash can, and then a more aggressive cheese grater. Now, the pro option is just an obese Mac Mini.
Have one there not bad as long as you do a lot of bs 1. Replace all thermal paste 2. Replace drive with new m2 sata ssd with adapter to avoid apples proprietary ssd bs 3. Install a os once installed quickly install mac fan control and crank to the max unless you want to overheat
Very surprised at GTA performance on that unit, more over the D500 performance. Now to test it out running Linux and updated Linux drivers :-) Excellent video!
I have this thing with D300 GPUs but either I cannot find the right drivers on Fedora despite allowing proprietary drivers, or the drivers just suck. I couldn't get a game like Omega Strikers to work, and running Kdenlive with GPU acceleration makes it crash. Dunno if it's the distro that sucks, or the drivers, or coincidentally Omega Strikers and Kdenlive are just not playing nicely with these GPUs.
@@iplyrunescape305 For some odd reason the D300s are always much harder it seems to get working. On Debian flavours, the D500/700s even in CrossFire work with the default drivers very well, I believe I have some links somewhere specifically related to these ATI series GPUs under Linux I will dig up.
I still have this Mac Pro in my office next to my desk, it is my personal test machine. Is is still pleasant to work with (note that I'm REALLY disgusted by the newer apple products).
you could do tests after cleaning too to see if there is any performance gain, simple and cheap 64gb ram upgrade, faster msata ssd or cpu upgrade test would be nice too
You can use an adapter for SSD and use nvme SSD. It's apples proprietary nvme connector. Adapters are your friend Also add software to control fan speed
4:26 People often say that apple devices get support for so long yet I have several ipod touch and ipads that work perfectly fine but cant run anything. Even the homebrew side sucks because of how poorly backed up old apps are.
Hey Dawid! If you still have this, you should install ‘Macs fan control’ on both the Windows and MacOS sides and re-benchmark some things to see how it really can perform. Apple is notorious for favoring ‘quiet’ over ‘cool’, and the default fan curves are usually trash ESPECIALLY for Windows. But with MFC you can crank the fan(s) to full blast. There are also more recent custom/community made drivers for gaming on these in Windows :)
I used a 12 core Xeon E5-2697 v-2 with dual D700s for a couple of years and it was whisper quiet. I ran windows 10 better than MacOS to be honest. Its now a streaming computer for a church I donated it to during the pandemic!
running window 11 now - i have a few of these - PS its not a SATA - its apple NVME - tried a gen 4 m.2 with converter - no go - only gen 3 nvme (so far) tested it with a gen4 sabrent 1tb
15:33 I mean you'd be suprised how many expensive machines and GPUs do that. What I've noticed from years of working with Apple products in the intel generation is that they comply to the application that the OEMs provide (e.g. memory chip, CPU, GPU). Thus it's likely that the dimension of the thermal pad exactly as the OEM specified (you can search it up maybe and check it yourself). Moreover, if they weren't thermally constrained, their laptops would allow the intel CPU to full clock speed, on battery, which to this day isn't done by gaming laptops. Nontheless, it's interesting to see someone reviewing this device with a completely blind lol.
“A towel, it says, is about the most massively useful thing an interstellar hitchhiker can have. Partly it has great practical value - you can wrap it around you for warmth as you bound across the cold moons of Jaglan Beta; you can lie on it on the brilliant marble-sanded beaches of Santraginus V, inhaling the heady sea vapours; you can sleep under it beneath the stars which shine so redly on the desert world of Kakrafoon; use it to sail a mini raft down the slow heavy river Moth; wet it for use in hand-to- hand-combat; wrap it round your head to ward off noxious fumes or to avoid the gaze of the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal (a mindboggingly stupid animal, it assumes that if you can't see it, it can't see you - daft as a bush, but very ravenous); you can wave your towel in emergencies as a distress signal, and of course dry yourself off with it if it still seems to be clean enough. More importantly, a towel has immense psychological value. For some reason, if a strag (strag: non-hitch hiker) discovers that a hitch hiker has his towel with him, he will automatically assume that he is also in possession of a toothbrush, face flannel, soap, tin of biscuits, flask, compass, map, ball of string, gnat spray, wet weather gear, space suit etc., etc. Furthermore, the strag will then happily lend the hitch hiker any of these or a dozen other items that the hitch hiker might accidentally have "lost". What the strag will think is that any man who can hitch the length and breadth of the galaxy, rough it, slum it, struggle against terrible odds, win through, and still knows where his towel is is clearly a man to be reckoned with.” ― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
Hallo boet! I literally just picked up one of these in Surrey off of Craigslist I inherited a Promise Thunderbolt 2 - 6 drive RAID array that I needed an older Mac to access. It was either this Trashcan or an older Mac Mini for roughly the same price, but this one is way cooler So, now I've using it for UNRAID with a 6x6tb 30TB array and I'm very happy
Great vid Dawid. I hope Deepcool like your sponsor slots as you nail them! Great to see Apple never change, also interesting to see there’s not much difference gaming on an ancient Mac Pro to a M2 Mac. Both leave you disappointed.
Despite my pledge to never go back, I'm now going to spend most of my Saturday looking for moded examples of this, which I will aspire to emulate. Thanks, Dawid.
I remember being in the mid 2000s and being envious of the Mac products. Looked so futuristic and sleek. And it 'couldn't get viruses'. When I went into graphic design as a college degree in 2010 they recommended MacBook Pro laptops and I got the upgraded i7 model with 4GB RAM. And that's when I started to learn what a sham Apple was. Aside from an iPod nano and iPod Touch I had in middle school and high school, that was the only Apple computer I ever owned. Since then I've always built my own PCs and used Windows, and bought Galaxy and Pixel android phones. And I just feel so bad for everyone who buys into the sham of crApple.
The stability or rather lack of is probably caused due to abysmal AMD drivers from that era, especially with two GPUs on board. Windows installation is NOT altered by Boot Camp whatsoever
"Fan curve was to conservative which led to a lot of gpu failures." That's a feature, not a bug. Can't have their devices being used for too long. Planned obsolescence, baby.
Wow, I'm actually impressed it survived all of that too. _Next up is attempting to upgrade it. Lol_ Also, side note, you still need to update the Minecraft server info in your descriptions, as we're on Java 1.20.2, not 1.19.3. Turtle also removed multi-version support so *only* 1.20.2 players will be able to join it from either Java or Bedrock.
I want one of these. It could make a passable late '90s/2000s retro gaming PC if you can install Windows 7 or XP on it. You'd need a USB optical drive to install anything but you could use nocd cracks to avoid having to leave it plugged in full time.. Or it could be an awesome general purpose Linux machine. A GPU mod other than the dual D700 option would make for a fun modding challenge. I'm thinking RX550.
9:15 Given that the system is known to look like a _"trash can"_ and those GPUs are _Fire_ Pro's in Cross _fire_ mode... It was a "dumpster fire" all along.
Thank you, for posting this fun video. I have always, loved the design (but, not the very high price tag) of Apple's space gray "trash can" Mac Pro. A couple of years, after the used price of these units started to "Drop like a Rock" had to decide to either buy Apple's new M-1 "Mac Studio" desktop or a used "trash can" Mac Pro. For about $1,000, I picked-up off of Ebay a "trash can" Mac Pro 8-core/D-700/64GB/1TB SSD model (smile...smile).
THANK YOU DAWID! You confirmed what I've been saying to these religious Mac Zealots for years that they've been lying to themselves about their macs...
i still use one of these at work, gets everything done just fine still for graphics design and even runs davinci ressolve with no issues for 4k video believe it or not
try the 3rd party Nimeze drivers for those AMD cards, i don't know a lot about apple, but if you can install those it might help with your gaming situation.
You can use modded AMD drivers which include some modern features, namely Amernime drivers, which include support for older GPU, for the fireproof d500, the Legacy GCN version could work, maybe allow us to boot newer games.
Now fit a 4090 in it,
Like salvage a laptop motherboard and fit one inside the case(if required)
well, it has thunderbolt
I believe the only option you have besides the D300,D500, & D700 dual GPUs is to use a Thunderbolt eGPU setup. I have the dual D700 setup in mine and it's surprisingly snappy for current stuff that I do with it, but I don't do anything extremely demanding on that machine. I have a gaming PC for the stuff that requires more grunt.
Using an eGPU is too civilized and unfun,we need something more "sophisticated"
My god, I’m not even almost skilled enough to do something like that.
I've put a M1 Mac mini's logic board in mine. Video about it soon.
Ah yes, the burial urn of Steve Jobs
He sleeps with the trash can.
Totally made me think of an urn too when I saw this. Curious what other CPU options are compatible with this hardware?
@@NjazmoNah. He sleeps with the liver he sole from that teenager who was on the transplant list well before he was and would probably be alive if Jobs hadn't paid to jump to the front of the queue.
Ah yes another “Ah Yes” comment.
@@zybchyou know the transplant list doesn’t work chronologically, right?
It’s whoever needs it the most and can get to it in time.
It doesn’t matter at all when you get on the list. It’s given to whoever can get there within 4 hours and who needs it the most. Little Timmy really, really needs it but can’t get there? Sucks to suck. Similarly he’s already there but doesn’t need it quite as bad as someone else? There’s a salesman selling child-sized coffins on the second floor.
The adverse is also true with a rich person, he doesn’t need it but can get there? Cry into your money. Desperately needs it but his private air fleet all broke down? Sad panda…
I got burned out watching tech videos a few months back. Except for Dawid. He makes these so much fun to watch, that I get happy when I see a new one posted.
well, get yourself one of these macs then every time you have to upgrade it you will think you're playing with your own mini nuke.🤣
DankPods - purest form of tech review entertainment
Fun fact: that's not an m.2, it's protocol compliant but of course it has a proprietary apple connector (which you can buy adapters for).
No way! That makes so much sense. I assumed it was M sata, but it being proprietary makes much more sense.
Considering the M.2 standard came out in November 2013 with this computer being also from 2013 it being proprietary ain‘t that unexpected, I am more annoyed that the more modern machines don’t have M.2…
@ophmuller3511 Considering Apple, it's funny how they didn't make propietary processor nor memory. They're good at copying shit from everyone, and then "making" their own, which is "think different" -mentality.
@@NjazmoTook them a while to make everything proprietary. But to be fair, their processors have genuine improvements over the standard ARM designs.
I noticed this with the MacBook Air. My 2015 11" came with a 128GB drive and my M.2 drive (970 Evo) didn't look the same.
I had gotten it as a dead liquid damage machine for $50 in 2015, then fixed it for $27 more with a new Magsafe 2 I/O board. A friend also had to RMA their 11" MacBook Air, so I traded batteries with them and got their 114 cycle battery while they got my 600+ cycle battery that got swapped under their AppleCare.
The solution for the memory was a bit tricky. I ended up buying two more parts 13" Air machines, selling them through repairs (LCD swaps, housing swaps, etc.), then having 256GB drives left over. Instead of using one of those, I traded both 256GB drives and the 128GB drive to a fellow refurbisher for a 512GB MacBook Pro drive; now my tiny 11" Air has a decent 512GB of onboard storage.
Still running great in 2024. I can't believe next year will make 10 years in my ownership. Still haven't gotten lucky with the M-chip Macs, everything I have in my collection is either Intel or PowerPC.
10:50 In the future if the overlay doesn't want to work in CS2 you can use the netgraph to show performance. The console command is "cq_netgraph 1"
Thanks! I’ll give that a try. Usually the ole “allow_third_party_software” trick is enough, but I’ll give that a try next time. 👍
Now they aren't, thanks Tim.
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Damn
Being cool that time were not always good
I'm still waiting for Apple to be remembered as a healthcare company as Tim Apple once said in an interview.
Dawid is like that one nerdy uncle that always makes you laugh
EXACTLY
I have a uncle, his name is Dawid and he's a computer technician 😭
@@Mio96O-Oomg that’s so good😂
Uncle? I’m pretty sure Dawid is younger than me (Same age as Linus from LTT) so more like little brother.
@@Mio96O-O No way! Am I your uncle?
I wanted one so bad back then. Sooner or later I will get one just as a collector's item and for nostalgia. This thing will be capable of everyday browsing and E-Mail tasks for years to come.
Yeah thats what I've been doing with late 2000's HP HDX laptops lately like the HDX 9000 and the HDX 18T, they're old enough to be found for like a hundred bucks, but still oddly usable once you give it some TLC and do as many in-place upgrades as possible. Heck my HDX 18T can run Windows 10 just fine. The poor HDX 9000 is limited to an 800mhz FSB so no Core 2 Quad for it, so I upgraded that as far as it'll go, enjoyed it, and now its boxed back up in its original box as a collectors item/museum piece, as 20.1" laptops are rare.
4:30 Ah yes, cinenbench
cinnabench > cinnabon
It’s the cinebench we have at home.
The closeup on Dawids lips with the Mystique is just what I needed
He got me good with that. It was so subliminal I had to rewind to make sure I really heard it.
I bought one a year or two ago as a home server (running Mac OS)
Thing works super well. Monterrey is still more than enough, especially since the Mac Mini server I was using ran Catalina. Automatic backups, Jellyfin, Airmessage, NAS, Compressor over network, and whatever else I want to throw at it. I paid around $850 CAD for a system with the 3.0Ghz 8 core Xeon, 64GB of DDR3 ECC, 1TB SSD, dual D500. Compared to an M1 Mac Mini, it's an absolute steal.
“If only someone else made it” describes the problem with all of apple’s modern products.
idk, some of their stuff would be pretty lame no matter who made it, but I also understand that some of it would be significantly cooler if it was just less "appley" but I think I get the vibe, can't really blame the 8gb ram sticks for being soldiered and sold at a 10x markup. The sticks didn't do that to themselves.
While I agree with a lot of things, I feel like if Intel made the M-series chips, the battery life on the Macbooks would be like 25% of what it is. Were it made by most PC manufacturers, instead of sleek and sturdy aluminum body - it would be made of flimsy plastic. Apple isn't the best at everything, but they have had their wins over the years. I use MacOS far more than I use Windows. (I'm kind of OS agnostic, not a fanboy - I run Linux, MacOS, Windows [10&11 currently], BSD, and I usually have at least one tinker system running something like Haiku or some other alternative system.)
The problem is that Apple designs for normies, creatives, and people that aren't as concerned with flexibility and geekier pursuits. I think the Mac Pro that followed this was worse, because it's bigger, but still has too much going on inside that's proprietary. And don't get me started on the fucking $699 case wheels, or the $999 display stand!
@@sbrazenor2 Similarily priced windows laptops are not made of flimsy plastic. a lot of budget gaming laptops are but that's because the people who buy those do not care whether it's made of plastic or metal.
@@kirby1225 I have used computers in the same price range that felt cheap and flimsy. Not all of them are, I agree, but many. I have laptops I got for $100 that feel solid, on the other end of that, so I was just making a generalization.
@@sbrazenor2 Came here to say this, so yeah - me, too. I use Macs at work and home for normal productivity stuff, because I like Unix and macOS is the nicest desktop Unix around (yeah, yeah...YMMV). I also have a Windows desktop I built myself for gaming.
Doctor : Long Dawid isn't real, he can't hurt you.
Long Dawid : 7:06
🤣🤣🤣
My stomach looks extra sexy reflected in a Mac Pro.
His sexy face looks extra sexy at 1:50
3:39
Run! SlenderDawid sees youuuuuu!
These are still widely expensive and widely underpowered computers from 11 years ago. Like why the hell are they still $500 on eBay?
They look cool?
@@Collin_J Yeah that is definitely why. They do look cool.
Cool like a gucci trash can, sort of understand why now. @@DawidDoesTechStuff
Sheep buy trash cans for $500.
Genuine psychopaths actually collect Apple gear. No clue why in this case, it's not old enough to be interesting.
Bootcamp is known to use older versions of drivers. You should consider updating the video cards drivers and retry gaming. Hopefully that improves performance.
Yes and also custom drivers like amernimezone
Try not to think too hard about which fluids that towel was used to mop up
Thoughts on i3 n305?
The color of the towel may hint at the color of the liquids
Well that I didn't expect 😅
iSperg
Well now I’m much less excited by the towel. 😂
5:35 ntfs was created for windows and macos uses it's own(apfs),tho it can read ntfs but it can't write to it. exFAT is supported by macos and windows
Glass would be hillariously expensive in this application unless you somehow found an off the shelf jar or tube that was somehow the exact right size, but maybe some high quality acrylic or something to mantain the overall shape and see all the insides would be a neat case mod.
For RTSS overlay to work on CS2 you need to launch the game with "-allow_third_party_software" in the launch options
Cheater ! Don't be a cheater, man, nobody likes a cheater.
Yeah! I did use that, but it just wasn’t enough this time. 😥
@@Gatorade69 it's not cheating if it's available and provided to anyone from the devs themelves...it's called an option
man really made me watch a 18 minute video about a Trashcan
If you get the software called Macs fan control it forces the fans to change speeds depending on the temps.
5:50 - Aroused Wale Sentience…? What a gamer tag. 😂 I wouldn’t expect any less from Dawid.
fun fact. it stayed somewhat similar to when he didn't blured his username back in 2018+
Why even bother blurring?
Sometimes being a box hoarder is a good thing if you need to RMA something, I have done it several times using the original box and anti static bag
Except for when your spouses hate it…. 😂
@@AnnaDoes
But your cats will love it
Spouses?
That SSD is an AHCI PCIe 3.0 SSD but that connection is proprietary. You'd need an adaptor if using it for PC.
That's one of the things I hate the most about Apple's decisions with this computer. I have one, and unless I get an adapter for an M.2 drive, I'm stuck with that proprietary non-sense and there are very limited options available for replacements.
@@sbrazenor2m.2 wasn’t available when this thing was designed.
@@christophmuller3511 the trashcan was made from 2013, onward. M.2 was available from 2012. They could have either used it, or a different key variant to use SATA compatible drives. (Slower, but more options.)
@@sbrazenor2 the M.2 specification came out in November 2013
About 5 years ago I picked up the base model on eBay and then had fun upgrading it to a 12-core CPU, D500, and 64GB RAM. I thought it was gorgeous and, hooked up to an external GPU, it gamed nicely. I finally sold it and made the transition to Apple silicon.
1:50 dawid looking elongated
this thing is so beautiful. the mac studio should use this case. the m chips are perfect for this kind of format.
Towel... Why that brings always to my mind Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy and quote about man and his towel....
Quote;
“A towel, [The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy] says, is about the most massively useful thing an interstellar hitchhiker can have. Partly it has great practical value. You can wrap it around you for warmth as you bound across the cold moons of Jaglan Beta; you can lie on it on the brilliant marble-sanded beaches of Santraginus V, inhaling the heady sea vapors; you can sleep under it beneath the stars which shine so redly on the desert world of Kakrafoon; use it to sail a miniraft down the slow heavy River Moth; wet it for use in hand-to-hand-combat; wrap it round your head to ward off noxious fumes or avoid the gaze of the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal (such a mind-boggingly stupid animal, it assumes that if you can't see it, it can't see you); you can wave your towel in emergencies as a distress signal, and of course dry yourself off with it if it still seems to be clean enough.”
I salute you. This was awesome. And by the way, the Hitchhikers Guide is one of Dawid’s all time favorite books.
Woah, I really want to read the Hitchhikers Guide books again now. 😂
Bought one a few years ago. It now has 64gb of ram, a 12 core cpu, and a thunderbolt 27" monitor. And, with having an m2 and a stupid powerful gaming PC, I enjoy using it more than any other PC in the house.
I used to run Windows 7 on my 2012 Macbook Pro for about a decade as my main OS, just partition divided hard drive and easy install off of ISO. Back then their devices did actually have the end user usability in mind - unlike now where they just have the end user wallet in mind.
Apple designers then: "What should it look like? How about a...trash can?" Apple designers now: "What should it look like? How about a...cheese grater?" Apple designers in the future: "What should it look like? How about a litter box? a toilet? a microwave? a...???"
The old Mac Pro was a cheese grater, then there was the trash can, and then a more aggressive cheese grater. Now, the pro option is just an obese Mac Mini.
They’ve already done the Toilet with the iBook G3
Next up litter box
Have one there not bad as long as you do a lot of bs
1. Replace all thermal paste
2. Replace drive with new m2 sata ssd with adapter to avoid apples proprietary ssd bs
3. Install a os once installed quickly install mac fan control and crank to the max unless you want to overheat
Man,
I do appreciate all of the content you create. Thats all.
Very surprised at GTA performance on that unit, more over the D500 performance. Now to test it out running Linux and updated Linux drivers :-)
Excellent video!
you have literally seen this exact video hundreds of times pretty much exact same format same jokes same games benchmarked just different tech
I have this thing with D300 GPUs but either I cannot find the right drivers on Fedora despite allowing proprietary drivers, or the drivers just suck. I couldn't get a game like Omega Strikers to work, and running Kdenlive with GPU acceleration makes it crash. Dunno if it's the distro that sucks, or the drivers, or coincidentally Omega Strikers and Kdenlive are just not playing nicely with these GPUs.
@@iplyrunescape305 For some odd reason the D300s are always much harder it seems to get working. On Debian flavours, the D500/700s even in CrossFire work with the default drivers very well, I believe I have some links somewhere specifically related to these ATI series GPUs under Linux I will dig up.
I don't know but I like the design of this mac to be honest.
I still have this Mac Pro in my office next to my desk, it is my personal test machine. Is is still pleasant to work with (note that I'm REALLY disgusted by the newer apple products).
I hate to be "that guy" but I'm pretty sure that Linux open source drivers support those gpus with more modern games.
Now that's what I call a real trashcan
I'm a simple man, I see Dawid I click
yes you sound simple
Nothing wrong with that 🤩
"Looking forwards to doing some gaming on this system..."
...laughs in Apple Macintosh Crystal Quest.
You should send it back to the guy disassembled
Apple is the exact opposite of the sleeper PC. Thats the definition of apple right there!
That cursor problem is a dota bug
I thought it was tall astray for my cigarettes.
THAT CLAP BOOT UP *DAWID THINGS [MAN FINDS A WAY TO MAKE US LAUGH}
I always had a soft spot for these little things.
But as you finished the video with, "If only someone else made it."
you could do tests after cleaning too to see if there is any performance gain, simple and cheap 64gb ram upgrade, faster msata ssd or cpu upgrade test would be nice too
I love the eerie noises during the B-roll footage of this thing. Reminds me of Bakemonogatari's crazy cinematography.
You can use an adapter for SSD and use nvme SSD. It's apples proprietary nvme connector. Adapters are your friend
Also add software to control fan speed
Adapters and dongles are the Apple way, indeed.
NGFF isn't "proprietary" by any stretch of the word.
4:26 People often say that apple devices get support for so long yet I have several ipod touch and ipads that work perfectly fine but cant run anything. Even the homebrew side sucks because of how poorly backed up old apps are.
That deep cool ad had me in tears. The whispered "mystique" like it's a fragrance ad or something haha
Monterey came out 9 years after the release of the Mac Pro. Lots of criticisms of trash can Mac Pro are valid, but software support isn’t one.
i have a crazy maxxed out trashcan from 2014. Someone is still producing music with it lol.
Hey Dawid! If you still have this, you should install ‘Macs fan control’ on both the Windows and MacOS sides and re-benchmark some things to see how it really can perform.
Apple is notorious for favoring ‘quiet’ over ‘cool’, and the default fan curves are usually trash ESPECIALLY for Windows. But with MFC you can crank the fan(s) to full blast.
There are also more recent custom/community made drivers for gaming on these in Windows :)
I used a 12 core Xeon E5-2697 v-2 with dual D700s for a couple of years and it was whisper quiet. I ran windows 10 better than MacOS to be honest. Its now a streaming computer for a church I donated it to during the pandemic!
running window 11 now - i have a few of these - PS its not a SATA - its apple NVME - tried a gen 4 m.2 with converter - no go - only gen 3 nvme (so far) tested it with a gen4 sabrent 1tb
15:33 I mean you'd be suprised how many expensive machines and GPUs do that. What I've noticed from years of working with Apple products in the intel generation is that they comply to the application that the OEMs provide (e.g. memory chip, CPU, GPU). Thus it's likely that the dimension of the thermal pad exactly as the OEM specified (you can search it up maybe and check it yourself).
Moreover, if they weren't thermally constrained, their laptops would allow the intel CPU to full clock speed, on battery, which to this day isn't done by gaming laptops.
Nontheless, it's interesting to see someone reviewing this device with a completely blind lol.
cool isnt exactly the word i would use to describe that pc but i think you realized that when you saw the temp during the GTA V benchmark
Dawids ad spots actually wants to make me buy their products. It's filled with true to life emotion.
It does look like a nuclear weapon from mission impossible😂
When you found the towel, I was expecting you to quote Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.
I mean, towels are very useful, according to Douglas Adams
'Mystique' 😅 Still the only channel I don't skip past the sponsor ads
“A towel, it says, is about the most massively useful thing an interstellar hitchhiker can have. Partly it has great practical value - you can wrap it around you for warmth as you bound across the cold moons of Jaglan Beta; you can lie on it on the brilliant marble-sanded beaches of Santraginus V, inhaling the heady sea vapours; you can sleep under it beneath the stars which shine so redly on the desert world of Kakrafoon; use it to sail a mini raft down the slow heavy river Moth; wet it for use in hand-to- hand-combat; wrap it round your head to ward off noxious fumes or to avoid the gaze of the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal (a mindboggingly stupid animal, it assumes that if you can't see it, it can't see you - daft as a bush, but very ravenous); you can wave your towel in emergencies as a distress signal, and of course dry yourself off with it if it still seems to be clean enough.
More importantly, a towel has immense psychological value. For some reason, if a strag (strag: non-hitch hiker) discovers that a hitch hiker has his towel with him, he will automatically assume that he is also in possession of a toothbrush, face flannel, soap, tin of biscuits, flask, compass, map, ball of string, gnat spray, wet weather gear, space suit etc., etc. Furthermore, the strag will then happily lend the hitch hiker any of these or a dozen other items that the hitch hiker might accidentally have "lost". What the strag will think is that any man who can hitch the length and breadth of the galaxy, rough it, slum it, struggle against terrible odds, win through, and still knows where his towel is is clearly a man to be reckoned with.”
― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
Hallo boet! I literally just picked up one of these in Surrey off of Craigslist
I inherited a Promise Thunderbolt 2 - 6 drive RAID array that I needed an older Mac to access. It was either this Trashcan or an older Mac Mini for roughly the same price, but this one is way cooler
So, now I've using it for UNRAID with a 6x6tb 30TB array and I'm very happy
the imposing, ominous rumbling every time there's a b-roll shot of the dustbin is making me giggle 😭
Great vid Dawid. I hope Deepcool like your sponsor slots as you nail them! Great to see Apple never change, also interesting to see there’s not much difference gaming on an ancient Mac Pro to a M2 Mac. Both leave you disappointed.
I always wait for these interesting videos, keep it up Dawid
Correction:
*Wait, Apple Used to Be Cool?*
“ so you go up here and you click on this about to know about this mac , SEE I know apple thing “ hahahhaha. This man’s a comedic genius .
Random things stop working and stuff crashes without obvious reasons. - This is normal Mac behaviour.
The hitchhiker's guide to old Macs.
Right on Dawid has given us another banger. Lets go!!!!!
Despite my pledge to never go back, I'm now going to spend most of my Saturday looking for moded examples of this, which I will aspire to emulate.
Thanks, Dawid.
I remember being in the mid 2000s and being envious of the Mac products. Looked so futuristic and sleek. And it 'couldn't get viruses'. When I went into graphic design as a college degree in 2010 they recommended MacBook Pro laptops and I got the upgraded i7 model with 4GB RAM. And that's when I started to learn what a sham Apple was. Aside from an iPod nano and iPod Touch I had in middle school and high school, that was the only Apple computer I ever owned. Since then I've always built my own PCs and used Windows, and bought Galaxy and Pixel android phones. And I just feel so bad for everyone who buys into the sham of crApple.
Just like that scene in The Abyss, when the Seals disassemble the nuke's warhead to use it against the alien
Those are some cool cats for sending that. It looks actually almost cool for an Apple product.
The stability or rather lack of is probably caused due to abysmal AMD drivers from that era, especially with two GPUs on board. Windows installation is NOT altered by Boot Camp whatsoever
I too am a certified Box Hoarderer...
Great teardown into the bowels of that MacPro. It's certainly a clever and interesting design, and I enjoyed seeing how it's put together.
"Fan curve was to conservative which led to a lot of gpu failures." That's a feature, not a bug. Can't have their devices being used for too long. Planned obsolescence, baby.
6 years later, Dawid is still doing tech stuff!
Wow, I'm actually impressed it survived all of that too. _Next up is attempting to upgrade it. Lol_
Also, side note, you still need to update the Minecraft server info in your descriptions, as we're on Java 1.20.2, not 1.19.3. Turtle also removed multi-version support so *only* 1.20.2 players will be able to join it from either Java or Bedrock.
"They didn't even upgrade the generation of Xeon in it..." ... then again, neither did Intel. 😁
I want one of these. It could make a passable late '90s/2000s retro gaming PC if you can install Windows 7 or XP on it. You'd need a USB optical drive to install anything but you could use nocd cracks to avoid having to leave it plugged in full time.. Or it could be an awesome general purpose Linux machine. A GPU mod other than the dual D700 option would make for a fun modding challenge. I'm thinking RX550.
I bought the same Mac Pro in 2013 but I upgraded it to 48 GB and 5 TB and had it until 2022 then sold it. Ngl It was a beast.
9:15 Given that the system is known to look like a _"trash can"_ and those GPUs are _Fire_ Pro's in Cross _fire_ mode... It was a "dumpster fire" all along.
Thank you, for posting this fun video. I have always, loved the design (but, not the very high price tag) of Apple's space gray "trash can" Mac Pro. A couple of years, after the used price of these units started to "Drop like a Rock" had to decide to either buy Apple's new M-1 "Mac Studio" desktop or a used "trash can" Mac Pro. For about $1,000, I picked-up off of Ebay a "trash can" Mac Pro 8-core/D-700/64GB/1TB SSD model (smile...smile).
I love how now there is an AIO that is the same name as my home media server.
So much respect for the engineers who conceived this thing.
THANK YOU DAWID! You confirmed what I've been saying to these religious Mac Zealots for years that they've been lying to themselves about their macs...
i still use one of these at work, gets everything done just fine still for graphics design and even runs davinci ressolve with no issues for 4k video believe it or not
I use one of these free flight 3 years in my graphic design job and I had no idea that that was the back
try the 3rd party Nimeze drivers for those AMD cards, i don't know a lot about apple, but if you can install those it might help with your gaming situation.
One cool feature not mentioned is that the rear IO lights up when you turn it around to plug in your devices.
Seeing Dawid's bearded face saying mystic makes me go into mating season
Ngl, that heatsink is really cool...well runs hot but looks neat.
You can use modded AMD drivers which include some modern features, namely Amernime drivers, which include support for older GPU, for the fireproof d500, the Legacy GCN version could work, maybe allow us to boot newer games.
I almost didn’t notice the close up mouth whisper of “Mystique” until the second or 3rd one. 😂
Form/look over function😁
I love how all the B-roll has rumble in it.
So, Apple sells 2013 hardware in the year 2018 for full price and people praise Apple for this crap? I'll never understand the cult of Apple.