ARE THEY GOING PREMIUM!? Gerber Savvy USA MADE 20CV Steel
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I'm old enough to recall when Gerber was a premium knifemaker. They had several Bob Loveless designs that were excellent. Al Mar started there as well.
Remember when Al Mar was a premium company?
Apparently no one in chat remembers back in the 80s and earlier, when Gerber made high quality knives.
I like seeing an American company trying to make a come back.
I agree, wherever we can get a company that’s based here in the US making US tools I want them to win.
True statement.
Yes Jeff I remember and its been decades. I doubt there is anyone there now that was with Gerber when they made decent knives.
I remember!
I remember as a baby they made food.
I just looked up "Gerber Savvy Pivot Lock Knife Carbon Fiber (3.5" Stonewash 20CV) 30-001846" on a major retailer. $250 before tax, I will pass, its a Gerber.
🤣🤣🤣
Buck does the same thing
@@demo2952 Buck is arguably a better manufacturer and the Bos heat treat is nothing to overlook. So the biggest difference is a S35VN that I know is heat treated well and a 20CV coming from a manufacturer with a bad reputation.
@@TopDog8762 fit and finish is so so.
@@demo2952 On the newer bucks? Yes I have bought a 110 Slim Pro TRX and a Onset . I am not saying Buck is great. You brought Buck up, I am saying I trust Buck more than I trust Gerber.
The washer system is crazy innovative. It allows for easier maintenance. Also, I have one (the carbon fiber one) and it came really sharp. I’ve had a few dull benchmade come to me over the years, no big deal. All people can do anymore is complain I swear. It’s a solid knife. Thanks for highlighting it. Next, you should try out the slimsada!
I agree it's a nice blade.... But I think most people look at it from the perspective of how much cost...to how much you get.... $200-250 is a bit steep. I love all the Gerber's I've owned....but that said....to compete you have to beat the absolute quality of knives you can get for the 100-150 range.
People should complain about a dull knife you pay $200 for. Off the edge in uneven or its dull you should be mad. It’s the whole reason you bought a knife for.
These days I like my blades to be slicers, the CPM steels are plenty strong enough for hard cuts. Good looking folder.
Everyone screams for american made knives but when these companies start producing more products in the US they shit the bed in some way on it. Cant even manage to put a good edge on it before it leaves the factory
It’s crazy that you should have to be put an edge on a USA premium knife. I recently got the Benchmade carbon fiber s90v mini bugout and it did not have the greatest edge either. Better then your experience though.
It really bugs me when I pay decent money for a knife that comes with a cruddy edge. I mean, the edge is the business end of a knife. If you're not putting your knife out with an edge that doesn't need any work on it from the get go then it's just the lamest thing ever.
Wow. That's something. I just ordered a 20cv griptilian today from the knifecenter for $110. I thought it was a good deal and couldn't let it pass by!
I'd love to have one to be honest. I love Gerber as a company. I'm keeping the faith in them.
Gerber needs to get on track when they had awesome knives back in the day.
Let me get this straight......Gerber is asking from a potential customer , to give 200-250 ,for a non sharpened edge?????? Chinese products with a fraction of the price , provide better quality. Just grab a Hogue , and find out what a factory edge should be like , out from the box. Again Aaron you nailed it , with a great video. Keep strong on the trail.
I got a savvy and it came sharp. If that’s any consolation
@@hunterglaspell well ,happy for you! Maybe there was a mistake and get it sharpened 😄. But still have to seriously upgrade their quality control.
2:16 20CV is metallurgically indentical to M390. 20CV is Crucible’s name for it, M390 is Bohler’s.
Yep 👍
Who wants to spend 250$ on a unusable knife. Specially made in the USA you would think. Also they sent these to you again you would think they would at least send a sharpe blade. Def. Couldn’t give this to a non knife person as a gift.
But Gerber...ugh. Those are pretty sweet though. 🤷🏻♂️
I own one of these - the blue aluminum model. I don’t want to say it was an impulse buy because I don’t make $200 impulse buys, but my birthday was coming up, and I wanted something different. I figured if it sucked, I’d return it. I did have the same issue with blade sharpness - it was okay sharp but hearing that these knives were hand-sharpened before leaving the factory, I expected better. I was able to put a nice edge on it, but it took work. As a lefty, I had to reverse the clip and the thumb stud and that was no problem, and I didn’t mar the blade. I do agree the knife should just come with a thumb stud on each side. The fit and finish of the knife are excellent as are the ergonomics.
I planned to return the knife, and almost did because the lock was horrible. It had a metal-on-metal sound to it, and took force to use, even after loosening the pivot and adding KPL. The day I was going to mail it back, I toyed with the knife a little more, added some more oil, and somehow fixed whatever the issue was. The lock now works great, I didn’t return it, and it’s now one of the favorites in my EDC rotation. So, great knife at the end, but no way the knife should have been shipped with the lock as it was.
Hi, leftie here. How exactly did you reverse the thumb stud?
@@clarksargeant8446 I used a small set of pliers, being careful not to scratch the blade. The base of the thumb stud is hexagonal, so you can get a bit of a grip on it.
I like the design but the price puts me off. $250 for a CF one(I hate aluminum and live CF so that's the one I'd go for) with weird one side thumbstud, thick grind and I wonder how Gerber dies their 20cv. At $150-$175 is be all over it but I'll have to pass. Now I'm downsizing my collection and something has to be really special to make me want to buy it.
NOPE!
Such a solid looking knife, I have a Kershaw iridium topo but this knife might be a new daily
You should try out the Hogue Doug Ritter RSK Mk1 G2!. It's like the griptilian but better in every way
I have to get it for sure.
I agree, much better.
For 200 i can get a Blade hq exclusive Benchmade 940 in M-4 steel.
Nice!
It looks like a great knife but I don't think they've paid their dues after quality the quality issues that they've had in the past. The fastball was an awesome knife but was a dumpster fire as far as QC was concerned. There's no way that anecdotal evidence between four or five people on TH-cam would all find serious issues with their fastball unless there were large runs of knives not meeting QC. I know that Gerber can make an awesome knife, but with me personally they have to work their way back to having my trust by putting out great knives of a great quality with great value. As much as I love these new designs that they're putting out I just don't trust Gerber enough to buy a $200 knife from them. At the moment I own four or five Gerber knives with three of them having had QC issues ranging from a bit superficial to "seriously should not have left the factory"
Gerber has some of the worst QC in the knife world from the known brands. Assuming they even have QC anymore at all.
They have fallen far.
Yeah, if they can really dial-in that quality control I think they could really start to make good traction in the industry.
@@gideonstactical I think so also. They're obviously trying to appeal to enthusiasts, and I'm really digging their designs. Even their blade shapes have become a bit of a design language for them and I love their shape. I'm really rooting for them.
I recieved my North Arm skaha 2 recently and was blown away. About $50 more, but with magnacut steel, amazing action, great fit and finish, super sharp blade and made in Canada. Excellent quatity, no complaints. The only down side is the wait.....but well worth it. Hard to beat at this price point.
Absolutely, appreciate your videos. Anytime, I'm in the market for a new knife or tool. I check your reviews before purchasing. I love Gerber, although I will pass on this one at that price point.
No
I don't mind modding a knife. I don't even necessarily mind an edge being unusable from the manufacturer. I've bought my share of budget machetes, and traditionally, they come come ground, but not sharpened. But they also cost under $30, not $200+. That's a big nope.
Ya it is a rough spot on an otherwise great knife.
Awesome review, I gotta try that carbon fiber version.
I’m finished with Gerber because of their poor customer service. I have a custom Sedula that came with a defective locking system. I’ve been trying to contact customer service sense Sep 3 of 22 and still haven’t heard a peep from them. I ended up fixing the knife myself with a Dremel tool. I love the look of this savvy and want one but poor customer service has me looking at other brands.
I like the way they are headed at gerber. But as for pivot locks have you been able to test or look at the giant mouse Nazca?
G'day Aaron, yep a very nice look'n and functional design IMO.
A small thing, but great to see a filler plate and even better with a practical use, i.e. jimping; that's good think'n I reckon.
I also dig the single thumb stud; like the clip, you've only gotta set it once for RH or LH, even if.............it changes hands.
With the factory edge; I dont mind a shallow angle out of the box, (as long as it is sharp enough to use right away). It gives the owner plenty of metal to grind/sharpen to their own preference, both from an angle and edge profile perspective.
Btw; personally I use the Worksharp manual bench and field sharpener models, but surely a wheel will give you a concave edge at a micro level and I expect slightly convex with a belt system, have you noticed any perceivable difference using the Worksharp powered belt job, or simply just a time saver ?
Cheers Duke.
Hey Duke, good to hear from you. Yeah usually prefer to do manual sharpening of my blades, it’s only when there’s a bad angle and I need to re-profile significantly or with my larger heavier thicker tools like BK2, or an ax or hatchet that I usually use the powered sharpener. It works well and it’s easy to get a convex ‘s edge on it, but I still haven’t quite got down the trick to not have a slightly rounded tip with the power sharpeners. Need to work with them some more to hone that skill.
@@gideonstactical Thanks for the reply Aaron, yep with ya,
If they are big and/or that bad I do use a home linisher, perhaps a file, to get them close and symmetrical, then revert back to flat diamonds for that proper fine edge, without simply forming a parabolic dish shape. I'm sure it can be done totally powered with practice and getting through and down to the real fine belts, You're not alone mate, we both need to "hone" that skill, : ) not as meditative, but indeed more timely.
The fastball is fat as hell behind the edge also. It really sucked going through cardboard until I reprofiled the blade, and when I did I had to take a serious amount of metal off to lay that edge back
Yeah thankfully the model that I got was pretty good.
I like my Sedulo, they have my attention with the Savvy.
Ya it was a good jump onto the $100 USA made market again.
i got an exclusive model, black with dark grey almost black blade, 20cv and aluminum. not much info on it so i cant even remember who it was an exclusive for, but it was on sale for $99. people were speculating it may have a less than ideal heat treat, not sure. for $99 im definitely happy, but for $200 i wish it had a deeper clip and the blade wasnt so thick behind the edge. also dont understand why they didnt just put thumb stud on both sides, i like to fidget them with both hands. havent even carried it, my bugout(cerakote fde with alumium/micarta scales) and lionsteel skinny get most pocket time these days
I love your reviews and I love how you take the time to explain all of your points and I love everything that you’re doing on the channel but honestly every time I watch you cut para cord it come makes me chuckle because I think even a really crudy knife will probably cut through that. Again thanks for the review this definitely is a knife that is hidden quite a few boxes in at the $200 range it’s not too out of the ballpark of what they’re asking. I think the knife itself reminds me of a Kershaw leek if it had a large baby and had the AXIS lock added to it
Thanks Mark, I was appreciate the support and the feedback. As I said in the video I always do some cardboard and multiple types of tests just so people can see it in action, but also on the off chance like in this video where one of the blades was so doll and basically wouldn’t do it. I appreciate you being part of the GT family 👍
@@gideonstactical Thank you so much for the quick reply! Just recently in the past year and a half I started my own TH-cam channel and you were one of the inspirations!
If i want a folding knife with 20cv, I'll go for the Kershaw link at more than half the price
Or the Benchmade Bugout I got for 140$ that came flawless compared to what Gerber puts out.
They have typically reserved it for more specialized knives
Its pretty much a Gerber Osborne 940.
Yep 👍
Looks good, yeah thumb studs should be ambe.
Agreed
I'll pass on these by Gerber, if any,I'd get the stronarm,I know it's a fixed blade,that knife is worth it just not these premium knives for the price an as sharp as they should be out of the box.
For that price and to not come sharp(and the CF one needing a complete edge)
I'm gonna pass on the Gerber
Gerber nowdays always finds a way to disapoint. Quality is not priority number 1.
I'll believe it when their stuff is consistent quality again. Gerber has been trash for a looooong time. Which is a shame as they use to be good.
Nice but I kinda consider strider, ZT as Premium. Gerber is a break it and toss it type knife, unless its a fixed blade.
Sorry but the lack of edge and price kinda kills it. I love Gerber trying to step up but wow. That's alot there.
For sure!
Benchmade makes quality knives, but I personally do not like their designs. It would be nice to have a quality American made alternative. But it looks like we will have to wait a bit longer. Not coming in sharp is a let down.
Ya, hopefully they will get that dialed in.
Gerber just can't seem to do it right...
Yeah everything but the factory edge. Took me about 10 minutes to get my own edge on it and now it’s great.
🔥🎸🔥
What a classy looking knife.
This, to me, looks like a knive, I want! 👌
All this vid tells me is that Gerber's quality control is lagging well behind the broader market. A 20CV blade that can't cut out (ie. blunt) of the box - quality control fail. No offence, but the purpose of a knife is to cut. The material upgrades are a very welcome change. IMHO the design's a little plain but no real issues. Single sided thumb studs suck as I sometimes open my knives with my off hand. Sorry Gerber I'll continue to sit and wait for you catch up with the broader market.
I like a "blunt" as much as most people, but I'll never pay $200+ for one. 🤣
@@lostcat9lives322 🤣🤣🤣
My savvy came pretty sharp, if that’s any consolation
Please, review the anv a100 magnacut, ana non vertica.
Hi Araron great video and review.Enjoyable and informative as usual.Personal pass for me.I want it sharp out of the box,it tics me off when it is not.
Also remember when they made quality knives.Reputation has been bad for long time hurts
trust factor.Like 2 thumb studs
for ambi use.
Tip for Work sharp belt tool users.Stop the blade in middle of the belt and remove it.I have
damaged tips in past myself.Have fun G.T. family. Poi Out Post 76
does a lot of testing and sharpening it is surprising the
frequent improvement he gets out
of multiple sharpening of new knives.
Gerber should stick to baby food
Please test out the Work Tuff Puzon Wilderness Bowie.
I like a "blunt" as much as most people (legal here in Cali, thank God for blue state freedoms) but I'll never pay $200+ for one. 🤣
I plan on buying the Gerber FastBall from Bass Pro Shops for $130.00 Dollars.
Yea but what’s the rockwell hardness
I’m jealous on how easy it is for you to flick open and close the knife, I’d cut my fingers. 🤠
It’s like magic :-)
$250? GTHOH.... Hard Pass. I can get a premium Spyderco and a Kershaw USA made...... For that money. I like Gerber's as a whole.... But that's ridiculous.
That’s why the aluminum for $200 is a lot more reasonable.
Great video but there's no way I'm paying $200 for a folder.
Thanks so much Russell, I get it 200 bucks is a lot of money for a folder blows my mind when people drop five or 600 on a folder.
He’s like the best
940-ish, i see a trend of copying design lines
Similar but definitely unique
Not really. The bugout and 940 are as metal complex says “the most basic knife shaped knife possible”. Anything can look like them because they are safe designs. Only bias says it’s a copy.
Its getting to the point with some many knifes out there for a knife to be totally unique.
Many companies have made good quality premium knives for a long long time. Though some of these Gerber knives do look good, with all the low standards they have had for the last couple of decades, I don’t believe they have earned the right to run with the proven big boys. Gerber most definitely does not have a future in my pocket.
No disrespect to you Mr. Gideon, just my personal opinion.
Love your opinion Jonathan, thanks for sharing. I do believe that they have a long way to go to earn back the trust of a lot of us dedicated Knife lovers. They are coming out with some good American knife designs, and it really comes down to QC and if they can get that dialed in they have some really good stuff. Examples Sedulo, fastball, the long loved gator series, Principle and terracraft.
I feel like they'd have a home run with a g10 handle rather than an aluminum handle. Seems like hogue has a better knife for the price point though tbh. I'd rather put my money on a deka or a ritter rsk than this. Good try though on Gerber's part. Hogue just imo has them beat.
Gerber always try but never seem to hit the mark. I’ve had a few gerbers and I’ve not yet been that impressed with any
Not a chance at $200, alot better knives out there in that Price Range
It’s same price as the Benchmade Osborne s30v??? Outside of the dull edge the fit and finish is on par.
Not for the price. Drop it $100/£120s.
Basically Gerber 940
Benchmade does not wobble
Have to disagree with you there, i’ve owned two dozen Benchmade‘s and every single one of them has some slight side to side play.
@@gideonstactical I haven’t gotten a new one in 10 years but mine are solid. Maybe newer models suffer my 710 and my 300 are rock solid
Love the blade shape. Just wished that pocket clip was deepcarry
$200 American 20CV steel coming dull from the factory. Nuff said.
Having quality control issues from blades that they send you purposefully for review seems ludicrous to me, but then again it is a Gerber..
No QC from them. Having an unsharpened blade is typical for a sub 100$ knife but not one over 200$.
$200 butter knife...🤣🤣🤣
They are nice but for $250? I don't know. The knife itself would just have to speak to me before I would drop that for any knife. The fact they are less sharp than the competitors that go for the same price? Yeah I'll pass.
It’s same price as the Benchmade Osborne s30v??? Outside of the dull edge the fit and finish is on par. Carbon fiber is the kind of pricey one, but the aluminum handles $200 I think are definitely in the same realm as Blades like the Osborne.
If it’s any consolation, I have one, and it came sharp. Cheers 🍻
Single sided thumbstud?? Pass
Knives are getting too expensive. It's a tiny fucking piece of steel. None of them deserve to be priced over $100.
Good review but at that price point I will pass.
I get it 200 bucks is a lot, but it is very competitive with the Benchmade Osborne which has S30vsteel.
No thanks Gerber
They try so hard and in my opinion fail with the pocket clip. Not for me!
Well. Looks like a 940 clone lol.
Still a gerber tho lol..
I wouldn't buy low performance 20cv/m390. I highly doubt they do the heat treatment correctly. So no thanks. They need to use the correct steel and heat treat and not just put popular steel on it to fill a bill of materials to sell knives based on popular materials.
Most manufacturers run 20cv between 58 and 60hrc with a sub par microstructure and performance is the same as s35vn. What's the point? Zt advertise 62hrc but because of their heat treat protocol, 61-62hrc will net less performance than a Spyderco at 60hrc. And good luck finding them in that range for zt. They mass produce these and often will run lower.
There is no way that Gerber will use the right heat treat protocol. Austenitizing temp 1140 soak for 20-30min, quench correctly cause 20cv/m390 is very sensitive to quench rate and then Ln2 bath, temper, Ln2 bath then triple 500 temper. And aim for 61-62hrc.
Also lazer cutting the blanks will cause issues too.
Gerber gets their blades heat treated by the same company that does benchmade and leathermans. Most companies don’t heat treat their steel in house. It’s generally done by a contracted heat treater. So, if you like benchmades heat treat, gerbers will be the exact same. Please don’t make claims when you don’t have the proper information
@@hunterglaspell I have the proper information. Stack Metallurgy does the heat treatment for benchmade and others. The cut testing shows poor performance for m390 and 20cv from benchmade. They also lazer cut the blades out and Bohler specifically say not to. If you know the protocols for these steels you know the performance seen as a result. We've hrc tested them and cut test them. The proof is in the pudding.
Do you know anything about Metallurgy? Plenty of heat treaters have spoken about this.
@@tacticalcenter8658 ah you are one of those “cut test” bros. Totally realistic to real world standards, mmhmm. The proof isn’t in the pudding on that. Different steels behave to different materials. Some 8crs will hold a very similar edge to s30v with certain materials because s30v response poorly to some materials 8cr does well in. There is a reason companies like Ontario do lower Rockwells on carbon steels. Any torture test on Kabars becker 1095 will show you they run it too hard for a hard use knife (and for 1095 in general). It has great edge retention, but horrible shock resistance. So much so, the BK2 at a quarter inch thick and has snapped in half long before the gerber strongarm in 420hc (with a much thinner blade stock) doing the same tests (test can be seen on TH-cam with repeated results). Lower Rockwell’s are a safety net for companies when people buy their knives and use them hard (which a large portion of their user base does). It’s why ZT was caught doing it years ago. I have a savvy, and the 20cv is really solid in real world applications. Not to mention, nobody, not even you, needs a blade steel like 20cv at full potential. If you cut with your knife so much that you dull 20cv like it’s nothing, I suggest you invest in utility knives. They will fit your role better. 🍻
@@hunterglaspell so your one of those ignorance is bliss kind of people. Or maybe a brand fanboy.
Enjoy over paying for the name of a steel.
cool
That spine seems too thick.
Bar lock.
👍🏻
Just proving that they could make knives with good steel if they wanted to, but they'd rather make overpriced junk. All about widening that profit margin for them, Case, CRKT and any other brand trying to market itself to blue collar buyers.
It obviously doesn't close as easily and smoothly as a benchmade.
No it’s definitely as smooth as Benchmade.
Deep carry clip - or just don't mention super steel Gerber!
Argh Gerber!! Get your shit together!! Quit releasing overpriced, dull, non ambidextrous shit!! I wanna like Gerber, but like SOG theyre missing the mark.
The knife is fully ambi. The thumb stub can be switched. Also I have one, and it came sharp!
$200 Gerber 🤣. Trash