Should Snyman be punished for tackle on Casey? | Alan Quinlan
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- Alan Quinlan comments on RG Snyman's tackle on Craig Casey in the Ireland v South Africa game on Saturday.
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He could have tried to protect his small ex team mate instead of driving this body into the ground. It's just a bad look for RG no matter what you say .
Hahaha…this guy right here man!!! You made my day with this well thought through comment…
Munster should ask for their money back. And what posessed Leinster to sign him. He only plays for the Boks.
They will never do that because they buy to win
RG always played so well, when not injured, at Munster.....will do similar at Leinster🤞
Thanks for the foreign exchange, I'm sure RG is enjoying spending it at home!
As a Bok supporter, I am very sorry for Casey and I wish him a speedy recovery. However, it looks like a rugby collision with no malicious intent. All rugby players are aware of risks like these when they sign up for the game.
@@melletmoll8602 that doesn’t mean you you act ignorant towards a fellow team mate, human nature does not teach that .
@@davidwalker2402 its Rugby not chess bud
@@davidwalker2402 ignorant, how?
@@kerryholmes5586 you put him on the ground with as much force as you can. You then proceed to lean on him as you get up never checking to see if he is ok even though the whistle had blown. And at know time as the player lay on the ground did RG go near him to find if he was ok thats ignorant. And to put the cherry on the cake the band started up and the party was in full speed while a player lay with serious injury’s on the floor thats ignorant.
The selective outrage on display here is mind blowing... People referring to values like decency and consideration whilst participating in character assassination of a player... 🤯Hope Casey bounces back quickly.
The tackle was not high, or illegal in any way. You may argue that he followed through a little robustly, but there is not a ref in the world that will want to play card games with this. The damage was done when the back of his head whiplashed onto the surface - an unfortunate rugby incident!
He slapped the ball out of Casey's hand and then tackles him. Hmm, borderline.
@@dairet1945lies he never touched the ball. If he did it would have been a penalty for Ireland. He grabbed the arm to tackle the man.
@@Jagged-mm7sb What difference does that make? Point is Casey no longer had the ball then Snyman tackled him.
With the ball long gone, Snyman slams him to the ground, then pushes his body weight onto Casey and pushes his head into Casey's. There is a principle of care when tackling a player. The rugby incident was the tackle, what happenned after was Snyman's choice. He saw he could get away with hurting Casey, and thats what he did. Casey will have sufferred some brain damage there.
@@turloughconway8178 he was tracking the player not the 🏈.
I am South-African and I also think RPG could have stopped or discontinued the tackle. Also the DJ is over the top at Loftus.
I believe by absolutely playing the ball the Springboks can and will become better. Stop that kind of wasting of energy and beat the opponent by playing the game, the ball with real intensity and completely get rid of all off he ball, even slightly, stuff. We want to be the best.... Focus on the ball, the strategy and win every game.
Not blaming anyone, but... Just saying netball is alternative to test rugby
You disagree that player welfare should be considered? Will you tell all the retired players with brain diseases due to brain injuries that they should hjave played Netball?
😂😂😂…brilliant!
@@turloughconway8178 ...and boxing, UFC etc if that's what it takes or maybe play basketball but that could potentially be too rough, thinking about it, Netball too... Best stay at home wrapped in cotton wool
Head injuries are common in rugby. Therefore, all the strict rules revolving around it.Rugby is a contact sport and the players are fully aware of the dangers and choose to play the game.No gun put to the head.If you don't agree with a full contact sport then don't whatch it.
@@RaymondRigg-v6k Here is the rule.
13. A player must not tackle an opponent early, late or dangerously. Dangerous tackling includes, but is not limited to, tackling or attempting to tackle an opponent above the line of the shoulders even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders.
Dangerous tackle is at discretion of referee outside defined high or spear tackle. Snyman has no momentum and the situiation is not dangerous when he grasps Casey after the ball is gone. Snyman runs him backwards before slamming his feet and slamming him into the ground. Snyman creates the danger of injury after the contact with no ball. Its dangerous play. This is before we discuss Snyman pushing his forehead into Casey's face 'Bakkies like' while Casey was unconscious.
This clip is quite obviously click bait for the South African fans 😂
Both media is making click bait for both sides of supporters these days. Mental but there must be some money in it.
The OTB is click bait for SAffas. That’s only way they keep lights on. Bit like Trump with CNN. They need a pantomime villain 😂
Keep crying 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Let’s just re-ref every game in slow motion, re-calculate the scores and announce the new winners
Ireland players lying on SA side at rucks, slowing the game, frustrated SA.
It looked like RG Snyman head butted Casey on the ground after following through on a tackle where the player very clearly got rid of the ball ages ago (same dirty style of Bakkies Poephol Botha) but you will struggle to see this on the footage because the footage can't be found anywhere online and the Loftus cameramen didn't really replay the hit which was dishonest sports journalism from SA grounds).
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
fiction
Bakkies got more Webb Ellis trophies than the whole of Ireland. Put some respect on his name
@Deletthis-gp7yy bakkies is an ex bouncer and overall vuil speler who evidently was a bad role model for all the RG's coming up in the system. Respect is not earned through winning at all cost.
@@Deletthis-gp7yy a great man shows his greatness in the way he treats little men.
As Casey was taken off the field, did the announcer not commend him for his performance and speak to the unfortunate outcome, and Casey respond with a thumbs up...? The crowd also responded in applause to him.
There are comment bots whose literal role is to post controversial comments so that people like us take the hook and start arguing. Don’t feed the algorithm. Good game both 🇮🇪 🇿🇦
I'm a Munster supporter n a fan of Snyman but it is my opinion that he took out Casey. The ball was gone. After that massive attack he just turned n walked away. To me, it deserved a yellow or even red card.
I'm sorry. No mitigation. It had nothing to do with playing the ball.
As Irish fans we should stop whining. We were beaten by a team as good as ours. We just need to get better. I didn’t see any of our big guys go easy on Faf de Klerk or Cheslin Kolbe.
Interesting how there is no blame game. But they proceed to blame Snyman.
Not Partisan, but player safety dictates that World Rugby should punsih Snyman for what he does AFTER he hits Casey. The force with which Snyman (deliberately) smacks Casey off the ground causes the brain injury, Snyman subsequently sliding his body weight over Casey and pushing his head into Casey while unconcious only makes it worse.
Really... Why is this even a discussion. It's a rugby incident. Guys get injured.
With the ball long gone, Snyman slams him to the ground, then pushes his body weight onto Casey and pushes his head into Casey's. Please actually watch the incident fully before commenting.
@@turloughconway8178 I did watch it. That's Rugby boet. Go watch the game again and see how many times that exact thing happens throughout the game. Only reason we talking about this is because his head bounced off the turf.
@@ryancheeseman4688 And before spear takling wa sillegal we only talked about it when someone got hurt, what your point. Please show me another incident in teh match where it happenned. Snyman also put his face into the unconcious Casey on the ground in a hard man 'got ya' way. Deliberate dangerous play needs to be eliminated from rugby and the way is to punish the offending player. Snyman's decision to slam Casey into teh ground caused the danger. The brain injury was the result.
It is a discussion point because the follow through causes Casey's head to violently smash off the ground. Casey was in a bad way after the tackle and is unavailable for the next match. The follow through is not neccesary and it is avoidable. That's all.
@@jamescook4116 Snyman did his job. Of course he followed through, he's a professional player and he wants to keep on working. There's no place for mediocrity on a rugby field.
Nothing to see here. Just them crying about the springbokke and south africans again
Again? When did we cry about you before? We haven't lost to you ion years before yesterday!
You disagree that player welfare should be considered? Will you tell all the retired players with brain diseases due to brain injuries
3 matches in 8 years, it's not like SA play you every year. 1st home match in 8 years. So let's not start making this out to be an amazing record like you beat Italy and South Africa every year.
Player safety is an issue but that tackle was perfectly legal, why should a player be penalised if hey perform a legal tackle?
Should Kolisi be sent off when Robbie Henshaw tried to tackle him and Henshaw got a concussion?
Don't start making up your own rules to the game, rather learn the existing rules of the game and become a better supporter.
@@TheMatGun I was replying to a stupid comment that the concern about dangerous play was Ireland was 'crying' about another SA defeat. Do keep up
Not sure why you talking about crying, only one of the head coaches here has gone and made an hour long youtube video "crying" about all the referee calls he didn't like after he lost a match. I ll give you a hint, it wasn't Andy Farrell.
What does size have to to with how you tackle? Its easy Ireland: Pick a bigger 9...
Ireland has gone soft. They now join the French in crying after defeat. They should go play netball or something if they can't handle Test Rugby.
Says the big man
@@MartinGordon-x6u don't take it personal it's just proper Test rugby. Or do you want rugby to go soft?
Not at all, no one compares to the French. At least Ireland management stated they will question some of thr 50/50 calls but they lost etc. Even the mainstream media is in agreement. Some keyboard warriors are stoking the flames but that's on both sides.
They never went to the press conferences straight after the game and moaned about the ref like the French did, disgraceful.
@@TheMatGun agree there with you the French are the best moaners. I like the Ireland team. The players and fans are brilliant. I just don't like the arrogant Irish media and some decisions Jonny Sexton made here and in the QF vs the All Blacks.
@clibo1 hey buddy, not all the media the same, loads of clickbait out there fueling this rivalry. So many channels setup to bash each other etc. Real journalists like Irish Times rugby section had a great write up on Sunday and today. Praised SA for the win, praisednireland for keeping it in touching distance etc.
Fans will be fans, you got the keyboard warriors that still think the rules are the same as 30 years ago when they played, some that never really knew the rules and those that are true fans, both sides have them.
When a crucial tackle is made , media always have comments being negative .
Rugby is a brutal sport .proudly South african.
Go Bokke.
You're telling me coaches are going to tell their players to think about the size of the guy they are tackling and take it easy on the small guys... Don't follow through. Give them a half tackle... Please.
WHAT A JOKE....such a physical game, 100 miles an hour, collision after collision, and you are saying that oh, why couldn't you just"pull back a bit?". You demand these player bring the intensity and then criticize them when they don't "pull up.". Stop ur whining and hypocrisy, grow up.
@@Gorilladome4664 it’s up to the tackler to get it right he’s late. But just a penalty for me. But what a team you have
@@gerardbradygerardb3872 I guess you know more than the ref that was right there and the TMO...who had like almost 30 min to look at it. Well done.
@@Gorilladome4664 RG was offside if he plays the rules Casey doesn’t get hurt simple as that stevie wonder could see he was offside. Coming from a nation that was part of a documentary to hunt down a referee for bad decisions you should be a little more humble. It’s sport it’s just strange SA think it’s a matter of life and death. Worse sports fans on the planet just read their posts on social media ,
@@davidwalker2402 FYI, everything in SA can kill you...they grow up with and live with that...one thing unites the country, just one. They love their rugby and respect the game, and their opponents especially Ireland. Feel free to step into traffic at your earliest convenience.
@@gerardbradygerardb3872 how was that late? This is a genuine question, we all watched the same tackle.
If an Irish prop did this to Faf i wonder. What the response would have been . So we had a few things gong for us.
Faf is a beast. He’d roll back and do his back flip like he did against England that time. Poor ‘anal’gy
I honestly wouldn't have minded if an Irish player was carded for this incident. Player safety is first.
God this is so weak.
Why would he pull back from a tackle 🤣
Yeah it was to put the player on grass to stop him from going to next ruck.
There is no issue with the collision (even though the ball was gone). It is how Snyman put Casey to the ground. He created an extremely dangerous situation where there was none. He then headbutted Casey.
As a Bok supporter I thought it was a late tackle and at the very least a penalty
I think a penalty would be fair.
It was malicious and unnecessary. Red card.
Rory. I agree. WAS IT INTENTIONAL? YES. HIGH DEGREE OF DANGER? YES. WITH BALL GONE HE DROVE CASEY INTO THE GROUND. ONLY Question For me. YELLOW OR RED.
I hope there are more incidents to complain about, this is fast becoming my favourite channel
Seriously, you want him to pull back in a test match? He's either guilty or not. There's no pulling back because the opposition is a small guy. Because next time, they'll be milking the second guessing.
Think Jim and the Rugby Pod got it right, it was a rugby incident and unfortunate that Casey got injured. It happened to Pat Lambie when CJ Stander ended his career with that late hit. Its rugby, collisions happen.
Will Mccarthy hold back on Faf in same situation.
Games over
Result is in the book
Move on
Rugby is a dynamic game you could dispute play after play particularly if you are Irish
Oxygen is used routinely in S.A. when players go down as part of safety protocols - inevitably they pop up to watch game from the stand, can make the scene look a bit more serious
It’s so unfortunate Casey got injured and I feel for him, but you can’t expect a player to tackle light on someone just coz they have played together
If Casey wasn't hurt, then this wouldn't even be a discussion. We can't cry foul just because of an injury - the tackle was borderline in terms of timing, but legal.
It wasn't legal. It's so obvious he was offside so therefore it was an illegal tackle also. In terms of the tackle technique, from my eyes it was fine. Big man v small man. Injuries happen unfortunately. And also, a rugby player should never ease off in a tackle, that's where most Injuries occur
THe injury wasn't caused by the tackle but by how Snyman decided to slam Casey to the ground full force. He doesn't decide to do that, there is no injury.
Every single rugby player in the world follows through on the tackle. They’re supposed to do that. You absolute babies.
Finally i agree in most part with OTB.
I can't believe what these pundits are saying. No issue with the tackle. Why would a rugby player go soft on a tackle. It's a sport if attrition. You don't decide on your level of impact based on the size of the player you are tackling. You are there to bring the player down and to leave a mark (legally). The outcome of the tackle was unfortunate but that was partially due to hard rock nature of the pitch. Also does the player knock his head on the referees leg on the way down? Hope the lad has a full recovery, no lasting affects and is seen on the pitch asap
Looked like clear foul play to me - Casey no longer in possession of the ball- no need to make a tackle! Its not rocket science.
The decision by Leinster to sign RGS when he'd played for Munster did not sit comfortably; after this incident the writing is on the wall.
it does not matter what anybody says about punishment. That's up the officials. Not you, not I so leave it there.
Like all those perfectly legal late follow throughs on the Bulls from Leinster that were all okayed by the Ref ?
Couldnt even pay attention to your commentary it is your deep voice that caught my attention reminded me of an audio book Richest man in Babylon , i really think your voice should be showcased
A very valid question asked.I didn’t like the length of the tackle.Follow through on player without the ball to long.🇿🇦
Come on guys - Siya had a mini fallout with Eben when he got dumped at a Stormers training session ( the two are close) point is that’s how rugby rolls everyday - no quarter asked or given at Test level Surely?? In Chasing the Sun 2 RG actually makes a statement about playing even harder against mates
If you pull back the coach doesn’t pick you next week, size difference? What a stupid point to make, when the half side steps a lock he doesn’t slow the step down to allow the lock to keep up
Is it a late hit and/ or a bit on the high side ??
Not the hit, its what happens AFTER the hit.
The tackle was perfect, no one that actually knows the rules is disputing this.
No the tackle was perfect. The other guy had his eyes open but wasn't paying attention.
I love how the mood has shifted. All we heard for many months is how great Ireland are - now they moaning about a legitimate tackle. It’s just unfortunate how Casey landed but no malice in it. They need to worry about Saturday - because if Boks turn on the screws it could get ugly 😂 but I guess they will blame the Ref and TMO just like the did after the first test
Wasn’t long ago that the Springboks were called “whingers” and “whiners” by the Irish media….my goodness! You guys are becoming increasingly more embarrassing.
Disgraceful. Red card for the referee! Casey's head hits the ground before his eyes. He sees nothing, then continues as if nothing had happened and doesn't even issue a yellow card. When there are deaths, those responsible for these situations will continue to say: "Nothing happened! At least we didn't see anything!"
What have these guys achieved in rugby?
There was clearly an overlap, rugby players regularly tackle after the ball to put another attacker on the floor, Ireland slow down defence by lying on top of players.
They say they aren't blaming, then they say he didn't have to follow through, but he did, the more players you can delay the less effective the attack/defence.
Ive seen players' head get stamped on, arms broken, got a knee to the temple immediately blacked out. Rugby isnt for weak men.
What happened to Gerr? Haven't seen that bloke in a while
Did he just say a rugby player playing for his country should hold back on tackiling people hard because he knows the opponent....what is happening😂
And the music during the stoppage, what else are you supposed to do. Let 50 000 people just sit in silence for 5 min....
Theres no argument, it was legal, no problem, you don’t pull back, exactly it’s rugby,
Oh common please, how does he pull back mid tackle?
Prime example of giving your all for your country. Mentality of this panel is a joke.
well im sure the ref was that good . Lowe was a mile in touch. He was South Africa best player by a mile
they missed try from Doris
Clearing out and following through with a very hard tackle are to very different actions. I think he knew what he was doing and intended harm. The ball had moved on everyone was looking following the ball as shown in multiple clips and pictires yet apparently not Snyman ???.
The ref literally standing beside them see's it and does nothing is the real problem.
With all the talk of making rugby safer with less concussions and head injurys amd this silly actions are aloud happen without even a basic warning is not right.
If only some of the Irish Dads pulled out🤦
It is a clean tackle. Stop being soft. 😂 this is laughable.
You disagree that player welfare should be considered? Will you tell all the retired players with brain diseases due to brain injuries that they should have played Netball?
@@turloughconway8178 its a clean tackle. If you have a problem with a clean tackle then yes please go enjoy your netball.
Pulling back in test rugby does not really happen.
this could be ugly for us🤦🏾♂️
Ask Chris Laidlaw
Alan, don't kid yourself, man, RJ, like every rugby player wants to go thump the opposition, regardless if it's an ex team mate, a smaller player or whatever. He is playing for his country at international level and in the heat of 'batttle' you don't pull your punches. Casy got walloped in this instant, end of story, malicious or not malicious, it was legal according to the adjudicators of the match. I get the sense you are trying to remain neutral, though your constant use of 'but' makes your statements a little commical. Commit to an opinion...
What do you think is it foul play
He was offside as well when making the tackle.....!!!
RG Snyman went straight through the ruck to get to Casey so it was legal and the TMO did check it as well..FYI you actually go harder against people you know so I don't understand this "he knows him" crap 😂😂
Its not the tackle, its how Snyman used full force to slam him to the ground causing the injury. He falls in a normal way after that tackle, Casey doesn't get hurt. Deliberate, dangerous play.
@@turloughconway8178 Go watch again RG was fully committed to the tackle,Casey then unknown to RG used his free arm to offload the ball...in my day we used to shout to the would be tackler "I don't have the ball!!".. given that Ragnar was his club mate a few weeks ago perhaps he should've done that
@@SiyoyoStofile-kw6yh 3 mins: th-cam.com/video/3IYZpHWATrE/w-d-xo.html
Don't follow through with the tackle....you bunch of melts😂😂😂
People in this comment section are doing more moaning than the panel, give over
Clean tackle.
What he does after the hit is certainly not clean and caused the brain injuiry to Casey
@@turloughconway8178 it was clean. Stop being soft.
@@henzelbitzi859 Would you say that to all the ex players with brain disease? Protecting players from brain injuries is not soft. Snyman slams him full force into the ground causing the injury. He then pushes his face into the unconcious Casey in a "Got ya" move showing it was deliberate.
@@turloughconway8178 clean tackle. Can’t ref it due to the outcome.
@@turloughconway8178 he did not push his face into the ground. He puts his hand on his shouldEr and pushes down to lift himself up. Wow... Are we discussing rugby here or football 😂
A penalty and a yellow
Why does Alan not finish his sentences which is annoying.
His way of remaining non committed to either side of the subject. He has always been the same, not really a good pundit.
Maybe focus on your own poor grammar and punctuation.
Cue a horde of whining sneering SA trolls. Helps with the clicks I guess.
😂😂why you whining ?
Just the boks getting away with murder again and everybody just axcepting it. His sholder was on his neck level and he knew the ball was not there. Any other team it would have been a red card and pending investigating but IRB and world rugby scared of rassie. International rugby is becoming a joke the way the boks run the show and everyone is just smiling and fine with what is happening.
He could have doid! God bless the Irish. They do love a good moan.
No a penalty I think
Crying is fast turning into Ireland's national sport.
They would make the semis for that...if not the final
What are you doing here Saffa? What some attention child?
@@washerdryer3466 Whatever about his trolling, he's entitled to comment here.
@@Leeside999 Yes it's the internet business model. Obnoxious toxicity = clicks = cash.
@@washerdryer3466 It's not his video.
Don't have to keep following through?? Is this touch rugby? SHUT TF
Will you tell all the retired players with brain diseases due to brain injuries sustained by cheap shot rugby players? Where is your honour?
@turloughconway8178 It was a fair tackle?? When casey stepped on the field that day he was fully aware of the risks, is he surprised he got tackled in a rugby game by a team know for bulldozing players??
Sorry! A very "cheap" shot! on a mismatched player!
When did Alan Quinlan become a massive crybaby 😂😂😂 he used to be balanced.
Joh Irish likes to cry
Really daft question!
Cry me a river. Tackled too hard and music in the stadium? Get a grip Ireland, maybe you should go riverdance instead.
Bow down to South African Rugby...You were never going to win that game. Ireland was lucky to win the last 2 games at the world Cup and in Dublin. Those games were within 5points...Springboks lost those games due to poor ref decisions. And lets say the TMO and the ref were wrong, which they were not, Then I would still celebrate shamelessly because Ireland been getting away with foul play, illegal play and Cynical play.
😂
Try to be more respectful and not like a spoilt child
You're adding to the growing impression many of us have that a lot of SA "fans" are absolute clowns and a blight on the game. Well done
Run to the mirror, the muppet show is on!
BLAH...BLAH...BLAH.... BLAH
Pusssayyy
Aah go and play touch rugby
Might as well play touch rugby?😂
Did the Springbok player know the ball had been passed or did he still think the Irish player was holding the ball?
This is the only question.
(EDIT) - Snyman looks to the right when he follows through with the tackle, while the ball is to the left, so did Snyman see the ball being flung by Casey? Probably not because Snyman was not looking in that direction, his head was tucked to the right as he tackled Casey.
Please Ireland, stop crying over everything. Rugby is a man's game for touch men. You're not doing yourselves any favours.
There are rules for player safety for a reason. Has nothing to do with being a man's game. Your Username 'Jesus Is Lord' makes you clearly a sheep, not a man of independent thought.
Yellow card
lol I thought this is rugby, not ballet
As an Irish fan wasn’t a danger just a typical tackle from SA but it’s rude for that music to be played but South Africans are not the nicest to us Irish for whatever reason
Agreed! I blame the authorities at that particular venue. More respect please!
@@tonytempler3567 correct
it's not rude they are entertaining the crowed and south Africans got nothing against the Irish in fact the south Africans like the Irish, Wales and New Zealand the most of all teams if you were England that's a different story
Let us go back to the old days, to many transgender rules in RUGBY.
Will you tell all the retired players with brain diseases due to brain injuries sustained by cheap shot rugby players? Where is your honour?
@@turloughconway8178Let's keep it simple, rugby is a contact sport, and every war got casualties.
@@danie1468 That's only true if the injury was accidental and colateral to teh actual tackle. After he grabs Casey he slams him with full force into the ground causing the brain injury. He further pushes his head into Caseys (like the 'hardman' he thinks he is) showing it wasn't deliberate.
@@turloughconway8178 fc man you get brain diseases from just crossing a street with all this polluted air or lung infection there is injuries everywhere even in your work places so come on its a career
This is Rugby gentleman. Stop complaining.🇿🇦
None of the Irish player's reacted because :1) they maintained the tackle was fair 2) they were scared
Let Casey play soccer if he doesn't like been tackled by big guys
Stupid comment
You disagree that player welfare should be considered? Will you tell all the retired players with brain diseases due to brain injuries that they should have played Netball or soccer etc?
@@turloughconway8178 it a contact sport they know what's the risks you can maximize the safety of players and there will be still injuries it happens it's not deliberate at least his okay that all that matters
A bunch of whingers
Did you even watch the game?
It was a normal rugby action and the difference in size caused the unfortunate part of him bumping his head against the surface
I really hope his ok
Thats why I respect the All Blacks so much more than Ireland.. they know Loftus, and the Loftus crowd... they've played in front of that crowd with music and all ... and even talked about it in their documentaries.
Anyone could see South Africa was the better team on the day...no amount of TMO decisions was going to secure a win for Ireland with the way they played
They were robbed in the WC final. Another good try chalked off. You win a lot of games like that don't you.
You don't have to explain.We know the South Africans hate the Irish upstarts with a passion.Why spend so much time in these channel thinking about the Irish? Who cares you hate the Irish so what?
SA supporters seem to have developed some sort of complex about Ireland in the last couple of years 😂 of maybe it is just a general attitude problem?
@@dazza4345 It's just sports mate, it's not that deep.
@@hankscorpion9939 SA minds, always that bit arrogant, be it football or rugby/cricket...but they'll get their "excuse " day soon.....like the biggest whinner is a journo called Mark Keohane....the SA way or no way!! lol
Irish crocodile tears. Boo hoo.
There is no argument
Cj stander on pat Lambie .?????...Irish memories are short ....