there's miles, country miles...and the endless miles of flatland between the mountains and the Mississippi... big sky and wide open view and clear mountain mornings
Question: What kind of pilot training is required to fly a light jet? I assume it would be a little less training than a commercial airliner? What about the flight hours?
All aircraft that weigh over 12500 lbs (and jets) require a specific type-rating in that specific aircraft. The HondaJet is a very simple jet in terms of its operations but the course is still, I think, 18 days long. But it's a grueling 18 days and requires a minimum of 1000 hours of flight experience. Airliners are bigger, more complex, older and, are being flown under a much more arduous set of rules. Their initial aircraft training classes are over a month long to my knowledge but there's probably a week or more of time spent on non-aircraft related things like, "Company rules." Ultimately, is it easier to become a HondaJet pilot than an airline pilot...? Probably not. Is the training shorter...? Yes.
I delivered an engine to the Cessna service center years ago and recall driving past the (still not quite finished) Honda facility. That was my first clue they were going into the GA jet business.
its a testimate to the Garman G3000 in the Honda Elite, what a brilliant system. A smart consolidation of what would normally be exclusive to big boy commercial airliners. But for such a system to be matched up int the big boy flying Honda Elite, just perfection. Imagine what all this would be like in the forthcoming Honda Jet 2600!!!! If the Honda Jet wasnt already a game changer Imagine what the 2600 will do to the Private Light Jet market. It will sent shockwaves thru the buying industry in several categories both above and below since nothing is on the market anything near to what its proposed targets will meet.
I wonder what the thinking was behind putting the PTT button in the glareshield. Seems an odd choice ergonomically of having to reach outward & upward for it. If you're hand flying in rough conditions, I would think find that button when you're bouncing around would be a kinda PITA. Oh - and thanks for posting the flight.
tda3fjr So there’s three PTT buttons on each side. Six total. One on the Mic, one on the glareshield and then one on the armrest right where your hand goes. I like the armrest one the most but on the glareshield you actually squeeze it with your thumb (if I remember correctly) so it’s great in turbulence.
Haha, no, that would only be like 30 flights! If there is a maintenance requirement for the engine pylon (I'm not that familiar with that requirement) it would part of a visual or NDT inspection, not a component replacement at a set interval.
ols884 Delayed reply! It doesn’t have A/T in that it does not advance the throttles for you but it is fully FADEC controlled so it will adjust power settings as set in the flight computers. So like Autothrottle Lite!
Bharat Kumar Gupta It only looks that way. The seat height is adjustable so the amount of panel you want to see can be changed. For the most part though, pilots of this category aircraft are not looking outside the plane except during takeoff and landing. Everything is done by instruments along with guidance from ATC.
Those are three great jets. Very hard to decide. If money were not an object... and I don't care how much money you have, it's ALWAYS an object... I lean HondaJet. So fast, so quiet, so innovative. The M2 is very nice too and has the G3000 cockpit but is nowhere near the performer. The Phenom was a lot of fun to fly too though.
It’s worth considering and being aware of. I’ve heard of some pilots convincing the owners to sell because of “how squirrely” it can be in a gusting crosswind. I’ve heard others say the only people that have problems with crosswinds aren’t proficient enough. The truth probably lies somewhere in between…
So are the Honda jet elite worth investing? I've looked online and these jets go for roughly $1,600 per hr compared to $2,000 plus for other similar jets.
In my opinion, they are a great jet. The operating envelope is quite large so it works for a wide range of missions. Removing the cost of the aircraft from the equation (which you really can't do) for the speed, passenger load, range, and safety features, I don't think the HondaJet really has a direct rival. It fits perfectly in between a Phenom 100 and a Phenom 300 and for a lot of people, the 100 is too light / small and the 300 larger and more expensive than necessary. That said, you can do a lot with $5 million on the used jet market too!
With all due respect, "No, that's not a plane you want to get, it's new and we just don't know enough about it" is strikingly bizarre response for a professional aircraft acquisition consultant. Heck, I'm no pro but know that corporately Honda never brings ANYTHING to market that hasn't been exhaustively tested beyond belief, and this is a JET, not a Civic. I've seen their display at airshows and NBAA's for years before the first one was sold, how is it possible not to know anything about it, much less tell a client not to get it?! Interesting...
With all due respect back at ya; general rule of thumb is that you never want to own the first 100 serial numbers delivered on a newly certificated aircraft. Especially one from a new manufacturer (of aircraft) that took a decade to certify it. Seeing a display at NBAA doesn't speak to the build quality, production standards, reliability or, most importantly, the aircrafts' support network. Not just in terms of service (which is somewhat limited) but parts supply, AOG support and engines. There is so much new and proprietary to the HondaJet that my reservations, even in hindsight, were merited and while most of them were put to rest at the factory, some still remain. I take the responsibility to spend $5.5 million dollars of my clients money on an aircraft very seriously and don't rely solely on advertising, media articles or expensive static displays to make the decision. It took a factory tour, a demo flight and first hand experience to get there and am happy to say that I learned a lot. That's what professionals do and that level of scrutiny is why we get hired.
@@ChaseAviation the comment in the video irritating me too in the first step, the way you said it. Now with that closer answer in the comments it makes more sense to me to understand your point of the statement. It might be a factor to look at. In case of Honda Jet 🛩 I would not have most of the concerns you put on the list. Different to me to a smaller company close to the market right now with jets coming up. By now there are a lot of Honda Jets put out on sales and flying. So the jet makes sense and the market asked for this jet. I would do the step you did now with the Honda jet first, before I tell my clients not to go for this. Rather I would prefer to say: it might be a good idea, the jet is new to the market, let me check this out for you. I personally think its better to catch up to the main asked products on the market and knowing the skills about it, so I have chances to do optimized my business for my clients. But at the end of the story it’s good and positive that you are critical with new airplanes, but keep up on the front line, so you have the best chances for business. In my personal opinion. Everyone as he she wishes and feel comfortable.
I know this is a stupid question but I'm going to ask it anyway for daydreaming purposes. If money wasn't the problem but also no previous flight experience, would it be possible to train from Day 1 to eventually be certified for the HJ. I realize it's multi engine and retractable landing gear so that requires a number of different certifications. Is this just too much and way too fast for a novice pilot?
Not a stupid question. It wouldn't be impossible, just very difficult with high probability of burn out. There's so many practical test standards for private pilot check rides that almost couldn't be learned / taught in a business jet. That's best for a Cessna 172. For your instrument... totally doable and probably easier. For commercial, there again, PTS standards get in the way. (Ground reference in a Jet is tough!) And then the problem becomes finding a Designated Examiner that's typed and legal to give you check rides. As I type this I'm realizing that you wouldn't be able to solo since the plane requires a type rating to fly being over 12,500lbs (and a Jet) and that's a requirement for training. So essentially, no, you can't!
@@ChaseAviation I can't remember the channel but there was a guy who bought a Phenom 300...I think....fastest light jet?.... who received all of his ratiings within 6-12 months. He submerged himself in it. Does that ring any bells?
Tom Board, I will not mention the name of that channel out of respect for this one, but I have seen that video. The guy you are referring to was a friend of that youtuber. If I'm not mistaken, he already had a PPL and did nothing but study his ratings and fly everyday to get them before he took delivery of the phenom in two or three months (I believe). Something I wish I had the time and money to do!
It’s not. You won’t find a pressurized baggage compartment until you get into much, much larger aircraft. Dogs are family though and there’s plenty of room in the cabin!
@@ChaseAviation Looks like the PC-12 or PC-24 is a hands down win in that department. PC-12 with the same range much greater capacity and STOL capabilities though a mite slower. PC-24 with better STOL capabilities twice the load capacity, but twice the price. PC-12 much better choice but the Honda massages the Ego better.
The PC-12 cruises at 265kts. The HondaJet cruises at 420. Completely different world and mission. The PC-24 is a superior airplane to the HondaJet but it’s also twice as expensive... so there’s that!
Yeah, yeah, I know.... More cameras = better content. Next videos will do this. This one was never meant to be on TH-cam or for entertainment... it was just audio / video from the cockpit for the guy that was buying it.
I like the honda jet...but for all of the efficiencies it has, its range performance is not that good...1400+ nm. I wish it had more range. That aside, I’d probably buy one if I had the money!
Ralph Freshour Hi Ralph. While I tend to agree, more range is always better, but for the category aircraft, I believe it has the longest range. There are definitely older, less expensive jets you can buy that have more range. They are just nowhere near as efficient and cost a lot more to operate.
Chase Aviation Company that’s what kind of throws me for a loop. Honda says it’s the “most efficient” but never details what that means. Is it only in its fuel burn? It’s certainly not efficient in range. What other aircraft, in the Honda jet class, competes with it?
Hi Ralph, the segment that the HondaJet is in is like a Cessna Citation CJ2. It’s much more than a Phenom 100 but is certainly no Phenom 300 in terms of seating capacity and range. The original production HJ (up to SN 126 I think) lacks an additional fuel tank that the Elite version has that pushes the range out to 1400nm. Very substantial and definitely class leading. I would tend to agree that it is the most “efficient” as well, mostly referring to its aerodynamic characteristics. The wings are completely seamless and have no rivets. I was the biggest skeptic of them all and was truly blown away.
1400 nm range for light jet is actually very good considering the efficiency of Honda jet cannot be touched by Phenom 300. Phenom 300 has greater range at a much greater initial cost and operational cost.
I believe the Beach Boys did a Honda review awhile back. They said it's more fun than a barrel of monkeys (?) Apparently they want it to go faster though. th-cam.com/video/qZOGlgVldAs/w-d-xo.html
@@sedonasunrise8837 Considering the years each song was written, it appears Mr. John used the Beach Boys lyric 😉 That said, according to Dictionary dot com, the expression has been around since 1895.
kimosabbe50 I checked this out. You are totally correct. I discovered that Ed King from The Beach Boys was the same Ed King from Skynard. May He and Ronnie RIP In their honor I will crank Skynard through the Bongiovani system and rock this Hondarocket at 483mph 💫🏜
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Best video I've seen on the HondaJet, from a pilot's perspective. Thank you for posting!
Paul Duggan Yes Sir! That’s raw video, one take only. Planning to do more of them so stay tuned and SUBSCRIBE!
Beautiful jet and fantastic view of AF1 touch and go
Thanks Jeff! Yeah, front row seat for AF1.
"4 and half hour drive that's too far"
Texans: "That just up the road"
I used to live in Houston. Now I drive 1,000,000 miles less a year. 😂
;;☆》♡♡♡.. you can always tell a Texan... but ya can't tell em much
it's back east to me
there's miles, country miles...and the endless miles of flatland between the mountains and the Mississippi... big sky and wide open view
and clear mountain mornings
Awesome airplane Brian! You needed a low cloud deck day to perform an ILS landing too. Maybe another time. Very quiet cabin too.
Question: What kind of pilot training is required to fly a light jet? I assume it would be a little less training than a commercial airliner? What about the flight hours?
All aircraft that weigh over 12500 lbs (and jets) require a specific type-rating in that specific aircraft. The HondaJet is a very simple jet in terms of its operations but the course is still, I think, 18 days long. But it's a grueling 18 days and requires a minimum of 1000 hours of flight experience. Airliners are bigger, more complex, older and, are being flown under a much more arduous set of rules. Their initial aircraft training classes are over a month long to my knowledge but there's probably a week or more of time spent on non-aircraft related things like, "Company rules." Ultimately, is it easier to become a HondaJet pilot than an airline pilot...? Probably not. Is the training shorter...? Yes.
God bless you sir as you fly all the time.
And you as well!
I delivered an engine to the Cessna service center years ago and recall driving past the (still not quite finished) Honda facility. That was my first clue they were going into the GA jet business.
I love the Honda Jet!
Me3👊👊👊💥💥💥💥💥💥
its a testimate to the Garman G3000 in the Honda Elite, what a brilliant system. A smart consolidation of what would normally be exclusive to big boy commercial airliners. But for such a system to be matched up int the big boy flying Honda Elite, just perfection. Imagine what all this would be like in the forthcoming Honda Jet 2600!!!! If the Honda Jet wasnt already a game changer Imagine what the 2600 will do to the Private Light Jet market. It will sent shockwaves thru the buying industry in several categories both above and below since nothing is on the market anything near to what its proposed targets will meet.
Awesome Aircraft
I admire this jet...soon I will buy one
Awesome! 🤙
I wonder what the thinking was behind putting the PTT button in the glareshield. Seems an odd choice ergonomically of having to reach outward & upward for it. If you're hand flying in rough conditions, I would think find that button when you're bouncing around would be a kinda PITA. Oh - and thanks for posting the flight.
tda3fjr So there’s three PTT buttons on each side. Six total. One on the Mic, one on the glareshield and then one on the armrest right where your hand goes. I like the armrest one the most but on the glareshield you actually squeeze it with your thumb (if I remember correctly) so it’s great in turbulence.
Very cool video. Thanks for posting/sharing.
So ...a HondaJet Elite will set one back about 6.5mil I'm guessing????? :)
Ontario Andrews, nah, not that bad. It’s more like $5 million but it depends on the options chosen.
BravO HONDA LikE👍❗️
you guys can fly my plane anytime 😊... I will let you know when I have one... some day really soon I think
Do you have to replace the upper motor mount every 30k miles?
That is a lot of time........
Haha, no, that would only be like 30 flights! If there is a maintenance requirement for the engine pylon (I'm not that familiar with that requirement) it would part of a visual or NDT inspection, not a component replacement at a set interval.
What is the cabin height? I am 6ft, will it be comfortable for someone my height?
rahul kumar Absolutely! Plenty of head room and lots of space between the seats for legs.
Who makes the engines
ronnie massart They are GE engines.
Does it have Auto-Throttle?
ols884 Delayed reply! It doesn’t have A/T in that it does not advance the throttles for you but it is fully FADEC controlled so it will adjust power settings as set in the flight computers. So like Autothrottle Lite!
Why the pilots unable to see outside, cockpit instrument cluster so high, why?
Bharat Kumar Gupta It only looks that way. The seat height is adjustable so the amount of panel you want to see can be changed. For the most part though, pilots of this category aircraft are not looking outside the plane except during takeoff and landing. Everything is done by instruments along with guidance from ATC.
@@ChaseAviation wow, didn't knew that. Thanks for the answer
I noticed that2
@@MOA0831 You need Night vision helmet once you in the sky at night
Brian, if you was in the market for a light jet would you buy a M2, Honda Jet Elite or Phenom 100?
Those are three great jets. Very hard to decide. If money were not an object... and I don't care how much money you have, it's ALWAYS an object... I lean HondaJet. So fast, so quiet, so innovative. The M2 is very nice too and has the G3000 cockpit but is nowhere near the performer. The Phenom was a lot of fun to fly too though.
@@ChaseAviation Thanks
@@ChaseAviation do you think the crosswind limitation on the hondajet is a big deal?
It’s worth considering and being aware of. I’ve heard of some pilots convincing the owners to sell because of “how squirrely” it can be in a gusting crosswind. I’ve heard others say the only people that have problems with crosswinds aren’t proficient enough. The truth probably lies somewhere in between…
I believe Citation M2 is 21kts, and HondaJet is 20 kts. Maximum Demonstrated Crosswind.
So are the Honda jet elite worth investing? I've looked online and these jets go for roughly $1,600 per hr compared to $2,000 plus for other similar jets.
In my opinion, they are a great jet. The operating envelope is quite large so it works for a wide range of missions. Removing the cost of the aircraft from the equation (which you really can't do) for the speed, passenger load, range, and safety features, I don't think the HondaJet really has a direct rival. It fits perfectly in between a Phenom 100 and a Phenom 300 and for a lot of people, the 100 is too light / small and the 300 larger and more expensive than necessary. That said, you can do a lot with $5 million on the used jet market too!
@@ChaseAviation Thanks for taking the time to reply back. Much appreciated.
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@@ChaseAviation I do think its the best family jet out there if buying new and you are an owner pilot. However, I could be wrong.
I want one..
And it can be yours for the low, low price of 5 million USD!
@@ChaseAviation So this or a Bugatti Chiron......
Life is full of hard choices... that’s not one of them. Jet over car, all day long!
With all due respect, "No, that's not a plane you want to get, it's new and we just don't know enough about it" is strikingly bizarre response for a professional aircraft acquisition consultant. Heck, I'm no pro but know that corporately Honda never brings ANYTHING to market that hasn't been exhaustively tested beyond belief, and this is a JET, not a Civic. I've seen their display at airshows and NBAA's for years before the first one was sold, how is it possible not to know anything about it, much less tell a client not to get it?! Interesting...
With all due respect back at ya; general rule of thumb is that you never want to own the first 100 serial numbers delivered on a newly certificated aircraft. Especially one from a new manufacturer (of aircraft) that took a decade to certify it. Seeing a display at NBAA doesn't speak to the build quality, production standards, reliability or, most importantly, the aircrafts' support network. Not just in terms of service (which is somewhat limited) but parts supply, AOG support and engines. There is so much new and proprietary to the HondaJet that my reservations, even in hindsight, were merited and while most of them were put to rest at the factory, some still remain. I take the responsibility to spend $5.5 million dollars of my clients money on an aircraft very seriously and don't rely solely on advertising, media articles or expensive static displays to make the decision. It took a factory tour, a demo flight and first hand experience to get there and am happy to say that I learned a lot. That's what professionals do and that level of scrutiny is why we get hired.
Yeah that comment at the beginning too me aback as well.
@@ChaseAviation the comment in the video irritating me too in the first step, the way you said it. Now with that closer answer in the comments it makes more sense to me to understand your point of the statement. It might be a factor to look at. In case of Honda Jet 🛩 I would not have most of the concerns you put on the list. Different to me to a smaller company close to the market right now with jets coming up. By now there are a lot of Honda Jets put out on sales and flying. So the jet makes sense and the market asked for this jet. I would do the step you did now with the Honda jet first, before I tell my clients not to go for this. Rather I would prefer to say: it might be a good idea, the jet is new to the market, let me check this out for you. I personally think its better to catch up to the main asked products on the market and knowing the skills about it, so I have chances to do optimized my business for my clients. But at the end of the story it’s good and positive that you are critical with new airplanes, but keep up on the front line, so you have the best chances for business. In my personal opinion. Everyone as he she wishes and feel comfortable.
I'm not sure I'd count a belted lav as a seat- restless passengers?. Aside from that, all good.
It's a "time out chair" for an unruly child.
Are those Lexus logos on the controls?! 😂
Hahaha. Kinda!
I would like more than One side view,😊😊😊😊
Howard jr Rock Totally agree! Big plans for two more cameras for future videos.
I know this is a stupid question but I'm going to ask it anyway for daydreaming purposes. If money wasn't the problem but also no previous flight experience, would it be possible to train from Day 1 to eventually be certified for the HJ. I realize it's multi engine and retractable landing gear so that requires a number of different certifications. Is this just too much and way too fast for a novice pilot?
Not a stupid question. It wouldn't be impossible, just very difficult with high probability of burn out. There's so many practical test standards for private pilot check rides that almost couldn't be learned / taught in a business jet. That's best for a Cessna 172. For your instrument... totally doable and probably easier. For commercial, there again, PTS standards get in the way. (Ground reference in a Jet is tough!) And then the problem becomes finding a Designated Examiner that's typed and legal to give you check rides. As I type this I'm realizing that you wouldn't be able to solo since the plane requires a type rating to fly being over 12,500lbs (and a Jet) and that's a requirement for training. So essentially, no, you can't!
@@ChaseAviation I can't remember the channel but there was a guy who bought a Phenom 300...I think....fastest light jet?.... who received all of his ratiings within 6-12 months. He submerged himself in it. Does that ring any bells?
No, but sounds awesome!
Tom Board, I will not mention the name of that channel out of respect for this one, but I have seen that video. The guy you are referring to was a friend of that youtuber. If I'm not mistaken, he already had a PPL and did nothing but study his ratings and fly everyday to get them before he took delivery of the phenom in two or three months (I believe). Something I wish I had the time and money to do!
Well, I want to see the video so please do share the name!
It's only Air Force One when the president is aboard. Somehow, I doubt they're doing touch & goes with the president.
Never know!
Biden forgets where he is all the time so a touch and go is probably routine. 😬
Is the baggage compartment pressurized, heated? My dogs want to know.
It’s not. You won’t find a pressurized baggage compartment until you get into much, much larger aircraft. Dogs are family though and there’s plenty of room in the cabin!
@@ChaseAviation Looks like the PC-12 or PC-24 is a hands down win in that department. PC-12 with the same range much greater capacity and STOL capabilities though a mite slower. PC-24 with better STOL capabilities twice the load capacity, but twice the price. PC-12 much better choice but the Honda massages the Ego better.
The PC-12 cruises at 265kts. The HondaJet cruises at 420. Completely different world and mission. The PC-24 is a superior airplane to the HondaJet but it’s also twice as expensive... so there’s that!
By the way, I will do doing a PC-12 demo video in the next two weeks so like and SUBSCRIBE to make sure you don’t miss it!
@@ChaseAviation I mentioned all those facts. Looks like I have done more research than you, but then I am actually looking to buy one.
Just want to be honest i like the pilot
I would like to meet the pilot in real life i hope so be safe tc
Was that Pete
Nice job
Maybe. 😜
I love how you have about 6” of view 😂
Yeah, yeah, I know.... More cameras = better content. Next videos will do this. This one was never meant to be on TH-cam or for entertainment... it was just audio / video from the cockpit for the guy that was buying it.
I like the honda jet...but for all of the efficiencies it has, its range performance is not that good...1400+ nm. I wish it had more range. That aside, I’d probably buy one if I had the money!
Ralph Freshour Hi Ralph. While I tend to agree, more range is always better, but for the category aircraft, I believe it has the longest range. There are definitely older, less expensive jets you can buy that have more range. They are just nowhere near as efficient and cost a lot more to operate.
Chase Aviation Company that’s what kind of throws me for a loop. Honda says it’s the “most efficient” but never details what that means. Is it only in its fuel burn? It’s certainly not efficient in range. What other aircraft, in the Honda jet class, competes with it?
Hi Ralph, the segment that the HondaJet is in is like a Cessna Citation CJ2. It’s much more than a Phenom 100 but is certainly no Phenom 300 in terms of seating capacity and range. The original production HJ (up to SN 126 I think) lacks an additional fuel tank that the Elite version has that pushes the range out to 1400nm. Very substantial and definitely class leading. I would tend to agree that it is the most “efficient” as well, mostly referring to its aerodynamic characteristics. The wings are completely seamless and have no rivets. I was the biggest skeptic of them all and was truly blown away.
Fly slower get more fuel efficiency
1400 nm range for light jet is actually very good considering the efficiency of Honda jet cannot be touched by Phenom 300. Phenom 300 has greater range at a much greater initial cost and operational cost.
I believe the Beach Boys did a Honda review awhile back. They said it's more fun than a barrel of monkeys (?) Apparently they want it to go faster though. th-cam.com/video/qZOGlgVldAs/w-d-xo.html
The Beech Boys needed a Honda Jet!
Wasn’t that an Elton John lyric from ‘Saturday Nights Alright for Fighting ? ‘
@@sedonasunrise8837 Considering the years each song was written, it appears Mr. John used the Beach Boys lyric 😉 That said, according to Dictionary dot com, the expression has been around since 1895.
kimosabbe50 I checked this out. You are totally correct. I discovered that Ed King from The Beach Boys was the same Ed King from Skynard. May He and Ronnie RIP
In their honor I will crank Skynard through the Bongiovani system and rock this Hondarocket at 483mph 💫🏜
The HondaJet we demoed didn't have the Bongiovanni system in it... I think it's like a $100k option.
Hmmm…not good airmanship not programing the correct runway…
Nah, that feature is very much "advisory" in nature only. At a "new" airport, it would be very useful though.
:))