BATMAN RETROSPECTIVE ( 1989 - 1997 )
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- Taking a look back at the original Tim Burton / Joel Schumacher Batman Tetralogy.
Batman - The Motion Picture (1989)
Batman Returns (1992)
Batman Forever (1995)
Batman and Robin (1997)
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Is it odd that Prince strangely looks more like the comic book Joker in build, face and even hair?
BATMAN: 0:00
BATMAN RETURNS: 23:15
BATMAN FOREVER: 45:16
BAAN AND ROBIN: 1:04:41
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@@RosesForPeep & Robn
Before Harley Quinn, we have Bob.
Bob is love.
True
Bob is his number one guy
He was also Larry, with his brother Darryl and his other brother Darryl.
Bob was life.
Lol I had the Bob action figure (along w/Batman of course) as a kid. I don't think I ever had the Joker though...
Finally someone else that appreciates “Batman Returns”! (Fun fact, Michelle Pfeiffer actually learned to use the bull whip for this film and put up a recent video clip showing that she still has skills with the whip all these years later!)
I think it's underrated myself. I think it's a very surreal Christmas movie in fact.
I’d love to see her return as the character in the future since Michael Keaton is returning as Batman in the upcoming flash movie I’d love to see her return as a cameo or something
I agree. I just watched it for the first time last saturday. Pretty great. I liked catwoman.
@@ash896 to Ty
Here's another fun fact: in the scene when Catwoman put the Penguins canary in her mouth, MP really had a live bird in her mouth. Now that's commitment to one's character.
I never took it as Catwoman getting extra lives from the cats. Even as a kid, I took that whole scene as Selina going nuts. She fell out of the window and all those tarps slowed her down enough not to die on impact. She only believed she was like a cat with 9 lives, but it was all really in her messed up head
It's very possible Selina didnt die. She had the air knocked out of her though. She went through too many things to slow down her fall
Same
@@LukeLovesRose Having the air knocked out of you makes you feel like you're going to die anyway.
We saw her alive after a massive electric shock.
Yeah, she didn't die from the initial fall. She was dying from the multiple shots Max put into her. So she took both of them out.
Finally someone else who thinks Kilmer was great both as Batman and Bruce. I think he played the duality of the roles better than anyone else I have seen on film.
Val deserved to be Batman in a better movie
Val was my Batman, as close to Kevin Conroy type as you’re gonna get!
@@josephgrace5955 well. Have you heard of the Schumacher cut yeah it’s great
Also people criticise his acting in which he is seemly emotionally disconnected and dark I mean he is playing Batman who is what I just gave an example of he played the way Bruce is
@@fightcinema3917 After Damien Wayne died, Bruce dragged Jason Todd back to the spot Joker killed him all in hopes of forcing memories on how he came back.
When Jason accuses Bruce of using him all Bruce does is yell about how he wants his son back- ignoring how Jason might take that personal.
Lol Batman has always been cold and disconnected from anything that doesn’t go along with his plans
The writing for Batman / Bruce Wayne in the Animated Series was superior to all of the movies. I love how he dressed up to infiltrate and investigate.
That is true I feel like animated series kept the live action movies alive
I liked Billy Dee Williams as dent, I would have liked to see him try two face, it would be awesome 😎😎😎
Why does everyone romanticize Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent, in the 3 minutes of screen time that he was on? Who is he? What was he in that everyone loves him so much? I’m confused.
@@jonathangoldsmith7832 it's because he didn't get the chance so it's easier to believe he would have been amazing, than if he had been.
@@jonathangoldsmith7832 he played Lando Calrrisean
In the lego Batman, he has a few lines as Two Face
@@palgameruk8996
Yeah. It’s the idea of Billy Dee, not anything he actually did in the role.
For me, with the joker, I find the scariest aspect about him is that he is terrifying but can also be suave and charming to women and even seem funny to little kids if he wants to, all at the same time. I think Mark Hamill did it the best
True but Jack was born to play the live-action counterpart and they tried to reinvent The Joker with Ledger
@@LukeLovesRose Jack was ok. He's the 2nd worst joker after the 1960's versionm though
@@Vazo999 2nd worst Joker?? Really??
Still, the Bat-suit, the Bat-Logo, the Batmobile and the Batwing from Burton's 1989 movie are still my favourites and were never bettered.
I actually think the suit in Returns was the best but totally agree with you about everything else. 👍
The animated series batmobile needs to be added
In my opinion Keaton was the best Batman and Bruce Wayne ever.. He brought so much real pain and anger to the role. If someone actually had lost their parents in front of them...
I love that you included the cameo from Knox, I love even more his hour by hour theory, cuz it’s totally correct.
Batman didn't remember joker as his parents killer because he had a repressed memory and couldn't remember his face right away.at least that's the way I took it
I think both Batman 1989 and Superman 1978 made it possible for Comic Book movies to become mainstream Hollywood blockbusters. The massive box office success of Batman 1989 encouraged studios to create Comic Book films such as Darkman, The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles films of the 90s, The Shadow, Swamp Thing, The Phantom, The Rocketeer, Dick Tracy, Dolph Lundgren take on The Punisher etc.
I like Dolph Lungren as the Punisher. The movie around him was what (mostly) sucked.
Also, it originally released in 1989. (The US release was years later and directly to video, but it did see theaters in some regions.)
And I agree. I wish they built Billy Dee Williams up to become very powerful as Harvey Dent / Two Face
Val is such a solid actor, even though it's a little out there, The Saint, which came out in 1997 is another film he does a great job in, a spy/heist film.
He was also Moses in TPOE.
The Saint was frickin awesome and does not get enough love.
Batman Forever will always be my favorite of the four. First live-action Batman I saw in theaters (saw Mask of the Phantasm a year or two before). I got the VHS the Christmas after it came out and I must have watched that tape dozens of times in the years after.
Jack Nicolson is my first introduction to the joker, special place in my heart!
Andrew Bryniarski played Max Schreck’s son Charles "Chip" Shreck. in Batman Returns. Andrew Bryniarski is most famous for playing Leatherface in Texas Chainsaw Remakes. I believe he’s played Leatherface 2times in remakes of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
My personal favorite live action movie is Batman ('89) followed by The Dark Knight, though I do really like Batman Returns... probably places about 5th for me.
Batman Mask of The Phantasm is my definitive favorite Batman movie, and I think it's objectively the best ever.
Agreed 👍
I really couldn’t agree more with you about these films, I love your videos. Could listen to you talk about Batman for hours on end, thanks!
I think I remember hearing in an Interview Jim Carry had with Norm MacDonald, that Tommy Lee Jones hated working with Jim, and would often remark that he was _"Too ridiculous to work with",_ considering his performance in Batman Returns, I'd argue they're both a bit too ridiculous at times so it's weird that he's painting Jim as the only one being ridiculous in those roles in that movie.
He’s not talking about just Carrey’s performance. Carrey was at diva status by then, and he has had a few co stars say he was too much.
To be fair, Tommy Lee Jones is disliked by a lot of people too. I’ve heard good and bad about them both.
I have heard multiple TH-camrs, who either used to, or still do press junkets, say Jones was the worst star to interview.
He’s allegedly pretty similar to the Agent K character from MIB, whether on a set or not.
I tend to think that because he hated Jim Carrey, he tried really hard to outdo him at his own act
I'm not gonna watch this now, but be sure I'll watch after the university test I got now. Love your videos Vee
About the Batman 1989 soundtrack, and thank you for making it a topic in your video because if not, I would not have thought of this.. I personally enjoy the Prince music in the movie. And it's cool if you don't. To each their own, lol. But I started thinking, this movie really is split right down the middle if you think about it. It has two separate themes going on. One being Batman and the other being the joker. That theme carries over into the soundtrack as well. I really feel like the Danny elfman music showcases Batman while the Prince music definitely is made to represent the joker. It is very jarring and different, but I think that's why it works.
I'm 56 and I saw it when It came out and loved it, I just watched it today and I loved it. Among other things, few people mention the music by Prince !
When we watch it today, we have to remember this was the best of 1989. I liked the scene to scene action! cutting out the transitions to keep it moving and not boring, superhero movies ask you to use your imagination, like when you're reading the old-fashioned comic books, for it's time , I see it as groundbreaking. Today we incorrectly compare it to all the other movies that came later . The original Batman movie is a piece of art. It stands by itself, this is the movie that set up all the other future superhero movies that we enjoy today.
Val Kilmer had the perfect voice and look for Batman. He sounded a lot like Kevin Conroy and his performance was pure BATMAN
The only Batman on camera? Keaton! Period.
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Thankfully the batman89 comic replaced the Joel Schumacher Batman films and made those there own thing
I grew up in the 90s watching the Batman movies I used to always think Rob and looked old he was around 25 playing like 17 but to a little kid Robin and Batman looked almost the same age and I know as a kid I loved the Michael Keaton Batmans📽️📼📺
Without Keaton voice, we would never know what Batman sounds like. No guide for Conroy, Bale, or anyone to follow.
My only problem with the live action actors portrayal, is that they don't know how to mix sounding menacing, to suave, to intelligent, to showing empathy/sympathy.
Call me crazy, but I would have loved to see either Kevin Conroy or Bruce Greenwood in audition at the time for a live action. Because the thing about those guys is that they know how to mix ever Batman emotion without it being force. With Conroy, you can feel him as someone who knows how to interrogate, who also knows how to be a lady's man, to knowing how to be prepared, to going into complete shock when he witnesses something out of the blue. Some good examples would be in his encounter with Catwoman, his shock when he witnesses Harvey Dent go nuts and then get his face scarred, his fight with Clayface, and when Harley Quinn was in his Batmobile and almost got them killed
And Bruce Greenwood (watch him in Under The Red Hood) knows how to be someone who can do all those things as well, but also shows his mentorship and when to pick his fights. I mean look at the fight between him and Jason for example.
LMAO. Dont bring up Bale. That roaring Batman voice was a little much
@@osmanyousif7849 nah keaton is the best
Oooh I love a good retrospective
Hey vee ur a great TH-camr and I love your content keep it up
I love the campy over the top everything of the Shumacker movies. To me it was always a love letter to the Adam West series.
Yes! This right here! That's why I can watch these movies with some enjoyment because that's how I see them as well.
Idk why you consider Lawrence Fishburne a bad race swap. Can’t imagine anyone cares that much about Perry White and Lawrence’s personality and charisma added to what would otherwise be a flat and forgettable character
Excellent. Something to watch when I get home. Thank you Vee, you are my second favorite youtube after that weird English guy.
Jeffery as Alfred... 😳 That would be amazing 😲
U mean from Fresh Prince??
@@mike_datzmag1c21 Yeah, he'd seriously be funny but serious when needed, what do you think and who would be his batman/B.Wanyne?
@@palgameruk8996 he would of nailed it....if the batman was black also, id see michael jai white (the mob boss the joker killed with a knife and he played spawn) i can see him as the caped crusader but dude knows all kinds of fighting styles and is a legit mma and kickboxer
Can I say I did not realize until watching this video, the clear parallels between Jim Carys Riddler and the Frank Gorshin one from the old Adam West show
You know, I get your perspective and it's nice to hear different opinions on beloved media.
I've always loved Batman 1989, it was a movie I always watched with my mom, (who grew up with Adam West Batman and introduced me to the entire series).
She encouraged my love of DC characters.
For me, it'll always have a special place in my heart.
Mark Hamill as Joker in the Animated Series is my personal favourite.
“He’s Kevin Conroy, he’s Batman! Put it on his headstone when he’s out”
Man this one hits hard now😔😔😔
The first two movies were the Best!
I'm glad you said Batman CO-creator Bob Kane in your Batman Forever segment, because honestly F that guy for totally screwing over Bill Finger
The reason that Michael Keaton and Michelle Pheiffer had such great chemistry? They dated prior to Batman Returns. In fact, he suggested her for the role of Vicki Vale when they were dating, but (thankfully) it didn’t happen bc she’s a great Catwoman. Also, Kudos to Keaton and Pheiffer for being exes and professional actors.
I absolutely love the campy schumaker movies, in fact i still have the movie poster for batman forever i won as a kid during the theatrical release from the theater. There is a place for the campy batman and that is in my heart, right next to batman 66
I love Michelle Pfeifers Catwoman. Again, she influenced the Catwoman in the Animated Series. And Hathaway didnt have a whip. Gimme Michelle in skintight vinyl with a whip any day. Her and Bruce's relationship was the best part of Batman Returns
The Batman films like the Bond films have gone through a cinematic evolution!! They started as dark and gritty with the Keaton films then went campy with the Kilmer and Clooney films. Then went back to being dark and realistic with the Bale and Affleck films. Just like the James Bond films started as gritty with the Sean Connery films. Transitioned into being goofy and over the top with the Roger Moore films. Then eventually went back into being dark and gritty again with the Daniel Craig films.
53:12 love how he imitates the dark night bane, before it was even written🤣😭💯
Robin is the most accurate depiction of a teenager put on film. He should have been nominated for an oscar.
Except that he’s played by a 38 year old.
@@jimmy2k4oexcept he was 25.
You know it surprised me and that you never mentioned Micheal Gough & Val Kilmer being reunited again for Batman Forever? But I guess that’s Top Secret to the rest of us.
Gotta disagree with the part about the song Kiss From A Rose. it was supposed to highlight the chemistry between Chase and Bruce. Bruce naturally being a loner ("a greying tower alone on the sea") and Chase being the first to get close to him in a long time ("The light on the dark side of me")
Keaton. Best Batman hands down.
Batman Returns is my personal favorite, too. There's a sweet spot to Batman, camp noir, that no live action Batman hits. Returns comes closest.
57:54 as a kid i watched this scene and totally got blown away. it engraved itself in my head. the writing and acting in this movie is INSANE. gold
Clooney is the closest thing there is to a live action adaption of the animated series from the themed gadgets to the dry joke delivery
Not really even in the animated series he wasn’t that doofy
@@xyoungdipsetx someone needs to rewatch this stuff 🫵
Maybe the 1970s Adam West-voiced cartoon.😅
13:19 If Tim Burton didn't want two Harveys in the script, then he could have called Eckhardt Flass. Flass and Bullock are essentially the same.
How cool would it have been to use Arnold ACTUAL background into Freeze? Like the fact he came from Austria and how buff he is. I feel it would be handled as a decent adaptation of the character
I love Robert Wuhl (Alexander Knox)'s take on the series. I agree with him completely!
The joker from the beginning to now has always been 10 to 15 years older than Bruce same with every incarceration if the character they did this to show that the joker has lived in this world longer and has had more hard ships and stayed sain untill he hit his breaking point
Would be great if you Vee Infuso did a Retrospective of the Batman Arkham games. That would be totally brill.
Love a good retrospective
True about Jim Carey...when I eventually watched the original batman I saw clearly why jim played the character the way he did...immediately I made that connection...
His origin was the same in Mask of the Phantasm and everyone loves that movie.
Double standards
I love Batman and Robin because I know how to watch it. I don't look at it as a sequel to Burtonman '89. Instead, I look at it as a big budget adaptation of the Batman 66 t.v. show.
The elfman scores were also used for the Lego Batman video game which i thought was great
Max Shreik is an underrated villain, who agrees?!
Btw Vee Infuso I was wondering if you would review the Batman forever that never was. Channel Awesome basically made an audio play called “What if Tim Burton Directed Batman Forever?” It’s the length of a full movie and they have Rob Walker as Robin Williams playing The Riddler, and Malcom Ray as Billy Dee Williams playing Two Face, what’s insane is the impressions are absolutely spot on!!!😃 (before that one they did an episode called “What if Harvey Dent was in Batman Returns” it sets up how Harvey becomes Two Face
I want to check it out now. Thanks!
@@nick6var you’re welcome! Also merry Christmas!
I remember seeing that Scooby doo trailer in the theater and being so upset that it wasn't Batman.
TBH.. I loved them all.. just in different ways, for different reasons. The Burton movies will always be my favorite out of the 4.. but the others are.. charming in their own way. I don't consider them sequels, I consider them their own different series. Minus the fact that Val isn't in B&R.. but that's just how I always thought of it.
Billy dee Williams was drawn in the Batman 89 comics and I really want him to play two face even more after that
to be fair to tommy lee jones, schumacher's cut had a scene of tommy lee as twoface and it was pretty badass
Kevin Smith and Mark Bernardin’s commentary in 89&Returns is gold!
Robin is a real Dick Grayson
I find the Batman Forever novelization to be rather good
Vee: Batman--
TH-cam: HE SAID THE THING
*Batman movie trailer plays for the umpteenth time*
I love all 4 of these films.
Can you please do a video where you rank all the villains from every Batman movie from your least favorite to your most favorite?
Like I have said before in your sequels to 89 Batman
“He pulled a Micheal Jackson”
Also at least he’s back in the 89 comic
The gadget and suit designs for Burton's Batman films are the best, IMO. The belt he wears is so damn cool.
My favorite film is probably Batman Begins.
I'm glad you mentioned Billy Dee Williams because I always felt a little robbed by never getting to see his Two Face. He's clearly mentioned to set up a future film and it never happens. Don't get me wrong because Tommy Lee Jones and Aaron Eckhart did phenomenal jobs. But man, I still want to see that Billy D Two Face just because 😆
“Tommy Lee Jones did a phenomenal job as Two-Face.”
I mean… I guess that’s an opinion one can have. 7 billion people on planet Earth so I guess statistically at least one person has to think that.
But I mean, geez… Did you think Halle Berry was “phenomenal” as Catwoman too? How about Shaq? Was he “phenomenal” in Steel?
Looking back on this video after Kevin Conroy died kind of hurts when ve says put it on his tombstone when he goes out.
Tim Burtons movies just have this something to them. You can tell a Burton movie right away, to me anyway.
I'm just gonna rank the movies.
4. Batman and Robin(I mean, where else would it go?)
3. Batman Forever
2. Batman Returns
1. Batman
On the fallong out in film 4. Came out in 97. TNBA also came out that year, a few montha before.
The season opener covers the rift betwern Bruce and Dick, and is also the introduction of Jason Todd's Robin.
Whom Nightwing tells the story, in the episode.
Same thing the Clone Wars series did for the gap between Attack and Revenge.
And to anyone wishing to debate this, the backstory for Freeze would make it plausible as cannon.
It showed how important Alfred was to Bruce and Dick. He was there adopted Dad. And Arnold had his typical Arnie cracks but he did have heart. He did give Batman the antidote. It was corney in parts but there was a lot of good I guess family values. They could have forgot about Poison Ivey. But it was fun.
@1:37:12 Hey hey hey Kiss from a Rose came out a year before it was in the movie. It was like Sex on Fire or Just dance, it came out did OK, and later got much bigger in Seal's case because of the movie but the original version had nothing to do with Batman.
So I think Batman Forever is genuinely a perfect ending to the Tim Burton Batman Series (Other then the comic that's coming out that I hope to read when completed)
Everything you said was right about it + Val looks so similar to Michael Keaton besides hair, its crazy.
Robin is supposed to be 17 which I think fits well in that universe.
Batman's character arc finally ends in my opinion, Dealing with a Robin that wants to kill who killed his parents is a perfect parallel.
Bruce telling him that killing doesn't make it better, It gets worse. Its a perfect callback to his Joker, and in my opinion Him not killing in this movie shows his growth from that moment.
I don't know it just fits TOO well.
There has never been a live action Gotham that has been as good as Burton's. He really nailed the city. Skyscrapers, art-deco, and gothic 1800s relics all mixed together.
That might just be because I grew up on it, and TAS that was heavily inspired by it. It might just be because I'm from the east coast and we have .... more and bigger older buildings. Not that they don't exist in the west or south, but they don't seem to stand out as much. Modern live action Gotham gives me more LA vibes than NY.
Here I go again....... listening to Vee talk about Batman all f*cking night.
This is an addiction
It’s the Robin in an almost Nightwing outfit talking Batman and Robin.
Are these all the previous videos stiched together? I dont mind i just wanna know
I think Christian Bale's Batman voice sounded better in the first film, but in the later two it's so forced and goofy that I can't take it seriously on rewatches.
I feel you're slightly too harsh on the whole, Bruce Wayne Michael Keaton thing. I think that may have been the point for him to come off stoic like that. He didn't feel like he could be humanly vulnerable with anyone. But in the second movie he's had more time as Batman, he's finding his footing as being both versions of himself. The things we would have likely seen that would come off goofy or awkward weren't there in 89 because he didn't think anyone would like him for himself. He had to play the part. But once people became more accepting of batman I think that bled into him feeling more comfortable in his own skin outside of the batman suit
Rest in peace Kevin Conroy
How funny that Clooney actually ends up showing up in the Flash after saying what he did in those interviews 😂
51:52 I feel this voice influenced or at least bares resemblance to the Arkham voice of riddler
The perfect Batman movie..... Tim Burton's Gotham, Ledger's joker, Pattinson's Batman and Bale's Bruce Wayne
I officially died at Mark 39:07…”Because he is Batman you moron”😂😂😂😂🤟💯‼️
Tim Burton also didn't like Prince in the soundtrack, but he was forced to have it in there.
Thank you for validating the opinion that Val Kilmer is the best live-action Batman. Totally agree!
Old ones are the best no questions.
To be fair all of Tim Burton movies not Just Batman is Dark toned
Back in '89; around movie release, there was an actual book: "Untold Tales of the Joker"; some really DARK 'origin stories'