Which Board Wipes are Worth It? | A Guide to Mass Removal in Commander
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In this video, we're discussing everything you need to know about board wipes: what they are, how many to play, the best board wipes in commander, and even the worst board wipes in commander! Strap in for an informative journey about everyone's favorite mass removal spells in edh!
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Why would you ever want to wipe the board when you have flooded it with the zombies from Grave Titan?
We can’t live with that card doing anything so we wipe
Because Zombies don't fly.
Im so glad there are other people out there who recognize how good Hour of Revelation is
It's super efficient
Its fantastic. You're never gonna cast a board wipe without 10 permanents on the board. You probably don't even have the 3 white mana without their being 10 total permanents on the entire battlefield lol
@@kingginger3335 and even if you need to it's still only six Mana for each nonland permanent
Evert white deck should use it
It's very efficient in what it does but I don't think I would ever play this.
it's particularly good in a durdly white based control deck that is not very dependent on mana rocks and enchantments, but I enjoy playing to the board too much myself with all the permanent types.
I'm not a fan of blowing up all the mana rocks from non-green decks either. I'd rather encourage playing non-green.
Y’all have made my commute much, much easier.
So glad to hear that church!
Im really digging Doomskar from kaldhiem right now. Playing a board wipe to the field as early as turn 2 that cant be interacted with? Now it just sits there for the rest of the game gnawing away at your opponents psyche to what it actually is. LOL Is the game going well for you? Ok just leave it. Is the game slipping away from you? Ok activate it.
People are gonna miss Foretell once it's gone.
Foretell is a massively underrated mechanic
I love Dream Devourer, all my non-land spells like boardwipes have Foretell and if they kill Devourer I can still cast my foretold spells= win win :P
@@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299 yeah I've been thinking about tossing him into my Blim deck because a lot of the stuff is expensive and janky, I'd even call him pseudo-ramp
We left doomskar off because we haven’t tested it or seen it yet.
Liking before watching cause you always come through with the quality content!
I do the same and couldn’t agree more!
Same.
You three are awesome, thanks for supporting us :D
@@NitpickingNerds I will for sure use your link for TCG player I’m gonna be picking up some upgrades later this week. Thanks for the work you guys put in!
Omg that’s fantastic to hear! It really does help support the channel and we are very appreciative ❤️
You guys have seriously improved since i first started watching. You spark interesting discussions and i'm here for it. Keep it up guys.
Thanks a ton! We have improved like a million percent
Man, no love for Slaughter the Strong? 3 mana, gets rid of the biggest threats most of the time, makes token and voltron decks cry, and it even gets around indestructible. I think it's great.
I know right?! I got one form somewhere, and after reading the text correctly i dont know why you wouldn't ever use it...except against Tergrid
One of my favorites for certain decks is Dusk//Dawn; its almost a one-sided board wipe, and then later it's card advantage! 6 mana Elspeth is good in that way too
Flood of tears is really good when you can get a free permanent into play after it and especially if your behind
Not a card we have ever played but seems good.
I recently added it to my jhoira deck. Hasn’t come up in play yet but I have high hopes.
Droping Koma back on empty board is brutal ;)
Time Wipe too!
I used to use it on this weird Yarok standard thing I had going. The deck's rotated now but it was fun dropping Yarok back to reset for my next turn of ETB triggers
As always, gentlemen, keep up the great work.
Also, may I just add... it's a problem when you find yourself scrambling to "add to cart" all the cards that Beezy is going off about "being terrible" just because you've never seen or played them... yeah. you know you do it too...
Don’t listen to Beezy lol 😂
Something that is interesting to me is that you'd think black would be close to white in number of middle ground board sweepers (the worse ones that don't compare to the top of your lists), but black isn't even remotely close. Like in the 5 Mana slot for white you have Fumigate, Winds of Rath, End Hostilities, Rout, and Slash the Ranks. At least 5 options at that CMC. What does black have in comparison? Crux of fate. That's it. Maybe Consume the Meek if you count that? The difference is one I find very interesting. Although diving into color differences is always going to get complicated.
So glad you put in Last One Standing, love that card!
Super fun and flavorful!
“Good boardwipes cost between 3 and 5 mana” *starts looking nervously at my 3 copies of austere command that are in most of my white decks*
Edit: a couple of minutes in and you gave austere command a compliment, I don’t have to question my card evaluation abilities luckily 😅
Austere Command is like a pet card of mine, it improves a lot if your playgroup is value based, vs faster decks it can sadly fall short.
Austere command is good
I always play merciless eviction, it just stops an indestructible spell in response or that pesky Blightsteel on the board!
Deluge does that too 😅
@@NitpickingNerds but eviction can kill many different things 🤔
@@NitpickingNerds how about a buff spell
Completely agree on the switching out 4-mana, creatures only wipes. I had already done that for my decks before you said that here. One-two extra mana is well worth extra synergy.
Agree with a lot of this except for Cleansing Nova, I think this card is great particularly in decks that are somewhat creature heavy
Having the flexibility to destroy all artifacts and enchantments or creatures when you are behind is really good and its decently costed at 5 mana, it's similar to Austere command and Merciless Eviction but 1 less mana
The recurring lowkey fight over the peace out is my new favorite feature. It's like watching my cats squabble.
Regarding Nev's disk - it has a home in decks that can abuse it with Darksteel forge. Decks like Kozilek the great distortion. It also shines in mono red and mono black decks where you absolutely need to remove an enchantment.
I absolutely LOVE Slaughter the Strong, Retribution of the Meek, and Dusk//Dawn, in my Arcades wall deck! Talk about synergy!!
You've just convinced me to add Tragic Arrogance to my Syr Gwyn equipment voltron deck, because I only need one creature anyways, and if that creature is Gwyn, then my opponents won't be able to block it when they only have one creature left, due to menace.
Checkout "Chandra's Ignition". I play it in my Syr Gwyn deck and try to give her lifelink or deathtouch first. Becomes a 5 mana game ending board wipe. Especially when she is loaded up with equipments!
Putting Blasphemous Act in an Ad Nauseam deck is the biggest Chad move you can possibly pull
I don't understand, are you telling me to play grave titan
This video is part of the reason Grave Titan never does anything 😂
I have to point out that I have had games where Hour of revelation wasn't live when I wanted it to be, but the card is still phenomenal. Still think it's one of the best white board wipes.
I'm a new player and I put tragic arrogance in a deck with Tergrid, God of Fright, without actually understanding just how good these cards are with each other. And then I played them together ... wow!
I can also see use out of bontu’s last reconning in a deck like Alela or something similar where most of your mana is coming from artifacts. Not that it’s good, but there’s at least an argument there.
I don't understand how Cleansing Nova gets lumped in with the Fumigate club. By your own criteria, the versatility of being able to wipe either all creatures or all artifacts + enchantments is pretty good. Feels like it's not at the very top, but still a tier above 5CMC creatures-only board wipes.
The funny thing about planeswalkers is because so many people see them as the weakest card in EDH, they completely ignore them in play until they’re nervous about the ultimate.
Man merciless eviction saved my ass in so many games, but to be fair, two players of my playgroup are playing uril and marchesa
Spiteful Sliver plus Sliver Hivelord followed by Blasphemous Act, chef's kiss
So one time I tried to build a deck of just board wipes with mageta the lion as the commander. Turns out when everyone else's cards are gone you are a prime target for the removal spells, so even if you have an indestructible card or two it won't last when 3 other people target it as revenge.
Channel has come a long way love it
How is life?
@@NitpickingNerds making a mono colored deck for every color. Buying a box of japanese war every month and just graduated hbu?
@@firebird504 well making millions on TH-cam lol
@@NitpickingNerds eventually you will be ;)
Sigh, Dead of Winter... 2 and a black to give -/- for each snow permanent (but not to snow creatures). Just use snow covered lands and its an insanely good cheap budget board wipe.
if only snow lands didn't send the budget back by that much 😪
@@selkokieli843 I mean Kaldheim wa just released
Just a word of warning...never completely dismiss a card. Most often there will be specific decks that have synergy with it. Always at least consider it, regardless how bad it seems on the face of it. For example, Bontu's last reckoning fits well in a Marchesa the Black Rose deck. Reasons: your creatures will probably all come back on your endstep after the wipe, and you have many mana rocks to untap, because it's grixis's way of ramping. So you have about 30% of your mana on your next turn available with a full board. Those are valid arguments for a 3 mana board wipe.
But spending one more mana on that board wipe lets you use 100% of your mana that turn and the following turn, and there's so many better options for something like Marchesa
@@NitpickingNerds well let's see if I can afford Damnation this time round after Timespiral Remastered reprint.
Best wipe I ever did was in Oloro - Tragic Arrogance saving my Witch of the Moors
Good to know my enchantress deck is sort of safe xD
Yeah, they kind of underestimated a little bit the impact of enchantments. I have a Karametra Enchantress deck with 40+ enchantments (including enchantment creatures that would also die).
Even my wife's Ur-Dragon has 11 powerful (and important for the deck) enchantments: Dragon Tempest, Trace of Abundance, Journey to Eternity, Monastery Siege, Rhystic Study, Rhythm of the Wild, Temur Ascendancy, Defense of the Heart, Sarkhan's Unsealing, Kindred Discovery, and Sight of the Scalelords.
I think you are actually my favourite mtg youtubers
Edit: and because magic is the best thing in the world you are the best youtubers EVER (maybe)
This is the highest complement we've ever gotten, thank you XD
@@NitpickingNerds no problem just doing some realtalk u know
Comet Storm + Battlefield Thaumaturge is wonderful boardwiping combo
Edit: It negates the multikicker cost
Love Tragic Arrogance getting the recognition it deserves
How is it only $1.50?
You're probably right about By Force, but I like thinking it has political applications that Vandalblast lacks.
I still like merciless eviction because it doesn't matter what i'm up against, i can shut down the most problematic players game plan for good, especially when i know their deck has graveyard recursion for the things i just blew up somewhere in the 99 or even the command zone.
I love Winds of Abandon. Path to exile with overload. I utilize this card in all my commander decks with white.
Criminally underrated and underplayed. Gets even better with Aven Mindcensor and/or Leonin Arbiter.
Bontu's Reckoning is really good when you have a Seedborn Muse type effect that triggers afterwards. You can float all your mana so you can still cast spells afterwards, and then Wilderness Reclamation or Muse will untap your stuff. 3 mana. Boom
Ewww
Best thing about Ondu inversion and the double faced land cards... you can tutor a land with mystical tutor and not be mana debt early !!
Fated Retribution is a good Anti-Walker board wipe too... and sure it is expensive but it is instant speed. (I often have to remind people in the play groups I play with that it is an instant speed boardwipe... and it takes way too many by surprise. And the access to be able to do it instant speed has saved me several times.)
Gavi and free cycling makes dismantling wave, decree of silence, and many others real good and instant speed ability that is hard to counter or stop.
I play Austere Command a lot and a friend of mine have an Aura-heavy deck (Tuvasa), he got PTSD of this :))
I've tried damn near every board wipe in Orzhov for my aristocrats deck, I still settled on Toxic Deluge, Damnation, and Wrath of God. They all end up being asymmetric regardless of what they do and being lower on the curve allows me to double spell a lot more. I did replace Wrath of God for Damn tho once it came out. Also all my wraths being in black helps with Mausoleum Secrets which can only tutor black cards.
I use life's finale in my head deck mainly because my deck requires there to be a lot of creatures in all graveyards, so it helps a little with that
Descend upon the sinful is my fav, its a bit expensive, put flavor win? yes, a body afterwards? yes, from innistrad? massive flavor win if you have rampage of the valkyries on the field? yes
Sometimes flavor is better than power
Still no mention of possibly the best boardwipe ever made: Nightmare Unmaking.
It's 5 mana, it EXILES all the creatures, and is trivial to strategize around so that it is one-sided.
It's also less than a quarter and has only ever been printed once.
I have a serious challenge for anyone who reads this: in any deck you think you might play Damnation, put in Nightmare Unmaking instead. If it ever, ever, EVER whiffs for you, I'll send you a free copy of the card, postage not included.
I like Bontu’s Last Reckoning in a budget deck with heavy artifact ramp or decks that can untap lands with cards like Wilderness Reclamation. However I agree that like 70% of the time it hurts to cast it because you either save half your mana for next turn or skip your next turn.
I agree with most of the advice but as a Daretti player i am a big fan of Nev Disk... running Darksteel forge and/or myscosynth lattice with it and leaving nothing but your artifacts or commander on the board to tick it's way up to ultimate is quite a marvellous feeling...
Love you guys' content. Great video as always.
One card I would also like to put up as a honourable mention for best board wipe would be "Time Wipe". Yes it's 5 mana, yes it's sorcery speed, yes it hits only creatures, but it very often saves you from having to pay extra commander tax by bouncing your commander or reuse ETBs or simply just saving your best creature. I am a big fan of this card and I can honestly say it has over-performed in my experience.
Also, I completely agree with Mr. Cherries about Merciless Eviction. It would be infinitely better if it was 1 less mana.
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Been thinking about running a GWB Anara/Ravos, Voltron, board wipe deck.
Wipe the board, beat down with commander damage, repeat.
Maybe play a portcullis to be very cheeky.
Would love to see a video on how you rank power levels
I'm brewing a superfriends deck, so my thought process is: "Is this a board wipe? It is a worthwhile board wipe." But thanks for this video. My next deck won't have a million board wipes, then this will be really useful.
Whhhhaaaaa? Cleansing nova? Cmon that cards solid, 1 less mana than austere command with 2 modes? It could've made the good list lol
We aren't fans to be honest 😅
@@NitpickingNerds boooo :p
Ever tried Planar Collapse? 2cmc wrath of god attached to an enchantment, activates on your upkeep if there's 4 or more creatures on the board. I've really enjoyed playing it in my Lurrus deck, recasting it from the grave is fantastic. Same with using hall of heliod's generosity.
I play By Force rather than Vandalblast in my Zedruu deck for obvious reasons. Slash the Ranks is also very synergistic there, as I mostly gift people with noncreatures and would rather keep Zedruu alive when boardwiping (Tragic Arrogance is also great).
Cool video as always, happy to be subscribed.
I like Shatter the Sky a lot in certain decks. It’s kind of like Arcane Denial where you get your card back right away.
Surprised you guys didn't mention Fracturing Gust - the ability to have that effect at instant speed is really powerful, five mana isn't bad and the hybrid GW mana allows it to be more easily cast.
It fits into the middle
YAAAAAAAS new content. Been enjoying the shorts.
Thanks! We're going to continue them
Worldslayer is awesome. Run it in my zurgo deck. It’s just a fun card !
The only reason I don’t play on Discord is because the only deck I have built is an Anowon aggro deck. . . Fallen Shinobi and Opposition Agent and Thadda Adel and Thieving Skydiver. . . it’s a little difficult to play over webcam.
Yeah stealing things can be tough
Fumigate saved me so many times where a wrath of God wouldn't have, in a deck with few lifegain options it's great, merciless eviction is the greatest nightmare of superfriends and reanimator/indestructible decks and also works wonders Vs enchantress/artifact decks l especially if they have replenish or other recursion. Recently added austere command and it's often worse. Also cataclysm is insane, especially in my atla palani deck.
How about Cyclone Summoner and River's Rebuke? R.r. has good targeted single player boardwipe and C.s. removes everything that isn't a giant, wizard, or land.
I have an Oloro creatureless deck, it's not my main deck but I like to tune it up every now and then. I started playing like 20 wraths cause i'm creatureless you know it seems a great game plan to wipe the board every 2 turns...but it wasn't lol As time went on i cut most wraths, i am at 6-7 now i think Damnation, Wrath of God, Day of Judgment, Cyclonic Rift if you wanna consider it a board wipe, Decree of Pain for cycling it at least it doens't get countered and draws me a card, Supreme Verdict, and Merciless Eviction to deal with planeswalkers.
I like Find//Finality in budget Golgari lists. The good board wipes in Golgaro are all expensive (Deluge, Damnation) and this is a cute flexible one.
Another one I like is Chandra's Ignition, in decks like Xenagos in which it doubles as a wincon.
I really love casting Ezuri’s predation + natural affinity on my green decks. Literally ends games if no one counters it.
That's so evil... I LOVE IT!
outside of overload cards i near to never put boardwipes in my deck. especially because i don't play tutors boardwipes are just hit or miss and with good spot removal you barely get in a situation where you need some. it also helps when that what i am doing makes combat irrelevant, 40 life is a lot of puffer to win before you lose to damage.
Nevs disk is cool in an artifact deck with mycosynth lattice and darksteel forge. Just a doomsday machine that destroys all of your opponents permanents. Lands too.
I have Bontus last reckoning in a black and green commander deck abusing cards untapping during each upkeep of each player,
Cards with exert like champion of rhonas profit along these mechanics and of getting constant vigilance via rhonas/vivian and else. I have to say that i've only had good results so far with bontus last reckoning in there, but this seems to be the only case where this card is playable ^^
Great episode guys. Really loving the content these days. I know its new but I realized you didn't talk about doomskar. Having the foretell makes its alot stronger than it looks.
We actually mention it twice, not as it's own segment, but we put it on par with the Day of Judgment variants
@@NitpickingNerds oh totally gapped out on that! My bad!
My favorite boardwipe is 2 mana - Pyroclasm! Gets rid of a lot of utility creatures and tokens... 2 MANA! Did I mention it's 2 mana? WILD!
How much mana does it cost?
I use two ply for my wipes, it takes care of everything!
I'm commenting at the beginning so you guys might mention it, but the latest addition to great board wipes I think include Spectral Deluge. Those Kaldheim commander decks had some sweet new cards.
With that being said, as a long time green lover (since the days when it was "bad" in commander lol, like 2013-14) o don't enjoy board wipes much 😂. I wish every deck was only allowed 2 board wipes.
I know they're important but I like the commander games where boards build up and you're having a war of board states, I don't enjoy.so much when every turn cycle has people removing scary stuff. JUST PLAY YOUR IWN SCARY STUFF LEAVE MINE ALONE!! lmao, rant over.
But really I kinda miss the 2015-17 commander days. Things have gotten too efficient nowadays.to the format I fell in love with. I still love commander to the point its the only format I play, but I long for the days of "battle cruiser" magic when average.cmc's were 4 or even 5 😂 when turns 1-3 was.everyone ramping.
Ahhh, anyways, love you guys lookforward to all your content.
A lot of decks don't need a million which is the worst part lol. At some point you just need to end the game
24:51 that grin afterwards
Couldn't keep a straight face! 😂
Love the daily content! Keep up the good work.
It's a good look for us I think
Hour of Reckoning and Phyrexian Rebirth are token staples that can turn games upside-down
I mean you can by force to whatever vandal blast is
And you destroy what four artifacts?
I think ifs worth running both because with by force you don’t destroy stuff you don’t want to
And it can be x to the equivalent to Valndal anyway
I know it's not amazing, but Ghen has made me appreciate Planar Collapse a lot more.
Sometimes the slime lines up with his head and looks like a hat
And then, there is earthquake to clean the board except my dragons and some oppnent chickens, but also maybe clean some players XD
Yeah it can definitely have synergy with fliers
Tagic Arrogance is too specific as a boardwipe. I agree, that it has its uses in some cases, but when someone plays a voltron-commander as its only creature, you wished you had a real boardwipe to finish this creature too.
Oh ehm... what about Scourglass? It works very good in my Myr tribal (yes i’m one of 3 people on the planet that plays Myr tribal).
You can only do it on upkeep so it’s nothing great
I know... still it feels so at home in Myr Tribal.
I will accept Akroma's Vengeance in a planeswalker (or cycling?) deck as it specifically doesnt hit them and thats about it. Good content guys!
You guys are growing on me..nice! keep up the good work
Like a fungus
Is there a chance for a part 2? I would have liked to see your thoughts on some more board wipes from Blue, Black or Red other than the 2 most common. Also Settle the Wreckage, and what do you see as the difference between Cleansing Nova vs Austere Command?
In cedh... Supreme verdict is totally 👌🔥 of you run blue white :)
If y'all love Tragic Arrogance, you need to give some love to Mythos of Snapdax. It's a Mardu identity board wipe that has the same effect as Catclysmic Gearhulk where everyone chooses what they sacrifice and what they keep, but Mythos becomes becomes a 4 mana Tragic Arrogance if you spend exactly WWRB to cast it. I think Mythos gets really overshadowed by Ruinous Ultimatum since they both debuted in Ikoria, but Mythos is just as powerful, WAY easier to cast, and deserves a lot more love than it gets. I've not lost a game yet when I've resolved Mythos of Snapdax; it has been that backbreaking for my opponents.
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We have some select episodes from the past available in podcast form, nothing extremely recent I don't think as the demand hasn't been super high. Thanks for supporting the channel, and we agree that Mythos is super good and we name-drop it as a mardu version of Arrogance :D
Haha I put blasphemous act in my aristocrats deck. Played it for 1 mana with tons of creatures on my opponents side and had enough recources for thrilling encore after that. Finished the game the next round, now my playgroup hates me
Awesome video as always. Very thorough. I love the analysis of Bontu’s Last Reckoning. I actually used that in my Mono Black Standard deck a few years ago. It was a great way of surviving Esper or Selesnya Tokens or similar builds. In EDH, it’s not good. It basically makes you a sitting duck. 👎🏼
As a complete noob who's just building decks at the moment, and haven't actually played yet - I must admit that I'm cutting all mass artifact destruction ones from my decklists.
It just seems like a really unfunny staxy Cyclonic drawn out setback to nuke all mana rocks?
Enchantments tho, can be insanely game influencing.. and are #2 in my mind after creatures.
Might change perspective after having actually played tho :P
Although it destroys lands, my favorite board wipe (and everything wipe) is Decree of Annihilation in my Shrine deck
That card is very good 😌
Another deck Nevs Disk is good in are superfriends decks. But yes otherwise its too slow. TomMeeTalks has a Pramikon superfirends deck and its lit for that deck.
Great video as per usual! :)
What do you think of Hour of Reckoning in a Token deck like let's say an Emmara Edh Deck.
The Convoke can easily be done i would say so it's just 3W and it doesn't kill your Tokens.
Yeah it's fine, like we say it falls into the synergy camp of boardwipes
Don’t forget to go over what is a 1,2,3 deck
Thoughts on "Cleansing Nova"?
It’s ok but better options
@@NitpickingNerds You think Austere Command is the superior alternative for a modal wipe in spite of costing one more then?
In simic dont have most options to removal, cyclon rift is the best.But i play budget and dont like return to hand😢