Moog Sound Studio - Assembly, exploration and review
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- Opening the fabulously designed box of the Moog Sound Studio to discover the synthesizer delights that hide within. This is the Mother-32 and DFAM version and I take you through everything you get, how to put it together and what sort of noise it makes.
The Moog Sound Studio was sent to me by Moog Music in order to write a review for Gearnews.com
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Index:
Intro - 0:00
Open the box - 2:44
Assembly - 9:29
Setup and connections with Summing Mixer - 20:40
First play! - 26:31
Our little Moog Friends and Mini Moog Factory - 33:01
Exploration Patchbook - 35:46
Patchbook - Jumping Off Point - 36:21
Synthesizer Dice Game - 46:13
Conclusions - 49:20
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My DFAM is a SUPERSTAR
This bundle is so smart. It feels like it can be for total beginners (Bleep Bloopers), musicians/songwriters looking to expand their colors, and even Eurorack Wizards who want something small and deadly!
It's practically adorable in size, YET the infinite combination of Sounds and more importantly, GROOVES (2 sequencers!) is IMPRESSIVE!
My Subsequent 25 will have the Black Grandmother join us before the Summer ends, so I'm deeply in the MOOG family, and am not ashamed to consider myself to be in the ASPIRATIONAL Artist category. As a Graphic Artist, I LOVE the superfluous stuff... the Packaging, the Font/Coloring, and all the ATMOSPHERICS.
U nailed it. I appreciate the thought and detail work.... the BUILD Quality. (when u put that first patch cable in, your body reacted to how SOLID it was, "Nothing moved!")
It just feels like an Instrument.
I will MOST DEF transition my beloved DFAM into my Eurorack Phase Two
(It looks gorgeous on Modular Grid... Phase One begins this Summer... can't wait!)
Love this channel!
great comments mate, thanks
Always enjoyed the Moog unboxing experience... Started some 40 yrs ago, never got old!👍✔️
Lol that’s right Some 1/2 century a go at 17 , my first synth was a Mini Moog , and preceded few years earlier with a first Album purchase of Kraftwerk “ Tram Europe Express” Et voila this is where all starred .
As someone who only buys used Korg and Roland from 10 to 20 years ago and only ever see the instruments and packing bubbles this was eye opening
Well, you’ll be disappointed unboxing now that inmusic took over. Spectravox unboxing was a disappointment.
Teenage Enginering and Moog has the most beautiful packages :)
The aesthetics of even the moog packaging is very inviting.
Some really cool ideas here from moog. The dice game is genius
Flippin epic indeed! Thank you for taking the time making the video!
The resonance tip is very helpful. Thank you for taking the time to create this MOOG Studio video.
In Canada, at the time of writing, this bundle is $1.00 more than buying each unit individually...so you get the stand and the mixer and all the other bits for free.
Thanks for adding the question/discussion about value for money - it is an important thing to think about.
its about $30 more in the US as well, pretty reasonable price for the mixer and cable tray. i wish they sold that mixer solo. UK and europe get hammered on instruments in general, not sure why, must be a tariff/tax issue
@The Art of Subtlety gotta count the stand which is like $70
even if you get that stand at cost exactly of $60, you get the tray and mixer for $40, and if they sell that mixer/power supply independently it will probably be over $100
That was an amazing review. Thanks for all your details.
What a fantastic immersive experience. Thank you Robin very much, this is awsome, I have the feeling, I wanted this since I was 5 years old.
Now I feel to be in your room with you, exploring the endless possibilities of the synthetizers. Great great video, I really enjoyed it and now I WANT IT!
It was the coolest and most complete review i saw about Moog Sound Studio! Thank you!
Another awesome and insightful review, thanks for that.
How could you not love moog. Brilliant minds creating fantastic products and experiences. Happy to have a M32 and Subharmonicon on my desk. Whenever I play with them I just get lost in then sounds and forget the time
Thanks for the AmAzInG video!!! It's giving me a great view & idea of this package of sounds!
Thank you very much for this great video. You explained it all very well and you are right, everyone has to decide for themselves whether it is worth the price. For my part, I will buy this exact combination. And the nice thing is, it's open to future expansion...
I remember these two being part of the Moogfest “engineer bundle” ticket. Two consecutive years. About 2016 ish. And the they were released into the world at a later date. Really enjoyed the video. Thanks.
I get a Christmas morning feeling watching this video! Much thanks for your videos.
These kits are a great idea - I paired a DFAM with a Subharmonicon right from the start, and now have a full tower including a Eurorack bay... Mother32 just arrived! They're fantastic semi modular synths - fair warning though you will want some Eurorack utilities to really make the most of them - not NEED, but WANT. Pamela's New Workout is such an amazing addition on its own - once you can clock everything at different divisions some really interesting options open up.
yeah i have all three as well would love that mixer. Im almost tempted to buy a sound studio just for that and maybe sell off one of the subharmonicions. two dfams would be money!!
Interesting idea! As a newbie, how would one go about adding a Pamela's New Workout module to this setup? I have seen it used to great effect in generative, easy listening synthesiser music with other modules such as Qu-bit - Nautilus, Make noise Music - Morphagene etc. How does one understand how to add the clock of PAM to this setup? Many thanks.
I’m hoping Moog will release the extra bits for those of us who already own a couple of these beauties! I love the idea of the dice game as I already have a set of D&D dice I use for random music creation. Top vid man 👍
i bet we just have to wait a year or so. I really hope so for that mixer, would simplify a 3 tier by a lot even if only for the power.
The way he said “I got my lil bits in a tin lid” made me chuckle 🤣. Great review
40:46 Those are the moments people get DFAMs for :D
ha ha ha - it's me!
Just ordered one. So excited. My first Moog synth.
Nice one
They're a great fun pair! Enjoy!
I love the hotchpotch nature of eurorack, but hell, big printed manuals and a patch ideas book! Very tasty!
That is a killer shirt.
The Moog experience already starts with the unboxing. It's just Moogtastic !
I've been opening and closing the cardboard box of my Werkstatt-01 a few times before taking all parts out of there.
And yes - the Werkstatt was exactly what I was looking for (a starting point to decide how to build my own modular synthesizer) but it's tempting not to throw some money on the Moog sound studio. It's not just the combination of the DFAM with the Mother-32 but it's the whole Moog experience.
A fun watch man..Thanks for the fun...
I also enjoyed the Moog unboxing experience so much..... £1 commission coming your way from Moog I am sure Robin, as I have just purchased this Moog Sound Studio after watching this video :)
Love your channel. It’s fun to see someone exploring uncharted territory
WE HAVE SUSPENS IN THIS POST VIDEO !!! VERY GOOD "MOVIE" HERE. ...LOVELY NICE PERFECT BOX !!!
😀❤ and the DICE ! WHAT SOME GREAT IDEAS from Moog ! Oh my god !
you seem to be so happy with that moog studio... i want one too !!!!
Proper synths in a box... with a proper price tag to match...
Also.... great socks....
Hello Robin,
fantastic review/unboxing, as usual very entertaining and informative. Thank you.
I am very interested in your little chat at the end of the vid re who these things are aimed at.
The bundle has everything one would need to get started and has the Moog name attached so if you are a beginner, you sort of know that you are relatively safe buying that brand and perhaps that's worth that bit extra cash for security.
After months and months of research about a 18 months ago (I come from a guitar playing background) and educating my self to the point of making a simple drone box, with help from Look Mum no Computer, I purchased the DFAM. Based on that philosophy. I knew that Moog weren't the cheapest synths around but, despite my research, I went with Moog, seeing them as a safe bet. Once I purchased the DFAM the research and learning started to fall into place. It was the hands on experience that allowed my knowledge to grow.
I was blown away with the DFAM and immediately became hooked on its unbelievable range of sounds and the rabbit holes of creativity it opened up for me. I have found it to be the most expressive instrument that I have so far encountered.
I then went on to purchase the M32, Digitakt and a Werkstatt. Out of that bunch the only one that I vaguely regret is the M32, I just can't gel with it even coupled to the DFAM.
I'm now considering selling the M32 and going for the DFAM, Subharmonicon bundle leaving me with two DFAMs and the Sub/H.
The posters etc that come with the bundle remind me of buying vinyl back in the day, Dark Side of the Moon for example, coming with stickers, poster and postcards as you inferred, all part of the product image that makes one feel part of something.
I would recommend the DFAM to anyone, it is so much more than a drum machine offering the east and west coast synth experience.
Again thank you for the excellent video.
"Unnecessarily Groovy"....
I think that's the name of my next band! :P I'd buy THAT on a coffee Mug!
Great review / unboxing. One thing I found I was thinking after your summarizing is the overall build quality of the Moog units. Components, circuit board design, cases and overall sound, has to be worth a little more than the Sometimes questionable copies / alternatives.
These units will be sold on as vintage gear in 10,15 or 20 years time where some of the others I doubt will even still be working.
Cheers.
Steve.
Totally
Great review
This is a truly beautiful vid, Robin. I'm now sending it to hapless fellow gearlusters so they can join me in penury. Also, the best ever unboxing vid I've ever seen.
Thanks mate, truly nice comment.
@@MoltenMusicTech I don't comment usually but I watch *all* your vids as they're always fun and informative. You're obviously a born presenter and it's always great to see an expert expounding on something they love. There is so much wrongness on YT about music tech and synths, this channel is such a relief.
Hopefully see you in person at Synthfest 2021, Plague permitting! :-)
Aww thanks, and yes definitely
Hahaha!
Reminds me of the 'patches' in the Juno-6 instructions.
:-)
I just got the big Moog Sound Studio with all three devices - now need to record the unboxing, assembly and first exploration too :)))
Love the idea of the Subharmonicon and Dfam but can never see past the single oscillator of the M32.
I went for a semi modular with two oscillators, excellent for feeding in two sequencers with one running a different number of steps.
Great bundle though with the stand and mixer.
Nice detailed video. Sure wish they’d sell their mixer and the cards separately for those of us who have already purchased these synthesizers. I have asked but they ignore customer inquiries.
I'm new to the Moog world and I just purchased that bundle that's why I watched this review clip which was excellent. Still waiting for it to arrive and I guess I didn't want to make a serious investment in something I may not like at the end but from the looks of things I chose right to start small and see what happnes.
It’ll be great!
Great video sir
beautiful
Demo done very well
I already have all 3, I would love if they would just sell the mixer. Being able to power them all and have it somewhat portable would be incredible
When he set that patch up I smiled wide AF
I need that Moog screwdriver! :)
Man, I really hope I can get my hands on that power supply/mixer. I can stand all the power cables and and an extra mixer when I want to take my setup somewhere. I have all 3. It’s a pain.
looks like you are trying to defuse a bomb and somethings gone horribly wrong. great video!
46:13 The synthesizer dice game is the best thing ever!
Happy to see your beautiful sockets :)Molten ! lol
And there's a 2nd sound studio with Subharmonicon and DFAM.
Awesomely for those who already have the units, the PDF's are available so we can join in. I've got to try some of this stuff with my 4 tier rack (mother 32 x 2, dfam, and subh)
I haven't bought any of these, but I've been looking at them (for now, I have a Mavis). As of July 2022, the synths are priced separately at $699 each-so if you purchased separately, they'd be $1398 (plus tax) for the two, or $2097 for the Mother/DFAM/Subharmonicon trio. The two-tier rack is $59, the three-tier rack is $79, and there's a four-tier rack available for $99. Meanwhile the two-synth Sound Studios are $1399, and the three-synth Sound Studio is $1999. So the bundles do actually give you a bit of a break on price, since they include the summing mixer and rack kit. Yes, the Moog synths are a bit spendy, but then a lot of the artisan synths cost considerably more.
Thanks for such an informative and fun video unboxing and demo of these new combos from MOOG. Please do one for the DFAM/SUBHARMONICON combo. I am planning on getting a SUBH to add to my DFAM which is a stalwart in my studio. Moog for me is worth every penny, youre buying class and legacy..and also a bloody good Ladder Filter!!
you're also helping pay a living wage rather than starvation wages for Behringer. That and innovation rather than copying is the price difference
@@andrewgeary9749 But the Chinese factory workers also have to eat, don’t they?
@@LukezyM i would wager the corporate take home in Germany is abhorrent if they'd call the police in when workers protest toxic chemical exposure in the work place, should have some cash lying around to make up for anyone choosing to buy Moog instead.
as always: cool shirt!
Thanks for the great video , beside helpful it was quite entertaining:) i just got DFAM & Subharmonicon -Very cool . A bit difficult at first ( 4 NewBe ) with figuring out how to get the ensemble in tune , specially the Subharmonicon , and the sequencer rhythmically fitting with DFAM -. But i havent read further the first patch :) as usual my ADD brain just venture on it’s own . A white Night with many sonic excitement it was :)
Good Job Moog, you could hardly find any better to demo this bundle.
-Mother was my intro eurorack. At some point I expected to sell it as I bought more and more modules. But this is not how it works, because as I get more modules I always find a use for that extra lfo, envelope, mult, mixer, noise etc. The sequencer and I are not good friends though, but as they say, "one does not simply" sell ones mum.
-That cable holder is actually a shelf for a delay and a reverb pedal.
-When I become dictator all eurorack manufacturers must include cardboard foldable thingies/friends for messing up people's clean studios.
-I first thought that game was a joke but this seems like fun. Could be used in a live setting and bring in people from the audience to throw the dices. : )
-Yes to a three moog bundle. I would have liked one with two mothers and a defam.
-Yes not cheap but compared to yourorack it's not really that expensive either, and in this rack it's actually a rather cheap controller for a small spaceship.
-Double + good is that you now got a cat.
Btw: Another blue cat is Dex Starr: "I find one who hurt you. I kill. I good kitty"
villains.fandom.com/wiki/Dex-Starr
I'd like to buy the mixer separately, it's a brilliant unit for all moog semi-modular owners. I hope they would sell the unit separately. Also, wouldn't mind buying the cable rack extension as well!
Hope they sell it as a stand alone, too 🙂
No v
They should sell a box with the mixer, cable holder, and dice for people who already have these racked.
Gotta love being shafted as an early supporter
@@darrenringer9811 Shafted? A bit dramatic. They improved the product. I bet if you reached out to Moog they would sell it to you. Their customer service is amazing.
Gosh, I would love to get one of these sets. I just have to hope they don't discontinue it before I have chance to save up the pennies...
27:18 is my favorite part - when the sounds from the DFAM start spewing out! And then 28:12 when the Mother-32 adds to the chaos lol
A challenge, if you're up for it, is to use the DFAM sequencer to play a bass line. Tuning the knobs (against the M32) is kind of fiddly but it can be done.
I like the concept, but at that price point you can almost buy a Pro 3.
Super review, especially closing thoughts. I'm reminded of the debate about Leica cameras. Is it the camera brand or the photographer that creates great photos? It's actually the combination of both. Thank you!
I thought the dice were going to be so stupid, but they came with sick results
Excellent review & demo... thank you!! When are you going to review the subharmonicon, or even better, the subharmonicon + DFAM?
I don't have a Subharmonicon so it doesn't seem very likely
There should be link to this video in the official manual 👍👍👍
If you bung the DFAM through a quantiser it turns into a highly useable lead or bass synth. Or so I have heard. Don't own a quantiser, so mine is still making drum and/or weird noises.
This looks like too much fun!! I've got to stop watching this right now!!!
If i was throwing some money at at a Moog and this bundle cost £1500 or whatever i think i would get the Matriarch at £17xx ish. So many cool options if your budget is 1.5k. Its a dream time for synths.
either all 3 used (my route) or a Matriarch for sure. I like the interplay between them, and after buying a Matriarch mine would be lonely playing by itself for quite some time before i could grab any patch mates
For what it's worth, I sold my Matriarch but kept the Grandmother… and I love the DFAM so much I just got a second one in the studio bundle with Subharmonion. Having owned most of the instruments I don''t think of any of them as replacing replacing any of the others …deciding which are your faves is a very personal choice… eg I absolutely love my Voyager XL no matter how many people don't and I never cared for the Subsequent no matter how many people rave about it
US pricing warning: If you get a fairly minty set of these (box, instructions, cables etc) you can get each for $500-$550 used (what a beginner should actually do,) and a rack for $60. So about $1060-1160 for a set sold at $1400, making the extras you cant get elsewhere $240-340. Incidentally, this is exactly what I am currently doing.
For what its worth with the pricing of these Moogs; yeah Subharmonicon and DFAM have no competition, but they will because I think the M32 was in a similar position when it first came out, and now it takes up way too much HP for anyone to include it on their Eurorack for it's functions. Aside from obvious branding as value, they cost more because Moog innovates, a lot of others react.
And your choices in synth purchases seem limited to 3 types of choices:
American made heartland tonka tough expensive
Anarcho-cyber-communist open source DIY
Starvation wage community existing just to put together Behringer products
it's up to you to build your personal brand off these choices I guess
Awesome, thanks a lot for sharing. You sold me for that beautiful box. I'm wondering, does the summing mixer can send audio into a DAW/audio interface ?
It has audio coming out of it so of course you can record it into your daw.
The Yellow Thingy looks like a non metallic trimmer tool to me.
Useful bit of kit that both stops you from shorting stuff out while adjusting little potentiometers AND if you need to tune coils it won't cause any magnetic effects to confuse the coils circuit.
Coil confusion is a bastard
I have a whole set of them from my early years in electronics. I find it awesome that more than a few people unboxing their M-32 are like "Wow ! Moog invented a cool thingamabob" lol
@@MoltenMusicTech lol
Enjoyed this. You already have a Mother-32. Did they offer you the Subharmonicon bundle? Mine is arriving tomorrow. Would love your thoughts on the Subharmonicon.
I asked for the Subharmonicon version but this is what arrived
@@MoltenMusicTech Makes sense. Still a great video. Always enjoy your comments. I think it’s a genius way to remarked these great instruments.
Great accent, great review, and great Shirt! where did you get that shirt man its fire! lol
you can get DFAM-ish with a Basimilus IA and a Muxlicer in modular, easily, but I really would like to try an actual DFAM once
unless you're being very chill with it or trying to go full gabber/hardcore it can't be left to its own device as much as the other 2 before it gets boring/too repetitive. It has great sounds and is prime for someone who loves sampling. If you're already in the modular life these units are way too big to justify being on a rack also.
Dice!
We should talk sometime about a modular synth based board game
Just ended up subscribbed to your channel after this video... you made me laugh =)
Yay! Thank you!
So are they going to do a bundle with all 3 and a 3-teir rack? Personally I'd like a bundle with the M32 and Subh. as I have no real interest in a DFAM. Also - individual prices - M32 - $650USD , DFAM - $650USD , Subh. - $700USD , 2 tier rack - $60USD - and the mixer doesn't seem to be available separately.
Some help, please.
The Barrel-to-Barrel Power Distribution Cables that go from the mixer to the synthesizer.
Mine came with a dead cable.
Does anybody know the specs to look for when finding a replacement?
You just need to measure the inside of the barrel and google for one the same size
That’s a great product, but I need that mixer for my Mother-32 and DFAM.
Any mixer will work. Nice that one is included in the kit though.
I think it’s the combination of mixing with the power distribution aspect that is appealing to people
@@MoltenMusicTech Agreed. They should sell those separately.
The closest perc instrument to the dfam might be the volca drum or perhaps the model cycles. Not patchable , tho.
No and pure FM. both great but a different game entirely. you described my entire drum setup in fact!
What's that second yellow tool at about 10:22 (after the screwdriver) - I'm putting together the Subharmonicon version here but there isn't one of those listed on my instructions or in the package… I don't think
It's called a trimmer adjustment tool for adjusting trimmers
Love the Dice Game. I bought my Moogs separately so I didn't get the dice game. Bummer.
LOL.
I bought the Moog Sound Studio and I use the summing mixer to connect to my audio interface (Focusrite Scarlett 2i4), and from there I have the audio interface connected to my PC and my KRK Rokit 5’s respectively, but for some reason, I’m only getting sound from one of the speakers.
Can you please advise if I need to add a mixer to this device chain(?)
Are you only plugging into 1 channel on the Scarlett? If so then in the software app make it a single channel panned to the middle.
@@MoltenMusicTech Hi, Thanks for getting back to me. - Yes, I am only connecting to one In port on the front of the Scarlett. - I have gone into Ableton and tried the 1, 2, and 1/2 channel options respectively, but none of them results in sound coming out of the ‘quiet’ monitor. - I have tried disconnecting from the left side In port on the front of the Scarlett, and connecting into the other In port, and then the sound transfers across to the other speaker that was previously quiet. - Weird. - I don’t understand this stuff. - It’s frustrating, because I just want to get started creating chaos noises.
Ok, so you've established that both channels 1 and 2 on the Scarlett are working and are panned left and right and so setup as a stereo channel. Forget Ableton, make sure that's closed. Now open the Scarlett software mixer - if you don't have one then you havent installed the Scarlett properly and you need to get the software and drivers from Focusrite website. In the Scarlett monitoring software you can choose how your inputs behave. Try looking in there to see if you can monitor your input centrally through both speakers. There's no magic to this, it's trial and error.
It's just a clever way to bundle (clear stock) their semi pro gear - I just got a Sub 25 and it only had a printed manual and no ekstra thingies, lol
You missed out mate
I looked around today and I don't think you can buy the (moog 4 channel summing mixer)...as a single item …could be wrong...did pick up the Moog Sound Studio mother -32 / DFAM...looking to go down the rabbit hole!!……Good Unboxing!!..thanks...re
Yes, I've not seen it for sale seperately
It's called a tweaker, 'cause that's what you do with it. Also 'pan-head' screws refers to the shape of the screw head rather than the drive type.
55:00 The sad thing is that I'll more likely achieve this through my day job in finance than if I switched to make music. Great video as always!
From past experience in pro audio sales that would put you within the 99.5% bracket!
It’s not sad though, you can have fun making music without any pressure 😀
@@leftmono1016True, I shouldn't complain, I'm lucky to have such a stable job - especially in this environment. They say the grass is always greener on the other side!
Hey Robin - Love your reviews and this is the best I've seen of this bundle. Thought you were getting a bit carried away by the Moog marketing machine towards the end :-) - aspirational! - but you did come back down to earth. Moog is certainly a premium brand and you buy into it like phone users buy Apple. In other words, in my own opinion only, it is slightly over-priced. I have a Grandmother and a DFAM and love them both , having said that, I do like Moog gear. With my cynical hat on, it looks like they have too many DFAMs and are trying to move them. why not a Mother 32/Subharmonicon bundle? (I had a Subharmonicon but was, alas, disappointed and sent it back.) Did you not, in an earlier video suggest that you might be getting rid of your Mother 32? Anyway, it's an 'interesting' bundle but forr the price there are many, many alternative propositions. Keep up the great videos and reviews.
I have to kind of agree with you, I have an M-32 and a Crave. I am thinking of selling off the Moog because the Crave is a darn good clone of it at less than half the price.
@@DBCisco Hey DB - Exactly. I was looking at semi-modulars and eventually bought a Grandmother. Not sure if a M32 or Crave would be superfluous now, but there are many similar synths out there for the same price or less. But just not Moog :-)
@@IanWaugh Agree, I have a mess of synths.
I’m so tempted to sell all my current equipment to raise the funds for the sound studio 2.
I love the DFAM,but what would you say is pros and cons between the Subharmonicon and the Mother 32
If you want mysterious go for the Subharmonicon, if you want familiar go with the Mother 32
Would you recommend the DFAM and mother combination or the DFAM and Subharmonicon combo?
Personally I’d go for m32 and Sub - I’m not a fan of the dfam 😁
Moog cashing in on prestige ... I bought crave and edge for a lot less :)
the think that you don't know what to do is your Mother 32 tuner you must put it is your VCO 1 and follow the instruction on pag. 61 on your Mother 21 manual.
This is amazing!! Wish I had the funds for this. Sadly, totally out of my reach. 😞
Such nonsense, there’s always things you can give up or sell. You don’t need food to look this cool.
@@MoltenMusicTech We all have two kidneys, and one is spare, sell it, get a moog
Sweetwater lets you pay over 36 months so… if you really want it, thats your gateway. No excuses.
@@MoltenMusicTech this made me chuckle. I've since sold a kidney and signed up for any medical testing that pays out money.
I’d like to see you muck about with the matriarch or grandmother haha connect it to all you eurorack stuff
So would I :D
god, Moog really know where it's at!
I find myself wishing I had put the money away for this rather than the OP-1. Not that I don't love the OP-1, but I think for a similar price I would be entertained for a much longer period of time exploring this.
Does it also come with beard oil in that box?
The packaging actually breaks down into tea tree oil and cocoa butter
👍🏼🙂
Dr. Emmet Brown Style Hair Transformation at 54:02
Note to self: "Unnecessarily groovy"
You should isolate the mic from your desk.. oww my speakers!