Is It Rational to Believe in God? | Fr. Gregory Pine, O.P.
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- Father talks about how we know things and ways we come to beliefs. He does this to show that Faith is rational and reasonable.
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Great video! ❤
When I felt the pull of Jesus calling me back to the Church, a number of years ago, I approached it with my reason. Being an analytical person, I never trust feelings alone. I was thrilled to learn the history of the Church, and the great thinkers, such as Aquinas.
If I knew as a teen all I know now, I never would have strayed. ❤
Same here! I'll say a rosary for you.
@@brianw.5230 Thank you 🙏
Thank you Father Pine for this explanation. It is very helpful and informative, and clear (at least clear to me, a cradle catholic whos still practicing).
Im disappointed that I missed Father Pine in Berkeley 😢
I may need to re watch this one a couple times😂
St. Thomas Aquinas had 5 proofs for the existence of God.
Two I like:
1. The unmoved mover.
2. The procession of the sun across the sky from south to north according to the seasons.
Logical, rational, George Jetson simple arguments for God's existence.
Request for irrefutable evidence of a 'real' outlier: The messianic concept was broad before (4,000-8,000 BC), during (multiple names & cultures, includes known historic miracle workers) and after (multiple names & cultures). Currently a particular group brags about fat.a|ity of their own k;ds to engineer the coming. Ironically the wording & currency in the bragging is the same used by the Canaanites 2500 BC & their derivatives.
In order for a prophet to be true, then you must judge him by his prophecies?
P1: Love is real
P2: Love is greater than, and not subject to, any purely human power or authority
P3: God is Love
C: Ergo, God is real
Rational enough for ya?
The existence of a component of something doesn’t inherently indicate that the whole thing exists.
Evil is real
Evil is greater than, and not subject to, any human power or authority
Dracula is evil
Therefore, Dracula is real.
In the instance you argue that God is His characteristics, He is the fullness and completeness of everything good; being infinite, every component of Him is infinite, as such the existence of His characteristics proves His existence. Dracula, being finite, just has a portion of evil and therefore by the existence of evil you can’t assume he exists. Except in a strictly rational sense there is no reason to assume Dracula cannot possess the fullness of evil. Satan is not God yet possesses the fullness of evil.
I think that you’re equivocating on terms.
I don't think "God is love" is going to be taken as a given by anybody who is not already convinced of that fact. They might agree to that as an alternate definition, but that doesn't prove God the way God is actually defined.
Circular reasoning 101. Ypure assuming you can differentiate divine versus normal testimony only because god says so or enables it. But you cannot know god except by divine testimony. So there is no way to know god other than by presupposing he exists and gives these abilities. I hope the problem is obvious.
But it's rational and in fact compelling to believe God exists because there's no other rational explanation for existence than for the only possible non-contingent being to exist and to have created all contingent things.
@anglaismoyen It's a testament to the insanity of Christianity that I can't tell if you're sarcastic or not lol
…what? God can only reveal himself by revealing himself? And that’s circular reasoning?
Dude, there’s better arguments out there, don’t pick low hanging fruit.
@thelonelysponge5029 I'm responding to this video, which uses the argument I pointed out. I also think it's why most people ultimately believe in God. They have a feeling it is true. In that sense, I think the video is being quite honest. It's just unfortunate he claims we are justified by circular reasoning.
@@WaterCat5He’s trying to dumb it down into a 17 min video. What do u expect? Fr Pine is wayyy smarter than any of us and could def defend this in a lot more detail. God exists. Cope
Faith is simply the willingness to believe wholly independent of reasons. Thus, it is a-rational, going far beyond what reasons can support. Hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? You preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a scandal and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are "saved" the power and wisdom of God. Become a fool for Christ.
Im not sure it is or can be wholly independent of reasons. Where are you getting that definition from?
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Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe
God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. Your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Now faith means believing what you do not yet see, and the reward of this faith is to see what you believe. Understanding is the reward of faith. Therefore seek not to understand that you may believe, but believe that you may understand. -Augustine
Faith is for children, the uneducated, the foolish.
Not sure were you obtained the definition of faith as "Willingness to believe without reasons". In fact, 1Pe3;15 seems to imply having faith without reason it's not what Christians believe, as it's encouraged that you provide reasons for your belief.
About the passage you provided. The conclussion it's not that "we should reject wisdom altogether, but that this world a lot of times preaches false wisdom, and we should reject it". But as long as your search for wisdom and knowledge is grounded in the fear of God (As the book of wisdom says), you can continue providing reasons and logic. Nothing wrong with that in principle.
Did you just call yourself irrational?
Faith is actually the belief based on reason. Frank Turek has a pretty good quote on it along the lines of “I’m 98.7% sure that God exists, and faith covers that last 1.3%”.