I love these isolated drum tracks just to hear the level of detail and clarity in the performance.. This is especially true with a drummer like Neil Peart (and there is only one drummer like Neil Peart). It's also lots of fun because I know this song so well that I can hear the rest of the music in my head right along with it.
When you hear Neil Peart play without the distortions of the music you can really hear how his drum track - particularly his ride pattern - swings. He stays in the pocket the entire time.
Hearing this isolated brings out some nuances that (evidently) got lost in the mixing process. In particular some of the quick bass drum hits (I used to play my Tama drum set to this album ENDLESSLY, and I I knew all the parts inside and out.). I mean, you compare the album mix on this cut, to some (for example) Led Zeppelin mixes where Bonham's bass drum is clearly front and center, and I feel like Neil here got hosed, kind of. Too bad really, because with a different mix I feel like Neil would have received even MORE attention than he did to start with. An interesting situation for sure.
I know EXACTLY what you mean about thinking you knew the parts. For me, seeing him play it on "Taking Center Stage" is where I finally heard (and saw!) some of those nuances. The amount of detail Peart packed into his parts is astonishing.
Unfortunately the master tapes to PERMANENT WAVES were left at the studio and lost to history. What a shame because imagine how awesome it would be to listen to all those isolated parts and use them as backing tracks! Not with standing, I'm really curious about this as well so I use the stopwatch to time from the initial CIMB crash to the final one at the end On this track as well as the exit stage left track which is what has been online for years since the studio tapes are not available and this one is four seconds shorter than exit stage left and within one second of the studio version. With that said it might be one of the new tracks being isolated with AI that have been popping up on TH-cam and that would explain why it does not include the xylophone as does the exit stage left version. This is my speculation.
This had to be "reverse engineered" via software from the final mix. The original multitracks were destroyed in the fire of the vault in LA used by Universal Music Group and its labels. Hundreds of thousands of other tapes from artists as far back as the 1950s were lost. Sadly, there will never be any chance for a true remix / re-master of Permanent Waves. Truly one of the biggest losses in the history of recorded music.
The PERMANENT WAVES master tapes were not lost in that fire they were left at the studio as was the practice back then because they had no idea how big the band would become and they were lost to history and ended up in a landfill somewhere. This is what Geddy has said except I added the landfill part because that's the logical conclusion. However I do agree with the first part of your comment about reverse engineering because for years all we could get was the exit stage left version and this certainly does not sound like that version unless it was somehow edited and cleaned up really really well.
Last night I used a stopwatch to time the drum part from this track, the studio track, and the exit stage left version which has been available online for years. The exit stage left version is four seconds longer than this one and the studio version which are pretty much exactly the same. The exit stage left version also includes the xylophone which is missing here. That leads me to believe that it could be an AI generated isolation as we have seen popping up lately on TH-cam and that would also explain why you can hear some of the crowd cheering during the "concert hall" segment it's somehow was not blocked completely. Regardless of the source I'm sure glad this stuff is available to be used as backing tracks for guitarists!!!
@@MAXIMUSMINIMALIST Agreed. It's an AI-based filter. It likely has trouble masking the simulated "crowd noise" because any crowd noise has a "white noise" portion with energy above 8kHz that is indistinguishable from cymbal / hi-hat frequencies that have to be passed when isolating a drum track.
Yes, this was "reverse engineered" by my son using some advanced AI filters. It's definitely not perfect, but this was the first time I've been able to hear the isolated drum part from "Permanent Waves."
I love these isolated drum tracks just to hear the level of detail and clarity in the performance.. This is especially true with a drummer like Neil Peart (and there is only one drummer like Neil Peart). It's also lots of fun because I know this song so well that I can hear the rest of the music in my head right along with it.
When you hear Neil Peart play without the distortions of the music you can really hear how his drum track - particularly his ride pattern - swings. He stays in the pocket the entire time.
He is the pocket.
Jesus it's x10 scarier isolated!
Do a search for some of the tracks offered MOVING PICTURES they are taken directly from the studio tapes and you're really hear scary!!!
This is Great!! Thank you for doing this!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fucking GOAT!
Hearing this isolated brings out some nuances that (evidently) got lost in the mixing process. In particular some of the quick bass drum hits (I used to play my Tama drum set to this album ENDLESSLY, and I I knew all the parts inside and out.). I mean, you compare the album mix on this cut, to some (for example) Led Zeppelin mixes where Bonham's bass drum is clearly front and center, and I feel like Neil here got hosed, kind of. Too bad really, because with a different mix I feel like Neil would have received even MORE attention than he did to start with. An interesting situation for sure.
I know EXACTLY what you mean about thinking you knew the parts. For me, seeing him play it on "Taking Center Stage" is where I finally heard (and saw!) some of those nuances. The amount of detail Peart packed into his parts is astonishing.
Is this off of the unmastered multitracks?
Unfortunately the master tapes to PERMANENT WAVES were left at the studio and lost to history. What a shame because imagine how awesome it would be to listen to all those isolated parts and use them as backing tracks! Not with standing, I'm really curious about this as well so I use the stopwatch to time from the initial CIMB crash to the final one at the end On this track as well as the exit stage left track which is what has been online for years since the studio tapes are not available and this one is four seconds shorter than exit stage left and within one second of the studio version. With that said it might be one of the new tracks being isolated with AI that have been popping up on TH-cam and that would explain why it does not include the xylophone as does the exit stage left version. This is my speculation.
This had to be "reverse engineered" via software from the final mix. The original multitracks were destroyed in the fire of the vault in LA used by Universal Music Group and its labels. Hundreds of thousands of other tapes from artists as far back as the 1950s were lost. Sadly, there will never be any chance for a true remix / re-master of Permanent Waves. Truly one of the biggest losses in the history of recorded music.
Bastards
The PERMANENT WAVES master tapes were not lost in that fire they were left at the studio as was the practice back then because they had no idea how big the band would become and they were lost to history and ended up in a landfill somewhere. This is what Geddy has said except I added the landfill part because that's the logical conclusion. However I do agree with the first part of your comment about reverse engineering because for years all we could get was the exit stage left version and this certainly does not sound like that version unless it was somehow edited and cleaned up really really well.
Last night I used a stopwatch to time the drum part from this track, the studio track, and the exit stage left version which has been available online for years. The exit stage left version is four seconds longer than this one and the studio version which are pretty much exactly the same. The exit stage left version also includes the xylophone which is missing here. That leads me to believe that it could be an AI generated isolation as we have seen popping up lately on TH-cam and that would also explain why you can hear some of the crowd cheering during the "concert hall" segment it's somehow was not blocked completely. Regardless of the source I'm sure glad this stuff is available to be used as backing tracks for guitarists!!!
@@MAXIMUSMINIMALIST Agreed. It's an AI-based filter. It likely has trouble masking the simulated "crowd noise" because any crowd noise has a "white noise" portion with energy above 8kHz that is indistinguishable from cymbal / hi-hat frequencies that have to be passed when isolating a drum track.
Yes, this was "reverse engineered" by my son using some advanced AI filters. It's definitely not perfect, but this was the first time I've been able to hear the isolated drum part from "Permanent Waves."